On December 14 2016 05:52 Shapelog wrote: I thought honestly more people would want to F*** the players over than be F***ed. And I would had to have a F***ing contest to see who would get to F***.
This is a very interesting fact that I have learned today about the community of TL mafia.
On December 26 2016 05:43 Alakaslam wrote: / c h u p a z i
Hey merry Christmas
Oh well then I'll let it be the best of the day I'll let it be back to you the day you have a good time with you the way I did I love it so I can make it through the way I can go and it will help me with it and then I am just a bit more like you
On December 27 2016 11:03 ExO_ wrote: like its the first few hours of day 1 and you're all already inactive? Jesus Christ. Somebody talk with me before I lose my mind
What would you like to talk about? I'll be here all night.
On December 27 2016 11:19 ExO_ wrote: I'm not sure what specifically to talk about. Other than Koshi who comes in like this appears scummy to me. Idk what to make of slam claiming VT and saying he's going to be afk though
I don't have much of an opinion on anything so far. If Koshi is town we should see bursts of townieness regardless of what he said earlier.
On December 27 2016 11:19 ExO_ wrote: I'm not sure what specifically to talk about. Other than Koshi who comes in like this appears scummy to me. Idk what to make of slam claiming VT and saying he's going to be afk though
I don't have much of an opinion on anything so far. If Koshi is town we should see bursts of townieness regardless of what he said earlier.
Right, but the koshi coming in saying he's town but going to be afk-ish reminds me of dota 2 mafia Koshi: He felt demotivated the entire time. He was able to step it up as he played on though.
Compare that to his play in Liquidmania. He's loud and in your face and obnoxious as hell, and town.
Demotivated afkish Koshi = Scum. Coming in and saying he's going to behave like scum makes me think he actually is scum
Koshi's Dota 2 opener wasn't like this game. His start looks to me more like the posts you are expecting from town-Koshi.
On December 27 2016 11:19 ExO_ wrote: I'm not sure what specifically to talk about. Other than Koshi who comes in like this appears scummy to me. Idk what to make of slam claiming VT and saying he's going to be afk though
I don't have much of an opinion on anything so far. If Koshi is town we should see bursts of townieness regardless of what he said earlier.
Also I haven't played with you on TL mafia before. Are you from this site and before my considerably limited time, or did you come from another site?
I've been playing on TL for a while but I tend to come and go in limited bursts. As in I'll play 5-10 games and then get bored and stop playing. Then I come back a year later.
On December 27 2016 12:11 LightningStrike wrote: I going to put a vote on Koshi for right now because his opening was pure shit and not like any town opening I remember him doing. ##Vote: Koshi
On December 27 2016 12:11 LightningStrike wrote: I going to put a vote on Koshi for right now because his opening was pure shit and not like any town opening I remember him doing. ##Vote: Koshi
Any reason for choosing Koshi over Slam?
if you were choosing somebody to lynch right now who would you choose?
On December 27 2016 12:26 ExO_ wrote: You don't have any opinions thus far? About anybody? Really?
I think you seem pretty townish so far, but I'll have to check whatever game TickTock was referencing. Besides that I have no reads.
I've been lynched day 1 the past 2/3 games I've played, and I react poorly. Both times I basically walked into the thread and was immediately scum read and gang-banged. Both times I claimed, and was VT.
Well, I don't think you'll have to worry about that happening this game.
On December 27 2016 14:05 LightningStrike wrote: Tbh Grack's defense of Koshi is a little bit strange can't remember if he did the same thing regarding me in my very first game together. Anyways I think we should leave Slam alone and see what he does because one of the ways Geript had a good read on to Slam is if Slam does his own thing which would mean he would be town so I rather see what he does later.
Why do you find it strange? Quite a few people have said the same regarding Koshi.
On December 27 2016 14:53 Grackaroni wrote: I'd be down with voting slot #7 (LS) for turning against me, as well as taking advice from Geript. Only those with Chupazi can read Alakaslam.
On December 27 2016 15:01 Grackaroni wrote: We can make a deal here, TT. You're bored. I'm bored. Let's get the LightningStrike.
Another dude who gets it.
Grack, Darth, why don't we just make up our own rules and become a scum team ourselves? We can totally run out the current team and rule this town ourselves.
First order of business is to clear out all the silly townies trying to win the game and bring in bus loads of hot bitches and hot tubs.
Ah yes, a novel idea, we could call it the House of Brown.
On December 27 2016 15:28 darthfoley wrote: Ticktock's entrance is definitely different than usual. However, motivated TT also makes me happy.
Anyone feel like ExO is trying a little too hard to scum hunt? I know the D1 lynch thing is becoming a meme, but uber aggression is not what I associated with his town play (from what i've seen).
On December 27 2016 13:12 darthfoley wrote: Yup the votes on Koshi are silly.
Also don't understand why ExO wants a biography about everyone's history of mafia playing. Seems very irrelevant and feels more scummy than towny. I legit don't understand why he's asking people about it.
Yayyy people claiming VT in a game of only VTs! Great plays.
I prefer Grack so far to be most town
This guy gets it.
Darth you are gunna be my buddy this game I can feel it.
Though tbh I don't think anyone has been terribly towny just yet.
sentence one implies i'm towny, sentence two implies no one is towny?
I think what he was saying was that he agreed with everything you said minus the part about me.
I think I'll actually be so bold as to extend an early town lean to TickTock.
On December 27 2016 15:42 ExO_ wrote: Also Grackaroni is really fucking weird to me. I don't know what to make of him just buddying right up to Ticktock. I'd like an explanation as to why he's townreading ticktock and that's his only read right now
Balderdash! Do not you recall how I responded to your questioning? For I had town read you, and that was it.
On December 27 2016 13:12 darthfoley wrote: Yup the votes on Koshi are silly.
Also don't understand why ExO wants a biography about everyone's history of mafia playing. Seems very irrelevant and feels more scummy than towny. I legit don't understand why he's asking people about it.
Yayyy people claiming VT in a game of only VTs! Great plays.
I prefer Grack so far to be most town
I want to know, so I know what to compare it to (and in the case of timetraveler to figure out if its a smurf or not). And it's hardly the only thing I'm asking for.
The votes on Koshi are silly thus far? Then you think this is consistent with his town play? Or do you have somebody you are scum reading harder?
Well generally I think voting off of one post is a little much. I share your concern, considering Koshi's usual town play style is aggressive and quite good, but there's so much time left in the day.
I like Grack because he pointed out that people are putting pressure on Koshi, but not Alakaslam even though they had similar openings.
Why? I'm not able to get a good read on slam, b/c I feel like slam is always like this (from my personal experience). Grack doesn't appear to be scum hunting, or even remotely interested in scum hunting. Look at how he responds to my questioning of him: by town reading me and that's it.
I don't think voting Koshi was a bad place to start. If you were lynching someone right now, who would you choose and why?
TickTock doesn't seem all that concerned with appearances to me right now.
I just went back to check. I fucking knew I was involved in a shit post triangle with you before.
On September 09 2016 20:26 Calix wrote: tl;dr: Grackaroni/ Tumblewood/ Ticktock are my scum-reads and the fact that they are low-key defending each other just makes me feel more confident that lynching among these three is the best option.
On December 27 2016 13:12 darthfoley wrote: Yup the votes on Koshi are silly.
Also don't understand why ExO wants a biography about everyone's history of mafia playing. Seems very irrelevant and feels more scummy than towny. I legit don't understand why he's asking people about it.
Yayyy people claiming VT in a game of only VTs! Great plays.
I prefer Grack so far to be most town
This guy gets it.
Darth you are gunna be my buddy this game I can feel it.
Though tbh I don't think anyone has been terribly towny just yet.
TT then followed up with some very gracious words for Grackaroni
On December 27 2016 14:53 Grackaroni wrote: I'd be down with voting slot #7 (LS) for turning against me, as well as taking advice from Geript. Only those with Chupazi can read Alakaslam.
On December 27 2016 15:01 Grackaroni wrote: We can make a deal here, TT. You're bored. I'm bored. Let's get the LightningStrike.
Another dude who gets it.
Grack, Darth, why don't we just make up our own rules and become a scum team ourselves? We can totally run out the current team and rule this town ourselves.
First order of business is to clear out all the silly townies trying to win the game and bring in bus loads of hot bitches and hot tubs.
While DF was suspicious of TT, I used my powers of persuasion to draw DF into the buddying fold
On December 27 2016 15:58 darthfoley wrote: Any person who says balderdash has a special place in my heart
However, DF's loyalties to TT must be called into question.
On December 27 2016 16:08 darthfoley wrote: So ExO, what are your reads? It's only fair to ask you considering your aggressive posture so far. I'm sure you've garnered lots of informations
I find it really odd that you include yourself in that buddy triangle. I certainly never did. Up until this point, you were one of my strongest town reads. and I want to say you still are. But something about auto-associating yourself in a group that I never associated you with reads odd to me.
Strongest Scum Read is tick tock. Grack I'm scum reading as well. I'm null on slam, because I've found his play nonsensical and unreadable in the past. Koshi I lean scum, but I'm more interested in getting him to post more.
The only strong town read I had was you DarthFoley. You're the only other person who I think is actively scum hunting, and questioning everything. But why, why did you throw yourself in that buddy ring and say I was the one putting you there....it makes no sense to me
My point was that I disagree with you saying Grack was buddying Ticktock. I was arguing that Ticktock is the one buddying both me and grack.
On December 27 2016 12:11 LightningStrike wrote: I going to put a vote on Koshi for right now because his opening was pure shit and not like any town opening I remember him doing. ##Vote: Koshi
Any reason for choosing Koshi over Slam?
if you were choosing somebody to lynch right now who would you choose?
On December 27 2016 12:26 ExO_ wrote: You don't have any opinions thus far? About anybody? Really?
On December 28 2016 03:38 Superbia wrote: More specifically this question seems kinda forced and is never answered/addressed. TT still goes to #1 town on darth's list though.
On December 27 2016 15:28 darthfoley wrote: Ticktock's entrance is definitely different than usual. However, motivated TT also makes me happy.
Anyone feel like ExO is trying a little too hard to scum hunt? I know the D1 lynch thing is becoming a meme, but uber aggression is not what I associated with his town play (from what i've seen).
On December 27 2016 13:12 darthfoley wrote: Yup the votes on Koshi are silly.
Also don't understand why ExO wants a biography about everyone's history of mafia playing. Seems very irrelevant and feels more scummy than towny. I legit don't understand why he's asking people about it.
Yayyy people claiming VT in a game of only VTs! Great plays.
I prefer Grack so far to be most town
This guy gets it.
Darth you are gunna be my buddy this game I can feel it.
Though tbh I don't think anyone has been terribly towny just yet.
sentence one implies i'm towny, sentence two implies no one is towny?
I like the line of questioning here but I read this post as DF liking TT overall just with the exception of the one post.
On December 28 2016 05:44 Grackaroni wrote: Could we pile some votes on LightningStrike please? I'd like to assert dominance.
You are welcome.
why are we scumreading LS?
Because I can. Also just bad contributions overall so far.
On December 28 2016 04:46 Grackaroni wrote: I don't understand how Koshi is town reading LS. He came back recently and he was still focused entirely on Koshi's first post.
He's probably the most likely mafia at this point.
On December 28 2016 08:41 Chezinu wrote: First off, it seems no one signed up for my game... Also, the lack of seed sowing seems quite scarce.
Anyways, ExO_ can you please explain to me how does it feel to be a theme disruptor?
If you were to become mayor, what would you do?
Can't you see you're being supplanted?
On December 28 2016 06:11 Grackaroni wrote: Alright I'm going to go do other stuff. I will confront Koshi later. He called me a triple mafia. That's bullshit. At most I am a single mafia.
On December 28 2016 06:11 Grackaroni wrote: Alright I'm going to go do other stuff. I will confront Koshi later. He called me a triple mafia. That's bullshit. At most I am a single mafia.
He's saying you're the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost of Brown all in one mafia.
On December 28 2016 07:01 Grackaroni wrote: I actually have to go soon though, so we're going to have to speed the scheduled confrontation up or postpone it.
What are your reads?
All the reads I've wanted to share are already in my filter.
I should have a read on Kosh-Kosh later, but I need to be able to talk to him in order to evaluate him.
On December 28 2016 09:01 disformation wrote: I like Hoshi more.
Can you tell me what the Hoshi said?
He called me uninstall mafia!
But also he seems to be expecting a style of play from me that is just not how I have ever played. And he's played with me a lot so I have no idea where those expectations are coming from.
On December 28 2016 09:01 disformation wrote: I like Hoshi more.
Can you tell me what the Hoshi said?
He called me uninstall mafia!
But also he seems to be expecting a style of play from me that is just not how I have ever played. And he's played with me a lot so I have no idea where those expectations are coming from.
I believe he spoke of unistall, not uninstall... but I missed that combination with mafia... I don't internet explorer unless installing... so I just don't quite understand.
Oh now I understand. Unistall as in one stall. Therefore we need to limit our shitting to a single stall while using the internet explorer.
On December 28 2016 09:49 Chezinu wrote: So guys, I was playing on chrome on my laptop in bed and fell asleep. When I awoke, I read the Grack. Afterwards, I understand the best ideas are found in the bathroom. I seem to be the only one pushing for expounding ideas to be made into bills and eventually law in this game. But this does not mean I will stop, <insert motto>.
There is so much I must teach you, dear Chezinu. For my seeds have long been planted. No longer shall the House of Brown live in abstraction. The only question that remains is whether you shall be a part of it. For you have been supplanted as Dear Leader, and now you must prove your loyalty to the cause. Find the shitters and you will get the seeds. The seeds are the key. But beware. Traitors hide among us. There are those who would do harm to the House of Brown and all those within it.
On December 28 2016 09:49 Chezinu wrote: So guys, I was playing on chrome on my laptop in bed and fell asleep. When I awoke, I read the Grack. Afterwards, I understand the best ideas are found in the bathroom. I seem to be the only one pushing for expounding ideas to be made into bills and eventually law in this game. But this does not mean I will stop, <insert motto>.
There is so much I must teach you, dear Chezinu. For my seeds have long been planted. No longer shall the House of Brown live in abstraction. The only question that remains is whether you shall be a part of it. For you have been supplanted as Dear Leader, and now you must prove your loyalty to the cause. Find the shitters and you will get the seeds. The seeds are the key. But beware. Traitors hide among us. There are those who would do harm to the House of Brown and all those within it.
I heard the plan was #7, but wouldn't #2 be more brown? However, I can't seem to find #2, albeit #2 said there would be a Christmas delay. Perhaps tomorrow we will be able to find the seeds from #2?
Looks like Superbia has been the only one to sprout a seed this game, although it was barely a small poke.
Ah excellent. This is most pertinent.
Top scientists are currently looking into what may cause a bear to glow. It could be seeds or something more ominous, indeed.
On December 28 2016 11:00 Koshi wrote: ##vote Grackaroni
in 4 pages: I have no clue who he thinks is mafia. I have not seen him push the game forward. (aka brought new interesting topics to discuss with people) I have not seen him try to progress his own reads by asking somebody a question that would further his read on them. He scumreads LS, makes 2 posts on why he is mafia, and then doesn't mention him in the next 20 posts he makes. He townreads ExO when it is safe to do so, and then pushes that read onto people like he discovered that read. While he had nothing to say about ExO the entire game (before he hard townread him).
Probably mafia. Will monitor if he picks up his play.
We will address this saga from the beginning, most unfaithful Hoshi.
On December 28 2016 03:32 Koshi wrote: Grack coming in defending me is mafia. He also keeps it up without really trying to discover the alignment of other players. Double mafia. Going soft after LS after his townie post about grack makes him tripple mafia.
You say of those who defends, mafia they be. And yet what else was I to do? For it was the pouting of ExO that drew me to you.
On December 27 2016 11:03 ExO_ wrote: like its the first few hours of day 1 and you're all already inactive? Jesus Christ. Somebody talk with me before I lose my mind
On December 27 2016 11:03 ExO_ wrote: like its the first few hours of day 1 and you're all already inactive? Jesus Christ. Somebody talk with me before I lose my mind
What would you like to talk about? I'll be here all night.
But alas of Koshi he wanted a brawl.
On December 27 2016 11:19 ExO_ wrote: I'm not sure what specifically to talk about. Other than Koshi who comes in like this appears scummy to me. Idk what to make of slam claiming VT and saying he's going to be afk though
On December 27 2016 11:19 ExO_ wrote: I'm not sure what specifically to talk about. Other than Koshi who comes in like this appears scummy to me. Idk what to make of slam claiming VT and saying he's going to be afk though
I don't have much of an opinion on anything so far. If Koshi is town we should see bursts of townieness regardless of what he said earlier.
But then with conviction, he answered: most definitely red.
On December 27 2016 11:19 ExO_ wrote: I'm not sure what specifically to talk about. Other than Koshi who comes in like this appears scummy to me. Idk what to make of slam claiming VT and saying he's going to be afk though
I don't have much of an opinion on anything so far. If Koshi is town we should see bursts of townieness regardless of what he said earlier.
Right, but the koshi coming in saying he's town but going to be afk-ish reminds me of dota 2 mafia Koshi: He felt demotivated the entire time. He was able to step it up as he played on though.
Compare that to his play in Liquidmania. He's loud and in your face and obnoxious as hell, and town.
Demotivated afkish Koshi = Scum. Coming in and saying he's going to behave like scum makes me think he actually is scum
And so with a glance, I gave it a look. And so clearly it was, we must keep a clear head.
On December 27 2016 11:19 ExO_ wrote: I'm not sure what specifically to talk about. Other than Koshi who comes in like this appears scummy to me. Idk what to make of slam claiming VT and saying he's going to be afk though
I don't have much of an opinion on anything so far. If Koshi is town we should see bursts of townieness regardless of what he said earlier.
Right, but the koshi coming in saying he's town but going to be afk-ish reminds me of dota 2 mafia Koshi: He felt demotivated the entire time. He was able to step it up as he played on though.
Compare that to his play in Liquidmania. He's loud and in your face and obnoxious as hell, and town.
Demotivated afkish Koshi = Scum. Coming in and saying he's going to behave like scum makes me think he actually is scum
Koshi's Dota 2 opener wasn't like this game. His start looks to me more like the posts you are expecting from town-Koshi.
And then LightningStrike came with a similar approach.
On December 27 2016 12:11 LightningStrike wrote: I going to put a vote on Koshi for right now because his opening was pure shit and not like any town opening I remember him doing. ##Vote: Koshi
On December 27 2016 12:11 LightningStrike wrote: I going to put a vote on Koshi for right now because his opening was pure shit and not like any town opening I remember him doing. ##Vote: Koshi
Any reason for choosing Koshi over Slam?
For the rest of your charges, I think they're a joke.
On December 28 2016 03:32 Koshi wrote: superbia good lynch
ExO town. Making bad assumptions and those more likely come from town. (I am demotivated, TiTr is from other site). If he is mafia he is doing a good job at bullshitting hard without it being obvious. His reaction to the "most lynchable" sentence of darth was really good. top town. Great post on Grack. Tip top town.
Grack coming in defending me is mafia. He also keeps it up without really trying to discover the alignment of other players. Double mafia. Going soft after LS after his townie post about grack makes him tripple mafia.
TT is town. Good posts + chill posting style. Great post on Superbia.
On December 27 2016 12:17 Grackaroni wrote: I get that it's unusual for Koshi to fuck off, but he usually tries to make his scum play match his town play.
*yawn* Everyone tries to make their scum game like their town game.
<- townie bravure. Also like his Grack read. It was prudent. Town!LS style.
Alakaslam good plynch. Also defended me for no reason at all.
Disformation is looking extremely clueless. I am not sure if that makes him town or mafia not knowing wtf to do.
GB could be town. Brought a new wave of information/game solving when entering thread.
TiTr might be pushing mafia agenda calling a bunch of people town at the same time. Very bad thing to do, vary naive if he is town.
darthfoley is looking at the right places with his lynch. I don't like the order yet so nullish. Also didn't dislike his previous posts, but don't love them either.
tldr: 3 people are more likely town. GB/ExO and LS.
People who think Grack is town should do the same. While Chez tries to cheat himself towards an easy townread (probably on accident, I didn't read his post) Grack is making sure people are not townreading him by using argumentation only mafia can know. I don't know if he scumslipped there, but it looks horrible. That and the fact he is now on 25 posts doing absolutely nothing game solving. Quite amazing.
On December 28 2016 11:00 Koshi wrote: ##vote Grackaroni
in 4 pages: I have no clue who he thinks is mafia. I have not seen him push the game forward. (aka brought new interesting topics to discuss with people) I have not seen him try to progress his own reads by asking somebody a question that would further his read on them. He scumreads LS, makes 2 posts on why he is mafia, and then doesn't mention him in the next 20 posts he makes. He townreads ExO when it is safe to do so, and then pushes that read onto people like he discovered that read. While he had nothing to say about ExO the entire game (before he hard townread him).
Probably mafia. Will monitor if he picks up his play.
1) Points 1 and 4 contradict. I think your contribution of #4 is enough to cancel #1.
2) I think I've done more to push this game forward than any game I've played recently. I pretty much do what I want and give reads when I can. If people don't post much then I'm not going to be able to form stellar reads. Two of your town reads were already prefaced by me. The only reason you were able to get a TT town read is because of posting that I did. Thus I've already progressed the game more than you have.
3) I've been using my posting to try to get a read on Chezinu and also LS.
4) I think your town read is ridiculous. I looked back in the last game and in the first page he said that someone was more likely town. I still agree with my former assessment. Since returning he's made multiple posts reiterating that he thinks ExO is townie, as well as reiterate his idea that we are a scum team because of your opening post and my response to his post.
5) I said that ExO was townie a long time ago. This is the second thing you've said that has been a demonstrable lie with the first being your Chezinu post.
Now another hypocrisy I must call to light is the focus by you and LS on me saying Koshi's post was non-alignment indicative when DF/GB/TT/Slam all said that as well.
On December 28 2016 12:15 Grackaroni wrote: Now return, Koshi dearest, or I shall bury you with words. As the Lunatic says, your contributions are turds.
Are we getting closer?
We must wait for further turds. Then I can begin sifting for seeds.
Hey Shapelog you need to make 64 posts by new years to stay on target. You didn't hear it from me, but I heard lots of whisperings about a House of Brown. What I heard sounded really cool.
On December 28 2016 23:38 Koshi wrote: So I didn't see there was a voting thread. I even went looking for it yesterday. But I voted today. Nothing much changed. TT entered the thread and did absolutely nothing but buddy me up and waffle a bit. The most interesting thing was his role suggestion, read it three times, I don't understand it, I doubt he does. lol.
Grack dismissing my case against him like a mafia would. Taking my points super literal and then weazle himself out of them using silly argumentation. Still mafia.
Really liked the reaction from GB on disformation his post. Super townie. @GB: Do not get tunneled on ExO based on his opening and a reasoning you haven't even explained to the thread fully. He is not yet lock town, but for now he is not a correct lynch, his posting pushed the game forward by a lot, people who try to push the game forwardlook bad by default because they have to create something from nothing, most of the time you do that by posting reply bait comments, I really doubt mafia!ExO opened like he did here. You better go look for the prominent posters that are blending in doing completely nothing as town, or the afkers that are hiding their alignment. Kill those first.
Grack Slam Chez TiTr Disfo TT Superbia darth LS GB ExO
Slam and Chez are high on the lynchlist because both refuse to work with town. Easy lynches. Easy vig shots. Get rid of them.
Grack is mafia.
TiTr could already have pushed mafia agenda, has complained about things he shouldn't complain about, hasn't pushed the game further, has only 1 strong read which he adopted from thread sentiment. @TiTr, try to do things other than pretending to be one of those complaining muppets from the muppet show. You do not participate at the game unless forced.
This is a horrendous response to a lot of effort I put into responding to you. I think you should be the lynch today.
I will detail why soon enough. I was there all day yesterday and he made no attempt to engage me, instead writing empty paragraphs and then fucking off. As well as outright distortions of my play.
Anyways let's kill Koshi for his hypocrisy. He lists me not engaging with LS as evidence of me being mafia.
Yet he didn't even so much as write a single sentence towards me when I put a lot of effort into trying to get a feel on him. I've been feeling pretty good on my Koshi reads recently. He didn't give me a chance to read him.
On December 29 2016 04:14 Koshi wrote: Try your bestest Grackie. I think it is possible.
I do too. You've pulled so much bullshit. Starting with your Chezinu post, where I showed that in a past game you outright stated that we shouldn't abuse role PM talk.
On December 29 2016 01:02 ExO_ wrote: I feel like there are a lot of people to seriously consider, but we have 8 hours left and the votes are all over the place. I think I'd prefer chez/slam if we're just gonna lynch a trolly person. I could see grack being scum, but I could also see Koshi very easily being scum here.
His post looks good, but look at how he's playing this game. He's not posting with fire or over the top bravado. He's saying good shit, but he's not playing with that huge umpf that he plays with as town. He's antagonizing nobody. This still doesn't look like town Koshi to me, it reminds me so much of dota 2 mafia.
Still I don't wanna get tunneled all in on this theory 100% yet. I think we should come together as town and get rid of either slam or chezinu for now. ##Unvote ##Vote: Alakaslam
That is like playing darts and hope you hit a bulleyes. I think we should lynch into Grack or Koshi atm.
Does this mean that if Grack flips green you think Koshi is mafia?
Very likely.
What you're saying makes no sense. Your reasoning for scum reading me is that I was "defending" Koshi by trying to draw attention onto Slam. Here you're saying that I'm on a mafia team with Koshi.
I have no idea where you've got the idea that there must be one scum between the two of us, but you have repeated it ad nauseam.
On December 29 2016 04:25 Grackaroni wrote: Koshi's not going to come back.
I'll be useful now because I need town credit for this Koshi feud. TT, I think it is almost certain that scum got involved in the buddy triangle.
Right now I'd look at DF or GB.
I'm a bit confused by this.
You now think that Scum is likely to have been in the, now clearly dissolved buddy triangle, and that makes you want to look at Darth?
I think that it appeared like there was some trust growing between us with ExO being left on the outs, and scum would want to get on the good side of people who seem to have influence on the game.
On December 29 2016 01:02 ExO_ wrote: I feel like there are a lot of people to seriously consider, but we have 8 hours left and the votes are all over the place. I think I'd prefer chez/slam if we're just gonna lynch a trolly person. I could see grack being scum, but I could also see Koshi very easily being scum here.
His post looks good, but look at how he's playing this game. He's not posting with fire or over the top bravado. He's saying good shit, but he's not playing with that huge umpf that he plays with as town. He's antagonizing nobody. This still doesn't look like town Koshi to me, it reminds me so much of dota 2 mafia.
Still I don't wanna get tunneled all in on this theory 100% yet. I think we should come together as town and get rid of either slam or chezinu for now. ##Unvote ##Vote: Alakaslam
That is like playing darts and hope you hit a bulleyes. I think we should lynch into Grack or Koshi atm.
Does this mean that if Grack flips green you think Koshi is mafia?
Very likely.
So you don't actually know about Koshi and just want to sheep him to see if he has good reads then call him mafia if not.
Kus Town!Koshi is never wrong.
No I just think is more likely to be scum than Koshi.
Well, there are plenty of people in the game aside from Koshi, ExO and me.
Lol Disfo's filter was incredibly lazy. From what I recall Dis plays really nervously as mafia. It kind of looked like he went back to filter himself for any post on TT that he may have made after this post, since nobody questioned him on TT between these posts.
On December 28 2016 06:06 disformation wrote: Oh I am not actually playing. thats just in your head.
Havent read a Tictock post yet. Is that stuff good?
On December 27 2016 09:32 ExO_ wrote: Also since this is almost a hunger-games style game, with the hosts behaving as the "sponsors" watching us fight, I humbly implore the hosts for a goody basket
I like LS more now because he seemed to be getting in to trying to lynch me, and I think he was still annoyed that I tried to pile votes on him earlier.
This was the kind of post I thought would be more likely to come from mafia (from what I was saying about the triangle earlier.)
On December 28 2016 00:35 GlowingBear wrote: So far:
Grackaroni Darthfoley Tictock
Superbia Exo
I prefer Disfo's response here
On December 28 2016 22:57 disformation wrote: I also have the feeling somethings off in the TT, grack, darth triangle. Like I think I pretty much like darth, but I am not sure on TT and grack.
Plus the ExO push just seems rather terrible to me. So he's going to have some explaining to do on that push.
On December 28 2016 23:38 Koshi wrote: So I didn't see there was a voting thread. I even went looking for it yesterday. But I voted today. Nothing much changed. TT entered the thread and did absolutely nothing but buddy me up and waffle a bit. The most interesting thing was his role suggestion, read it three times, I don't understand it, I doubt he does. lol.
Grack dismissing my case against him like a mafia would. Taking my points super literal and then weazle himself out of them using silly argumentation. Still mafia.
Really liked the reaction from GB on disformation his post. Super townie. @GB: Do not get tunneled on ExO based on his opening and a reasoning you haven't even explained to the thread fully. He is not yet lock town, but for now he is not a correct lynch, his posting pushed the game forward by a lot, people who try to push the game forwardlook bad by default because they have to create something from nothing, most of the time you do that by posting reply bait comments, I really doubt mafia!ExO opened like he did here. You better go look for the prominent posters that are blending in doing completely nothing as town, or the afkers that are hiding their alignment. Kill those first.
Grack Slam Chez TiTr Disfo TT Superbia darth LS GB ExO
Slam and Chez are high on the lynchlist because both refuse to work with town. Easy lynches. Easy vig shots. Get rid of them.
Grack is mafia.
TiTr could already have pushed mafia agenda, has complained about things he shouldn't complain about, hasn't pushed the game further, has only 1 strong read which he adopted from thread sentiment. @TiTr, try to do things other than pretending to be one of those complaining muppets from the muppet show. You do not participate at the game unless forced.
Koshi, I was usually the player that starts thread discussion, I know where you're coming from, but I don't think it looked like he was getting behind real suspicions. It actually looked like to me that he was just trying to look contributive without actually being committed to what he was pushing
If we are not lynching him we should lynch disformation
GB do you believe that load of bullshit you just spouted? You think I was trying to look contributive without being committed to who I was pushing. It's day 1, the thread was dead and I did everything in my power to get people talking and I think it largely worked. Did you want me to pick 1 player and tunnel them into oblivion? Do you not want me to consider the possibility that other players might be mafia?
And where were you? You didn't do anything to get the thread going. Anything you are saying about me could be applied to you twice as hard.
Really wanna vote GB now
I did exactly the opposite of pushing everywhere, how come you can say that everything I say can be said against me twice as hard? Lol
This kind of logic that makes me think you're mafia. You take a post, exaggerate it and use it to call anyone Mafia.
You know, it's really easy to call anyone mafia. Sometimes I do that as Mafia because it's very easy and people will call me town for the same bullshit for why they are calling you town.
Yes, I am considering other people being Mafia. I've already told the thread I would lynch Disformation.
You're misrepresenting what I said (or are too stupid to comprehend it). I never said you were pushing everywhere, I implied the opposite. You accused me of trying to look contributive without contributing. I've contributed at least twice the amount you have. I got in and drove up a dead thread, while you sat around and did nothing.
That's not the heart of the things I'm accusing you.
You've pushed silly things, like, for example, forcing time traveler to reveal himself if he is a smurf. This is a thing that doesn't matter in any way. When he said he wasn't a smurf but a new player you kept pushing him saying you don't believe him lol. This kind of push is just apparently contributive, but it actually does nothing because him being s smurf or not being a smurf tells nothing about his alignment. And that's what I saw you doing.
Most of ExO's posts were from the early game. It's not really a fair comparison.
On December 29 2016 05:20 GlowingBear wrote: People, we are running out of time and we need to decide the lynch or Mafia will probably have this today.
Let's make a list of 3 people you want to lynch today?
Mine, in order:
1) Disformation 2) Exo 3) Time Traveler
Fuck lists. Place your votes and sell people on your lynch.
On December 28 2016 23:38 Koshi wrote: So I didn't see there was a voting thread. I even went looking for it yesterday. But I voted today. Nothing much changed. TT entered the thread and did absolutely nothing but buddy me up and waffle a bit. The most interesting thing was his role suggestion, read it three times, I don't understand it, I doubt he does. lol.
Grack dismissing my case against him like a mafia would. Taking my points super literal and then weazle himself out of them using silly argumentation. Still mafia.
Really liked the reaction from GB on disformation his post. Super townie. @GB: Do not get tunneled on ExO based on his opening and a reasoning you haven't even explained to the thread fully. He is not yet lock town, but for now he is not a correct lynch, his posting pushed the game forward by a lot, people who try to push the game forwardlook bad by default because they have to create something from nothing, most of the time you do that by posting reply bait comments, I really doubt mafia!ExO opened like he did here. You better go look for the prominent posters that are blending in doing completely nothing as town, or the afkers that are hiding their alignment. Kill those first.
Grack Slam Chez TiTr Disfo TT Superbia darth LS GB ExO
Slam and Chez are high on the lynchlist because both refuse to work with town. Easy lynches. Easy vig shots. Get rid of them.
Grack is mafia.
TiTr could already have pushed mafia agenda, has complained about things he shouldn't complain about, hasn't pushed the game further, has only 1 strong read which he adopted from thread sentiment. @TiTr, try to do things other than pretending to be one of those complaining muppets from the muppet show. You do not participate at the game unless forced.
Koshi, I was usually the player that starts thread discussion, I know where you're coming from, but I don't think it looked like he was getting behind real suspicions. It actually looked like to me that he was just trying to look contributive without actually being committed to what he was pushing
If we are not lynching him we should lynch disformation
GB do you believe that load of bullshit you just spouted? You think I was trying to look contributive without being committed to who I was pushing. It's day 1, the thread was dead and I did everything in my power to get people talking and I think it largely worked. Did you want me to pick 1 player and tunnel them into oblivion? Do you not want me to consider the possibility that other players might be mafia?
And where were you? You didn't do anything to get the thread going. Anything you are saying about me could be applied to you twice as hard.
Really wanna vote GB now
I did exactly the opposite of pushing everywhere, how come you can say that everything I say can be said against me twice as hard? Lol
This kind of logic that makes me think you're mafia. You take a post, exaggerate it and use it to call anyone Mafia.
You know, it's really easy to call anyone mafia. Sometimes I do that as Mafia because it's very easy and people will call me town for the same bullshit for why they are calling you town.
Yes, I am considering other people being Mafia. I've already told the thread I would lynch Disformation.
You're misrepresenting what I said (or are too stupid to comprehend it). I never said you were pushing everywhere, I implied the opposite. You accused me of trying to look contributive without contributing. I've contributed at least twice the amount you have. I got in and drove up a dead thread, while you sat around and did nothing.
That's not the heart of the things I'm accusing you.
You've pushed silly things, like, for example, forcing time traveler to reveal himself if he is a smurf. This is a thing that doesn't matter in any way. When he said he wasn't a smurf but a new player you kept pushing him saying you don't believe him lol. This kind of push is just apparently contributive, but it actually does nothing because him being s smurf or not being a smurf tells nothing about his alignment. And that's what I saw you doing.
Most of ExO's posts were from the early game. It's not really a fair comparison.
Then answer me: if he was someone really interested to get the game going, why having a burst of pressure early game but then not being pushy by the end of the day?
I think that's valid. But still not the best choice for today. I could get behind a disfo lynch.
On December 28 2016 03:38 Superbia wrote: More specifically this question seems kinda forced and is never answered/addressed. TT still goes to #1 town on darth's list though.
On December 27 2016 15:28 darthfoley wrote: Ticktock's entrance is definitely different than usual. However, motivated TT also makes me happy.
Anyone feel like ExO is trying a little too hard to scum hunt? I know the D1 lynch thing is becoming a meme, but uber aggression is not what I associated with his town play (from what i've seen).
On December 27 2016 13:12 darthfoley wrote: Yup the votes on Koshi are silly.
Also don't understand why ExO wants a biography about everyone's history of mafia playing. Seems very irrelevant and feels more scummy than towny. I legit don't understand why he's asking people about it.
Yayyy people claiming VT in a game of only VTs! Great plays.
I prefer Grack so far to be most town
This guy gets it.
Darth you are gunna be my buddy this game I can feel it.
Though tbh I don't think anyone has been terribly towny just yet.
sentence one implies i'm towny, sentence two implies no one is towny?
I think he and Grack discussed it and correctly concluded that the second line in my post was in reference to Darth early townread on Grack.
I don't have a ton of time till later tonight so just gunna be doing some catching up and lite posts till then.
I like GB he seems to be having similar thoughts as I did reading through the game. Koshi's return and semi list post feels pretty towny. Traveler also feels ok if a little, uh, formal? I guess.
It's a bit early to tell on Super but the feels are good.
Not sure what to make of Dis at all just yet, he feels like is is not invested in the game or something. Not sure if this is AI or related to him being in the other game.
I need to reread Exo. I like his activity and his responses to pressure, but his reads feel pretty forced to me.
Slam and LS have made little impact imo, actually a bit less sure on LS. Feels weird for LS to jump on board the Koshi vote so fast. Both because Koshi has def said he wants to post less as Town before and kus his view of the game feels oddly focused (kinda same on Exo) for this stage of the game.
So I suppose I'm at Exo/Dis/LS right now.
I dislike how you get to a team of 3 that quickly. =/
Especially since you mention slam but reach no conclusion.
This call-out is also good IMO, because it is actually pretty weird that TT is already making associations
Superbia had solid posts while he was here. He also had decent posts on Foley.
On December 29 2016 03:00 disformation wrote: dunno gracks filter is a whole lot of nothing expressed in a lot of words. no reads / real hunting into defense against koshi.
Nonsense I've done more than most. More than you.
I just spend more time posting and there's a much smaller content to post ratio.
On December 29 2016 03:00 disformation wrote: dunno gracks filter is a whole lot of nothing expressed in a lot of words. no reads / real hunting into defense against koshi.
Nonsense I've done more than most. More than you.
I just spend more time posting and there's a much smaller content to post ratio.
you basically only started posting real stuff after hoshi called you out and you had an like 3 1/2 page filter or something before that?
Well Hoshi's been calling me out since his first post which was a whole while back. His complete avoidance of me while writing obnoxious posts makes me want to put more effort in to get rid of him.
Koshi could very easily be mafia right now. He cherry picks things against me and ignores the same things in other players. He buffs up LS' terrible slam argument against me when there were 4/5 other people who made similar posts.
On December 29 2016 01:02 ExO_ wrote: I feel like there are a lot of people to seriously consider, but we have 8 hours left and the votes are all over the place. I think I'd prefer chez/slam if we're just gonna lynch a trolly person. I could see grack being scum, but I could also see Koshi very easily being scum here.
His post looks good, but look at how he's playing this game. He's not posting with fire or over the top bravado. He's saying good shit, but he's not playing with that huge umpf that he plays with as town. He's antagonizing nobody. This still doesn't look like town Koshi to me, it reminds me so much of dota 2 mafia.
Still I don't wanna get tunneled all in on this theory 100% yet. I think we should come together as town and get rid of either slam or chezinu for now. ##Unvote ##Vote: Alakaslam
That is like playing darts and hope you hit a bulleyes. I think we should lynch into Grack or Koshi atm.
On the contrary, it's making a safer play. Going with grack or Koshi is closer to your darts scenario.
However you think Grack or Koshi? Make a case, and tell me which you'd prefer
I starting to think it's more likely Grack unless what you said about Koshi in Dota 2 is correct. This is the case on Grack by Koshi:
On December 28 2016 11:00 Koshi wrote: ##vote Grackaroni
in 4 pages: I have no clue who he thinks is mafia. I have not seen him push the game forward. (aka brought new interesting topics to discuss with people) I have not seen him try to progress his own reads by asking somebody a question that would further his read on them. He scumreads LS, makes 2 posts on why he is mafia, and then doesn't mention him in the next 20 posts he makes. He townreads ExO when it is safe to do so, and then pushes that read onto people like he discovered that read. While he had nothing to say about ExO the entire game (before he hard townread him).
Probably mafia. Will monitor if he picks up his play.
This was my addon to his case on grack:
On December 28 2016 11:04 LightningStrike wrote: I too think Grack is potential mafia too due to how when I was hard pushing you Koshi earlier he kept trying to steer it away to Slam who we both know is harder to read based on pure pushing.
I think it's better to lynch Grack since Slam and Chez are harder to read people until you let them just do their own thing especially Slam. ##Unvote ##Vote: Grackaroni
which, as an addition didnt look like anything ls did last game
LS thinks that I'm mafia because I was trying to deflect people off of his fantastic case on Koshi from his first post and that we are a team, when it is so patently obvious that I am not on a team with Koshi at this point.
On December 29 2016 05:42 disformation wrote: 2 ppl out of 13 - "leading wagon"
yup.
well I am calling it right here, right now: town is going to lose this game. very hard.
The GB wagon analysis is terrible because this game is all AFKs
What do you mean?
Between Chezinu, Slam, Btdt, Time traveler, and anyone else who hasn't posted since lynch discussions have gotten more serious, I think there's too many unknown elements to figure out who is scum just through the way the lynch is going right now.
On December 29 2016 05:56 GlowingBear wrote: Grack
3 names you would lynch
In order
Please
Koshi
Disfo
Slamezinu
I'm going to do what I can to get my Koshi lynch but he hasn't given me enough to bury. I've pointed out various inconsistencies but nobody really cares about them.
On December 29 2016 03:00 disformation wrote: dunno gracks filter is a whole lot of nothing expressed in a lot of words. no reads / real hunting into defense against koshi.
Can you expand on why you liked Grack earlier but now find him scummy?
On December 29 2016 06:23 disformation wrote: gracks first 4 pages of filter have 0 content beside a decent point on koshi and TT. then koshi makes a case on him. bad defense + omgus follows. THEN grack starts to play a bit and reads some filters. still posts tons of useless oneliners.
And yet you liked what I had to say before! Your story is unravelling at the seams, my dear Fabian. Motives grow ever clearer!
Most of my posts are usually useless. I post what I feel like. That's how I play.
Let me preface this by mentioning that I have played with Koshi a lot. He killed me off last game when I started to scum raed him. He should be making an effort to talk to me to read me rather than writing a series of paragraphs that twist my usual play style, alongside various opportunistic mischaracterizations, into some kind of a scum case.
On December 29 2016 06:23 disformation wrote: gracks first 4 pages of filter have 0 content beside a decent point on koshi and TT. then koshi makes a case on him. bad defense + omgus follows. THEN grack starts to play a bit and reads some filters. still posts tons of useless oneliners.
And yet you liked what I had to say before! Your story is unravelling at the seams, my dear Fabian. Motives grow ever clearer!
Most of my posts are usually useless. I post what I feel like. That's how I play.
Nope I didnt like anything
I told you guys i was absolutely shitposting first half of D1 on purpose -.-
also: great, I think I wont be a big fan of you play/poststyle
Well if you wrote a series of shit posts with fake reads then your post style seems more inexcusable than my own.
On December 29 2016 06:23 disformation wrote: gracks first 4 pages of filter have 0 content beside a decent point on koshi and TT. then koshi makes a case on him. bad defense + omgus follows. THEN grack starts to play a bit and reads some filters. still posts tons of useless oneliners.
And yet you liked what I had to say before! Your story is unravelling at the seams, my dear Fabian. Motives grow ever clearer!
Most of my posts are usually useless. I post what I feel like. That's how I play.
Nope I didnt like anything
I told you guys i was absolutely shitposting first half of D1 on purpose -.-
also: great, I think I wont be a big fan of you play/poststyle
Well if you wrote a series of shit posts with fake reads then your post style seems more inexcusable than my own.
I'm going to have to break this up into a series of parts Koshi says: Grack coming in defending me is mafia. He But he never clarifies why this is scummy for me and not for other people. Plus I think that Koshi should be smart enough to understand the point that I had made. All I said was that I would read Koshi based on what he posted later, which is what I did. I think if he's going to argue that defending him is scummy he should apply that logic consistently, or give a reason why it should make me scummy over others.
On December 27 2016 11:58 Tictock wrote: You don't read Koshi off one post where he says he might not be too active. You read him based on what he follows up that one post with.
Also he's been rolling town lately, so if he rolled Scum he could prob pull out the activity if need be.
Basically it is too early to read Koshi.
Exo not playing like total lynchbait is a bit more sus in my mind, but he is setting the bar for activity right now... Let's wait till he goes to bed, yell at him for not being around, then lynch him.
#day1plays
On December 27 2016 13:08 Alakaslam wrote: Why we vote koshi
On December 27 2016 13:12 darthfoley wrote: Yup the votes on Koshi are silly.
Also don't understand why ExO wants a biography about everyone's history of mafia playing. Seems very irrelevant and feels more scummy than towny. I legit don't understand why he's asking people about it.
Yayyy people claiming VT in a game of only VTs! Great plays.
I prefer Grack so far to be most town
I want to know, so I know what to compare it to (and in the case of timetraveler to figure out if its a smurf or not). And it's hardly the only thing I'm asking for.
The votes on Koshi are silly thus far? Then you think this is consistent with his town play? Or do you have somebody you are scum reading harder?
Well generally I think voting off of one post is a little much. I share your concern, considering Koshi's usual town play style is aggressive and quite good, but there's so much time left in the day.
I like Grack because he pointed out that people are putting pressure on Koshi, but not Alakaslam even though they had similar openings.
Also when digging through posts I noticed LightningStrike is arguing that I was trying to shift attention off of Koshi while ignoring TickTock, who could be argued to have done the same.
On December 27 2016 14:05 LightningStrike wrote: Tbh Grack's defense of Koshi is a little bit strange can't remember if he did the same thing regarding me in my very first game together. Anyways I think we should leave Slam alone and see what he does because one of the ways Geript had a good read on to Slam is if Slam does his own thing which would mean he would be town so I rather see what he does later.
On December 27 2016 13:12 darthfoley wrote: Yup the votes on Koshi are silly.
Also don't understand why ExO wants a biography about everyone's history of mafia playing. Seems very irrelevant and feels more scummy than towny. I legit don't understand why he's asking people about it.
Yayyy people claiming VT in a game of only VTs! Great plays.
I prefer Grack so far to be most town
I want to know, so I know what to compare it to (and in the case of timetraveler to figure out if its a smurf or not). And it's hardly the only thing I'm asking for.
The votes on Koshi are silly thus far? Then you think this is consistent with his town play? Or do you have somebody you are scum reading harder?
Well generally I think voting off of one post is a little much. I share your concern, considering Koshi's usual town play style is aggressive and quite good, but there's so much time left in the day.
I like Grack because he pointed out that people are putting pressure on Koshi, but not Alakaslam even though they had similar openings.
I'm also curious why Super is being overlooked in favor of Koshi. He made more posts but had far less content.
Instead TT was town for chill posting. Slam was a policy lynch. DF was null. But me defending him makes me mafia. Also he cites LS' post as evidence against me, which I don't think makes any sense because LS' whole post was saying that I was trying to deflect attention away from mafia Koshi.
On December 28 2016 03:32 Koshi wrote: superbia good lynch
ExO town. Making bad assumptions and those more likely come from town. (I am demotivated, TiTr is from other site). If he is mafia he is doing a good job at bullshitting hard without it being obvious. His reaction to the "most lynchable" sentence of darth was really good. top town. Great post on Grack. Tip top town.
Grack coming in defending me is mafia. He also keeps it up without really trying to discover the alignment of other players. Double mafia. Going soft after LS after his townie post about grack makes him tripple mafia.
TT is town. Good posts + chill posting style. Great post on Superbia.
On December 27 2016 12:17 Grackaroni wrote: I get that it's unusual for Koshi to fuck off, but he usually tries to make his scum play match his town play.
*yawn* Everyone tries to make their scum game like their town game.
<- townie bravure. Also like his Grack read. It was prudent. Town!LS style.
Alakaslam good plynch. Also defended me for no reason at all.
Disformation is looking extremely clueless. I am not sure if that makes him town or mafia not knowing wtf to do.
GB could be town. Brought a new wave of information/game solving when entering thread.
TiTr might be pushing mafia agenda calling a bunch of people town at the same time. Very bad thing to do, vary naive if he is town.
darthfoley is looking at the right places with his lynch. I don't like the order yet so nullish. Also didn't dislike his previous posts, but don't love them either.
tldr: 3 people are more likely town. GB/ExO and LS.
Grack Disfo Slam TiTr Superbia darth GB TT ExO
People calling ExO mafia should probably just unistall the game. Which for those people probably means unistall internet explorer.
People who think Grack is town should do the same. While Chez tries to cheat himself towards an easy townread (probably on accident, I didn't read his post) Grack is making sure people are not townreading him by using argumentation only mafia can know. I don't know if he scumslipped there, but it looks horrible. That and the fact he is now on 25 posts doing absolutely nothing game solving. Quite amazing.
My bad townread of Superbia boils down to the fact he is a boring townie interacting with the hosts because scumhunting isn't his forte anyway. lol. last part was a joke. or maybe not.
Putting disformation also high on the scumlist. Still have no clue what he is doing, but everything he does looks forced and terrible.
Then Koshi follows up with this bolded opportunistic bullshit. I got the role PM thing from the OP, which he could spend 5 minutes checking before rushing to try to condemn me.
I've already pointed out that Koshi's push here is completely uncharacteristic of Koshi from his past postings, and is likely bullshit that he does not truly believe. He knows that not wanting to rely on role PMs to solve the game isn't scummy.
On December 28 2016 03:32 Koshi wrote: superbia good lynch
ExO town. Making bad assumptions and those more likely come from town. (I am demotivated, TiTr is from other site). If he is mafia he is doing a good job at bullshitting hard without it being obvious. His reaction to the "most lynchable" sentence of darth was really good. top town. Great post on Grack. Tip top town.
Grack coming in defending me is mafia. He also keeps it up without really trying to discover the alignment of other players. Double mafia. Going soft after LS after his townie post about grack makes him tripple mafia.
TT is town. Good posts + chill posting style. Great post on Superbia.
On December 27 2016 12:17 Grackaroni wrote: I get that it's unusual for Koshi to fuck off, but he usually tries to make his scum play match his town play.
*yawn* Everyone tries to make their scum game like their town game.
<- townie bravure. Also like his Grack read. It was prudent. Town!LS style.
Alakaslam good plynch. Also defended me for no reason at all.
Disformation is looking extremely clueless. I am not sure if that makes him town or mafia not knowing wtf to do.
GB could be town. Brought a new wave of information/game solving when entering thread.
TiTr might be pushing mafia agenda calling a bunch of people town at the same time. Very bad thing to do, vary naive if he is town.
darthfoley is looking at the right places with his lynch. I don't like the order yet so nullish. Also didn't dislike his previous posts, but don't love them either.
tldr: 3 people are more likely town. GB/ExO and LS.
People who think Grack is town should do the same. While Chez tries to cheat himself towards an easy townread (probably on accident, I didn't read his post) Grack is making sure people are not townreading him by using argumentation only mafia can know. I don't know if he scumslipped there, but it looks horrible. That and the fact he is now on 25 posts doing absolutely nothing game solving. Quite amazing.
On December 28 2016 11:00 Koshi wrote: ##vote Grackaroni
in 4 pages: I have no clue who he thinks is mafia. I have not seen him push the game forward. (aka brought new interesting topics to discuss with people) I have not seen him try to progress his own reads by asking somebody a question that would further his read on them. He scumreads LS, makes 2 posts on why he is mafia, and then doesn't mention him in the next 20 posts he makes. He townreads ExO when it is safe to do so, and then pushes that read onto people like he discovered that read. While he had nothing to say about ExO the entire game (before he hard townread him).
Probably mafia. Will monitor if he picks up his play.
Here for the first point he contradicts himself at #4.
For #3 I put a lot of effort to try to talk to Koshi, and I legitimately believe he may be purposely avoiding me. I am here constantly and have been able to talk with almost everybody else.
On December 29 2016 07:18 disformation wrote: well, I kinda agree with the koshi part where he says you have like 25 posts without game solving and stuff. =p
can someone else verify that grack posts a lot without having a lot of content?
I'm a major shit poster.
I have just recently accepted an invitation into an OMGUS game.
I think that should verify my shit posting credentials.
I don't like that first he was calling me scum for being Koshi's scum partner and now he's saying that I'm scum because my Koshi fight seems like it's between town and scum. Those are opposite reasons but I always seem to end up the lynch over Koshi.
On December 28 2016 11:04 LightningStrike wrote: I too think Grack is potential mafia too due to how when I was hard pushing you Koshi earlier he kept trying to steer it away to Slam who we both know is harder to read based on pure pushing.
this post man??? Grack did a better job of pointing out the inconsistencies it assumes, but c'mon like what
What bothers me more is that while I think that's an acceptable post to see from LS, I can't see how Koshi would be able to call that post excellent.
On December 29 2016 07:45 LightningStrike wrote: We not lynching ExO I think he's a paranoid town. He shown this in his last game.
This again is wtf level.
He made three reads at the start of the game. ExO seems townie. Koshi is mafia. Grack is mafia for deflecting off of Koshi. Every post he has made since then has just been reiterating the exact same reads while changing around the reasoning behind them.
I don't think he can come up with his own reads. At this point I think we just kill LS.
Can we lynch LS? I think he's more likely to be scum than Koshi. Koshi was just bothering me more.
On December 29 2016 07:38 Grackaroni wrote: I don't like that first he was calling me scum for being Koshi's scum partner and now he's saying that I'm scum because my Koshi fight seems like it's between town and scum. Those are opposite reasons but I always seem to end up the lynch over Koshi.
On December 29 2016 07:45 LightningStrike wrote: We not lynching ExO I think he's a paranoid town. He shown this in his last game.
This again is wtf level.
He made three reads at the start of the game. ExO seems townie. Koshi is mafia. Grack is mafia for deflecting off of Koshi. Every post he has made since then has just been reiterating the exact same reads while changing around the reasoning behind them.
I don't think he can come up with his own reads. At this point I think we just kill LS.
On December 29 2016 05:36 GlowingBear wrote: I must say I'm disliking LS. I remember Tina saying something about him being more "mechanical" when he is Mafia?
On December 28 2016 04:46 Grackaroni wrote: I don't understand how Koshi is town reading LS. He came back recently and he was still focused entirely on Koshi's first post.
He's probably the most likely mafia at this point.
You be suprised how hard I can tunnel as town.
Yet you haven't tunneled anyone.
You also added onto Koshi's case on Grack with a bad point onto a case that was already bad. Outside of that, I don't really know what you've done to push anyone or to push the game forward.
On December 28 2016 04:46 Grackaroni wrote: I don't understand how Koshi is town reading LS. He came back recently and he was still focused entirely on Koshi's first post.
He's probably the most likely mafia at this point.
You be suprised how hard I can tunnel as town.
Yet you haven't tunneled anyone.
You also added onto Koshi's case on Grack with a bad point onto a case that was already bad. Outside of that, I don't really know what you've done to push anyone or to push the game forward.
I might be tunneled atm but I been pushing grack all day was pushing Koshi yesterday.
Why would scum!Grack defend town!Koshi early d1?
Easy town credit especially that early.
But what about all of the other people that also defended Koshi?
On December 28 2016 04:46 Grackaroni wrote: I don't understand how Koshi is town reading LS. He came back recently and he was still focused entirely on Koshi's first post.
He's probably the most likely mafia at this point.
You be suprised how hard I can tunnel as town.
Yet you haven't tunneled anyone.
You also added onto Koshi's case on Grack with a bad point onto a case that was already bad. Outside of that, I don't really know what you've done to push anyone or to push the game forward.
I do not like this post.
I do.
should have specified: I dont mind the first sentence. I really do not like the second.
On December 28 2016 04:46 Grackaroni wrote: I don't understand how Koshi is town reading LS. He came back recently and he was still focused entirely on Koshi's first post.
He's probably the most likely mafia at this point.
You be suprised how hard I can tunnel as town.
Yet you haven't tunneled anyone.
You also added onto Koshi's case on Grack with a bad point onto a case that was already bad. Outside of that, I don't really know what you've done to push anyone or to push the game forward.
I do not like this post.
I do.
should have specified: I dont mind the first sentence. I really do not like the second.
I should go to bed. specifically i dislike the "Outside of that, I don't really know what you've done to push anyone or to push the game forward." because i feel it is not true at all
Yea okay you've now used three posts to tell us you don't like it. Why is it not true? Who/what has he pushed that have been original points?
On December 27 2016 12:11 LightningStrike wrote: I going to put a vote on Koshi for right now because his opening was pure shit and not like any town opening I remember him doing. ##Vote: Koshi
On December 27 2016 12:15 LightningStrike wrote: I also really liking ExO already too he trying to push a town agenda and get this game rolling off the bat.
On December 27 2016 14:05 LightningStrike wrote: Tbh Grack's defense of Koshi is a little bit strange can't remember if he did the same thing regarding me in my very first game together. Anyways I think we should leave Slam alone and see what he does because one of the ways Geript had a good read on to Slam is if Slam does his own thing which would mean he would be town so I rather see what he does later.
On December 28 2016 11:04 LightningStrike wrote: I too think Grack is potential mafia too due to how when I was hard pushing you Koshi earlier he kept trying to steer it away to Slam who we both know is harder to read based on pure pushing.
Really?
The original Koshi push was a follow up of ExO's push.
There's a bunch of duplicate town reads on ExO
And then 2 posts on my Koshi post that DF (and I) already addressed.
Now here's an experiment for you. Go through my filter just starting around page 5 or 6 and make a comparison.
On December 29 2016 08:26 beentheredonethat wrote:
On December 29 2016 08:24 ExO_ wrote:
On December 29 2016 08:21 beentheredonethat wrote: Oh c'mon. Yes, I confirmed 2 days ago. Then, I had christmas dinner with gf's family, spent a nice time with her, she went home to my place with me and we continued having a nice time. Nail me on that if you feel like it and don't believe that I genuinely forgot about this game, okay. But lynching into me is the easiest thing to do for scum at this point.
Check my last town game and check my activity level there. I can and will contribute for town in the exact same way if you give me the chance to do so.
There's no way I will catch up in the like what 30 minutes or so we have until deadline. Tictock, the whole reason behind you voting me is that my vote was randomly cast on you.I checked if there was a main wagon, there wasn't, so I voted randomly.
More important even: as there seemingly aren't any clear wagons and town feels confident in lynching into afk/lurky players, I fear that mafia is currently in the driving seat of this game. Which leads my gut to Koshi who went under the radar pretty much ALWAYS when town was on the wrong track. I correctly read him as scum once already so I guess it's worth something. Koshi has 1 filter, compared to his last town game of D1 that's horrendous. Also note Time Traveler's vote on me and keep a close look on ANYONE that voted me early as I am right now a very low hanging fruit for mafia and lazy town alike.
you have 2 posts in this game, that you confirmed in to. You promising to be active now doesn't really convince me you will be.
Why are you just coming out and voting now that its been mentioned you need 3 posts?
Because I went to teamliquid.net to see if I'm going to get lynched and actually care about this game?
On December 28 2016 06:23 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] You be suprised how hard I can tunnel as town.
Yet you haven't tunneled anyone.
You also added onto Koshi's case on Grack with a bad point onto a case that was already bad. Outside of that, I don't really know what you've done to push anyone or to push the game forward.
I do not like this post.
I do.
should have specified: I dont mind the first sentence. I really do not like the second.
I should go to bed. specifically i dislike the "Outside of that, I don't really know what you've done to push anyone or to push the game forward." because i feel it is not true at all
Yea okay you've now used three posts to tell us you don't like it. Why is it not true? Who/what has he pushed that have been original points?
On December 27 2016 12:11 LightningStrike wrote: I going to put a vote on Koshi for right now because his opening was pure shit and not like any town opening I remember him doing. ##Vote: Koshi
On December 27 2016 12:15 LightningStrike wrote: I also really liking ExO already too he trying to push a town agenda and get this game rolling off the bat.
On December 27 2016 14:05 LightningStrike wrote: Tbh Grack's defense of Koshi is a little bit strange can't remember if he did the same thing regarding me in my very first game together. Anyways I think we should leave Slam alone and see what he does because one of the ways Geript had a good read on to Slam is if Slam does his own thing which would mean he would be town so I rather see what he does later.
On December 28 2016 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 28 2016 03:45 disformation wrote: I like GB. I like Koshi liking GB. I dislike Koshi liking ExO_
but tbh Im just policy voting ExO_ :D
Pretty terrible policy vote tbh. I think he's more likely town than scum at this point and we shouldn't lynch him.
On December 28 2016 10:35 LightningStrike wrote: Nothing really was going on and post game of the other game just started. @Darth thoughts on Koshi?
On December 28 2016 11:04 LightningStrike wrote: I too think Grack is potential mafia too due to how when I was hard pushing you Koshi earlier he kept trying to steer it away to Slam who we both know is harder to read based on pure pushing.
Really?
The original Koshi push was a follow up of ExO's push.
There's a bunch of duplicate town reads on ExO
And then 2 posts on my Koshi post that DF (and I) already addressed.
Now here's an experiment for you. Go through my filter just starting around page 5 or 6 and make a comparison.
I dont think LS filter will ever look like one of yours regardless of alignment. If only based on the fact that he isnt posting as much. But I think I feel actually better not lynching you.
That's a fair point. But I've definitely had games where I've gotten strong town feelings from LS before and this just isn't one of those for me.
I think we're in a much better spot than it appears. There's going to be a lot of information from people reacting during the uncertain periods of the lynch.
I'll take responsibility for the Koshi lynch. I had expected LS to be the one to get lynched, as there were lots of people that had either town read Koshi or had him on a list of people they wouldn't lynch day 1. I got cold feet on the Koshi lynch when Chez/Btdt joined the Koshi lynch and nobody else jumped on LS or any other lynch.
The primary goal thing should be explained if you look back at when I first came back to the thread during the second half of day 1. Koshi's response was bothering me and then he issued a challenge for me to lynch him.
Ok I have read through all of the filters. LS still looks very scummy and I think it is a massive red flag that Koshi got lynched over him. I think my case on LS should have gained more traction than it did. I also think that if Koshi and LS were being viewed as equally scummy then normally the lynch would land on LS.
I actually think ExO came out very townie from the lynch. He was the only person that fully took control during all of the waffling and pushed through who he wanted to be lynched, which was consistent from his earlier posts.
GlowingBear has seemed pretty townie to me. However, he said that he would sheep me and never moved his vote. He loses points for that. I think that if he had moved his vote then LS would have been more likely to have been lynched. Also I may be biased because he defended me at the end of the day.
I think TT looks quite bad from the lynch. He started out calling Koshi very townie but he offered no real defense of him when Chezinu and BtDt voted to lynch him.
On December 28 2016 15:02 Tictock wrote: I started this post over twice kus I both want to let Grack and Koshi get into it, yet I also feel like I want to weigh in. Koshi is towny AF and Grack could easily be mafia. However, I do rather like Gracks rundowns of the game.
I'm setteling in to reread Dis now but I'd also like to point out how incredibly shit GB's last batch of posts were.
On December 29 2016 08:43 Time Traveler wrote: BtDt, be honest, you just want to lynch me because I voted you without saying anything and caused all this mess by accident. And now you're like "OMG. THIS GUY ALMOST GOT ME KILLED. #DOWNWITHHIM
Your vote was quite opportunistic and have not really brought any scum hunting to the table yourself.
Honestly if it weren't for this being your first game you would probably be the lynch right now. That is the only thing holding me back ATM and I'm wondering if that isn't completely wrong right now.
I'm also not terribly keen on D1 lynching Koshi as I don't think he has really been scummy at all. He has fooled me in the past though....bleh.
On December 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote: Meh not sure where the vote count is at. If we are actually between LS and Koshi then I'm going with LS.
He also joins in with a bunch of other people blaming me for the Koshi lynch, when I had at least made a case for voting LS over Koshi.
I think Disfo is still pretty scummy. During the end of the day he seemed to be trying to just keep all of his options open. He spent a lot of time waffling on me and never gave any kind of a definitive read.
Also, a lot of Disfo's EoD was spent defending LS. When DF asked him to specify which contributions LS had made that Disfo had liked, I think his list was just incredibly bad.
On December 28 2016 04:46 Grackaroni wrote: I don't understand how Koshi is town reading LS. He came back recently and he was still focused entirely on Koshi's first post.
He's probably the most likely mafia at this point.
You be suprised how hard I can tunnel as town.
Yet you haven't tunneled anyone.
You also added onto Koshi's case on Grack with a bad point onto a case that was already bad. Outside of that, I don't really know what you've done to push anyone or to push the game forward.
I do not like this post.
I do.
should have specified: I dont mind the first sentence. I really do not like the second.
I should go to bed. specifically i dislike the "Outside of that, I don't really know what you've done to push anyone or to push the game forward." because i feel it is not true at all
Yea okay you've now used three posts to tell us you don't like it. Why is it not true? Who/what has he pushed that have been original points?
On December 27 2016 12:11 LightningStrike wrote: I going to put a vote on Koshi for right now because his opening was pure shit and not like any town opening I remember him doing. ##Vote: Koshi
On December 27 2016 12:15 LightningStrike wrote: I also really liking ExO already too he trying to push a town agenda and get this game rolling off the bat.
On December 27 2016 14:05 LightningStrike wrote: Tbh Grack's defense of Koshi is a little bit strange can't remember if he did the same thing regarding me in my very first game together. Anyways I think we should leave Slam alone and see what he does because one of the ways Geript had a good read on to Slam is if Slam does his own thing which would mean he would be town so I rather see what he does later.
On December 28 2016 11:04 LightningStrike wrote: I too think Grack is potential mafia too due to how when I was hard pushing you Koshi earlier he kept trying to steer it away to Slam who we both know is harder to read based on pure pushing.
He also had stated that he wasn't interested in lynching Koshi today, and never pushed forward his own alternative.
Super put in some analysis posts, but overall he's just seemed very blendy to me. I don't think that's a good sign since during the periods he was here there was a lot of focus on my arguments with Koshi. I think it could have been advantageous for scum to blend in during that period. Plus I think Superbia is a player that usually draws some attention to himself through his shit posting, and he may have received the least amount of attention so far this game. I think he has a pretty decent chance of being mafia.
Time Traveler said that he was going to filter people and he only made it through LS. He openly threw away his vote at the end of the day as a null vote. I don't know really what to make of him and I don't know if this is his normal play style or not. Strangely enough I don't view him as a likely partner of LS because LS' filter was the only one he looked at and he didn't like it.
On December 29 2016 08:21 beentheredonethat wrote: Oh c'mon. Yes, I confirmed 2 days ago. Then, I had christmas dinner with gf's family, spent a nice time with her, she went home to my place with me and we continued having a nice time. Nail me on that if you feel like it and don't believe that I genuinely forgot about this game, okay. But lynching into me is the easiest thing to do for scum at this point.
Check my last town game and check my activity level there. I can and will contribute for town in the exact same way if you give me the chance to do so.
There's no way I will catch up in the like what 30 minutes or so we have until deadline. Tictock, the whole reason behind you voting me is that my vote was randomly cast on you.I checked if there was a main wagon, there wasn't, so I voted randomly.
More important even: as there seemingly aren't any clear wagons and town feels confident in lynching into afk/lurky players, I fear that mafia is currently in the driving seat of this game. Which leads my gut to Koshi who went under the radar pretty much ALWAYS when town was on the wrong track. I correctly read him as scum once already so I guess it's worth something. Koshi has 1 filter, compared to his last town game of D1 that's horrendous. Also note Time Traveler's vote on me and keep a close look on ANYONE that voted me early as I am right now a very low hanging fruit for mafia and lazy town alike.
These seem like bold conclusions for somebody who admitted that he has not read the game at all. Especially the part about Koshi going under the radar when town was off track. There could have been decent cases put out that he had just not read.
I don't like that his first reaction was that he didn't feel comfortable making a judgement without reading the thread and wanted to throw away his vote, and then when people voted for him he came back with very strong conclusions about Koshi's alignment. I think it's possible for Btdt to have gotten strong conclusions from reading Koshi's filter. It seems a little off to me.
However, the last time I saw btdt as scum he posted a lot less than he has here and his posting seemed more uncomfortable to me. I'm going to mark him as null.
I have to speed this up faster than I would like because I have to go soon. DF said earlier that he didn't want to lynch Koshi on day 1. However, his read progression seemed natural enough to me and he's made a lot of contributions that I liked.
I think we all know where I stand on LS. Disfo made a post saying that last game LS disappeared when he was under pressure and that he did the same thing this game. I think that's a good post. You can add that on to what I've said on him.
On December 30 2016 06:58 disformation wrote: No LS didnt disappear when he was under pressure. he just went afk like 2h before deadline, after saying the main wagon is town cause meta and trying a little bit to get ppl to vote with koshi and him on another guy who turned out to be town.
Yeah you're right he was gone way earlier than I had remembered. I thought I remembered him being there at EoD.
On December 30 2016 04:43 Grackaroni wrote: Ok I have read through all of the filters. LS still looks very scummy and I think it is a massive red flag that Koshi got lynched over him. I think my case on LS should have gained more traction than it did. I also think that if Koshi and LS were being viewed as equally scummy then normally the lynch would land on LS.
I actually think ExO came out very townie from the lynch. He was the only person that fully took control during all of the waffling and pushed through who he wanted to be lynched, which was consistent from his earlier posts.
GlowingBear has seemed pretty townie to me. However, he said that he would sheep me and never moved his vote. He loses points for that. I think that if he had moved his vote then LS would have been more likely to have been lynched. Also I may be biased because he defended me at the end of the day.
I think TT looks quite bad from the lynch. He started out calling Koshi very townie but he offered no real defense of him when Chezinu and BtDt voted to lynch him.
On December 28 2016 15:02 Tictock wrote: I started this post over twice kus I both want to let Grack and Koshi get into it, yet I also feel like I want to weigh in. Koshi is towny AF and Grack could easily be mafia. However, I do rather like Gracks rundowns of the game.
I'm setteling in to reread Dis now but I'd also like to point out how incredibly shit GB's last batch of posts were.
On December 29 2016 07:06 Tictock wrote:
On December 29 2016 06:52 Time Traveler wrote: Wait, Grack actually wants Koshi dead after defending him? da fack. Guess I'll have to re-read
It's about half OMGUS based, but he doesn't like that Koshi is pushing him without interacting with him.
It's a fair point honestly, I just don't want to lynch Koshi today.
On December 29 2016 08:49 Tictock wrote:
On December 29 2016 08:43 Time Traveler wrote: BtDt, be honest, you just want to lynch me because I voted you without saying anything and caused all this mess by accident. And now you're like "OMG. THIS GUY ALMOST GOT ME KILLED. #DOWNWITHHIM
Your vote was quite opportunistic and have not really brought any scum hunting to the table yourself.
Honestly if it weren't for this being your first game you would probably be the lynch right now. That is the only thing holding me back ATM and I'm wondering if that isn't completely wrong right now.
I'm also not terribly keen on D1 lynching Koshi as I don't think he has really been scummy at all. He has fooled me in the past though....bleh.
On December 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote: Meh not sure where the vote count is at. If we are actually between LS and Koshi then I'm going with LS.
He also joins in with a bunch of other people blaming me for the Koshi lynch, when I had at least made a case for voting LS over Koshi.
On December 29 2016 08:59 Tictock wrote:
On December 29 2016 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 29 2016 08:56 darthfoley wrote: Why is Grack not voting Koshi after getting lots of us to vote Koshi?
I'm feeling nervous about how easily this lynch is happening when so many people were hard townreading Koshi when I started posting today.
If Koshi flips Town you are getting scrutinized to all hell tomorrow.
He did nothing to prevent the Koshi lynch. He didn't even move his vote. That's scummy.
I realized I'm going to have to break this post up into many parts.
Idk his play just reminded me of how i felt near EoD. Also tbf the posts about Koshi being very townie were relatively early on in the game, similar to when I said I wouldn't lynch Koshi on D1. I don't really understand why you view our two similar plays so differently?
No TT was still town reading him. TT had a post saying that Koshi was not very scummy 11 minutes before lynch, but "he fooled me in the past. . . bleh."
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On January 03 2017 09:01 disformation wrote: timeline VCA addendum for timeline. Koshi (7) : ExO_, Chezinu, darthfoley, beentheredonethat, GlowingBear, Grackaroni, disformation
Okay. So the idea is that scum is less likely to start/open a new wagon, but rather hops onto a wagon for easy/sheepy reasons. Since there was no counter wagon and only wagons with 2-3 ppl, I'd say that means the first 3 ppl are slightly less likely to be scum. Overall there are 1-2 scum on that wagon. So tldr: I am pretty sure there is 1+ scummer in btdt, gb, grack, me
out of these four grack looks the worst (to me), as I already explained (yes he basically invented the wagon, but he also had to be basically reminded to vote koshi, as he was supposed to be according to what he said/did D1). gb and me just hopped on at the very end for consolidation. doesnt actually give a lot of info, esp on GB who was afk leading up to EoD. chez also had a really suspect reason to vote koshi, but at least he did so fairly early. for btdt there is the question why he was so against lynching LS and for darth why he went from lynching into the nulls into lynching ls/koshi.
I'm being pressured to analyze things by forces unknown.
These reads are really shallow, inconsistent, and scummy. For one thing, I tried to start multiple wagons during the end of the day. A wagon on LS didn't take because other people wanted Koshi. I think there might be reasons for that but maybe I'm wrong. Looking at only the final vote count to see who tried to push forward a lynch is a total distortion of what happened during the end of the day.
Also, the only people that "jumped onto a wagon for easy sheepy reasons" are the people that Disfo has written off because they did it for "consolidation."
I'm also at a general loss for how he ignores that I tried to lynch his #2 scum read at the end of the day. What more could I have possibly done to make myself townie?
On January 03 2017 16:37 Grackaroni wrote: Chezinu save yourself!
:'( Gracky.. I no hop on you and repeat them words with another name..
It is ok... I have survived many nukes in the past... One time a nuke came after me and it was bussed to someone else before day ended and I lived. Another time a nuke came after me and it was a dud.
I DON'T WANNA GET NUKED!!!!
##Anti-Nuke
save the chez.. nuke the...
Don't worry Chezinu. I have recently consumed a potion. They told me, Grackaroni, this is not for drinking purposes! But I said, "No, I must drinks it."
I can feel the strength coursing through my veins. So grand are my powers. But I must wait for tomorrow to unveil my burgeoning strength.
Right now we must seek a scientific solution. I'll be in the chamber of understanding.
Let this be a formal invitation to join the House of Brown. Here is our secret symbol:
To start your initiation, you must send the image to me via paper plane. Otherwise, I won't be able to know that it is you. Intruders are dealt with most harshly. Once the first step is completed, I will consult further with the gatekeepers.
Of course, there are a few strings that I must pull. Sacrifices must be made to extend such an invitation. But If this is anything like the Palmar game, I believe I can make this happen.
On January 03 2017 09:47 disformation wrote: cant sleep. actually superbia got dat super hipster scumread on darth. you remember? the one nobody got? shame he wont be around to try and explain again.
flipping my town lean on df to a SR. to see if scum shoots me n2 for that. =D
still think ls vs grack should be resolved first.
I will double check his filter if he did scumread df before his death.
On January 03 2017 09:54 LightningStrike wrote: I can confirm what you said about Superbia scumreading df before his death disformation he kpet questioning why people were townreading him.
I kinda like that he went and double checked and didnt blindly trust me. implies he doesnt know my alignment. not too hard to fake, but I want to give him half a townie brownie.
On January 03 2017 09:01 disformation wrote: timeline VCA addendum for timeline. Koshi (7) : ExO_, Chezinu, darthfoley, beentheredonethat, GlowingBear, Grackaroni, disformation
Okay. So the idea is that scum is less likely to start/open a new wagon, but rather hops onto a wagon for easy/sheepy reasons. Since there was no counter wagon and only wagons with 2-3 ppl, I'd say that means the first 3 ppl are slightly less likely to be scum. Overall there are 1-2 scum on that wagon. So tldr: I am pretty sure there is 1+ scummer in btdt, gb, grack, me
out of these four grack looks the worst (to me), as I already explained (yes he basically invented the wagon, but he also had to be basically reminded to vote koshi, as he was supposed to be according to what he said/did D1). gb and me just hopped on at the very end for consolidation. doesnt actually give a lot of info, esp on GB who was afk leading up to EoD. chez also had a really suspect reason to vote koshi, but at least he did so fairly early. for btdt there is the question why he was so against lynching LS and for darth why he went from lynching into the nulls into lynching ls/koshi.
I'm being pressured to analyze things by forces unknown.
These reads are really shallow, inconsistent, and scummy. For one thing, I tried to start multiple wagons during the end of the day. A wagon on LS didn't take because other people wanted Koshi. I think there might be reasons for that but maybe I'm wrong. Looking at only the final vote count to see who tried to push forward a lynch is a total distortion of what happened during the end of the day.
Also, the only people that "jumped onto a wagon for easy sheepy reasons" are the people that Disfo has written off because they did it for "consolidation."
I'm also at a general loss for how he ignores that I tried to lynch his #2 scum read at the end of the day. What more could I have possibly done to make myself townie?
Didnt like this post at all. Calls all my reads garbage (discredit attempt noted) and then 99% of his complaints are essentially complaining about me misrepresenting him. Then he doesnt vote me.
I did look at the progression of votes in my other posts. For the evaluation of the timeline when ppl ended up voting for koshi you obv only look at the votes that stayed on koshi.
Also don't get the complain about writing of GB and me... Not doing VCA on me, I already know my alignment + Show Spoiler +
town
. GB wasnt there at _all_. No idea what info I should get there.
Yeah, I wish I had gained some better/more concrete results from all my posts, but thats what I got.
At least Grack probably isn't scum with LS. Or the other way around for that matter.
On January 03 2017 09:01 disformation wrote: for btdt there is the question why he was so against lynching LS and for darth why he went from lynching into the nulls into lynching ls/koshi.
I want these ppl to actually say something about that.
You keep trying to find these little things to defend LS. Every time he's come online so far he's looked to me like he was about to shit himself.
The GB/You thing isn't about my thoughts on people I was questioning your logic.
Here's what you wrote in the post: These 3 people are town because they tried to start a wagon. The people we need to be looking at are these four people that voted for sheepy reasons. GB and I voted to consolidate, so no info there. Grack originally started the wagon but then he wanted a different wagon on my #2 scum read. He seems like a sheep. This is the best vote imo.
On January 03 2017 09:01 disformation wrote: timeline VCA addendum for timeline. Koshi (7) : ExO_, Chezinu, darthfoley, beentheredonethat, GlowingBear, Grackaroni, disformation
Okay. So the idea is that scum is less likely to start/open a new wagon, but rather hops onto a wagon for easy/sheepy reasons. Since there was no counter wagon and only wagons with 2-3 ppl, I'd say that means the first 3 ppl are slightly less likely to be scum. Overall there are 1-2 scum on that wagon. So tldr: I am pretty sure there is 1+ scummer in btdt, gb, grack, me
out of these four grack looks the worst (to me), as I already explained (yes he basically invented the wagon, but he also had to be basically reminded to vote koshi, as he was supposed to be according to what he said/did D1). gb and me just hopped on at the very end for consolidation. doesnt actually give a lot of info, esp on GB who was afk leading up to EoD. chez also had a really suspect reason to vote koshi, but at least he did so fairly early. for btdt there is the question why he was so against lynching LS and for darth why he went from lynching into the nulls into lynching ls/koshi.
My summary is pretty much exactly what you wrote in your vote count analysis. With the exception that you describe me favoring a LS lynch as me needing to be reminded to vote for Koshi.
On January 03 2017 18:49 disformation wrote: I don't understand your problem. Scum more likely in btdt, gb, grack, me. You look the worst, as I already explained. The brackets try to explain why you dont get cred. for "inventing" the koshi wagon. I'm town. Yes, GB looks more scummy for the timing, but he was legit afk as fuck, making that line of argument pretty NAI.
I still want btdt to answer my question. Though maybe I was cutting him too much of a slack. He was strangely confident in koshi being scum, after just coming in and playing for like an hour.
On January 03 2017 18:58 disformation wrote: So my problem is basically: You push koshi of omgus. I wasnt a huge fan, but okay that happens to town. Koshi not happening you push LS. Still a bit waffly on LS (which is why I am trying to find his alignment so hard). And that is okay too.
The weird things that dont end up are really this EoD posts. Where you are like: "I think LS is the better lynch" "But I really wanted to lynch Koshi today" "But now I have cold feet on Koshi" "well lets vote him regardless"
Ok this is a better explanation of your read.
I spent a lot of time earlier in the day trying to lynch Koshi because he was bugging me. I think I was fairly transparent about that in my posts. Obviously I also thought there was a pretty decent chance he would be mafia.
When I said lynching him was my primary goal for the day I was referencing that.
For the 3rd post, I explained earlier in my analysis posts. I thought/think it was pretty concerning that people were choosing Koshi over LS. I had been trying to lynch LS by the end of the day. The wagon was started by Btdt and Chezinu, neither of which looked particularly townie. The lynch ending up being not even close. There were also quite a few people that liked Koshi earlier in the day that never spoke up to defend him.
Plus Chezinu was thinking something similar during the time, and he doesn't even have to wonder about Chezinu's alignment.
On December 29 2016 08:48 Chezinu wrote: Where are the mafia counter wagons?!?!?!
Plus I've done plenty of scum hunting already. The only changes to my list I would make is that TT has moved way up on my town list through very mysterious circumstances, and Superbia has been violently ejected from the game.
On January 03 2017 19:18 Grackaroni wrote: Plus I've done plenty of scum hunting already. The only changes to my list I would make is that TT has moved way up on my town list through very mysterious circumstances, and Superbia has been violently ejected from the game.
I kinda feel that with that list you should be trying harder to get either LS or me lynched?
I was hoping to build some pressure on Slam to play the game.
Cancel that no read adjustments. I'm getting some new thoughts right now but it requires Darthfoley being a super mafia. I'm going to have to sleep on it.
On January 04 2017 01:10 disformation wrote: and a bunch of stuff you/btdt/grack have been posting.
I'll try to moderate my play to be less off putting. At the same time I find it really funny that the most egregious case of bad behavior you guys could come up with was HF calling somebody a moron.
On January 04 2017 01:13 darthfoley wrote: You haven't seen a horribly unfriendly tone until you walk into a bar with HolyFlare, Calix and NeverUnlucky
hf isnt unfriendly hes direct. calix and nu are only asshats to each other.
I have hosted games where Holyflare literally said "You moron" and NU was warned for hostile behaviour towards other players.
You have observed at least one of these games.
We've gotten so much stricter recently on hostile behavior. This guy might be the most toxic rager I have ever seen on the internet, and he made it to 5k posts:
I've been thinking about the game where Disfo/Mderg/Shapelog were mafia and I tunneled HF for the final day while all of you guys disappeared from thread for the entire cycle.
I looked over LS' last scum game and he was giving out way more town reads during the start of that game than he did here. At the same time, this should be pretty disconcerting. I'll read through more games of his later.
On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote: kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably
Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive?
What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what?
My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote.
Which is to say he's acting like town.
Also why you think it would come from town instead of scum? I not quite following your thought process for this.
I said town-like, not necessarily town. Since town's interest lies in getting correct lynches, having you around (as I read him) means that sooner or later you're going to say/do something stupid to get people to think you're scum and get lynched. A lynch that could have gone to someone more red. By being night killed it solves that problem ahead of time.
From my time in a scum chat I couldn't see them taking you out anyway assuming you are town. So it's harmless banter.
Misunderstanding on my part there. To tell you the truth I been night killed 4 out of my last like 5/6 games as town and I wasn't even blue in any of them and 2 of the times it was sicklucker on the scum team. I not really a good lynch Day 1 since I show myself to be town better as the game gets on in fact if it get past Day 2 I practically unlynchable as I only been mislynched once past Day 2 as town and that was in LYLO in my 4th game But since we talking about being night killed solved the problem ahead don't you think it be weird for scum to kill someone who doesn't look good?
I guess I'd be willing to lynch ExO just for the discrepancy between the amount of effort he put into the game during the start of the game and his lack of involvement since then after being town read.
During the night I was put on a brown scum team with TT and DF. At the start of day 2 we found out that it was not a real scum team but we are still with each other in a QT.
On January 05 2017 05:18 disformation wrote: okay, thanks. why didnt you tell the thread? but yeah feel free catching up. I think ill take a small break, trying to think
because I knew I would have to spend the rest of this cycle explaining it to people and I was already under a lot of pressure from the previous day.
On January 05 2017 06:39 disformation wrote: that wording is pretty strong. explanation would be great.
I mostly just recall TT's play looking a lot scummier to me after we became a team. I think he spent a lot of time trying to force interactions with me during n1, so his play just seemed like a pretty big shift after getting a scum PM. Plus there are some posts in the QT that make me think he is town, and I had thought he was town already during day 1.
If he hadn't been on my team during n1 I wouldn't have put him down as a scum read in my n1 reads.
On January 05 2017 06:29 Grackaroni wrote: I still think ExO may be a good lynch. Between DF and Btdt I would lynch btdt mostly based off gut.
I'll vouch for TT being a townie. I don't think he should ever be lynched this game.
Why aren't you affording me such a defense?
You've been townie in my scum QT but you're also a lot sneakier. You've already lied about using an item, and you lied about the wording of the PM you got (mine said brown, DF's didn't but he told me that it did.)
You've been really quick on your feet through both of those lies.
The thing I said about thoughts on DF earlier isn't all that applicable anymore. It was partly a realization that DF was actually one of the decisive votes on Koshi (going from 2-2-2 to 3-2-1) and also some concern out of a possible Superbia role block.
On January 05 2017 06:54 Grackaroni wrote: Also I told you in the QT that I wanted to pressure slam into posting reads and that I wanted you to vote slam. You came into the thread and posted:
On January 03 2017 11:55 darthfoley wrote: Grack with the Alakaslam ninja vote
Well you did ninja vote.
All of that stuff sounds problematic out of context, but it makes more sense in context. Thanks for not providing the context!
But you knew exactly why I was voting for Slam.
Here's the context. I had said that if one of us dies then we're all probably going to be traced back as the scum team from our brown discussion because my role was the Father Son and Holy Ghost of Brown. I asked if your PM was also brown and you said it was.
You said in the chat that you were going to use your item. After our team got dissolved you said that you didn't use it because you thought we were on a separate scum team from us because of the role PM. Actually the fact that you are telling us that you didn't use the item should be a good sign.
Still, my point stands about you being teh sneakies.
On January 05 2017 07:22 beentheredonethat wrote: This sucks. We lynch ExO because he is not here.
darthfoley, you said lynching Slam is bad because a flip wouldn't give information and a town flip would be really bad. What is different to ExO flipping town and where's the difference in ExO flipping scum?
On January 05 2017 07:35 LightningStrike wrote: hmm this qt stuff just got weird now apparantly grack got kicked out of it while a new person joined? What the hell is going on this game.
There is someone called "Disciple of Brown" in our QT, saying mysterious things
On January 05 2017 07:46 Grackaroni wrote: I think I would be ok with any of the following:
ExO LS TimeTraveler Slam Btdt.
So that's not a very good place to be.
We share 2 out of 4. Wondering though, you said Slam is a bad lynch yet you are fine with an ExO lynch which in my eyes has the same result. I asked already but would you mind to explain the difference?
I don't think I said that Slam would be a bad lynch. I think he's a fine lynch.
On January 05 2017 08:33 beentheredonethat wrote: We have a claim We have a counter-claim
By all rules, we should lynch into LightningStrike here. But it's a bastard game and I can easily see this being town v town especially because of what I sent to disformation
On January 05 2017 10:07 disformation wrote: for example i think the item mechanic is super bs.
half because i am suoer tired and should be sleeping for 3 hours by now. half because i am on phone and it takes me ages to load a songle page, so my chance at an item is 0 and that means scum prolly gets all the items.
lol I went for the dentures really quickly and they didn't do anything. They fit very nicely though. It's a very nice smile.
I think I can already answer the Ouija board question.
Chezinu is mafia.
During the end of the day there were a lot of flavor posts from a new person that entered the Brown QT. The person was role playing heavily and writing paragraphs telling me about a mysterious ring.
Later, the same person made a post with quicker writing asking who to lynch, followed by a deleted post. Afterwards he said that he had fucked up. I think it was pretty clear from the context that he had intended to write in a different QT, and at this point I think it's probably the scum QT.
At first I thought the writer was Shapelog. I think Chezinu is the only other person who would write posts like the ones in the QT. Slam would troll me but I don't think he could make the writing as polished. Also, Chezinu makes sense as the person's identity since I publicly invited him into the QT, and the hosts have already made me brown when I asked them to in thread on day1.
I just kind of pieced this together when I woke up today, so haven't talked to either TT or DF about it yet. Hopefully they can weigh in on it.
On January 06 2017 02:01 Grackaroni wrote: Unless he's TimeTraveler. o.0
Lmao what if ExO was on to him for some reason and that's why he grilled him so hard early on. Timetraveler never answered which site he came from :o
LOL now I am seriously entertaining this idea. In some of these posts it seems like he could be a host trolling us.
On December 27 2016 10:01 Time Traveler wrote: Also, it's not true that we're all VT for sure. Hosts could already have implemented a bill which added new roles.
On December 27 2016 10:01 Time Traveler wrote: Also, it's not true that we're all VT for sure. Hosts could already have implemented a bill which added new roles.
Pretty sure that's not possible, or we'd know.
"These will be added to the game when the phase ends (day/night post)"
We haven't had a phase end yet, so I doubt any bill is implemented
I see. I wonder if I could get punished for not being 100% aware of the Mechanics
This is a 100 word post praising Disformation. He writes a lot of posts. Over twenty pages worth of posts. That is over 400 posts. Also the posts are really long. Sometimes they have analysis in them. I like when they have analysis in them. But not when that analysis implicates me. He also received a seed from Chezinu. Anyone that receives a seed from THE Chezinu must be pretty cool. He is the man to lead us through these dark times. Unless he starts waffling. But that waffle iron thing was cool.
I think that it's time that we lynch LightningStrike. I think it's plausible that he got an investigative role but that doesn't preclude him from being scum. He's supposed to be "unlynchable as town" after day 2 and I don't think there's a single person with a town read on him currently.
I think that I'm currently his only scum read and he hasn't provided a single reason for scum reading me in thread since his reasoning that he posted at the start of day 1 that said I was trying to deflect attention off of Koshi onto Slam.
Also he spent most of day 2 saying he wanted to lynch me and if not me DF. Later he sheeped some reasoning for lynching ExO when the wagon was, at the time, being lead by both me and DF.
Overall he seems to have a lot of trouble coming up with his own reads. He doesn't seem to spend any time reevaluating his reads. I'm not getting town vibes. I think LS should be the lynch.
On January 06 2017 12:07 LightningStrike wrote: I honestly think if Grack is town probably the dumbest person to ever played this game no joke man even worse than MD.
On December 28 2016 11:00 Koshi wrote: ##vote Grackaroni
in 4 pages: I have no clue who he thinks is mafia. I have not seen him push the game forward. (aka brought new interesting topics to discuss with people) I have not seen him try to progress his own reads by asking somebody a question that would further his read on them. He scumreads LS, makes 2 posts on why he is mafia, and then doesn't mention him in the next 20 posts he makes. He townreads ExO when it is safe to do so, and then pushes that read onto people like he discovered that read. While he had nothing to say about ExO the entire game (before he hard townread him).
Probably mafia. Will monitor if he picks up his play.
On December 28 2016 11:04 LightningStrike wrote: I too think Grack is potential mafia too due to how when I was hard pushing you Koshi earlier he kept trying to steer it away to Slam who we both know is harder to read based on pure pushing.
now that I think about you kinda of reeked TMI early on to Koshi and just hopped on his wagon very late when you said you would lynch him but you waited until very close to EoD to actually join that wagon. Also you are misrepresenting me on coming up with my own reads when I shown in this game that I don't trouble with coming up with my own reads. Anyways Grack you better hope I not get the nuke or I will nuke your ass back to 2016 where you belong if you are town.
This is why you can't be town. You haven't given any thought to my alignment since the start of day 1. There's nothing in that Koshi case that could be a relevant reason for lynching me.
The ending to your post is reasoning from disfo that you have already credited to him days ago.
On January 06 2017 11:50 Grackaroni wrote: I think that it's time that we lynch LightningStrike. I think it's plausible that he got an investigative role but that doesn't preclude him from being scum. He's supposed to be "unlynchable as town" after day 2 and I don't think there's a single person with a town read on him currently.
I think that I'm currently his only scum read and he hasn't provided a single reason for scum reading me in thread since his reasoning that he posted at the start of day 1 that said I was trying to deflect attention off of Koshi onto Slam.
Also he spent most of day 2 saying he wanted to lynch me and if not me DF. Later he sheeped some reasoning for lynching ExO when the wagon was, at the time, being lead by both me and DF.
Overall he seems to have a lot of trouble coming up with his own reads. He doesn't seem to spend any time reevaluating his reads. I'm not getting town vibes. I think LS should be the lynch.
##Vote: LS
I don't really care about hwo I voting with to be honest as town I shown this is in multiple games hell check the database for all my games if you have to to see if I do vote with my scumreads at times. I didn't have trouble coming up with my own reads it just sometimes I want to see how others are reading the same person or if I think a peice of meta is right. Anyways we should lynch GlowingBear because GlowingBear claimed Role Cop and said I wasn't blue when I am blue and even today I gave my result and traditionally role cop is a scum role too. Added to the fact that he came in very late EoD when the lynch was coming down. ##Vote: GlowingBear
Why are you using now saying this to argue that he is scum?
On January 06 2017 13:03 Grackaroni wrote: You said earlier that GB's VT check on you made sense because you had just been turned blue during the day post.
On January 06 2017 12:05 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 06 2017 11:50 Grackaroni wrote: I think that it's time that we lynch LightningStrike. I think it's plausible that he got an investigative role but that doesn't preclude him from being scum. He's supposed to be "unlynchable as town" after day 2 and I don't think there's a single person with a town read on him currently.
I think that I'm currently his only scum read and he hasn't provided a single reason for scum reading me in thread since his reasoning that he posted at the start of day 1 that said I was trying to deflect attention off of Koshi onto Slam.
Also he spent most of day 2 saying he wanted to lynch me and if not me DF. Later he sheeped some reasoning for lynching ExO when the wagon was, at the time, being lead by both me and DF.
Overall he seems to have a lot of trouble coming up with his own reads. He doesn't seem to spend any time reevaluating his reads. I'm not getting town vibes. I think LS should be the lynch.
##Vote: LS
I don't really care about hwo I voting with to be honest as town I shown this is in multiple games hell check the database for all my games if you have to to see if I do vote with my scumreads at times. I didn't have trouble coming up with my own reads it just sometimes I want to see how others are reading the same person or if I think a peice of meta is right. Anyways we should lynch GlowingBear because GlowingBear claimed Role Cop and said I wasn't blue when I am blue and even today I gave my result and traditionally role cop is a scum role too. Added to the fact that he came in very late EoD when the lynch was coming down. ##Vote: GlowingBear
Why are you using now saying this to argue that he is scum?
At the time we didn't have btdt claim cop and I was on mobile at the time too so I didn't bother with it and forgot about it when I got home after.
I'm referring to this:
On January 05 2017 08:10 LightningStrike wrote: I wish I could prove my blue role but I only got this day phase so my earliest stuff with my role would come day 3 :/
On January 06 2017 13:03 Grackaroni wrote: You said earlier that GB's VT check on you made sense because you had just been turned blue during the day post.
On January 06 2017 12:05 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 06 2017 11:50 Grackaroni wrote: I think that it's time that we lynch LightningStrike. I think it's plausible that he got an investigative role but that doesn't preclude him from being scum. He's supposed to be "unlynchable as town" after day 2 and I don't think there's a single person with a town read on him currently.
I think that I'm currently his only scum read and he hasn't provided a single reason for scum reading me in thread since his reasoning that he posted at the start of day 1 that said I was trying to deflect attention off of Koshi onto Slam.
Also he spent most of day 2 saying he wanted to lynch me and if not me DF. Later he sheeped some reasoning for lynching ExO when the wagon was, at the time, being lead by both me and DF.
Overall he seems to have a lot of trouble coming up with his own reads. He doesn't seem to spend any time reevaluating his reads. I'm not getting town vibes. I think LS should be the lynch.
##Vote: LS
I don't really care about hwo I voting with to be honest as town I shown this is in multiple games hell check the database for all my games if you have to to see if I do vote with my scumreads at times. I didn't have trouble coming up with my own reads it just sometimes I want to see how others are reading the same person or if I think a peice of meta is right. Anyways we should lynch GlowingBear because GlowingBear claimed Role Cop and said I wasn't blue when I am blue and even today I gave my result and traditionally role cop is a scum role too. Added to the fact that he came in very late EoD when the lynch was coming down. ##Vote: GlowingBear
Why are you using now saying this to argue that he is scum?
At the time we didn't have btdt claim cop and I was on mobile at the time too so I didn't bother with it and forgot about it when I got home after.
I'm referring to this:
On January 05 2017 08:10 LightningStrike wrote: I wish I could prove my blue role but I only got this day phase so my earliest stuff with my role would come day 3 :/
On January 05 2017 08:29 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 05 2017 08:18 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 05 2017 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 05 2017 08:00 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 05 2017 07:58 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 05 2017 07:56 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 05 2017 07:54 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 05 2017 07:53 GlowingBear wrote: [quote]
He's not. But the sudden change of opinion truly makes me pause.
Anyone thinks grack is Mafia? What do you think, disfo?
I do think grack is mafia.
And what are your other scumreads?
ExO because he playing more of his scum meta than town meta.
Only those two? Are you VT?
Nope I blue check my filter for my claim.
But I'm a town rolecop and I xhexked you and it said you are VT. Why are you lying?
I just turned blue this day phase.
Now you're trying to argue that GB lied about his check on you because it should have showed up blue.
He could easily lied about not appearing blue and was trying to get a easy mislynch on a claimed blue. IF YOU ARE TOWN FUCK YOU AND I WONT EVER PLAY WITH YOU EVER AGAIN AND I WILL DODGE EVERY GAME YOU ENTER.
This is the game, LightningStrike. All I am doing is asking you questions.
On December 24 2016 08:46 Holyflare wrote: There's 1 thing you had to do to not get lynched and that was call kmatt town based on his slip and give an alternative to kmatt THAT WASN'T ME FOR NO REASONS.
I told why I don't think dumb tells nescessary makes someone town you fucking jackass. Go to hell you prick.
2) Voting himself to try to make himself seem townie:
On December 24 2016 00:03 LightningStrike wrote: I NOT FUCKING MAFIA AND YOU KNOW I ONLY VOTE MYSELF AS TOWN YOU IDIOT
3) Shitting on the people pushing him:
On December 24 2016 09:02 LightningStrike wrote: Also I gave a alternative instead you fucking don't even consider sicklucker being mafia Holyflare what are you fucking dumb? How is sicklucker not a alternative?
On December 24 2016 09:02 LightningStrike wrote: For someone who is a lawyer you stupid I surprised you even got to law school because you are that dumb.
On December 24 2016 10:01 LightningStrike wrote: I didn't want to claim doctor unless I absolutely had to and now I did claim deal with it koshi or you want to be known as the worst player on tl mafia history?
4) Trying to play to people's fear of lynching a power role:
On December 24 2016 09:04 LightningStrike wrote: Like if you really want to lynch a blue go ahead that's your choice for being the worst players ever that's fine. continue being bad if you want to be bad.
On December 24 2016 09:50 LightningStrike wrote: Koshi unvote me I am the doctor.
On December 24 2016 09:59 LightningStrike wrote: Sorry guys I hope you guys don't play mafia anymore since you are lynching your doctor.
And he admitted this was all faked to try to get people to unvote:
On December 28 2016 10:34 LightningStrike wrote: To be honest I did read you blue sicklucker but didn't think you were worth killing honestly and was hoping you would save HF instead of Koshi. Unlucky I guess GG WP Town my anger really was fake in fact I actually was laughing my ass off during it lol.
The fact that he's putting more effort into doing these things now than he has put into making posts at any other time during the game make me more confident that he is mafia.
Ok then Btdt was the one that got killed last night. I know because I picked up all of the leftover items from last night's feast as well as all of the unclaimed dead people's items. One of them was the rusty armor. My role makes me distribute all of my items by the end of the day phase.
If I'm right he can only post until half way through this cycle. He can still vote during this phase. He will flip 3 hours before the lynch. Or that might also just be the point where he can no longer change his vote.
On January 07 2017 05:27 Grackaroni wrote: Ok then Btdt was the one that got killed last night. I know because I picked up all of the leftover items from last night's feast as well as all of the unclaimed dead people's items. One of them was the rusty armor. My role makes me distribute all of my items by the end of the day phase.
If I'm right he can only post until half way through this cycle. He can still vote during this phase. He will flip 3 hours before the lynch. Or that might also just be the point where he can no longer change his vote.
Do you chose the targets for the items? If yes: When/Why did you give btdt the armor?
I didn't give btdt the armor. I just got all of the extra items last night.
On January 07 2017 05:27 Grackaroni wrote: Ok then Btdt was the one that got killed last night. I know because I picked up all of the leftover items from last night's feast as well as all of the unclaimed dead people's items. One of them was the rusty armor. My role makes me distribute all of my items by the end of the day phase.
If I'm right he can only post until half way through this cycle. He can still vote during this phase. He will flip 3 hours before the lynch. Or that might also just be the point where he can no longer change his vote.
Do you chose the targets for the items? If yes: When/Why did you give btdt the armor?
I didn't give btdt the armor. I just got all of the extra items last night.
I will choose who to send the items to.
I think I am super confused how your stuff works then.
Like if I get it right you are trying to say that btdt had an armour and will flip soonish? but if you didnt give it to him, why do you know that he has an armour?
Because I received the rusted armor last night. I only got items that weren't picked up in the previous feast or from people that died. I don't think that he lied about having the armor because he knew how it works.
Disfo analysis continues to annoy me. I've been trying to lead lynches in two out of the last three days. Day 2 I was a little lost and looking to sheep someone, but I've still been posting analysis and reads throughout the game.
Also, come on. Grack is scummy because he has too many scum reads. . . . Conclusions: Y'all are some scummy fuckers!
On January 07 2017 06:53 disformation wrote: but im kinda getting annoyed that ppl get super annoyed everytime i think they have done something scummy.
lol if you think I'm bad, look at LS' reaction to me calling him scummy.
When I see reasoning on me being put out that I don't agree with I pretty much have to respond to it instinctively. I feel like there's so many things to read me off of in my filter and you're focusing on all of the wrong things both to scum read and also town read me (with your flipped read on me due to me responding to you.)
On January 07 2017 06:53 disformation wrote: but im kinda getting annoyed that ppl get super annoyed everytime i think they have done something scummy.
lol if you think I'm bad, look at LS' reaction to me calling him scummy.
When I see reasoning on me being put out that I don't agree with I pretty much have to respond to it instinctively. I feel like there's so many things to read me off of in my filter and you're focusing on all of the wrong things both to scum read and also town read me (with your flipped read on me due to me responding to you.)
Fair enough, won't hold it against you. Maybe have to reread your entire filter at one point and try again.
I wouldn't bother. If LS is mafia it will likely be a big waste of time since there's no way we've orchestrated this.
Also if it wasn't your armor it's possible that I was the night kill since I know somebody in my QT used a healing item on me. I believe I have another healing item which I will hand out to someone today.
lol my point isn't that the poll doesn't add up to 100%
The amount of people that would have to have voted in the poll to get numbers like that goes way beyond the plausible number of people who would have voted.
Also this is a bastard game. I shouldn't have to explain why we should focus on analysis over things put out by the host.
On January 08 2017 03:44 beentheredonethat wrote: ... Grackaroni needs to explain why he thought I'd be dead. Yes, I had the rusty armour, correct, but I used it already. By the way this could mean that I was attacked and will flip at the end of this day. However, I got no notification about that. Could be Grack TMI'ing at this point. ...
I've explained it several times already.
I got the rusty armor. I was only supposed to have picked up leftover items from the feast or items of dead players.
On January 08 2017 10:51 disformation wrote: and aight. lets see what the night brings. its not impossible for LS to be scum. I think it somewhat unlikely now. BTDT and tt are like conf. town to me now.
and the way the votes look and stuff I dont think its like tt2, slam, chez. so its gotta be someone more active... which would also kinda explain the way this game was going.
On January 08 2017 10:54 disformation wrote: See thats one of the reasons I think you are scum. You are not even willing to consider a scenario in which LS is town for one second.
On January 08 2017 10:44 disformation wrote: and your reaction to this is scummy as hell.
lol well I'm pretty much done with mafia for a while anyway.
I think LightningStrike's reaction has been atrocious. And if he ends up not being scum then he is still deserving of the policy lynch.
And I'll be leaving my vote there for the rest of the game.
Why are there so many people threatening to not play this game?
This game has such potential but it doesn't matter if nobody plays it.
Yeah sorry I shouldn't write posts like that.
I'm kind of at a loss. This is like the 5th time I've been wrong in this game. I already had my Palmar video lined up to post after the day post because I thought for sure one of you/disfo/btdt had deflected the lynch off of mafia!LS for the second time. As far as I could see the only reasoning put forth for the tt2 lynch was the poll.
On January 09 2017 10:11 disformation wrote: Bandages only delay the death by 1 phase. Not sure if they stack. Might be able to delay death by up to three phases.
On January 09 2017 17:41 disformation wrote: I am blue. But sometimes I wish I would be green so wouldn't have to make difficult decisions and feel the weight of the game on my shoulders all the time. And sometimes I wish I was Black and a Survivor and couldn't give a fuck. Wouldn't mind being Brown so I could see that damn qt.
but screw y'all i'm claiming #4E2A84
Let this be a formal invitation to join the House of Brown. Here is our secret symbol:
To gain admission to the house you must send a description of the symbol via paper plane. I must warn you, all admissions come with a cost. One cannot enter the House of Brown and remain entirely unchanged. Your very identity may be at stake.
Ignoring all of the items and checks I think Chezinu or LS is most likely scum.
I don't think Chez has done any scumhunting this game and from what I've heard he usually starts looking at things at least a little bit by the late game.
On January 10 2017 06:40 GlowingBear wrote: Grack, can you confirm you gave me dentures?
I gave you dentures
I gave disfo a healing potion
I gave btdt some armor
I gave DF a weak tracking thingy
I gave slam a walkie talkie that also does nothing
And I gave LS a miller item that I had for a while but had to get rid of or it would be randomly distributed.
Okay the bolded is weird mainly the randomly distributed portion although yes I did get the item. My Crossbow didn't get randomly distributed at all and I got it day 1. Also the suspicious narcotics didn't say anything about being randomly distributed after a period of time.
That's part of my role for all items, which could be semi-confirmed by TT since I've talked about it in QT nights ago.
On January 11 2017 01:02 disformation wrote: to summarize grack: he started of with a super bleh D1 got SR by koshi made a omgus case on koshi started to play the game as the case went nowhere end of D1 he basically had to be reminded that it would make a lot of sense for him to be voting koshi over LS.
N1 is NAI thanks to house of brown (thx hosts)
D2 i case him. he interacts with me until i waffle off him. he gtfos. EoD2 he likes tt2 and votes ExO_ (kay I did the same). but where was his LS scum read D2?
D3 he starts with the LS thing again and is kinda annoyed we were voting TT2 over LS.
On January 11 2017 08:10 Tictock wrote: Ok it looks like work is gunna be stupid and I may not get a break till after deadline.
I want to share the reason I think Grack is scum that I thought of yesterday.
We had a visitor in House of Brown QT who was pretty clearly a player. In fact we all seemed to assume that it was one of the Mafia due to him breaking Character and asking about who to lynch (very clearly a slip). You guys prob recall Darth talking about it and Grack said yesterday that he believed it was Chez.
Now the last post from Disciple of Brown was last dayphase, and he promised to give us some info at Night. Never have heard from him again.
Now today Grack seems to think that this was Slam.
My issue with all of this is that shouldn't it be SUPER likely that Disciple was Traveler? Traveler gets lynched and Disciple disappears. However Grack seems to believe that Disciple is out there still and he needs to give this ring to whomever it is who played as Disciple in our QT.
So Grack, How do you seem to know that Traveler was not Disciple?
On January 11 2017 08:48 Tictock wrote: It could be Chez, or someone channeling Chez.
The question is, if you think he is scum how are you so sure it wasn't Traveler? Especially given when Disciple's posts stopped.
Because the writing is really clearly not tt2's writing. Chezinu hasn't been posting all that much in thread recently anyway. And I think there was only one post all of last cycle before tt2 died.
On January 11 2017 14:16 Tictock wrote: So Grack the other shit that I think is suspect from our QT...
You were super quick to assume we were not a real scum team.
You also were rather paranoid about any of us flipping as it would implicate the group.
That's not a weird thing to question and if we were brown I thought a brown flip would be easily traceable to the people talking about a brown triangle in thread.
In fact, me being paranoid about the team being found out from my flip makes me less likely to be mafia because that would have been two free mislynches for the other team.
Nobody else has given any possible explanation for there being missing KP except for DF saying that he healed me in the QT, which TT is failing to confirm.
I should pretty much be auto confirmed from it, but I've checked out of this game ever since the failed LS lynch.
On January 12 2017 07:24 Grackaroni wrote: Nobody else has given any possible explanation for there being missing KP except for DF saying that he healed me in the QT, which TT is failing to confirm.
I should pretty much be auto confirmed from it, but I've checked out of this game ever since the failed LS lynch.
Oh well I was going to give you the ring before I saw slam post a gollum video in thread. Then I thought that if I kept the ring I could become gollum.
On January 13 2017 05:17 Grackaroni wrote: I still have no clue who the mafia is lol.
Either it's a Chezinu & Slam team and we've just failed at policy lynching or more likely btdt bussed without expecting TT/Disfo to go with tt2.
So you disagree with my TR on BtDt?
However I am practically confirmed Town to you?
Yea we def should have lynched into Slam/Chez before LyLo.
Dis nuking himself is def being nominated for biggest WTF moment in 2017.
Well I don't have many other places to look.
Either you guys pulled off a miraculous lynch against Chez/slam/tt2 scum team while I was pushing LS or one of you two bussed. I don't think both of you would bus and extend the game with all of the unknown mechanics and I've viewed you as town for a much larger portion of the game.
Scrolling through random pages to get to day 3 left me here:
On January 07 2017 05:05 disformation wrote: Wait. If you did like watch me. and i got like 0 visitors. why the fuck is slam alive?
On January 07 2017 05:06 disformation wrote: ugh fuck. my vig shot was a waffleiron. maybe it has a hidden 50% fail chance?
There's a decent chance that the mods granted Chezinu's in thread doctor request, so that could explain disfo's shot failing. I've been given super powers and made brown from similar in thread requests.
On January 08 2017 05:50 Time Traveler wrote: BtDt, congratulations for being scum!:
You said in page 199 that your scum-reads were Tictock and me. And now you said "Oh LS. That leaves Chez and Time Traveler, seems legit". Ooh! Where did Tictock go? I see an extreme change just for your convenience!
I'm reading through from the start skipping over dead people's posts.
On December 28 2016 14:32 Tictock wrote: Ok first thing, I reread the OP.
Any changes to the game will be formally stated. So for now we are most definitely in a 10v3 scenario.
Second off, I don't believe Super actually died. I think the hosts simply exiled him to an alternate dimension. This also seems like it would be the work of a certain planar dragon...
Discuss.
Oh and Thirdly Chez is Correct we should be sowing more Seeds this game.
There actually were some hints that you were the disciple.
On December 28 2016 03:38 Superbia wrote: More specifically this question seems kinda forced and is never answered/addressed. TT still goes to #1 town on darth's list though.
On December 27 2016 15:28 darthfoley wrote: Ticktock's entrance is definitely different than usual. However, motivated TT also makes me happy.
Anyone feel like ExO is trying a little too hard to scum hunt? I know the D1 lynch thing is becoming a meme, but uber aggression is not what I associated with his town play (from what i've seen).
On December 27 2016 13:12 darthfoley wrote: Yup the votes on Koshi are silly.
Also don't understand why ExO wants a biography about everyone's history of mafia playing. Seems very irrelevant and feels more scummy than towny. I legit don't understand why he's asking people about it.
Yayyy people claiming VT in a game of only VTs! Great plays.
I prefer Grack so far to be most town
This guy gets it.
Darth you are gunna be my buddy this game I can feel it.
Though tbh I don't think anyone has been terribly towny just yet.
sentence one implies i'm towny, sentence two implies no one is towny?
I think he and Grack discussed it and correctly concluded that the second line in my post was in reference to Darth early townread on Grack.
I don't have a ton of time till later tonight so just gunna be doing some catching up and lite posts till then.
I like GB he seems to be having similar thoughts as I did reading through the game. Koshi's return and semi list post feels pretty towny. Traveler also feels ok if a little, uh, formal? I guess.
It's a bit early to tell on Super but the feels are good.
Not sure what to make of Dis at all just yet, he feels like is is not invested in the game or something. Not sure if this is AI or related to him being in the other game.
I need to reread Exo. I like his activity and his responses to pressure, but his reads feel pretty forced to me.
Slam and LS have made little impact imo, actually a bit less sure on LS. Feels weird for LS to jump on board the Koshi vote so fast. Both because Koshi has def said he wants to post less as Town before and kus his view of the game feels oddly focused (kinda same on Exo) for this stage of the game.
So I suppose I'm at Exo/Dis/LS right now.
I dislike how you get to a team of 3 that quickly. =/
Especially since you mention slam but reach no conclusion.
This call-out is also good IMO, because it is actually pretty weird that TT is already making associations
The btdt bus was pulled off really well. I was looking specifically for it because I went into the day assuming TT was town and I still wasn't able to convince myself of it.
On January 14 2017 10:16 LightningStrike wrote: Anyways I taking a 2 month break from TL Mafia unless some of you guys actually want to play with me during my self impose hiatus for stuff I did in the game.
aw come on, you didnt even nuke yourself
No I treated Grack like total crap and I feeling very bad about it.
That's ok. I think it's cool that we can move on to new games without dragging up things from earlier games.
On January 14 2017 10:16 LightningStrike wrote: Anyways I taking a 2 month break from TL Mafia unless some of you guys actually want to play with me during my self impose hiatus for stuff I did in the game.
loooool...
The people that care about not getting yelled at I already scared away. lol.
It was all fine. And I think town!Grack made a case that you were faking it so it didn't even help you.
On January 14 2017 10:16 LightningStrike wrote: Anyways I taking a 2 month break from TL Mafia unless some of you guys actually want to play with me during my self impose hiatus for stuff I did in the game.
loooool...
The people that care about not getting yelled at I already scared away. lol.
It was all fine. And I think town!Grack made a case that you were faking it so it didn't even help you.
On January 09 2017 10:16 LightningStrike wrote: Interesting Night Kill I must say tbh. Also I will know everything about the mace at Midday. Also Slam True of False: You have 0 items on you?
On January 14 2017 11:18 darthfoley wrote: Btw, TT I had a similar idea.
I was Magistrate of Brown in our QT. You were actually quite clever to come up with the Disciple of Brown ploy. I wasn't sure how I was gonna get the ring off of Grack without alerting him to our quest
You fuckers lol. No wonder neither of you were interested in my Chezinu QT scum slip.
You are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost of Brown. You are the Leader of a new mafia team, recently arrived in town. You show up as Town-aligned to Cop checks. Your team mates are darthfoley and Tictock. QT: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/89iWXVWwWMS97
Chezinu is the Traitor. He has been in deep undercover waiting to be contacted upon your arrival. You have a special Ring. This ring may be used to identify yourself to him. To make contact with Chezinu, PM the hosts ##recruit
You are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost of Brown. You are the Leader of a new mafia team, recently arrived in town. You show up as Town-aligned to Cop checks. Your team mates are darthfoley and Tictock. QT: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/89iWXVWwWMS97
Chezinu is the Traitor. He has been in deep undercover waiting to be contacted upon your arrival. You have a special Ring. This ring may be used to identify yourself to him. To make contact with Chezinu, PM the hosts ##recruit
You have done well as a disciple. You have even exhibited the post game trolls.
Original Message From Artanis[Xp]: You are Zombie Kim Jong Il! You managed to create a nuke. Unfortunately, it's very unstable and will self explode within 48 hours, killing you instantly unless you fire it. To nuke someone, simply post ##Nuke Playername in the thread and that player will be nuked at the end of the next deadline. Your teammates are: Dandel Ion, Ace, Oatsmaster, Ghost_403, and MajuGarzett. You can find the QT here: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/EhT7HRZnbFE
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But since we talking about being night killed solved the problem ahead don't you think it be weird for scum to kill someone who doesn't look good?![[image loading]](https://az616578.vo.msecnd.net/files/responsive/embedded/any/desktop/2015/11/25/635840887658214107-1923512079_brass%20key.jpg)
