Liquidmania Qualifier #1

On December 19 2016 10:44 Holyflare wrote:



Thanks man, that's really kind of you.

Expect me to actually try hard this game because I want that title back and I have the holidays off!

On December 19 2016 18:04 Holyflare wrote:


Lol I didn't do any filter diving or anything at all last game, was extremely busy.

On December 19 2016 15:27 Alakaslam wrote:
Wow, last post was 4 hrs ago.

Anyway,

I'm back. For a short bit. Was I missed?

On December 20 2016 00:11 sicklucker wrote:
killing unreadable or possibly useless players or sometimes a combination of the both. ~~

On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:


Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive?

On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:


My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote.

On December 20 2016 00:26 Kmatt wrote:


Which is to say he's acting like town.

On December 20 2016 00:34 Kmatt wrote:


I said town-like, not necessarily town. Since town's interest lies in getting correct lynches, having you around (as I read him) means that sooner or later you're going to say/do something stupid to get people to think you're scum and get lynched. A lynch that could have gone to someone more red. By being night killed it solves that problem ahead of time.

From my time in a scum chat I couldn't see them taking you out anyway assuming you are town. So it's harmless banter.

On December 20 2016 00:48 Kmatt wrote:


It would be weird for scum to do what SL says yes, but he's effectively asking them nicely to make our jobs easy. Scum wants to kill the good townies. He's suggesting they "waste" a shot on you instead.

On December 20 2016 01:31 Koshi wrote:

Everybody is potential mafia. I trust nobody. Yet, I am willing to work with people to flush out the mafias.

At this point I cannot lynch based on content and am limited to lynch on activity.

On December 20 2016 01:50 Holyflare wrote:


You've really improved. I think kmatt's points on sicklucker were a bit of a weird leap to make and there's a bit too much explanation of sl being town. It just seemed weird in general tbh. Then after nothing he just voted exo based on exo's little bit of a comment and I found that more weird. Pretty sure the dude is new and that's just a bit of a too aggressive leap for someone trying to figure things out. I'd maybe expect that from a vet instead.

##unvote
##vote kmatt

Fwiw I still think a vote on disformation is excellent. He just returned and didn't weigh into much and then did a mini bad summary.

2 mafia down, easy game. It's nice to be good again.

On December 20 2016 02:50 ExO_ wrote:


If I'm scum you caught me what exactly?

This is how I play. The first few times I played on TL I tried to think really carefully about posts before I said anything, and It didn't go so well. Since then I basically play stream-of-consciousness style.

Look at my most recent games, particularly touhou mafia where as VT I'm lynched day 1. Then compare that to dota mafia where I'm scum, and tell me I'm playing the same way.

On December 21 2016 05:59 sicklucker wrote:


feel better!

On December 21 2016 06:03 sicklucker wrote:


just vote me bra

On December 21 2016 06:09 ExO_ wrote:


Why are you so sure I'm town, when everyone else thinks I'm scum?

On December 21 2016 06:13 disformation wrote:
@LS did you read my posts on that regarding the meta stuff?

On December 21 2016 06:13 ExO_ wrote:


The other possibility is that you are scum, know I'm town, and are trying to get town cred for the future

On December 21 2016 06:17 ExO_ wrote:


I'm highly skeptical. How is it you almost immediately believed me, when everyone else is convinced I'm the mafia boogie man? Either you really are the meta king, or you are scum.

I find it more likely that you are scum, which is ironic because you're the only person who believes I'm town right now

On December 21 2016 06:20 sicklucker wrote:
someone name a good movie

On December 21 2016 06:33 Holyflare wrote:
Ls give me a quick summar of what you saw in exo's town games and why you haven't proposed a new lynch target.

On December 21 2016 06:43 Holyflare wrote:


Tell me what games you read.

On December 21 2016 06:56 Koshi wrote:
Maybe we lynch the Slamfish?

On December 21 2016 07:10 Koshi wrote:
@LighteningStrike

If you want to help me here? I go to bed soonish and the time to make a play to save ExO is now.

On December 21 2016 07:20 disformation wrote:
Though the last time I followed HF in a very late shennies, that didnt work out well.

On December 21 2016 07:21 Koshi wrote:

LS give me your top 4 names that could be mafia please.

On December 21 2016 07:25 Koshi wrote:

I think Rels is more likely mafia than sicklucker. Maybe.

On December 21 2016 07:31 Koshi wrote:

For example when he was defending disinformation with a completely retarded reason which on top of that was incorrect because he didn't read carefully enough.

Problem is I think the entity rels/sicklucker is more likely both town than both mafia. But 1 mafia/1 retarded seems more likely.

On December 21 2016 07:30 disformation wrote:

I think I actually remember having DYH scumread for meta in obs as well that game...

I dunno.
Do we have 2 more ppl to switch?

On December 21 2016 08:08 Rels wrote:
And whoever else is around (LS / Kmatt ?) ?

On December 22 2016 04:12 Koshi wrote:

Rels is going to go ham.

On December 22 2016 04:29 Holyflare wrote:
Hm.

Why were you pissed that slam who you think is towny wasn't lynched ls?

On December 22 2016 04:34 Holyflare wrote:


He typod. He meant he's going to get ham from the supermarket.

On December 22 2016 21:42 disformation wrote:

Why did LS want to lynch slam together with Koshi and not Kmatt with HF then EoD? Like yes he thought Slam was the betterest lynch, but he was super hard defending ExO_... so if slam wasnt happening, wouldnt try to get 5 on kmatt instead make sense?
He even has Kmatt in his PoE?


Oh. He disappeared like 2h - 2h30 b4 deadline and returns shortly after:

Though that is quite a convenient post to make for scum too...

Still he missed HF suggesting:

by 15 mins...

*sigh*
yeah I dunno I just want to see kmatt and LS come back and post a bunch. -.-

On December 23 2016 00:35 disformation wrote:

Yes, that post is still convenient for scum.
Yes, you are right my meta was bad.
Who is scum?

On December 23 2016 00:39 Koshi wrote:
It's Rels and LS.

On December 23 2016 00:43 Koshi wrote:

There is nothing that connects you 2 except that you are both mafia.

On December 23 2016 00:51 Koshi wrote:

Why haven't you bothered to find mafia this game LS? I thought you wanted to help me make town great again? You have done nothing. Even your D1 vote Slam just happened because I on that moment wanted to lynch Slam, if I wanted to lynch anybody else you would have went with that probably.

Where is your scumhunting? Where is your read progression?

Even on ExO. There is no progression. It is just you using meta and sticking to that.

On December 23 2016 00:52 Koshi wrote:

Is he your partner?

On December 23 2016 00:56 Holyflare wrote:
LS is behaving extremely weird.

On December 23 2016 00:58 Holyflare wrote:
Why should kmatt be definitely mafia?

Are you ignoring his dumb tells of not knowing how many mafia there are? or how he's not allowed to post at night? or setups?

On December 23 2016 01:03 Koshi wrote:

Again. Another read with 0 fucking progression. You are skipping the road to gathering reads LS.
Try to work on that next time you roll mafia.

Every read you have is from nothing to a definitive read. As town you actually try to figure out stuff on your own. You are not doing that.

On December 23 2016 01:07 Holyflare wrote:


So even though I "mind melded" with you and pushed the person non-stop who you think is definitely mafia and you agree with on a lot of things, I'm the potential mafia instead of somebody else? slam/disformation/rels??

On December 23 2016 23:49 Koshi wrote:

I want to lynch you. Why are you ignoring me and my cases on you?

On December 23 2016 23:57 Koshi wrote:
Like... I just want you to play the game. And not do this babyrage angry thing you are pulling off.

1) I started making cases on you during the night. Why did you ignore it while you were fully caught up and posting about the game.


2) Why are you trying to discredit my Rels/LS scumbuddy theory based on the trueness of the full theory?

You are not even trying to convince me you are not mafia, you are just telling me that you and Rels are not mafia together and that I am crazy... Why? Why can't you just play the game and explain to me why you are not mafia and why Rels is not mafia or w.e. Why do you have to be so final again?

3) How you entered the thread this time. Why can't you comment on any of the cases I made on Rels/LS/SL/Kmatt? Why vote yourself? Why not just fucking proof you are not mafia and the mafia is within Rels/Kmatt/SL?

On December 24 2016 00:17 Koshi wrote:

I am slowly losing my soul.

On December 24 2016 00:43 Holyflare wrote:
LS isn't your whole thing recently about how you changed your meta to rage when you didn't before? Why would voting yourself be any different now you've evolved?

On December 24 2016 00:51 sicklucker wrote:
but ls actions are kind of overblown and uncalled for. Maybe hoping for a hailmarry but hes probably just faking it doomed knows he cant win and



or hes being terribly selfish and pitiful and I want to lynch him even more

On December 24 2016 00:52 sicklucker wrote:
One must spark lightning out of their scum partner

On December 24 2016 01:22 Holyflare wrote:


try hard how? you're not defending yourself so what is there to try against?

On December 24 2016 01:52 Koshi wrote:
LS. Could you please post some freaking analysis on why we should lynch sicklucker? Like... Why are you not doing that this game. I do not understand why you ended up on sicklucker.

On December 24 2016 01:20 disformation wrote:
rant over. will be back for 1-2h after dinner.
i hope to see actual content and no hissy fits or whine bs when i come back.

On December 24 2016 01:58 Koshi wrote:

Sure. np.

Can you just show us some analysis and thought progression in your reads? This game you always were absolute in every read. You decided ExO was town on meta and you just ran with that, you never stood open for anything, you were superabsolute about your read. You never found mafia during D1, you just hopped with me on Slam.

During N1 you ignored me. Why?

During D2 you have been hostile towards the thread and you have not yet tried to figure out the game on your own. I can understand it sucks to be tired and sick but now is the time to shine.


20% is defending yourself.
80% is now finding a good lynch.


Have you read my analysis on Rels/Kmatt and sicklucker? What do you think?

On December 23 2016 01:01 Koshi wrote:

I have already explained it but I will repeat because I have said a lot of random things already as well:

- Rels is mafia because he is more likely pushing a mafia agenda over a town agenda. As you can see, he is pushing disformation for a while now, and his latest case (albeit it not being bad, but mafia can make an ok case from time to time) is a great example of how a mafia is solely able to focus on 1 thing to both look town and further the mafia agenda.

Rels is missing key ingredients in his play that make him town, this is a bit harder to explain but a townie most of the time is able to discuss multiple things at the same time and can freely discuss his reads and ideas over a game. Rels has not yet shown this. He isn't playing bad as mafia but he is not able to really look town.

The best thing is his waffle on Disformation D1, how he townread him but not really, how hard he sold his towncase while it was pretty bad and just based on 1 thing that was even incorrect. But then when he saw the opportunity to call disformation mafia he took it and is simply not letting go anymore.

I can give more reasoning over why he is more likely mafia over town. But I am pretty sure we are reaching a point in which he is not town anymore. For example during the night. Him calling me mafia in case he died so dramatically showed that he had 0 feeling with what was really happening in this game. As town, he would never feel that, that was super unnatural.

On December 24 2016 02:06 Koshi wrote:
And can you look really deep in your soul and tell me why you really raged earlier?

On December 24 2016 02:14 Holyflare wrote:
Ls why do you think kmatt is still definitely mafia after he's dumb telled twice?

On December 24 2016 02:00 Koshi wrote:
LS do you have any reasons to think HF being mafia? And not meta wise. Just from this thread.

On December 24 2016 02:17 Koshi wrote:

No I haven't typed anything about sl.

On December 24 2016 01:59 Koshi wrote:

about 2.

From what I remember sl plays as mafia only when it benefits him. So him starting to play now and not when Kmatt is up for lynch shows town is getting closer.

On December 24 2016 02:20 Koshi wrote:

But why? There is still no proof in this thread except PoE and gut feelings.

On December 23 2016 10:42 sicklucker wrote:


he woundlt be koshi if he was not terrible tunneling some town. usually its me feels bad man

On December 24 2016 00:36 sicklucker wrote:


someones paranoid about me being mafia

On December 24 2016 02:24 Koshi wrote:
You realize you are saying that you are his teammate right?

On December 24 2016 02:23 Holyflare wrote:
But ls his dumb tell was that there was 3 mafia and his list at the start of the game had 3 mafia. You think that's faked? He made a whole game fake dumb tell?

On December 24 2016 02:38 Holyflare wrote:
Where the fuck has kmatt gone btw? Amd I think sl has the same activity amount lynching ls as he does kmatt. Soooo that read isn't good.

On December 24 2016 02:34 Koshi wrote:
I don't know atm.
The problem is. I don't think there is anything you can do to make me change my read.

Due to SL his silly buddy attempt on Rels I don't think they are a team anymore.

On December 24 2016 03:02 disformation wrote:
well this game is not a very case heavy game in general. so if he is fishing for cases to sheep or rephrase hell have no luck.

On December 24 2016 03:06 Holyflare wrote:
I don't want to lynch sl and I don't think kmatt is mafia where his team mate told him to invent a 3 mafia setup in a 9 player game because then his team mate is fucking retatded.

On December 24 2016 01:55 LightningStrike wrote:

Well it's because no one wants Kmatt so I rather go to my 2nd scum which is sicklucker. The reason sicklucker is scum because
1. He didn't try hard at all even during the night which he normally starts tryharding as town.
2. The fact that he still haven't by this point tryharded and no really doing anything fits his scum where if he thinks one of his teammates are in trouble he stops which point when I was up for lynch he decided then to start posting. You saw this in Cell Millionaire and in our last game together Koshi.

On December 24 2016 03:10 Holyflare wrote:


I think your meta reasons are terrible. Show me games to back up your meta reasons.

Also kmatt is not mafia so tell me who the other mafia is?

On December 24 2016 08:07 Koshi wrote:

I listened with open ears. But I didn't read any reason why I had to lynch sl except something meta like but I don't fully agree with it.

On December 24 2016 08:09 Koshi wrote:

Well. There have been mafia in the past that defended even better than you did here. I don't know man.. 2 days into the game and I haven't seen you made posts that shows you are critically thinking about the game and furthering your reads step by step by information gathered in the thread. I think you are almost the only one.

On December 24 2016 08:11 Koshi wrote:
Just make a list with all remaining players and your honoest opinion. You might get a lot of points for the championship thingie anyway.

I gtg.

On December 24 2016 08:15 sicklucker wrote:


thats ok because im town in the case your acualy town dipshit

On December 24 2016 08:46 Holyflare wrote:
There's 1 thing you had to do to not get lynched and that was call kmatt town based on his slip and give an alternative to kmatt THAT WASN'T ME FOR NO REASONS.

On December 24 2016 08:48 sicklucker wrote:


haha promise?

On December 24 2016 09:21 Holyflare wrote:
why would you wait till every european in this game are asleep and the lynch can't change?

On December 24 2016 09:23 Holyflare wrote:
If there are two mafia in this game and you give 2 names then if one of them is town you have 1 mafia so therefore that's not an alternative that's just a second mafia

On December 24 2016 09:53 Holyflare wrote:
you're not tho

On December 24 2016 10:08 Koshi wrote:

Damn. First possible townie thing I saw. Are you so mad everybody is scum?
Meh.

On December 24 2016 10:10 Holyflare wrote:
so we no lynch and just trade

On December 24 2016 10:16 Holyflare wrote:
Do you think you deserve to survive after berating my personal life and non game relevant information?

On December 24 2016 10:18 Holyflare wrote:
50% of ls's reads are "if this guy is alive he's mafia"

On December 28 2016 10:37 Koshi wrote:

I knew it
I was laughing hard as well.

On December 28 2016 10:42 sicklucker wrote:


good snipe! no one has figured that out before on me. Gotta stick with your guns next time it does not always have to be the same meta nk

On December 28 2016 10:48 Koshi wrote:

Yeah but I totally disagreed with the fact LS scumclaimed with that. Like if he was the real doc he could easily say the same things. It wasn't a scumclaim.