EPT[M][N] I'm a cop you idiot mafia --- the reboot
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 k well I either want to lynch TW or no-lynch today. | ||
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On December 08 2016 03:46 cakepie wrote: Like wtf H1, at least try. Maybe we've exhausted the available material on TW, but tell me something about NU or ExO or CRay. ExO has maintained that the cop should claim. I dont particularly agree, I'd rather tempt fate on a no-lynch and have the cop end-of-night phase post their N0 check, with the possibility of getting a N1 check as well. Besides that, ExO is doing a poor job of actually reading the thread, and I'm not sure where that falls on the scummy/stupid scale so I dont want to pursue a lynch there. I like CR's posts, his suspicions, questions, justifications for everything are well reasoned and show appropriate suspicion. I do not like NU's overly defensive tone following the daypost when CR accused TW/NU of hiding behind poorly reasoned math. + Show Spoiler [#86] + On December 07 2016 10:01 NeverUnlucky wrote: I find it opportunistic that you call me and tw out on our lack of assumptions now that the medic was shanked rather than when we were actually discussing it ie I doubt that you would be reproaching us this if it was a VT that flipped today. Also, I dislike that you are entering the day with two targets you'd like to see lynched, especially since pretty much nothing happened N0, so I don't understand how you're ready to see myself or tw lynched already. Also, I don't think your justification to scum-read either of us is worthy of calling us lynch targets. Especially the 2nd paragraph in the above spoiler, it reads to me as less about NU being one of the targets and more about CR having more than one target, when they're being accused with same reasoning. Why would CR be inclined to single someone out in this scenario? To me, there's no reason for it and NU's post comes off as contrived to me. As you said, most of the TW material has been covered so I'll skip over it. Also, I think you're town. My vote preferences are: 1-No-Lynch 2-TW 3-NU 4-ExO 5-CR 6-cake 7-me | ||
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On December 08 2016 04:26 cakepie wrote: You've given me some insight into something that was of interest to me. Thanks. But would you agree that it doesn't quite pass muster for both scum NU+TW to come out and try to dictate plan to town? Is this for #107 + #110 or is there something else that makes you say this? Re: CR - I wouldn't dismiss the notion out of hand, but its not high on my gutcheck rating. Being able to come out on blue-planning is a really safe way for mafia to seem invested without actually doing anything. That is only compounded by the fact that our doc got shot first, rendering a huge portion of N0 reasoning useless for the purposes of planning. CR is at least trying to use those posts to get reads. Re: ExO - There are those two posts, and then there is him somehow thinking there are 50+ pages [#96. #97]. That might have been sarcasm? I'm not seeing a motive for him to do this as either faction other than straight up carelessness, its more of an annoyance than a scumread atm. | ||
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On December 09 2016 01:27 Tumblewood wrote: fair point, except the part where it's disingenuous. you're taking one persons meta and applying it to another person. Thats fucking ludicrous. I'm <-> this close to just putting a vote on you to see if scum mylo victory, but I wont. ##vote: No Lynch My previous list stands. | ||
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On December 09 2016 02:02 Tumblewood wrote: well I'm never going to convince you that you're scum. but understand that I am doing the best job I can finding scum using logic I consider to be good. TW, you think cakepie is scum? What the fucking fuck? Please respond to this with either "I think cakepie is scum" or "I do not think cakepie is scum". Thank you for your cooperation, Tumblewood. On December 09 2016 02:40 NeverUnlucky wrote: I went over H1's filter. He has two posts of substance being 124 and 126. 124: + Show Spoiler + On December 08 2016 04:04 Hopeless1der wrote: ExO has maintained that the cop should claim. I dont particularly agree, I'd rather tempt fate on a no-lynch and have the cop end-of-night phase post their N0 check, with the possibility of getting a N1 check as well. Besides that, ExO is doing a poor job of actually reading the thread, and I'm not sure where that falls on the scummy/stupid scale so I dont want to pursue a lynch there. I like CR's posts, his suspicions, questions, justifications for everything are well reasoned and show appropriate suspicion. I do not like NU's overly defensive tone following the daypost when CR accused TW/NU of hiding behind poorly reasoned math. + Show Spoiler [#86] + On December 07 2016 10:01 NeverUnlucky wrote: I find it opportunistic that you call me and tw out on our lack of assumptions now that the medic was shanked rather than when we were actually discussing it ie I doubt that you would be reproaching us this if it was a VT that flipped today. Also, I dislike that you are entering the day with two targets you'd like to see lynched, especially since pretty much nothing happened N0, so I don't understand how you're ready to see myself or tw lynched already. Also, I don't think your justification to scum-read either of us is worthy of calling us lynch targets. Especially the 2nd paragraph in the above spoiler, it reads to me as less about NU being one of the targets and more about CR having more than one target, when they're being accused with same reasoning. Why would CR be inclined to single someone out in this scenario? To me, there's no reason for it and NU's post comes off as contrived to me. As you said, most of the TW material has been covered so I'll skip over it. Also, I think you're town. My vote preferences are: 1-No-Lynch 2-TW 3-NU 4-ExO 5-CR 6-cake 7-me -His ExO read is wishy-washy. -I disagree with his CR read, but at least he is consistent with it in 126 + Show Spoiler + On December 08 2016 04:41 Hopeless1der wrote: Re: CR - I wouldn't dismiss the notion out of hand, but its not high on my gutcheck rating. Being able to come out on blue-planning is a really safe way for mafia to seem invested without actually doing anything. That is only compounded by the fact that our doc got shot first, rendering a huge portion of N0 reasoning useless for the purposes of planning. CR is at least trying to use those posts to get reads. Re: ExO - There are those two posts, and then there is him somehow thinking there are 50+ pages [#96. #97]. That might have been sarcasm? I'm not seeing a motive for him to do this as either faction other than straight up carelessness, its more of an annoyance than a scumread atm. -His paragraph on me states that my tone is defensive, but when I read the post he quoted, I have the opposite impression of the post. It reads as aggressive as I'm the one who's attacking CR. He even acknowledges that in his following paragraph, so I think he's being inconsistent here. Also, clarification @hopeless: I was not calling out Ray for having more than one target; I was calling him out for ENTERING the day with targets in mind ie it feels fabricated to start a day with an idea of who to push. -Lazy sheeping of cake's tw read. My take: Null? I disagree with him on points, and he seems lazy on some other points, but I can't find anything objectively scummy in his filter. Hopeless: What is your updated read on CR, myself and Exo? All three of you are in that -null- zone. TW is *still* my priority lynch if a gun was held to my head. CR and ExO havent given much, you've given some to make me think you're not as scummy in general, especially compared to TW. | ||
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On December 09 2016 03:20 NeverUnlucky wrote: Yes. Also, I noticed that in his last post he wrote: "My previous list stands" I find it hard to believe that his stance on CRay, ExO and me haven't changed since, especially since I think that his reads weren't strong at the time. My reads on the listed werent strong to begin with and they still arent, my strong reads are TW and cake. | ||
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On December 09 2016 03:15 cakepie wrote: Did H1 just vote and bugger off? Meh. At the very least, I voted to No-Lynch, rather than give the remotest possibility that scum would be able to win right now. Now the wifom becomes: would i call attention to this if i was scum? | ||
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On December 09 2016 04:07 cakepie wrote: Yet not enough to elevate NU above CR & Exo? stop asking me real questions..Fine my previous list was wrong. TW-ExO-CR-NU-cake-me | ||
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On December 09 2016 04:33 Tumblewood wrote: ray, accusing someone of distancing is not an argument for them being scum. also, being concerned with one's perception is a pretty weak tell, because both town and scum do it + Show Spoiler + turns out no one likes being lynched Incredibly subjective not an argument for them being scum Pick one and proceed. | ||
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[quote][QUOTE]On December 09 2016 04:01 Hopeless1der wrote: [QUOTE]On December 09 2016 02:02 Tumblewood wrote: well I'm never going to convince you that you're scum. but understand that I am doing the best job I can finding scum using logic I consider to be good.[/QUOTE] TW, you think cakepie is scum? What the fucking fuck? Please respond to this with either "I think cakepie is scum" or "I do not think cakepie is scum". Thank you for your cooperation, Tumblewood. [/quote] | ||
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also On December 09 2016 04:01 Hopeless1der wrote: TW, you think cakepie is scum? What the fucking fuck? Please respond to this with either "I think cakepie is scum" or "I do not think cakepie is scum". Thank you for your cooperation, Tumblewood. | ||
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On December 09 2016 04:40 Tumblewood wrote: re: cakepie - ExO's mistake was very likely unintentional. it's not something I've ever seen faked by mafia. if it was a mistake, then the information effectively was new to ExO, even if it was always there. I gave you acceptable answers in quotations. Pick one and submit your response. | ||
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On December 09 2016 04:43 cakepie wrote: The problem is you're thinking "it's not mafia faking a town!mistake". Whereas I'm exploring "could be mafia committing a forced error". the simplest answer is exo is illiterate. | ||
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.. You've been voted and are dancing around giving me an answer. The thread, and my filter, are not that long. This is ridiculous. I'll give you until the hour I gave you is up. | ||
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On December 09 2016 05:28 Tumblewood wrote: I was using those words talking about two different parts of the quote, aka the first part is not an argument and the second is subjective, if you were fucking reading it And yet you still have not given ONE of the binary answers I've prescribed. | ||
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Cop, dont claim until you absolutely have to at end of Nightphase. If TW claims cop, lynch that piece of garbage. I will not accept him claiming cop this game. ##Unvote##Vote: Tumblewood I fully understand that this day is going to be a no lynch. I'm like 51/49 on lynhching TW today. | ||
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@Cop, my preference would be that you make your claim just before the end of night phase. Besides that, feel free to tell me why anyone is scum | ||
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On December 12 2016 05:35 ExO_ wrote: Man you've gotta explain to me wtf happened there. How'd you get so locked in, why the super late fake claim. Those massive wall posts. I'm so blown away right now that you aren't scum after that I'm blown away that you think he was scum because of those wall posts. TW's claim is the only one that made sense this game. | ||
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On December 12 2016 07:28 Chairman Ray wrote: i looked into h1s filter and saw some of the cop crumbs that cakepie analyzed, and so did NU. Well played by h1. I feel the set up made that possible more than anything else. I got zero cop vibes off of anyone N0 so I took matters into my own hands. At the end of it all, I think TW played *cop* right, but once claimed the game got really screwed up. No one wanted to really think about how/why the cops claimed and focused on solving the game outright on D2 instead of solving the question of "who is the real cop" which I think was really obvious, especially coming from a guy who was 99% ready to lynch TW D1. | ||
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