EPTWhen I see someone do something, I like to see it from a town perspective and a mafia perspective. Even when someone does something that I don't like or might be a mistake, if I can't put it in a mafia narrative in my head, then they're probly town, or that particular read is null. However if there's something I see that has both a town and mafia perspective, then I call them out on it, and accuse them of the mafia perspective. If they can't give me the town perspective, then that's a scumtell for me. I find it's a better strategy than discussing with everyone whether or not it's scummy, because that might give mafia an opportunity to construct a narrative. So after I accused you and TW at the start, you two didn't rly give me a great answer, so I immediately thought you two were scummy. However, after reconsidering it, I overlooked the very obvious conclusion that threatening to lynch someone that early in the game will often trigger OMGUS regardless if town or mafia. That's a really stupid mistake of me, and I guess it prompted you to hate me all game. So I'm sorry for that. Also sorry to TW, even though you're mafia, but at the time, it was stupid move on my part.
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Chairman Ray
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When I see someone do something, I like to see it from a town perspective and a mafia perspective. Even when someone does something that I don't like or might be a mistake, if I can't put it in a mafia narrative in my head, then they're probly town, or that particular read is null. However if there's something I see that has both a town and mafia perspective, then I call them out on it, and accuse them of the mafia perspective. If they can't give me the town perspective, then that's a scumtell for me. I find it's a better strategy than discussing with everyone whether or not it's scummy, because that might give mafia an opportunity to construct a narrative. So after I accused you and TW at the start, you two didn't rly give me a great answer, so I immediately thought you two were scummy. However, after reconsidering it, I overlooked the very obvious conclusion that threatening to lynch someone that early in the game will often trigger OMGUS regardless if town or mafia. That's a really stupid mistake of me, and I guess it prompted you to hate me all game. So I'm sorry for that. Also sorry to TW, even though you're mafia, but at the time, it was stupid move on my part. | ||
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On December 11 2016 00:16 NeverUnlucky wrote: CRay: Who do you think is scum with TW? You said you thought ExO, CP, and H1 were town yesterday, and now you are town-reading me (?). So who's scum and why? All your arguments for you being cop are that TW is not cop. Why are you cop? Why tf would you have checked Koshi aka the guy with the highest % of chances to die N0? I have a hard time reading Koshi, and two people have threatened to lynch Koshi if he doesn't die. I just checked him so we don't have to worry about reading him anymore, and it would be nice to trust all his reads. | ||
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On December 12 2016 04:54 NeverUnlucky wrote: That was a lot of stuff to read cakepie, why are you the one who's bringing sense to Ray's cop claim and not him? I've asked him a couple o' times to explain his claim and the best answer I got was from you re: 512 Also, I get your points for scum-reading TW, but you don't address why his cop claim is fake which I think is the cornerstone of today's lynch. Unlike Ray, TW has a lot of points to show for to prove that he is cop. The answers to the questions he's given me make sense. Why is it null for me to choose the scum explanation but is mafia AI for TW and ExO? I answered your question earier about why i checked koshi. Im on my phone so cant go back and quote. But let me ask you this, do you think it's reasonable for the real cop to get a greencheck, and then spend a lot of effort scumreading them the following day? | ||
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On December 12 2016 05:02 NeverUnlucky wrote: And I would like to know, if you are so sure that TW is scum, why did you not vote for him? I did vote for him, first thing | ||
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On December 10 2016 16:33 cakepie wrote: Huh, you might actually care. You could lynch Ray today, and die tonight, and leave us to our devices. But you care (or are pretending to.) If cop!TW and town!cakepie, it's either ExO or NU with Ray. Don't discount NU with Ray. It's plausible that the following: - You were selected as D1 target based on N0, and Ray vs NU was a distancing move where Ray has to lynch you to flip you scum and scum NU by association. But we could copcheck you as town and Ray would safely disengage NU. Or we mislynch you and they win. In that sense, Ray v NU isn't even a bus. - EoD1 may have had NU waiting to hammer you if ExO or H1 voted. - your crumbs were found, and scum actually opted not to kill cop!TW because: - they get to kill conftown in H1 - you were scumread D1 by H1, me, and ?ExO? - with me going after TW+ExO, I'm the weakest link who will mislynch you - in any event, NU is sent into thread to vote you and get stupidcake to vote you and then Ray hammers - scum puzzles over my claim for a bit and then figures out I fucked up. Ray formulates his copclaim. - NU voting ray is ballsy, but they know I will tell NU to unvote. - This requires NU to be playing very well, but this is the scenario where he has Ray as a very experienced scumbuddy who can guide him. So you need to consider both ExO and NU. | ||
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On December 12 2016 05:55 Acrofales wrote: Honestly, though, this game deserves some post-mortem! There was a moment when TW and NU were on CR, and I mentioned to Artanis that CR should just hammer himself and stop town's chance for thinking out the game. But instead scum decided NU should unvote and they went with CR as a countercopclaim gambit. And then town chewed themselves up, because nobody considered for a second that NU was scum. We actually had most of that planned out already in the qt. The plan was for me to counterclaim if tumblewood or exo was cop and checked anybody but NU, but cakepies fake claim threw us off a bit. NU stalled the thread a bit while we reformulated the plan. Cakepie also called it correctly than NU voting on me was a ballsy move, and we knew cakepie was going to tell NU to unvote immediately. We got a little lucky on day 2 and our plan worked a little better than intended. We looked at two paths of victory, one which involved me getting lynched and taking cakepie down with me, and another where cakepie continues to believe that exo and tw is the scumteam. We decided to do the first one, where i link myself with cakepie, and have NU hammer me before cakepie changes his mind. In order to do that, we planned out a way to play that fulfilled every town's narrative at the same time and makes it look like the game is figured out from each persons perspective. The last thing we wanted was to have people considering that NU and I are mafia because their main read doesnt make sense anymore. For ExO and TW, the work was already halfway done because i was already scummy to them, and they were reacting negatively to cakepies case. ExO was 99% on me being mafia, and 70% on cakepie, while TW was 100% and 90% respectively (i recall seeing these numbers in the thread) We just needed to turn these up to 100. So in the qt, we planned that i would make one post to cakepie and i made it awkward and forced, ignore exo completely, and spend all my time begging NU in order to create a false narrative that he's the pivotal town vote. We had no doubt that all town were considering in their head that i was mafia with NU, but the spoken narrative wasnt there yet, and NU had to hammer me before any suspicion was cast, which would then make NU look really good and cakepie really bad. We were hoping that on day 3, town would pick up that NU couldnt mafia with me because we could have already won with cakepies support, or if cakepie wasnt fully supporting us, then i spent the day begging my own mafia partner for his vote. It wasnt a very difficult plan to see through, but people may have been too tunnelled to care, or they ruled it out with occhams razor. At various moments in the day, i was like HAMMER NOW in the qt, but someone would post something, or we hesitated. So yeah, we didnt end up carrying that plan. For cakepie, we actually had a feeling that he knew all along i was mafia, and he was just dragging on his case to get a reaction test in order to determine the remaining mafia between NU and ExO. After all, he has read and analyzed every little thing in the game. So we thought he might have been trying to lull NU into voting TW, so he can hammer me and make a case that NU is mafia. Or if NU hammers me first, he would point to a breadcrumb, saying that he knew i was mafia all along. I actually spent a good time scouring his big long posts for breadcrumbs. I mean, the dudes way too good and way too dedicated to not be looking into me and NU. So i thought there was a 25% chance that this was a ploy by cakepie, 50% that if NU switched his support unconvincingly, that town would pick up on it, and only 25% chance that we could win with cakepies vote. So we made the rule that if cakepie votes, we hammer. If he doesnt, then hammer me. Better odds of winning on day 3 than losing to epicploy!cakepie or scumslipping. We noticed halfway through the day that since ExO and TWs narrative involved me and cp being mafia, their counterarguments to CP all involved him being scum, or there being association between us. So cakepie was actually never presented with any opposing viewpoints to his ExO+TW case. I think maybe that contributed to him being tunnelled on his case. We spent a few hours early this morning planning how to play today very convincingly. NU eventually made the right call of Fuck it, im just gonna straight up ask cakepie to vote first. So yeah, we completely overreacted to cakepie, but it worked out in the end. | ||
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On December 12 2016 07:10 Tumblewood wrote: one question for the scum team: why kill 1der instead of  ExO? you could have easily found one stray vote on me out of 1der and cakepiei looked into h1s filter and saw some of the cop crumbs that cakepie analyzed, and so did NU. Well played by h1. | ||
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