On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.
What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?
Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.
What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?
Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages
Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour
Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.
Here is what happened;
Calix sr Exo (gif stuff) Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push) Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others)
What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.
What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?
Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages
Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour
Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.
Here is what happened;
Calix sr Exo (gif stuff) Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push) Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others)
What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.
Fact-check. I never stated a scum-read on ExO.
"all pushes are very subjective" - It's Day 1. Of course they are going to be 'subjective'. In fact, almost every single push in the history of mafia is 'subjective'. That doesn't mean you just do nothing since town has to be proactive to gain information, etc etc. This is all very obvious stuff so I won't drone on.
With that in mind, your approach is very hard to understand to me.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.
What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?
Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages
Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour
Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.
Here is what happened;
Calix sr Exo (gif stuff) Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push) Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others)
What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.
What you are doing right now is worse than anything you've complained about, because you should be of the mindset that providing even more unproductive content would only make our situation worse, given your remarks.
Well, Calix is the one to make me explain how NAI stuff is NAI you can blame him for that if you really want to.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
You think it's illogical for me to immediate claim VT before posting a gif?
Give me a break. If anything your attempt to get me to revert to gif posting only and now trying to throw shade on me is indicative of your scum alignment
Please point me to where I 'attempted to get you to revert to gif posting only' if you'd be so kind. You'll note that I specifically said 'I'm glad you are not posting in gifs' (which you then responded to...with a gif...instead of a response)
And yes, it's illogical for town to claim a role and then post a gif in lieu of a coherent response.
If you were actually happy I wasn't posting gifs, why would you bring up the fact that I said I would post primarily gifs? I think any reasonable person realizes that's much more likely to get me to post gifs, than to offer an explanation that will ultimately be irrelevant to the game.
You brought it up in the hopes that I would stick to my word and posts only gifs, instead of helping town. You are scum
I only like darth so far for making sense with his posts while keeping it short and meaningfull.
I hate TT's reads in p15 or something they are literally the worst. He deserves a vote but I'll touch on this a bit later on.
Exo's reads are quite bad aswell but less bad than TT.
Haven't read Rels yet.
Rest is bad and should feel bad for being able to spam this much and actually say nothing of worth. I'm gona vote for a stfu lynch on the biggest filter for now before i actually get a time to read in detail cuz this shit is unacceptable.
On November 03 2016 22:17 Skynx wrote: I only like darth so far for making sense with his posts while keeping it short and meaningfull.
I hate TT's reads in p15 or something they are literally the worst. He deserves a vote but I'll touch on this a bit later on.
Exo's reads are quite bad aswell but less bad than TT.
Haven't read Rels yet.
Rest is bad and should feel bad for being able to spam this much and actually say nothing of worth. I'm gona vote for a stfu lynch on the biggest filter for now before i actually get a time to read in detail cuz this shit is unacceptable.
First entry: Everything here is unproductive and bad. *Posts nothing substantial*
Second entry: Everyone is bad, but drathfoley. *Posts nothing to push the game forward or anything of the sort*
Thanks for "pushing the game forward". You are really good at it.
On November 03 2016 22:22 Rels wrote: Skynx is looking like Tumblewood when he was scum with me and tried to play as incoherently as possible to play the "too weird to be scum" card.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
You think it's illogical for me to immediate claim VT before posting a gif?
Give me a break. If anything your attempt to get me to revert to gif posting only and now trying to throw shade on me is indicative of your scum alignment
Why so defensive, mate? :<
"Give me a break" after two trivial questions is much of an over-exaggeration, mang.
mahrgell (spelled your name right), what do you make of Exo and Calix's lil" chit chat so far? c:
1) I'm very proud you got my name correct this time. Maybe we delay your lynch a few days!
2) Calix: Looked to me like an "let's start the game" thing, I don't share Exo's interpretation that Calix wanted to silence him. This does not tell anything about Calix though. Could be fake activity, considering that those pathetically weak early attempts rarely lead to much information, could also honest interest in starting something. So nothing here.
3) Exo: his retaliation seemed... weird. I don't see a point there. I guess I could consider it something meta'ish that you blindly accuse everyone day1 to be mafia to "apply pressure and get things going". So either minor scumlean or just some broken metashit.
4) conclusion: I consider it for now as TvT, if it is MvT I would lean more in facor of Calix being the townie, I doubt it is MvM, but well... people can prep the most stupid shit before the game... Let's wait and see
PS: if anyone is not a he and wants to be called a she... tell me... Otherwise I use internet rule #1 and consider everyone a male.
Bolded gives two opposite directions of having a lean on Exo. "Wierd and pointless" for a scum perspective for overreaction and "pressure and get the game going" for town perspective. He looks quite uncertain about both regards by his specific wording.
Then this happens:
On November 03 2016 03:59 mahrgell wrote: @Exo so, you are sticking with Calix as your prime scumcandidate?
Exo replies yes. Mahg says nothing.
Mind you this is like the only thing going on in the thread other than Calix vs NU. Then he goes after NU, accusing him of not following up on Exo vote and posts this.
On November 03 2016 04:01 mahrgell wrote: @Foreman Now that you noticed your misread. Are you still going after Calix, or have you shifted your focus on NU? Would the argument you made for Calix also apply to NU? Or where do you see the difference there?
The fact he isn't voting ExO does not make his push any less disingenuous.
Knock knock, Calix is here, asking you to read my NU case like a good dear.
Is my NU case also disingenuous? If so, how?
Considering you've yet to acquit yourself for that shady ExO push, I'm not concerned about your NU push when he isn't even here to respond to it.
Why not? Following multiple leads is not bad for town. And even if we flip Calix in the end, no matter what color it is, having his talking points discussed would be beneficial to town. So I can't understand that refusal to comment on it. Especially as I would be very interested in your opinion.
Don't worry, we won't forget about Calix. And if you feel it got forgotten, ust bring it up later again, if someone wants to balem you for it, just forward it to me.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
Bolded sentence implies a scumread, as if someone thinks a sane person would do something illogical from a town perspective that would suggest it would be a logical move from scum perspective.
This gets noticed, and called out by many including Exo, NU, Foreman and magh? if i remember correctly and see how much defence there is for "I didn't scumread Exo". I'm spoilering them cuz they are just so many. + Show Spoiler +
On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote: Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:
I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth
This is another example of anti-town behaviour which I do not agree with.
That is NOT the same as pro-scum. Allow me to clear that one up.
Some people seem to be misinterpreting my stance on ExO as "scum-lean" when it's not.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should
##Vote Calix
Sheep vote noted.
How is claiming that posting gifs after claiming a role tryhard?
So you accuse me of sheeping, then question my push.
Discredit noted.
Giving somebody crap for not shitting up the thread has a couple different scum motivations behind it:
1) You are going after an easy target for not doing what they said they'd do (after they got some friction about it when they announced it, iirc?)
2) Your post clearly nudged them to return to that practice despite your transparent disclaimer, which would be pro-scum if they were to do so.
You are voting right after I received a vote. There is no discrediting here, only using evidence to draw a conclusion.
Why would I not question your push? I don't consider 'tryhard' to be a scum-tell and wanted to know what your logic was for thinking so.
I am not scum-reading ExO. That's not 'going after an easy target', it's asking for a response to a simple question.
No it didn't. I asked why they weren't doing it. That cannot be interpreted as a subtle nudge to keep doing it in any world.
It's not pro-scum. It's anti-town.
Sheeping is voting using somebody else's reasons. I voted with my own push.
Not the same thing.
If you're not scumreading ExO, your vote is in the wrong place.
Shitting up a thread is pro-scum because it allows scum to more easily hide in the noise it creates.
I may be new to this site, but don't think for a second that means you can bullshit me.
Correction. I am not voting for ExO and you should be suspicious of me if I was given that you (correctly) think I am not scum-reading him.
See my previous response for my take on anti-town/ pro-scum.
On November 03 2016 03:21 NeverUnlucky wrote: Haiii guises, let us keep this atmosphere positive!
I agree with Mr. Foreman and Mr. ExO that Calix's push is not her greatest, and I also agree with Calix that ExO's defensive response looks scummy!
Foreman, may I ask you where you are coming from in terms of community? c:
I'm not pushing ExO. That's being extremely generous.
I never claimed that ExO was scummy, just illogical. I didn't even call him defensive. Where did you get that from?
I said that.
Your quote says "I agree WITH CALIX" which implies that I said "ExO being defensive is scummy" at some point.
Clarify this now, please.
I actually don't agree with the points you've made. ExO's defensive, that's as much as one can say on his subject.
Offski.
I for one do not like NU. His tone seems weird, he makes statements that are factually inaccurate/ putting words into my mouth and then retracts them when called out on them. I don't understand why.
Given that he's just disappeared, I'll wait for a response before concluding anything for sure but he's giving me bad vibes at the moment.
Well 1) I share NU's interpretation of what happened. 2) I appreciate his call for civil communication, from what I read in Cruisetrip he could have also easily heated up the fire without it looking worse than his usual play. 3) But I also agree with you, that it is weird for him to "buddy" you, by pretending you were sharing his self made points. I don't think there is much reason for him to try to appease you.
With regards to Point 2, he is much tamer when he is scum. I'm not claiming that this is a 100% guaranteed tell (he is also busy and this has led to him being more subdued in the past) but it's in the back of my mind.
Well in my opinion, this is how it went down:
- He asks why ExO is being overly defensive. - I call ExO anti-town. - He misrepresented my positions by claiming that he agreed that I was a) scum-reading ExO and b) scum-reading ExO due to being overly defensive. - I ask him where he interpreted this from as those are not my positions. - He denies claiming this. - I tell him that he literally said in his quote "I agree with Calix"
This is where the scummy part is. He immediately backtracks from that position by saying "well I don't agree" and leaves it at that.
That's scummy because this progression could be NU trying to plant ideas inside of my head without actually taking responsibility for having the idea.
This is a compelling explanation because the ExO/ Calix discussion was still going on at this time. Thus, it's possible that he was trying to manipulate me into agreeing that ExO's behaviour is scummy.
It's also possible because I am well-known for getting myself into tunnels so I am a viable target.
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.
What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?
Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages
Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour
Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.
Here is what happened;
Calix sr Exo (gif stuff) Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push) Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others)
What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.
Fact-check. I never stated a scum-read on ExO.
"all pushes are very subjective" - It's Day 1. Of course they are going to be 'subjective'. In fact, almost every single push in the history of mafia is 'subjective'. That doesn't mean you just do nothing since town has to be proactive to gain information, etc etc. This is all very obvious stuff so I won't drone on.
With that in mind, your approach is very hard to understand to me.
On November 03 2016 05:17 Calix wrote: Stating that someone's illogical =/= scum-read, Skynx dear.
As for mahrgell, if you're using mind melds to inform a read then that's fine. But from my point of view, I don't get the same impression when it's vice versa. I would have to see you post things first that I agreed with before I would make that read. It's mostly been you agreeing with me if I recall correctly so I can see where you're coming from in terms of perspective.
The whole thing is just so bullshit. Ofc you imply that he is scum. How can you say that he is being anti-town but at the same time say that "sorry guys he's anti-town but I'm not scumreading him"?
What was the point of that in the end? Obviously nothing, you tried something as a scum and got called out and had to backpaddle for next 5 pages try to bury it.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should
##Vote Calix
Very dodgy vote for "overanalyzing = tryhard" or w/e. Gets called out by Calix, as his vote came after NU with very little reasoning behind.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should
##Vote Calix
Sheep vote noted.
How is claiming that posting gifs after claiming a role tryhard?
So you accuse me of sheeping, then question my push.
Discredit noted.
Giving somebody crap for not shitting up the thread has a couple different scum motivations behind it:
1) You are going after an easy target for not doing what they said they'd do (after they got some friction about it when they announced it, iirc?)
2) Your post clearly nudged them to return to that practice despite your transparent disclaimer, which would be pro-scum if they were to do so.
First, it was not a push. You voted Calix for absolutely nothing scum indicative then call his callout discrediting you.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should
##Vote Calix
Sheep vote noted.
How is claiming that posting gifs after claiming a role tryhard?
So you accuse me of sheeping, then question my push.
Discredit noted.
Giving somebody crap for not shitting up the thread has a couple different scum motivations behind it:
1) You are going after an easy target for not doing what they said they'd do (after they got some friction about it when they announced it, iirc?)
2) Your post clearly nudged them to return to that practice despite your transparent disclaimer, which would be pro-scum if they were to do so.
You are voting right after I received a vote. There is no discrediting here, only using evidence to draw a conclusion.
Why would I not question your push? I don't consider 'tryhard' to be a scum-tell and wanted to know what your logic was for thinking so.
I am not scum-reading ExO. That's not 'going after an easy target', it's asking for a response to a simple question.
No it didn't. I asked why they weren't doing it. That cannot be interpreted as a subtle nudge to keep doing it in any world.
It's not pro-scum. It's anti-town.
Sheeping is voting using somebody else's reasons. I voted with my own push.
Not the same thing.
If you're not scumreading ExO, your vote is in the wrong place.
Shitting up a thread is pro-scum because it allows scum to more easily hide in the noise it creates.
I may be new to this site, but don't think for a second that means you can bullshit me.
You didn't have a push. You voted, then made up reasons for it cuz the vote was shit: The so called "tryhard and overanalyzing" transformed into "going after low hanging fruit and motivating people to behave anti-town"
On November 03 2016 07:00 Tictock wrote: Ok more or less caught up.
Exo and Foreman seem like the obv scum team to me atm. A little less sure on Foreman, but eh w/e.
Exo is prob scum for his reaction to Calix's questions as well as him dropping the gif stuff. Calix was right to ask him why he dropped his "I'm gunna post in mostly gifs" kus the most likely reason why he would drop that plan is if he rolled scum and decided it would draw too much attn to himself. I think the fact the he only posted the one gif kinda supports that as well.
Exo's push on Calix is pretty BS too, saying she is scum for "trying to get him to post gifs" is just stupid kus there is no way that is what she was implying. Not to mention that I don't think Calix would ever do that as scum either.
After arguing with Calix a bunch all he did was call me scum for my one liner open. Seems like the obv lynch to me.
##Vote: Exo_
Exo is scum with Foreman
Exo is scum for overreacting to a bad push > No, he had right to do that, he got voted by someone else plus the guy making the push didn't vote for him and said he is not even scumreading him. He has to retaliate here otherwise people will accuse him for not going after shitty pushes.
Exo is scum for dropping the gif stuff > So you actually suggest him trying to be pro-town implies he did it because he rolled mafia is absolute OMGUS.
Exo is scum for shitty push on Calix > I can sort of agree with this cuz it was badly worded. However
Not to mention that I don't think Calix would ever do that as scum either.
this is quite bad as Exo's push is not indicative of Calix' alignment as regardless of the retaliation, Calix' push was bad and he stepped back from it and should be pushed for it.
Nothing about Foreman
this is literally the worse case ever
On November 03 2016 07:05 Tictock wrote: Calix and Marghal (or w/e) are my top town atm. Mostly everything they have done has been to push the game forward and have been looking at multiple people from multiple angles.
Skynx is a little shitter for trying to imply that this early game is NAI. This is prob the least jokey start of a game I have every seen. Kinda null on him despite his early posts seeming unlikely to come from scum imo.
I kinda think NU is town but I'm not really sure why, just feels natural and relaxed I guess. In the same vein I kinda liked Dark's one post too so they are both townleaning nulls.
"pushing the game forward" here means voting for wrong and weak and meaningless reasons that are not there.
have been looking at multiple people from multiple angles.
what does this even mean? Can you like quote some stuff indicating why them two are town? Cuz i see nothing.
Middle ground on me, calls me shitter, unlikely to come from scum, in the end null. If above two are town for pushing the game forward by a clear margin for you, why am I not an as clear scum for doing the absolute opposite??
These don't make any sense. Two lists of opinions about people after a long silence and they are all meaningless/wrong. ##Vote: Tictock
On November 03 2016 22:51 Rels wrote: K I'm almost caught up but I also have to go for a few hours, afternoon is full of meetings. My reads atm: TOWN Foreman NU ExO Calix TT Skynx mahrgell DF SCUM
See you soon!
What makes you townread Foreman?
In other news I see Skynx decided to start playing the game and I'm not hating it so far.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
You think it's illogical for me to immediate claim VT before posting a gif?
Give me a break. If anything your attempt to get me to revert to gif posting only and now trying to throw shade on me is indicative of your scum alignment
Why so defensive, mate? :<
"Give me a break" after two trivial questions is much of an over-exaggeration, mang.
mahrgell (spelled your name right), what do you make of Exo and Calix's lil" chit chat so far? c:
1) I'm very proud you got my name correct this time. Maybe we delay your lynch a few days!
2) Calix: Looked to me like an "let's start the game" thing, I don't share Exo's interpretation that Calix wanted to silence him. This does not tell anything about Calix though. Could be fake activity, considering that those pathetically weak early attempts rarely lead to much information, could also honest interest in starting something. So nothing here.
3) Exo: his retaliation seemed... weird. I don't see a point there. I guess I could consider it something meta'ish that you blindly accuse everyone day1 to be mafia to "apply pressure and get things going". So either minor scumlean or just some broken metashit.
4) conclusion: I consider it for now as TvT, if it is MvT I would lean more in facor of Calix being the townie, I doubt it is MvM, but well... people can prep the most stupid shit before the game... Let's wait and see
PS: if anyone is not a he and wants to be called a she... tell me... Otherwise I use internet rule #1 and consider everyone a male.
Bolded gives two opposite directions of having a lean on Exo. "Wierd and pointless" for a scum perspective for overreaction and "pressure and get the game going" for town perspective. He looks quite uncertain about both regards by his specific wording.
I explained my way of thinking often enough, I will try to find explanations for behavior from both POV. Exactly as I did there. By now I figured this gets me sr rather often. But no, I won't change it. I still believe in it being the good way, and if you are willing to read my posts from the POV i explained several times, I hope you can understand them better. Is it different from the "lets ignore all interpretations that dont fit my case and just point at one side of the medal" approach, that is so prominent here? Yes. Is it worse? I don't know, I don't think so. But maybe having both approaches in the game is actually helpful.
On November 03 2016 03:59 mahrgell wrote: @Exo so, you are sticking with Calix as your prime scumcandidate?
Exo replies yes. Mahg says nothing.
Here I would prefer to have you read it without filters... How things went down: - Calix and Exo engange, Exo scumblames Calix (and I consider him weird) - Foreman joins the fun, charging at Calix - Exo turns silent. This for the moment looked like a typical "start something and then go quiet as soon as someone else takes over". So to fill the gap and keep Exo responsible, all I wanted is to have an update on his position. I got the update, this was all I needed.
And well... I prefer to play a rather high volume game, just to leave less gaps and more easily track the thought process of people. Sadly this is much harder online than IRL, as players can just go afk here..
All I wanted. Keep track. Have him state again if he has changed his mind or if he is still on it. May turn out useful later, may lead to nothing.
Mind you this is like the only thing going on in the thread other than Calix vs NU. Then he goes after NU, accusing him of not following up on Exo vote and posts this.
On November 03 2016 04:22 mahrgell wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:17 Foreman wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:14 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:10 Foreman wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:01 mahrgell wrote: @Foreman Now that you noticed your misread. Are you still going after Calix, or have you shifted your focus on NU? Would the argument you made for Calix also apply to NU? Or where do you see the difference there?
The fact he isn't voting ExO does not make his push any less disingenuous.
Knock knock, Calix is here, asking you to read my NU case like a good dear.
Is my NU case also disingenuous? If so, how?
Considering you've yet to acquit yourself for that shady ExO push, I'm not concerned about your NU push when he isn't even here to respond to it.
Why not? Following multiple leads is not bad for town. And even if we flip Calix in the end, no matter what color it is, having his talking points discussed would be beneficial to town. So I can't understand that refusal to comment on it. Especially as I would be very interested in your opinion.
Don't worry, we won't forget about Calix. And if you feel it got forgotten, ust bring it up later again, if someone wants to balem you for it, just forward it to me.
Where is your follow up on Exo then?
Nobody asked me about Exo, and I had an active talking point I wanted to explore first. If this is the same to you as refusing to answer a very clearly directed question... Can't help you.
On November 04 2016 00:51 Skynx wrote: More badness cuz of word limit
Tictock
On November 03 2016 07:00 Tictock wrote: Ok more or less caught up.
Exo and Foreman seem like the obv scum team to me atm. A little less sure on Foreman, but eh w/e.
Exo is prob scum for his reaction to Calix's questions as well as him dropping the gif stuff. Calix was right to ask him why he dropped his "I'm gunna post in mostly gifs" kus the most likely reason why he would drop that plan is if he rolled scum and decided it would draw too much attn to himself. I think the fact the he only posted the one gif kinda supports that as well.
Exo's push on Calix is pretty BS too, saying she is scum for "trying to get him to post gifs" is just stupid kus there is no way that is what she was implying. Not to mention that I don't think Calix would ever do that as scum either.
After arguing with Calix a bunch all he did was call me scum for my one liner open. Seems like the obv lynch to me.
##Vote: Exo_
Exo is scum with Foreman
Exo is scum for overreacting to a bad push > No, he had right to do that, he got voted by someone else plus the guy making the push didn't vote for him and said he is not even scumreading him. He has to retaliate here otherwise people will accuse him for not going after shitty pushes.
Exo is scum for dropping the gif stuff > So you actually suggest him trying to be pro-town implies he did it because he rolled mafia is absolute OMGUS.
Exo is scum for shitty push on Calix > I can sort of agree with this cuz it was badly worded. However
Not to mention that I don't think Calix would ever do that as scum either.
this is quite bad as Exo's push is not indicative of Calix' alignment as regardless of the retaliation, Calix' push was bad and he stepped back from it and should be pushed for it.
Nothing about Foreman
this is literally the worse case ever
On November 03 2016 07:05 Tictock wrote: Calix and Marghal (or w/e) are my top town atm. Mostly everything they have done has been to push the game forward and have been looking at multiple people from multiple angles.
Skynx is a little shitter for trying to imply that this early game is NAI. This is prob the least jokey start of a game I have every seen. Kinda null on him despite his early posts seeming unlikely to come from scum imo.
I kinda think NU is town but I'm not really sure why, just feels natural and relaxed I guess. In the same vein I kinda liked Dark's one post too so they are both townleaning nulls.
"pushing the game forward" here means voting for wrong and weak and meaningless reasons that are not there.
have been looking at multiple people from multiple angles.
what does this even mean? Can you like quote some stuff indicating why them two are town? Cuz i see nothing.
Middle ground on me, calls me shitter, unlikely to come from scum, in the end null. If above two are town for pushing the game forward by a clear margin for you, why am I not an as clear scum for doing the absolute opposite??
These don't make any sense. Two lists of opinions about people after a long silence and they are all meaningless/wrong. ##Vote: Tictock
And you called my post on Exo the worst case ever.
Exo is scum for overreacting to a bad push > No, he had right to do that, he got voted by someone else plus the guy making the push didn't vote for him and said he is not even scumreading him. He has to retaliate here otherwise people will accuse him for not going after shitty pushes.
This is pretty out of context. First Calix saying she wasn't scumreading him has nothing to do with his defense since Calix said that much later (I also have no issues with her pointing out something she doesn't like, calling it illogical or w/e, and then not scumreading the person for it. I actually shows deeper thinking imo). Second, of course anyone is going to defend themselves, it's about how they do it. Exo took 2 questions from Calix as some kind of immense pressure to make him post gifs (what?) and called her scum for it. That's overblown no matter how you look at it.
Exo is scum for dropping the gif stuff > So you actually suggest him trying to be pro-town implies he did it because he rolled mafia is absolute OMGUS.
I stand by my assessment. Him changing his stance from "I'm gunna post gifs and have fun" to "I'm gunna claim VT and get all serious about shit" is far more likely to come from someone who rolled scum and doesn't want to draw attention for posting mostly gifs.
Middle ground on me, calls me shitter, unlikely to come from scum, in the end null. If above two are town for pushing the game forward by a clear margin for you, why am I not an as clear scum for doing the absolute opposite??
You could be, but similarly to my thinking on Exo your early play was openly drawing attn to yourself which is not usually what scum want to do. I alluded to that somewhere.
These don't make any sense. Two lists of opinions about people after a long silence and they are all meaningless/wrong.
How does any of that make me scum?
And long silence? How are you going to accuse me of taking a long silence when you've spent the whole first half of the phase just complaining about reading and only now getting around to posting substance...
Your other post was decent, but you can stay floating in null/scum territory for this.
1) It is related. Exo has to react to Calix push here no matter what. Calix left his push open ended and didnt vote him despite calling him out. If Exo doesn't reply it looks bad for him.
If you wanna make it a tone argument that really goes nowhere. He could have ridicules his push instead of being all sorts of serious but that doesnt change the argument at all.
2) How is "I'm gona claim VT and play serious" an accusation here... do you even realise what you're saying here?
You supporting this kind of thing as OMGUS is just all sorts of biased for whatever reason. Maybe i know that reason tho.
3) So both me and Exo draw attention on ourselves but he's scum and im not???
4) I don't know what you mean with that picture. Posting two relatively large posts after not posting for a while will relate you actually caught up with stuff and got factual solid opinions on people rather than when playing play by play. Thats not the case here, your posts just look like you nitpicked random stuff and piled them up and said somehow that makes x scum.
You definitely gona have to step up to avoid lynch.
On November 04 2016 02:48 darthfoley wrote: I'd also appreciate Foreman's reads when he gets a chance
Sure, as soon as you explain your read of me, which was given before you know my reads of everyone else.
So the majority of my read on you is based off of your interactions with mahrgell. Although nothing you've done has screamed uber town, small things like you not really giving a shit about how people view your playstyle leads me to believe that you're playing your own style and not trying to conform to "please" other towns. Basically the antithesis of buddying.
On November 03 2016 21:42 mahrgell wrote: . Scum has usually 2 options: a) make up stuff b) reinforce shitty assumptions by townies Meanwhile a townie sees what I see. So if I feel myself completely unable to follow the line of thought of a player, this is a scumlean for me. In the end, I have to judge if the different judgements made by other players are due to different character or due to hidden agenda.
I'm voting Tictock.
This is terribad. So any townie that you disagree with is scummy to you?
Because like, two town can't see the same thing and have completely different thoughts about the same situation, what with the fact that everybody has identical environmental factors and upbringing, amirite?
Oh wait...
This is a bit of a segue, but mahrgell says a townie sees what I see. So if I feel myself completely unable to follow the line of thought of a player, this is a scumlean for me
So naturally, you'd think he would scum read Rels, after all...
On November 03 2016 23:41 mahrgell wrote: About Rels. I agree with basically none of his reads, pretty apparent with his 3 top town being my top scum. But there is one thing you can't blame him for: Trying to blend in. I would love to see him explaining his controversial reads.
Mainly I'm interested in: - why does he town NU - why does he town Foreman - I can see people not agreeing my concerns regarding foreman, but seriously, what has he done to make him a townread???) - what makes foley scummy? - "hates post" okay... Tell me more.
Share your thought process. I haven't seen any reasoning on those reads and admit they don't make sense to me.
and eventually, in his last large post, claims that he views Rels neutrally. Which doesn't make sense considering his prescribed stance from earlier. This scum read of mine of mahrgell helps me consider you to be town.
Why'd you change your vote off of mahrgell to Skynx?
On November 04 2016 02:48 darthfoley wrote: I'd also appreciate Foreman's reads when he gets a chance
Sure, as soon as you explain your read of me, which was given before you know my reads of everyone else.
So the majority of my read on you is based off of your interactions with mahrgell. Although nothing you've done has screamed uber town, small things like you not really giving a shit about how people view your playstyle leads me to believe that you're playing your own style and not trying to conform to "please" other towns. Basically the antithesis of buddying.
I liked this post specifically
On November 03 2016 23:59 Foreman wrote:
On November 03 2016 21:42 mahrgell wrote: . Scum has usually 2 options: a) make up stuff b) reinforce shitty assumptions by townies Meanwhile a townie sees what I see. So if I feel myself completely unable to follow the line of thought of a player, this is a scumlean for me. In the end, I have to judge if the different judgements made by other players are due to different character or due to hidden agenda.
I'm voting Tictock.
This is terribad. So any townie that you disagree with is scummy to you?
Because like, two town can't see the same thing and have completely different thoughts about the same situation, what with the fact that everybody has identical environmental factors and upbringing, amirite?
Oh wait...
This is a bit of a segue, but mahrgell says a townie sees what I see. So if I feel myself completely unable to follow the line of thought of a player, this is a scumlean for me
So naturally, you'd think he would scum read Rels, after all...
On November 03 2016 23:41 mahrgell wrote: About Rels. I agree with basically none of his reads, pretty apparent with his 3 top town being my top scum. But there is one thing you can't blame him for: Trying to blend in. I would love to see him explaining his controversial reads.
Mainly I'm interested in: - why does he town NU - why does he town Foreman - I can see people not agreeing my concerns regarding foreman, but seriously, what has he done to make him a townread???) - what makes foley scummy? - "hates post" okay... Tell me more.
Share your thought process. I haven't seen any reasoning on those reads and admit they don't make sense to me.
and eventually, in his last large post, claims that he views Rels neutrally. Which doesn't make sense considering his prescribed stance from earlier. This scum read of mine of mahrgell helps me consider you to be town.
Why'd you change your vote off of mahrgell to Skynx?
On November 04 2016 00:04 Foreman wrote: ##Vote: Skynx
I've yet to see one productive post from this guy, and it's hard to remember that he's even in the game.
I'm here, still reading all the shitty posts unfortunately and that takes time.
Also, congratz for exposing yourself for going after a low-hanging fruit.
Seriously?
Who calls themselves low hanging fruit?
That's such a crap defense.
I'd have expected reasons for his lack of activity and dismissive posts, but he's coming across as "expect this all the time".
Stand by the facts.
I was just an emo at this point to most people including you. Just before i posted some actual reads. I was the definition of low hanging fruit.
Thats not a defence, thats an accusation for you going for someone whos just raging about the game rather than post your thoughts on actual playing people some of which you were definitely scumreading at this point.
I also have to apologise i wont be able to read filtets and post about othes (Rels, NU, darth) cuz im not gona be sitting in front of a computer at all.
I also town-read Skynx. Doesn't mean that's a reason to sheep him.
I hope you have other thoughts since this is rather underwhelming so far.
Also I'm not that convinced on TT so I am midway through skimming his filter. I actually think his responses have been quite reasonable so far.
You think his response to my post was good?
If you're referring to #467 then allow me to go into more detail:
- I agree with the part about ExO. My question was a reasonable thing to ask, simple as that, and it's undeniable that ExO overreacted.
- I disagree that it makes ExO scum though which is what TT thinks.
- I don't understand why you call his scum-read on ExO OMGUS unless I misunderstood something.
- Your most valid point is his read on you compared to his read on ExO which he doesn't explain well. (the last part) I think you could have cut out the rest of your case since it's your best point.
Otherwise yes, I think his responses were fine.
Well i guess first point is opinion dependant then.
However i wont accept that he's still presenting dropping the gif game as wifom scumplay.
He also associated Exo with Foreman for absolutely no apparent reason and didn't touch that at all on his response which i noticed now.
On November 04 2016 05:04 Tictock wrote: Actually didn't someone mention that Skynx said he tries to open scummy to see who goes after him?
If that's true then I have to throw out my line of thought about his early game. Clearly scum!Skynx would try to replicate that type of play from his towngames.
I was 100% serious about cutting the spam. Nothing to do with my alignment.
On November 04 2016 05:04 Tictock wrote: Actually didn't someone mention that Skynx said he tries to open scummy to see who goes after him?
If that's true then I have to throw out my line of thought about his early game. Clearly scum!Skynx would try to replicate that type of play from his towngames.
Eh?
Your first line is correct. Skynx claims that he acts scummy to see who goes for the low-hanging fruit as a town tactic.
Your conclusion is making me scratch my head. I don't see how learning about Skynx' play-style -> thinking he'd replicate it as scum -> entrance posts are null.
On November 04 2016 00:04 Foreman wrote: ##Vote: Skynx
I've yet to see one productive post from this guy, and it's hard to remember that he's even in the game.
I'm here, still reading all the shitty posts unfortunately and that takes time.
Also, congratz for exposing yourself for going after a low-hanging fruit.
Seriously?
Who calls themselves low hanging fruit?
That's such a crap defense.
I'd have expected reasons for his lack of activity and dismissive posts, but he's coming across as "expect this all the time".
Stand by the facts.
I was just an emo at this point to most people including you. Just before i posted some actual reads. I was the definition of low hanging fruit.
Thats not a defence, thats an accusation for you going for someone whos just raging about the game rather than post your thoughts on actual playing people some of which you were definitely scumreading at this point.
Bullshit.
You were active lurking. You got called out on active lurking. You decided you better do something to avoid scrutiny.
Believe what you want to believe. My filter is quite clear, i said i'll read and try to make sense, then i posted some stuff. Doesn't have anything to do with your so called callout.
On November 04 2016 06:01 Calix wrote: But how hard is it to just say something like "oh I was joking" or "I wanted to play the game properly" or something? Maybe I'm just assuming that ExO is as amazingly intelligent as I am, but that doesn't seem like a stretch for scum.
His later behaviour is more concerning to me. I don't really like it and the point which I found the most interesting from him is something that you claim was a joke. (I think)
Thats actually kinda my point, town!Exo could have said the same things, or started posting gifs to joke around.
What did we see? Him getting butthurt that you called him out for not posting Gifs and attacking you for it.
Starting a discussion is EXACTLY what town wants to do. And its exactly what I did. Implying that I wouldn't do that is town is at best misleading. What I did drew a lot of attention to me, you really think thats what I would do as scum? Instead of posting a few gifs and joking around a bit?
On October 31 2016 09:24 NeverUnlucky wrote: Sure. c: One more /in.
This is what is going to happen this game:
1. I will roll town. 2. Game starts; unoriginal players'll say "First confirmed town!" 3. One town will have a weird or even scummy entry. 4. Calix will tunnel said player. NeverUnlucky will have a good read on Calix based on the tunnel. 5. Said town will claim that the intent behind his entry was to stir up conversation. 6. Everyone will mock him and some will town-read him. 7. Active players’ll shitpost, lurkers’ll lurk. 8. One player will case another player who’ll become the main wagon, but the case is weak, thus : 9. People will initiate a CFD at EoD, and a town will die.
On November 04 2016 09:16 ExO_ wrote: Darthfoley/Skynk have the shortest filters and might be good places to look as well. Going off filter length NU/Calix shouldn't be scum because they are so far and above everyone else. I'd find it hard to be posting that much as scum
He established some kind of town agenda earlier on and from there on just took a nosedive by Moosy'ing his way through. I noticed few things while I was skimming through: He posts shit ton of one-liners to fill up his 9page filter. Almost all of his votes have absolutely no reasoning behind. He posts bunch of flying thoughs around with very little justification. It's almost like he just felt like posting absolutely whatever he wants and try to make them sound like they make sense.
Altho only after going through his filter I realised how bad it is. These are in no particular order:
On November 04 2016 08:08 NeverUnlucky wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote ExO_
On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote: I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left.
I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit.
I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at.
BTW this looks fabricated too. Did you get anything out of it ?
Not particularly. I'll be honest I didn't go back and read. It had been 18+ hours by the time I woke up today and I didn't feel like going back through it.
On November 04 2016 06:32 NeverUnlucky wrote: [quote] Who's not reading the game now?
Are you serious? lol.
Show me where Calix is tunneling, and not actively considering all reads and possibilities. Give me a break
Pointless argument, dismissed.
If you're going to acuse Calix of tunneling, you better be able to back it up.
Calix you Town reading NU? because if you're scum reading him I think he might be a decent lynch today
Yes, I am able to back it up, but this argument is not productive. I am trying to focus on important stuff for once in hopes that my coach still has a little faith in me.
And why would I be a decent lynch?
Your entry into the thread, and subsequent posts look scummy to me. You've actively distracted town, and made posts to toot your own horn (like the one a few posts up).
Is this from memory or did you reread his filter ? BTW what's your read on foreman ?
lean town, but im annoyed with him and his inability to read the thread
On November 04 2016 07:05 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:52 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:44 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:37 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:34 ExO_ wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:32 NeverUnlucky wrote: [quote] Who's not reading the game now?
Are you serious? lol.
Show me where Calix is tunneling, and not actively considering all reads and possibilities. Give me a break
Pointless argument, dismissed.
If you're going to acuse Calix of tunneling, you better be able to back it up.
Calix you Town reading NU? because if you're scum reading him I think he might be a decent lynch today
Yes, I am able to back it up, but this argument is not productive. I am trying to focus on important stuff for once in hopes that my coach still has a little faith in me.
And why would I be a decent lynch?
Your entry into the thread, and subsequent posts look scummy to me. You've actively distracted town, and made posts to toot your own horn (like the one a few posts up).
Is this from memory or did you reread his filter ? BTW what's your read on foreman ?
From memory
If Foreman is a townlean, why did you consider rereading his filter a priority in your last post yesterday ? Here:
On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote: I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left.
I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit.
I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at.
And why didn't you reread NU filter and read TT's instead ?
On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote: I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left.
I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit.
I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at.
BTW this looks fabricated too. Did you get anything out of it ?
On November 04 2016 08:24 NeverUnlucky wrote: I do not think like you are trying to go somewhere, I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others (ie static reads other than the 180 on Calix) and your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere.
The only common ground is that part where you say that you were reaction-testing.
Plus, Rels did not state a *clear* scum-read on you, so how can I be sheeping him?+ Show Spoiler +
On November 04 2016 07:36 Rels wrote: ExO, the only thing that keeps me from tunneling you into oblivion is your explanation of the VT thing. Please answer me about why your foreman read changed without reason between now and yesterday
We rate this claim false.
On November 04 2016 08:24 NeverUnlucky wrote: I do not think like you are trying to go somewhere, I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others (ie static reads other than the 180 on Calix) and your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere.
"I don't think you are trying to go somewhere", "phony and unsincere" wow thats a hell of a case there, just keep this in mind for a second, it's gona make some sense later on.
On November 04 2016 09:45 NeverUnlucky wrote: So I re-read the case on Tictock and was left disappointed. Nothing mentioned makes Tictock mafia.
On November 03 2016 07:00 Tictock wrote: Ok more or less caught up.
Exo and Foreman seem like the obv scum team to me atm. A little less sure on Foreman, but eh w/e.
Exo is prob scum for his reaction to Calix's questions as well as him dropping the gif stuff. Calix was right to ask him why he dropped his "I'm gunna post in mostly gifs" kus the most likely reason why he would drop that plan is if he rolled scum and decided it would draw too much attn to himself. I think the fact the he only posted the one gif kinda supports that as well.
Exo's push on Calix is pretty BS too, saying she is scum for "trying to get him to post gifs" is just stupid kus there is no way that is what she was implying. Not to mention that I don't think Calix would ever do that as scum either.
After arguing with Calix a bunch all he did was call me scum for my one liner open. Seems like the obv lynch to me.
##Vote: Exo_
Exo is scum with Foreman
Exo is scum for overreacting to a bad push > No, he had right to do that, he got voted by someone else plus the guy making the push didn't vote for him and said he is not even scumreading him. He has to retaliate here otherwise people will accuse him for not going after shitty pushes.
Exo is scum for dropping the gif stuff > So you actually suggest him trying to be pro-town implies he did it because he rolled mafia is absolute OMGUS.
Exo is scum for shitty push on Calix > I can sort of agree with this cuz it was badly worded. However
Not to mention that I don't think Calix would ever do that as scum either.
this is quite bad as Exo's push is not indicative of Calix' alignment as regardless of the retaliation, Calix' push was bad and he stepped back from it and should be pushed for it.
On November 03 2016 07:05 Tictock wrote: Calix and Marghal (or w/e) are my top town atm. Mostly everything they have done has been to push the game forward and have been looking at multiple people from multiple angles.
Skynx is a little shitter for trying to imply that this early game is NAI. This is prob the least jokey start of a game I have every seen. Kinda null on him despite his early posts seeming unlikely to come from scum imo.
I kinda think NU is town but I'm not really sure why, just feels natural and relaxed I guess. In the same vein I kinda liked Dark's one post too so they are both townleaning nulls.
"pushing the game forward" here means voting for wrong and weak and meaningless reasons that are not there.
have been looking at multiple people from multiple angles.
what does this even mean? Can you like quote some stuff indicating why them two are town? Cuz i see nothing.
Middle ground on me, calls me shitter, unlikely to come from scum, in the end null. If above two are town for pushing the game forward by a clear margin for you, why am I not an as clear scum for doing the absolute opposite??
These don't make any sense. Two lists of opinions about people after a long silence and they are all meaningless/wrong. ##Vote: Tictock
I gave bunch of reasons there, when some people read that, they agreed or disagreeed for those points for whatever reason (aka Calix & TT), you however just feel like pushing this aside with one hand. Do you care to explain why none of those make him mafia?? Cuz that is actually a case unlike anything you've done with votes or scumreads this game.
On November 04 2016 07:23 NeverUnlucky wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Mahrgell
Anotha one
Now on to the fun stuff:
On November 04 2016 08:57 NeverUnlucky wrote: Historically speaking, TT questioning ExO's VT claim would make him mafia.
Ok, this seems to be some meta read, care to give reasons ah but that would be no fun would it?
On November 04 2016 06:32 NeverUnlucky wrote: v TT (=) / Rels (+) Calix (=) / Skynx (+) DF (-) / Foreman (=) / ExO (-=) mahrgell (=) w
anyone?
On November 04 2016 06:29 NeverUnlucky wrote: I have a strong feeling that Rels is town, even moreso with his latest posts. Calix, why is he your preferred lynch atm?
Another read with no reason, lets put a random question in there to divert atttention and people might not realise I'm making shit up from thin air.
On November 04 2016 07:15 NeverUnlucky wrote: mahr, with cakepie's announcement, I'm pretty much mod-confirmed.
huehuehue
On November 04 2016 11:14 NeverUnlucky wrote: I have read TT's filter and found it to be townie. Why do people scum-read him anyway? ExO seemed like an OMGUS vote while I did not find anything mafia telling in Skynx's case. Skynx, if you believe in your case, would you please highlight what makes him scum or propose new arguments? Else, who d'you think's scummeh?
As it stands, I am willing to lynch Foreman and ExO. Maybe mahrgell if I really hedge my read, and maybe Skynx as he seems like he's doing the bare minimum not to get PLed.
Hahahaha no sir. YOU give some reasons for why you think some stuff are the way they are, then you are allowed to question other people on why they think they are the way they are.
I can't see one thing in that filter that suggests NU has done a towny thing this game. Please speak now if you think NU is town and state why.
On November 03 2016 22:22 Rels wrote: Skynx is looking like Tumblewood when he was scum with me and tried to play as incoherently as possible to play the "too weird to be scum" card.
Letme post a random thought about Skynx' emo posts to appear like I'm doing something. Nothing usefull.
on Calix:
On November 03 2016 22:52 Rels wrote: TT while I'm gone please explain why Calix is your top town after seeing her scum game
The game he's talking about Calix got townread by almost everyone D1 for very casual play with just posting random reads and took a nosedive later on. Me and TT nailed him by role usage later on. So TT is aware of Calix can do random stuff and look very town with it.
On November 04 2016 02:39 Calix wrote: I feel like I am being overly generous with my town-reads though. As it stands, I'm town-reading Skynx, mahrgell, darthfoley, ExO, Foreman to varying degrees.
Unless the scum team is something like Rels/ NU or TT/ Rels or some shit then I've definitely fucked up somewhere.
This is a townie post. Especially from someone with a strong scumgame who have 0 problem finding lynchbaits to push.
I have to agree with this. In the game so far no one has been objectively towny and giving out townreads is kina hard at this point. Now this might be regarded completely vice versa as Calix giving easy reads cuz he's wifoming scum but I think Calix has been towny so far even after doing some bad stuff early on. I think re-read on his reasonings for townreads will tell a lot about both Rels and Calix' alignments but this stuff above will suggest they are either town together or scum together.
On November 03 2016 07:05 Tictock wrote: Calix and Marghal (or w/e) are my top town atm. Mostly everything they have done has been to push the game forward and have been looking at multiple people from multiple angles.
Skynx is a little shitter for trying to imply that this early game is NAI. This is prob the least jokey start of a game I have every seen. Kinda null on him despite his early posts seeming unlikely to come from scum imo.
I kinda think NU is town but I'm not really sure why, just feels natural and relaxed I guess. In the same vein I kinda liked Dark's one post too so they are both townleaning nulls.
I really don't understand how these two can be your top town. Marghell is so soft in his stances to me it screams scuuuuuum. You played with me in a game where Calix played a very, very stgrong scumgame: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/513316-newbie-student-mafia-xxiii, so I don't understand how Calix can be top town in your mind when she has done nothing incredibly townie.
I like this, TT's post was shit and he recognised it.
On November 04 2016 01:39 NeverUnlucky wrote: for rels
Well, this quote isn't as good as I remembered it to be. There are certain points which I still like, others make me uncertain.
On November 03 2016 05:30 darthfoley wrote: Had a read through, albeit quick because I won't be on later until like 7pm and don't want to read through 40 pages in one sitting.
I agree that a lot of the stuff so far is NAI. I think ExO vs. Calix could be TvT and was blown out of proportion based off a gif.
Why does he think it could be tvt if most of the stuff is NAI?
Also, saying that the Exo - Calix thingy was based off a gif is a mischaracterization of what happened I think.
However, I don't like this post. Who spends 4 lines discussing why the claimed VT? This is a super waste of a post.
On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote: Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:
I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth
I don't like this post. This comes off as scummy scummy buddy buddy
On November 03 2016 04:32 mahrgell wrote: gosh Calix, can we please stop post synced? Also after what I read from you last game I'm afraid of myself, if I share your thoughts... I don't want to be like you Sorry.
I also don't think the theoretical discussion of anti-town vs. pro-scum has much use if it's kept theoretical.
Mind meld.
Foreman completely writing off Calix basically because of one push is helping town at all. Seems like uber tunneling that never actually helps town. Don't see any post so far that screams scum SO hard that I wouldn't entertain the possibility that my read on someone was wrong. Seems a bit scummy to me, especially D1. I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama
Foreman did not write off Calix ._.
He says that his reads could be wrong, but never stated his reads prior to this... zzz
Obviously no post will scream scum.
Calix is a slight town read to me currently. I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes.
Bruh, that post he's referring to is Skynx saying "These posts are shit" and quotes Foreman and ExO's votes on Calix. How is that useful? How does he go from agreeing with Skynx in the previous paragraph to saying that his posts are useless?
I'll be back in about three hours, keep posting away
I can see why you hated it.
Yeah that post was awful. And I don't understand why the fixation on Skynx on this post. He was mentioned three times: "I agree that a lot of the stuff so far is NAI" (Skynx was the one saying that) "I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama" "I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes."
On November 04 2016 06:15 Rels wrote: LOL rereading the last two sentences it doesnt have match up DF WHY THE FUCK would you go from "YEAH SKYNX IS RIGHT ALMOST EVERYTHING IS USELESS" to "SKYNX POSTS WERE USELESS" ? You apparently agreed with Skynx that there was not much to talk about ? Why did you consider Skynx posts useless when you agreed with them ?
On November 04 2016 01:39 NeverUnlucky wrote: for rels
Well, this quote isn't as good as I remembered it to be. There are certain points which I still like, others make me uncertain.
On November 03 2016 05:30 darthfoley wrote: Had a read through, albeit quick because I won't be on later until like 7pm and don't want to read through 40 pages in one sitting.
I agree that a lot of the stuff so far is NAI. I think ExO vs. Calix could be TvT and was blown out of proportion based off a gif.
Why does he think it could be tvt if most of the stuff is NAI?
Also, saying that the Exo - Calix thingy was based off a gif is a mischaracterization of what happened I think.
However, I don't like this post. Who spends 4 lines discussing why the claimed VT? This is a super waste of a post.
On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote: Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:
I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth
I don't like this post. This comes off as scummy scummy buddy buddy
On November 03 2016 04:32 mahrgell wrote: gosh Calix, can we please stop post synced? Also after what I read from you last game I'm afraid of myself, if I share your thoughts... I don't want to be like you Sorry.
I also don't think the theoretical discussion of anti-town vs. pro-scum has much use if it's kept theoretical.
Mind meld.
Foreman completely writing off Calix basically because of one push is helping town at all. Seems like uber tunneling that never actually helps town. Don't see any post so far that screams scum SO hard that I wouldn't entertain the possibility that my read on someone was wrong. Seems a bit scummy to me, especially D1. I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama
Foreman did not write off Calix ._.
He says that his reads could be wrong, but never stated his reads prior to this... zzz
Obviously no post will scream scum.
Calix is a slight town read to me currently. I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes.
Bruh, that post he's referring to is Skynx saying "These posts are shit" and quotes Foreman and ExO's votes on Calix. How is that useful? How does he go from agreeing with Skynx in the previous paragraph to saying that his posts are useless?
I'll be back in about three hours, keep posting away
I can see why you hated it.
Yeah that post was awful. And I don't understand why the fixation on Skynx on this post. He was mentioned three times: "I agree that a lot of the stuff so far is NAI" (Skynx was the one saying that) "I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama" "I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes."
This is more directed at your next post, but I don't understand your argument. I'm assuming that you're talking about this, right?
I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama
Calix is a slight town read to me currently. I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes.
I don't see the incongruency. Isn't he basically saying "Skynx was useless until he posted about the votes and I agree with him that the votes are dumb and useless"?
Now that I've written it out like that, that's a pretty weird thing to say since it doesn't say much at all and the way it's worded makes it sound like he slight-town-read me because I agreed that Skynx was useless.
But I don't think it's inconsistent.
Nope. He didn't say "Skynx was useless until he posted about the votes and I agree with him that the votes are dumb and useless" He said "Skynx said everything was NAI and I agree with him", then "I agree Skynx' psots were useless until that very last one about the votes". Basically he both agrees that these posts are useless but also agree with them: + Show Spoiler +
On November 03 2016 04:12 Skynx wrote: Man you guys are way too fun to read
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.
What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?
Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.
What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?
Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages
Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour
Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.
Here is what happened;
Calix sr Exo (gif stuff) Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push) Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others)
What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.
On November 03 2016 05:10 Skynx wrote: I mean I really dunno what to add here, its just NAI guys.
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.
What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?
Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages
Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour
Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.
Here is what happened;
Calix sr Exo (gif stuff) Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push) Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others)
What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.
Fact-check. I never stated a scum-read on ExO.
"all pushes are very subjective" - It's Day 1. Of course they are going to be 'subjective'. In fact, almost every single push in the history of mafia is 'subjective'. That doesn't mean you just do nothing since town has to be proactive to gain information, etc etc. This is all very obvious stuff so I won't drone on.
With that in mind, your approach is very hard to understand to me.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.
What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?
Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages
Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour
Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.
Here is what happened;
Calix sr Exo (gif stuff) Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push) Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others)
What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.
What you are doing right now is worse than anything you've complained about, because you should be of the mindset that providing even more unproductive content would only make our situation worse, given your remarks.
Well, Calix is the one to make me explain how NAI stuff is NAI you can blame him for that if you really want to.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
You think it's illogical for me to immediate claim VT before posting a gif?
Give me a break. If anything your attempt to get me to revert to gif posting only and now trying to throw shade on me is indicative of your scum alignment
Please point me to where I 'attempted to get you to revert to gif posting only' if you'd be so kind. You'll note that I specifically said 'I'm glad you are not posting in gifs' (which you then responded to...with a gif...instead of a response)
And yes, it's illogical for town to claim a role and then post a gif in lieu of a coherent response.
If you were actually happy I wasn't posting gifs, why would you bring up the fact that I said I would post primarily gifs? I think any reasonable person realizes that's much more likely to get me to post gifs, than to offer an explanation that will ultimately be irrelevant to the game.
You brought it up in the hopes that I would stick to my word and posts only gifs, instead of helping town. You are scum
##vote Calix
These are absolutely terrible votes.
I dunno what to think about this whole mess. So he thinks darth has slipped? Imo its a very minor thing, even more when considered people said so so many bad stuff in first few hours of the game. Why there is so much emphasis on this one read and not others?
On November 04 2016 20:54 Rels wrote: Skynx has a real shot at being scum too. A lot of his posts just look like fake to me, faking a "not-caring" tone. To compare with Foreman, it looks like Skynx is trying to appear not caring, while Foreman just doesn't care and wite stuff that he thinks. And I know weaker scums tend to do that after losing scumgames 'cause it's easier to play. And I know Skynx is not a very good scum player.
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.
What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?
Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages
On November 03 2016 05:10 Skynx wrote: I mean I really dunno what to add here, its just NAI guys.
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.
What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?
Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages
Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour
Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.
Here is what happened;
Calix sr Exo (gif stuff) Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push) Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others)
What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.
What you are doing right now is worse than anything you've complained about, because you should be of the mindset that providing even more unproductive content would only make our situation worse, given your remarks.
Well, Calix is the one to make me explain how NAI stuff is NAI you can blame him for that if you really want to.
I'm just here to drink milk and fuck bitches.
On November 03 2016 22:17 Skynx wrote: I only like darth so far for making sense with his posts while keeping it short and meaningfull.
I hate TT's reads in p15 or something they are literally the worst. He deserves a vote but I'll touch on this a bit later on.
Exo's reads are quite bad aswell but less bad than TT.
Haven't read Rels yet.
Rest is bad and should feel bad for being able to spam this much and actually say nothing of worth. I'm gona vote for a stfu lynch on the biggest filter for now before i actually get a time to read in detail cuz this shit is unacceptable.
Actually, his only real content were in his 2 huge wall posts. I disagree with pretty much everything he's said in it. A lot of it is just logical mistakes that are not scum tells.
So this is like the most biased read ever. Suggesting me wifoming scum by raging is very biased as he knows I did it in my btdt game as doctor D1 which later on decided the game. He blatantly ignores that and uses my previous scum game to suggest meta.
Then there is the case on Exo, with only argument being Exo is overly defensive which has been used over and over and over again since the minute the game started.
All in all I'm not liking Rels but not sure what to do with him either. He is in no way town yet but none of above makes him objectively scummy compared to TT and NU.
I mean Exo did some bad stuff guys, as i quoted previous page.
However, can someone please give me some solid arguments that makes him objective scum like TT and NU? Other than him being defensive all the time which is not even a reason anymore and makes sense as everyone is scumreading him.
Very town: mahg Townlean: Exo, Calix Not read at all: darth Bad but not thoroughly read:Foreman Nullish cuz neither town nor scum but bad: Rels Scum: TT, NU
I pushed mahg earlier, his respons I liked. His lists later on I liked. He's not overly spammy. He's the most town imo.
Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise.
Calix is quite null actually this was hard to decide. His early game has been bad a he should know better by now after 3 games here that him vs NU just results in them filling filters and nothing else. He needs more thorough read for sure. I'm mostly townreading him on tone which I'm kinda confident after playing with him often in past few months, which i know is bad but its the best i can do atm.
Darth had that conspiracy about his opinion on me as a reason Rels and some others scumread, which doesn't mean anything imo but need to read him later on. I just got the feeling he's not been bad overall.
I don't like Foreman's over-aggressive tone. He didn't get much going against him but why so aggressive then? He most definitely needs a re-read, I think he's been flying under the radar.
On November 05 2016 01:21 Skynx wrote: I mean Exo did some bad stuff guys, as i quoted previous page.
However, can someone please give me some solid arguments that makes him objective scum like TT and NU? Other than him being defensive all the time which is not even a reason anymore and makes sense as everyone is scumreading him.
How is NU objective scum? I saw nothing of the sort in your case.
I also disagree that TT is 'objective scum'.
I'm also not sure how you missed all of the ExO posts with regards to the early game/ TT's case/ Rels' post before he voted for ExO/ my posts prior to voting for ExO/ darthfoley's post before voting for ExO. I'm not saying that everything in those posts I've flagged up meets your criteria of 'objective scum' but there's definitely a better case for ExO compared to TT/ NU.
I disagree. Can you bring up cases on Exo? I know Rels is voting Exo cuz of over defensiveness. I know NU is voting Exo for very very bad reasons which makes him scum, this is in my case. Same for TT. I have no idea why you, Foreman and mahg vote Exo.
On November 05 2016 01:43 Calix wrote: No. It's not my job to look for cases for you. That's on you. Town should be reaching out to the town, not vice versa.
With your reads, how is 'retaliation' a town tell?
I don't relate to your DF read.
How is an over-aggressive tone scum-indicative? What examples do you have?
ok.
Retaliation is a town tell because he's getting attacked non-stop for bad reasons. Check vivax and me from Dota mafia, which I know you have been following which is completely the opposite.
I dunno who you're accounting to with the over-aggressive tone, Foreman? I'm not scum reading him, I got no material i specified I didn't read him much.
On November 03 2016 22:22 Rels wrote: Skynx is looking like Tumblewood when he was scum with me and tried to play as incoherently as possible to play the "too weird to be scum" card.
Letme post a random thought about Skynx' emo posts to appear like I'm doing something. Nothing usefull.
on Calix:
On November 03 2016 22:52 Rels wrote: TT while I'm gone please explain why Calix is your top town after seeing her scum game
The game he's talking about Calix got townread by almost everyone D1 for very casual play with just posting random reads and took a nosedive later on. Me and TT nailed him by role usage later on. So TT is aware of Calix can do random stuff and look very town with it.
On November 04 2016 06:23 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 02:39 Calix wrote: I feel like I am being overly generous with my town-reads though. As it stands, I'm town-reading Skynx, mahrgell, darthfoley, ExO, Foreman to varying degrees.
Unless the scum team is something like Rels/ NU or TT/ Rels or some shit then I've definitely fucked up somewhere.
This is a townie post. Especially from someone with a strong scumgame who have 0 problem finding lynchbaits to push.
I have to agree with this. In the game so far no one has been objectively towny and giving out townreads is kina hard at this point. Now this might be regarded completely vice versa as Calix giving easy reads cuz he's wifoming scum but I think Calix has been towny so far even after doing some bad stuff early on. I think re-read on his reasonings for townreads will tell a lot about both Rels and Calix' alignments but this stuff above will suggest they are either town together or scum together.
On November 03 2016 22:32 Rels wrote:
On November 03 2016 07:05 Tictock wrote: Calix and Marghal (or w/e) are my top town atm. Mostly everything they have done has been to push the game forward and have been looking at multiple people from multiple angles.
Skynx is a little shitter for trying to imply that this early game is NAI. This is prob the least jokey start of a game I have every seen. Kinda null on him despite his early posts seeming unlikely to come from scum imo.
I kinda think NU is town but I'm not really sure why, just feels natural and relaxed I guess. In the same vein I kinda liked Dark's one post too so they are both townleaning nulls.
I really don't understand how these two can be your top town. Marghell is so soft in his stances to me it screams scuuuuuum. You played with me in a game where Calix played a very, very stgrong scumgame: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/513316-newbie-student-mafia-xxiii, so I don't understand how Calix can be top town in your mind when she has done nothing incredibly townie.
I like this, TT's post was shit and he recognised it.
On November 04 2016 07:32 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:12 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 01:39 NeverUnlucky wrote: for rels
Well, this quote isn't as good as I remembered it to be. There are certain points which I still like, others make me uncertain.
On November 03 2016 05:30 darthfoley wrote: Had a read through, albeit quick because I won't be on later until like 7pm and don't want to read through 40 pages in one sitting.
I agree that a lot of the stuff so far is NAI. I think ExO vs. Calix could be TvT and was blown out of proportion based off a gif.
Why does he think it could be tvt if most of the stuff is NAI?
Also, saying that the Exo - Calix thingy was based off a gif is a mischaracterization of what happened I think.
However, I don't like this post. Who spends 4 lines discussing why the claimed VT? This is a super waste of a post.
On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote: Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:
I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth
I don't like this post. This comes off as scummy scummy buddy buddy
On November 03 2016 04:32 mahrgell wrote: gosh Calix, can we please stop post synced? Also after what I read from you last game I'm afraid of myself, if I share your thoughts... I don't want to be like you Sorry.
I also don't think the theoretical discussion of anti-town vs. pro-scum has much use if it's kept theoretical.
Mind meld.
Foreman completely writing off Calix basically because of one push is helping town at all. Seems like uber tunneling that never actually helps town. Don't see any post so far that screams scum SO hard that I wouldn't entertain the possibility that my read on someone was wrong. Seems a bit scummy to me, especially D1. I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama
Foreman did not write off Calix ._.
He says that his reads could be wrong, but never stated his reads prior to this... zzz
Obviously no post will scream scum.
Calix is a slight town read to me currently. I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes.
Bruh, that post he's referring to is Skynx saying "These posts are shit" and quotes Foreman and ExO's votes on Calix. How is that useful? How does he go from agreeing with Skynx in the previous paragraph to saying that his posts are useless?
I'll be back in about three hours, keep posting away
I can see why you hated it.
Yeah that post was awful. And I don't understand why the fixation on Skynx on this post. He was mentioned three times: "I agree that a lot of the stuff so far is NAI" (Skynx was the one saying that) "I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama" "I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes."
On November 04 2016 06:15 Rels wrote: LOL rereading the last two sentences it doesnt have match up DF WHY THE FUCK would you go from "YEAH SKYNX IS RIGHT ALMOST EVERYTHING IS USELESS" to "SKYNX POSTS WERE USELESS" ? You apparently agreed with Skynx that there was not much to talk about ? Why did you consider Skynx posts useless when you agreed with them ?
On November 04 2016 07:05 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 07:00 Calix wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:12 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2016 01:39 NeverUnlucky wrote: for rels
Well, this quote isn't as good as I remembered it to be. There are certain points which I still like, others make me uncertain.
On November 03 2016 05:30 darthfoley wrote: Had a read through, albeit quick because I won't be on later until like 7pm and don't want to read through 40 pages in one sitting.
I agree that a lot of the stuff so far is NAI. I think ExO vs. Calix could be TvT and was blown out of proportion based off a gif.
Why does he think it could be tvt if most of the stuff is NAI?
Also, saying that the Exo - Calix thingy was based off a gif is a mischaracterization of what happened I think.
However, I don't like this post. Who spends 4 lines discussing why the claimed VT? This is a super waste of a post.
On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote: Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:
I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth
I don't like this post. This comes off as scummy scummy buddy buddy
On November 03 2016 04:32 mahrgell wrote: gosh Calix, can we please stop post synced? Also after what I read from you last game I'm afraid of myself, if I share your thoughts... I don't want to be like you Sorry.
I also don't think the theoretical discussion of anti-town vs. pro-scum has much use if it's kept theoretical.
Mind meld.
Foreman completely writing off Calix basically because of one push is helping town at all. Seems like uber tunneling that never actually helps town. Don't see any post so far that screams scum SO hard that I wouldn't entertain the possibility that my read on someone was wrong. Seems a bit scummy to me, especially D1. I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama
Foreman did not write off Calix ._.
He says that his reads could be wrong, but never stated his reads prior to this... zzz
Obviously no post will scream scum.
Calix is a slight town read to me currently. I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes.
Bruh, that post he's referring to is Skynx saying "These posts are shit" and quotes Foreman and ExO's votes on Calix. How is that useful? How does he go from agreeing with Skynx in the previous paragraph to saying that his posts are useless?
I'll be back in about three hours, keep posting away
I can see why you hated it.
Yeah that post was awful. And I don't understand why the fixation on Skynx on this post. He was mentioned three times: "I agree that a lot of the stuff so far is NAI" (Skynx was the one saying that) "I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama" "I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes."
This is more directed at your next post, but I don't understand your argument. I'm assuming that you're talking about this, right?
I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama
Calix is a slight town read to me currently. I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes.
I don't see the incongruency. Isn't he basically saying "Skynx was useless until he posted about the votes and I agree with him that the votes are dumb and useless"?
Now that I've written it out like that, that's a pretty weird thing to say since it doesn't say much at all and the way it's worded makes it sound like he slight-town-read me because I agreed that Skynx was useless.
But I don't think it's inconsistent.
Nope. He didn't say "Skynx was useless until he posted about the votes and I agree with him that the votes are dumb and useless" He said "Skynx said everything was NAI and I agree with him", then "I agree Skynx' psots were useless until that very last one about the votes". Basically he both agrees that these posts are useless but also agree with them: + Show Spoiler +
On November 03 2016 04:12 Skynx wrote: Man you guys are way too fun to read
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.
What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?
Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.
What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?
Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages
Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour
Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.
Here is what happened;
Calix sr Exo (gif stuff) Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push) Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others)
What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.
On November 03 2016 05:10 Skynx wrote: I mean I really dunno what to add here, its just NAI guys.
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.
What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?
Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages
Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour
Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.
Here is what happened;
Calix sr Exo (gif stuff) Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push) Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others)
What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.
Fact-check. I never stated a scum-read on ExO.
"all pushes are very subjective" - It's Day 1. Of course they are going to be 'subjective'. In fact, almost every single push in the history of mafia is 'subjective'. That doesn't mean you just do nothing since town has to be proactive to gain information, etc etc. This is all very obvious stuff so I won't drone on.
With that in mind, your approach is very hard to understand to me.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.
What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?
Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages
Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour
Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.
Here is what happened;
Calix sr Exo (gif stuff) Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push) Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others)
What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.
What you are doing right now is worse than anything you've complained about, because you should be of the mindset that providing even more unproductive content would only make our situation worse, given your remarks.
Well, Calix is the one to make me explain how NAI stuff is NAI you can blame him for that if you really want to.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
You think it's illogical for me to immediate claim VT before posting a gif?
Give me a break. If anything your attempt to get me to revert to gif posting only and now trying to throw shade on me is indicative of your scum alignment
Please point me to where I 'attempted to get you to revert to gif posting only' if you'd be so kind. You'll note that I specifically said 'I'm glad you are not posting in gifs' (which you then responded to...with a gif...instead of a response)
And yes, it's illogical for town to claim a role and then post a gif in lieu of a coherent response.
If you were actually happy I wasn't posting gifs, why would you bring up the fact that I said I would post primarily gifs? I think any reasonable person realizes that's much more likely to get me to post gifs, than to offer an explanation that will ultimately be irrelevant to the game.
You brought it up in the hopes that I would stick to my word and posts only gifs, instead of helping town. You are scum
##vote Calix
These are absolutely terrible votes.
I dunno what to think about this whole mess. So he thinks darth has slipped? Imo its a very minor thing, even more when considered people said so so many bad stuff in first few hours of the game. Why there is so much emphasis on this one read and not others?
On November 04 2016 20:54 Rels wrote: Skynx has a real shot at being scum too. A lot of his posts just look like fake to me, faking a "not-caring" tone. To compare with Foreman, it looks like Skynx is trying to appear not caring, while Foreman just doesn't care and wite stuff that he thinks. And I know weaker scums tend to do that after losing scumgames 'cause it's easier to play. And I know Skynx is not a very good scum player.
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.
What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?
Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages
On November 03 2016 05:10 Skynx wrote: I mean I really dunno what to add here, its just NAI guys.
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.
What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?
Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages
Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour
Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.
Here is what happened;
Calix sr Exo (gif stuff) Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push) Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others)
What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.
What you are doing right now is worse than anything you've complained about, because you should be of the mindset that providing even more unproductive content would only make our situation worse, given your remarks.
Well, Calix is the one to make me explain how NAI stuff is NAI you can blame him for that if you really want to.
I'm just here to drink milk and fuck bitches.
On November 03 2016 22:17 Skynx wrote: I only like darth so far for making sense with his posts while keeping it short and meaningfull.
I hate TT's reads in p15 or something they are literally the worst. He deserves a vote but I'll touch on this a bit later on.
Exo's reads are quite bad aswell but less bad than TT.
Haven't read Rels yet.
Rest is bad and should feel bad for being able to spam this much and actually say nothing of worth. I'm gona vote for a stfu lynch on the biggest filter for now before i actually get a time to read in detail cuz this shit is unacceptable.
Actually, his only real content were in his 2 huge wall posts. I disagree with pretty much everything he's said in it. A lot of it is just logical mistakes that are not scum tells.
So this is like the most biased read ever. Suggesting me wifoming scum by raging is very biased as he knows I did it in my btdt game as doctor D1 which later on decided the game. He blatantly ignores that and uses my previous scum game to suggest meta.
Then there is the case on Exo, with only argument being Exo is overly defensive which has been used over and over and over again since the minute the game started.
All in all I'm not liking Rels but not sure what to do with him either. He is in no way town yet but none of above makes him objectively scummy compared to TT and NU.
I'm not saying you're raging, you're not raging, I'm saying your tone at the beginning of the game seems forced.
Weird that you liked so many posts but you ended up with a "not liking" read ?
Negatives takes out positives. You're quite null when all things are added up, I'm yet to make up my mind on you i think its yet early in the game so I'm gona need more material.
On November 05 2016 01:43 Calix wrote: No. It's not my job to look for cases for you. That's on you. Town should be reaching out to the town, not vice versa.
With your reads, how is 'retaliation' a town tell?
I don't relate to your DF read.
How is an over-aggressive tone scum-indicative? What examples do you have?
ok.
Retaliation is a town tell because he's getting attacked non-stop for bad reasons. Check vivax and me from Dota mafia, which I know you have been following which is completely the opposite.
I dunno who you're accounting to with the over-aggressive tone, Foreman? I'm not scum reading him, I got no material i specified I didn't read him much.
Yes I have been following it. I still don't follow your point though.
If you think ExO is town then what are your thoughts on how the trains have formed?
In terms of your cases, I'm really not convinced by your NU case and I didn't find anything damning when I filtered TT earlier unless I go full tinfoil and I didn't like DF's case.
Yeah, Foreman. If something is 'over-aggressive' then does that not imply that it's scummy?
I'll build up on both TT and NU cases in the night to convince more people i guess. I feel like Exo lynch will only strengthen my point.
On November 05 2016 01:21 Skynx wrote: I mean Exo did some bad stuff guys, as i quoted previous page.
However, can someone please give me some solid arguments that makes him objective scum like TT and NU? Other than him being defensive all the time which is not even a reason anymore and makes sense as everyone is scumreading him.
- has claimed that his aggression towards Calix at the beginning of the game was fake and just here to provoke reaction, which is something scum always say to explain themselves out of a bad push - has forgotten that he wanted to attack NU and foreman during his sleep and went to attack TT with no reasonning - has forgotten he liked Skynx and listed him as potential scum - has only posted to defend himself yesterday, when Calix intervened to give him some breathing room, he just disappeared instead of doing stuff - martyring, admitting the OMGUS was bad, then OMGUSING some more in the next paragraph (TT and Rels should know better!)
On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote: NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.
Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU
I disagree with both of your scumreads.
Mahrgell's flip on me looked like an honest reassessment. If he was scum, he could have accused me of AtE and used my reach out as grounds to double down on me.
NU... I don't get why you think he's scum.
What do you think of Mahgrell voting me without giving his reasoning just now? What about NU literally taking the words out of rels mouth as a reason to push me, even though rels didn't see it as a reason to scum read me.
foreman read the damn thread. And do something to help town. What did this post accomplish here? What did you disagreeing with me (in a bad way) accomplish?
N O T H I N G
My bad, let me be more productive, then.
##Vote: ExO_
for what reason? Why do you think I'm scum?
You guys see what I mean tho? He's got a point here, he's being tunneled with shitty votes.
In account to your post + Magh's case, I have to agree he looks kinda worse than I originally thought, you guys are convincing. Altho I dunno why you didn't present these in your original case.
However, I still think he's town. Some reasons magh bring up in case regarding Dota mafia. Now I played mafia with him in that game so i have some insight to his mindset and altho i agree what I'm saying here is weak but his play here is different.
All in all tho, what I hate most is the wagon being formed soo easily with no other candidates. Some people are getting a free pass today without adding much content. Now we don't have enough time so I can't properly defend Exo and convince you guys on TT/NU. Anyway we'll see soon.
On November 05 2016 02:02 NeverUnlucky wrote: Skynx's play this game reminds me of this quote from disformation on how to play as mafia: "just posts tons of words. dump a wot in thread now and then, nobody will read them and think you are town for the effort. "
Your irony is overflowing any logic presentable. All you did all game is troll and discredit others. I dunno why is anyone townreading you at this point.
On November 05 2016 01:43 Calix wrote: No. It's not my job to look for cases for you. That's on you. Town should be reaching out to the town, not vice versa.
With your reads, how is 'retaliation' a town tell?
I don't relate to your DF read.
How is an over-aggressive tone scum-indicative? What examples do you have?
ok.
Retaliation is a town tell because he's getting attacked non-stop for bad reasons. Check vivax and me from Dota mafia, which I know you have been following which is completely the opposite.
I dunno who you're accounting to with the over-aggressive tone, Foreman? I'm not scum reading him, I got no material i specified I didn't read him much.
Yes I have been following it. I still don't follow your point though.
If you think ExO is town then what are your thoughts on how the trains have formed?
In terms of your cases, I'm really not convinced by your NU case and I didn't find anything damning when I filtered TT earlier unless I go full tinfoil and I didn't like DF's case.
Yeah, Foreman. If something is 'over-aggressive' then does that not imply that it's scummy?
I'll build up on both TT and NU cases in the night to convince more people i guess. I feel like Exo lynch will only strengthen my point.
I find it quite odd that you're saying that you have this town-lean on ExO (one of your few town-reads/ leans/ whatever) yet you're not really trying to oppose his lynch or convince us how NU/ TT are mafia. (your NU case still makes zero sense, not a single bit)
You just don't seem to care that much at all.
I do care. But town is tunneled for whatever reason.
I did present what is wrong with the lynch. Some votes have justifications. Some votes are terrible, yet they are being ignored by everyone else somehow.
Altho you are right. In the end i spent too much time on mafia today and I have other obligations so there is a laziness factor if you want to see it that way. In addition tho, I think this mislynch will strengthen my point about NU/TT on which I will hopefully be able to convince you guys later on.
On November 05 2016 02:02 NeverUnlucky wrote: Skynx's play this game reminds me of this quote from disformation on how to play as mafia: "just posts tons of words. dump a wot in thread now and then, nobody will read them and think you are town for the effort. "
Your irony is overflowing any logic presentable. All you did all game is troll and discredit others. I dunno why is anyone townreading you at this point.
I trolled this game, eh?
"Discredit others": I've only discredited Calix.
I can count me, Exo, Foreman by memory even without going through your filter.
Anyway while you're here, why do you think Exo is mafia other than this shitty post?
On November 04 2016 08:24 NeverUnlucky wrote: I do not think like you are trying to go somewhere, I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others (ie static reads other than the 180 on Calix) and your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere.
Very town: mahg Townlean: Exo, Calix Not read at all: darth Bad but not thoroughly read:Foreman Nullish cuz neither town nor scum but bad: Rels Scum: TT, NU
I pushed mahg earlier, his respons I liked. His lists later on I liked. He's not overly spammy. He's the most town imo.
Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise.
This to me looks like white-knighting. He gives a reason that I don't think warrants a town-read. I'm inclined to think that ExO is town and Skynx is scum with both their latest posts in mind.
On November 05 2016 01:43 Calix wrote: No. It's not my job to look for cases for you. That's on you. Town should be reaching out to the town, not vice versa.
With your reads, how is 'retaliation' a town tell?
I don't relate to your DF read.
How is an over-aggressive tone scum-indicative? What examples do you have?
ok.
Retaliation is a town tell because he's getting attacked non-stop for bad reasons. Check vivax and me from Dota mafia, which I know you have been following which is completely the opposite.
I dunno who you're accounting to with the over-aggressive tone, Foreman? I'm not scum reading him, I got no material i specified I didn't read him much.
Yes I have been following it. I still don't follow your point though.
If you think ExO is town then what are your thoughts on how the trains have formed?
In terms of your cases, I'm really not convinced by your NU case and I didn't find anything damning when I filtered TT earlier unless I go full tinfoil and I didn't like DF's case.
Yeah, Foreman. If something is 'over-aggressive' then does that not imply that it's scummy?
I'll build up on both TT and NU cases in the night to convince more people i guess. I feel like Exo lynch will only strengthen my point.
I find it quite odd that you're saying that you have this town-lean on ExO (one of your few town-reads/ leans/ whatever) yet you're not really trying to oppose his lynch or convince us how NU/ TT are mafia. (your NU case still makes zero sense, not a single bit)
You just don't seem to care that much at all.
I do care. But town is tunneled for whatever reason.
I did present what is wrong with the lynch. Some votes have justifications. Some votes are terrible, yet they are being ignored by everyone else somehow.
Altho you are right. In the end i spent too much time on mafia today and I have other obligations so there is a laziness factor if you want to see it that way. In addition tho, I think this mislynch will strengthen my point about NU/TT on which I will hopefully be able to convince you guys later on.
You're already using the "I told you so" argument and ExO has not yet flipped.
I also have no idea how his flip would lead to me being scum.
On November 05 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote: Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise.
Why is it a towntell ? If you think he would do that as town, what would he do as scum ?
Blatant ridiculing of pushes cuz they are weak as fuck. He cannot instantly push them back as scum cuz he already has the information and he doesn't know yet how those people gona turn out later on so he cannot aford to take heat on himself early on.
On November 05 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote: Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise.
Why is it a towntell ? If you think he would do that as town, what would he do as scum ?
Blatant ridiculing of pushes cuz they are weak as fuck. He cannot instantly push them back as scum cuz he already has the information and he doesn't know yet how those people gona turn out later on so he cannot aford to take heat on himself early on.
That doesn't make sense. How he was extremely defensive for nothing and attacking his pushers instead of their arguments is why he got heat in the first place.
Not for nothing. Pushes were bad so he counter pushed. That makes sense.
He cannot do that as scum less than an hour into the game cuz those ppl can turn out townie and that would look bad on him.
On November 05 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote: Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise.
Why is it a towntell ? If you think he would do that as town, what would he do as scum ?
Blatant ridiculing of pushes cuz they are weak as fuck. He cannot instantly push them back as scum cuz he already has the information and he doesn't know yet how those people gona turn out later on so he cannot aford to take heat on himself early on.
That doesn't make sense. How he was extremely defensive for nothing and attacking his pushers instead of their arguments is why he got heat in the first place.
Not for nothing. Pushes were bad so he counter pushed. That makes sense.
He cannot do that as scum less than an hour into the game cuz those ppl can turn out townie and that would look bad on him.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
You think it's illogical for me to immediate claim VT before posting a gif?
Give me a break. If anything your attempt to get me to revert to gif posting only and now trying to throw shade on me is indicative of your scum alignment
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
You think it's illogical for me to immediate claim VT before posting a gif?
Give me a break. If anything your attempt to get me to revert to gif posting only and now trying to throw shade on me is indicative of your scum alignment
Please point me to where I 'attempted to get you to revert to gif posting only' if you'd be so kind. You'll note that I specifically said 'I'm glad you are not posting in gifs' (which you then responded to...with a gif...instead of a response)
And yes, it's illogical for town to claim a role and then post a gif in lieu of a coherent response.
If you were actually happy I wasn't posting gifs, why would you bring up the fact that I said I would post primarily gifs? I think any reasonable person realizes that's much more likely to get me to post gifs, than to offer an explanation that will ultimately be irrelevant to the game.
You brought it up in the hopes that I would stick to my word and posts only gifs, instead of helping town. You are scum
On November 03 2016 03:25 ExO_ wrote: What about my response is overly defensive? I'm pointing out that essentially reminding me I promised to "post gifs" Isn't going to help town in any way. Furthermore, its not something a reasonable person would think would help town.
Assuming for a second I took the time to answer Calix's question about why I didn't just post gifs: How does that help town? My explanation doesn't help town at all, nor would it be expected to help town. However a reasonably expectable reaction to Calix's question would be for me to start posting gifs again.
So long story short, I think Calix posted that in the hopes I would post gifs more and not help town
bolded is town. rest is bad but I can't really do anything about it. Its the same with him saying he did it to get reactions out.
On November 05 2016 02:02 NeverUnlucky wrote: Skynx's play this game reminds me of this quote from disformation on how to play as mafia: "just posts tons of words. dump a wot in thread now and then, nobody will read them and think you are town for the effort. "
Your irony is overflowing any logic presentable. All you did all game is troll and discredit others. I dunno why is anyone townreading you at this point.
I trolled this game, eh?
"Discredit others": I've only discredited Calix.
I can count me, Exo, Foreman by memory even without going through your filter.
Anyway while you're here, why do you think Exo is mafia other than this shitty post?
On November 04 2016 08:24 NeverUnlucky wrote: I do not think like you are trying to go somewhere, I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others (ie static reads other than the 180 on Calix) and your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere.
On November 05 2016 02:27 ExO_ wrote: God I hope I can make it back home before EoD. In short do NOT let the people hard pushing me saying it reveals nothing about alignment if I flip town, get away with it.
They're covering their asses now because they know im about to flip town.
I genuinely think this is a very town response...
... which reinforces my Skynx scum-read.
CFD Skynx imo.
I disagree. Exo is still the best lynch.
Every single one of his posts has just been him trying to survive the day, this one included.
That's not scum AI. I would not want to be lynched either if I had this many votes.
So then it's NAI.
Why would you townread him then?
His tone feels right.
What a hero distancing himself from the lynch. Guys please wake the fuck up.
On November 05 2016 02:27 ExO_ wrote: God I hope I can make it back home before EoD. In short do NOT let the people hard pushing me saying it reveals nothing about alignment if I flip town, get away with it.
They're covering their asses now because they know im about to flip town.
I genuinely think this is a very town response...
... which reinforces my Skynx scum-read.
CFD Skynx imo.
I disagree. Exo is still the best lynch.
Every single one of his posts has just been him trying to survive the day, this one included.
That's not scum AI. I would not want to be lynched either if I had this many votes.
So then it's NAI.
Why would you townread him then?
His tone feels right.
What a hero distancing himself from the lynch. Guys please wake the fuck up.
What are you doing atm?
lmao
Yeah I almost forgot, thank you for reminding. ##Unvote ##Vote: NeverUnlucky
On November 05 2016 02:02 NeverUnlucky wrote: Skynx's play this game reminds me of this quote from disformation on how to play as mafia: "just posts tons of words. dump a wot in thread now and then, nobody will read them and think you are town for the effort. "
Your irony is overflowing any logic presentable. All you did all game is troll and discredit others. I dunno why is anyone townreading you at this point.
I trolled this game, eh?
"Discredit others": I've only discredited Calix.
I can count me, Exo, Foreman by memory even without going through your filter.
Anyway while you're here, why do you think Exo is mafia other than this shitty post?
On November 04 2016 08:24 NeverUnlucky wrote: I do not think like you are trying to go somewhere, I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others (ie static reads other than the 180 on Calix) and your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere.
I'm never ever moving away from NU unless kush comes down from the clouds with all his almighty convincing powers and tell me he is town or someone here can defend him to an equal measure.
On November 05 2016 02:02 NeverUnlucky wrote: Skynx's play this game reminds me of this quote from disformation on how to play as mafia: "just posts tons of words. dump a wot in thread now and then, nobody will read them and think you are town for the effort. "
Your irony is overflowing any logic presentable. All you did all game is troll and discredit others. I dunno why is anyone townreading you at this point.
I trolled this game, eh?
"Discredit others": I've only discredited Calix.
I can count me, Exo, Foreman by memory even without going through your filter.
Anyway while you're here, why do you think Exo is mafia other than this shitty post?
On November 04 2016 08:24 NeverUnlucky wrote: I do not think like you are trying to go somewhere, I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others (ie static reads other than the 180 on Calix) and your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere.
Still awaiting a response on this NU.
I never discredited any of the dudes you listed.
The post you quoted has all your answers.
So tone makes him scum.
But also tone now makes him town.
Okay.
dafuq
I literally never said ExO had a scum tone.
I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others
I'm only hoping that this is not one of those games where you are just bad town and forced me to tunnel on you again and mafia is just having a freewin cuz now you are objectively the scummiest person here.
We woulda lost Haunted Haus if townroles wasn't op cuz of this.
On November 05 2016 02:45 mahrgell wrote: Okay, I just made it back and finished reading up. I see no reason to change my vote. Exo's posts past my case have ust reinforced my impression further. I guess we see him flip and continue from there. I finally want to dive into Skynx/DF and TT. ^.^ Should be doing that before this nights Habs game if family doesn't keep me busy. Otherwise I for sure will have it done before end of the night.
At this point I'm actually a bit surprised how I'm suddenly everybodys darling. I guess I want to look i this progression too, as I feel kinda buddied here.
Then again... lets flip Exo first... This certainly will provide interesting information.
On November 05 2016 02:47 ExO_ wrote: Calix/Skynx any questions you have please ask me, before I flip as town please ask now. I will try my best to answer quickly. I'm 100% sure you two are town and the people like NU trying to discredit Skynx are almost certainly going to be scum
On November 05 2016 02:47 Skynx wrote: I'm only hoping that this is not one of those games where you are just bad town and forced me to tunnel on you again and mafia is just having a freewin cuz now you are objectively the scummiest person here.
We woulda lost Haunted Haus if townroles wasn't op cuz of this.
I was universally town-read in that game, and you did not tunnel me ????????
We did not win because of the OP roles, we won because Shapelog went AFK and the two other mobs did not care.
I don't want to derail but you obv haven't read qts.
HF wanted to shoot you. Obs qt disfo was 100% scum on you. I was opting to send message implying you as mafia if Calix didn't convince me you're town cuz of meta.
Shapelog also woulda survived if i didn't shennanie on him.
On November 05 2016 02:54 ExO_ wrote: If there is one thing you do please listen to me: You need to figure out the scum out of Rels/TT/NU
They are going to try to push suspicion on to people like skynx here. Do not let them. I'm speaking to all of you town, figure out which one of them is scum and lynch them
These kinds of posts are making me think ExO is town.
Fuck.
I'll just say that if you are town then I'll keep this in mind.
This post is aimed at clarifying exactly why Mahg's case doesn't make me scum as everyone seems to be sheeping this case so this will address all of your pointers at once rather than defending against everyone one by one.
First: Calix said, when I asked her about Skynx: "I tr Skynx, because scum doesnt dare to play FU-all". Now I have only read Dota2, he was scum, and he used pretty much the same style from early on. From all the posts about Skynx meta I conclude, that this seems to be his town meta too... So... This isn't really swaying me in one direction or the other. ust to get this out of the way.
This is biased, as he has only read my 2nd ever scum game whilst ignoring my 10 or so previous games rolling town where I lost like 1-2. Point about my meta is therefore incomplete. To say the least, I have no meta, I just try to apply logic in every scenario and end up getting scumread for it most of the time, which is most of the time part of the strategy as I only got nk'd twice.
In dota2mafia I didn't had that much time to play, in addition Koshi and Vivax were confirmed scum from D1 so i being lazy just bussed them early on and see what happens. Some ppl noticing this, bring up my meta, where everything has to happen for a reason and claimed my reasons for sr'ing them were shit.
Key thing here is reason and logic. I hate hate players who defy all logic (*cough* Moosy *cough*) and love players who take it as a pillar of townplay (aka Koshi). You will see how this makes sense later on.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
You think it's illogical for me to immediate claim VT before posting a gif?
Give me a break. If anything your attempt to get me to revert to gif posting only and now trying to throw shade on me is indicative of your scum alignment
Why so defensive, mate? :<
"Give me a break" after two trivial questions is much of an over-exaggeration, mang.
mahrgell (spelled your name right), what do you make of Exo and Calix's lil" chit chat so far? c:
1) I'm very proud you got my name correct this time. Maybe we delay your lynch a few days!
2) Calix: Looked to me like an "let's start the game" thing, I don't share Exo's interpretation that Calix wanted to silence him. This does not tell anything about Calix though. Could be fake activity, considering that those pathetically weak early attempts rarely lead to much information, could also honest interest in starting something. So nothing here.
3) Exo: his retaliation seemed... weird. I don't see a point there. I guess I could consider it something meta'ish that you blindly accuse everyone day1 to be mafia to "apply pressure and get things going". So either minor scumlean or just some broken metashit.
4) conclusion: I consider it for now as TvT, if it is MvT I would lean more in facor of Calix being the townie, I doubt it is MvM, but well... people can prep the most stupid shit before the game... Let's wait and see
PS: if anyone is not a he and wants to be called a she... tell me... Otherwise I use internet rule #1 and consider everyone a male.
Bolded gives two opposite directions of having a lean on Exo. "Wierd and pointless" for a scum perspective for overreaction and "pressure and get the game going" for town perspective. He looks quite uncertain about both regards by his specific wording.
On November 03 2016 03:59 mahrgell wrote: @Exo so, you are sticking with Calix as your prime scumcandidate?
Exo replies yes. Mahg says nothing.
Mind you this is like the only thing going on in the thread other than Calix vs NU. Then he goes after NU, accusing him of not following up on Exo vote and posts this.
On November 03 2016 04:01 mahrgell wrote: @Foreman Now that you noticed your misread. Are you still going after Calix, or have you shifted your focus on NU? Would the argument you made for Calix also apply to NU? Or where do you see the difference there?
The fact he isn't voting ExO does not make his push any less disingenuous.
Knock knock, Calix is here, asking you to read my NU case like a good dear.
Is my NU case also disingenuous? If so, how?
Considering you've yet to acquit yourself for that shady ExO push, I'm not concerned about your NU push when he isn't even here to respond to it.
Why not? Following multiple leads is not bad for town. And even if we flip Calix in the end, no matter what color it is, having his talking points discussed would be beneficial to town. So I can't understand that refusal to comment on it. Especially as I would be very interested in your opinion.
Don't worry, we won't forget about Calix. And if you feel it got forgotten, ust bring it up later again, if someone wants to balem you for it, just forward it to me.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
Bolded sentence implies a scumread, as if someone thinks a sane person would do something illogical from a town perspective that would suggest it would be a logical move from scum perspective.
This gets noticed, and called out by many including Exo, NU, Foreman and magh? if i remember correctly and see how much defence there is for "I didn't scumread Exo". I'm spoilering them cuz they are just so many. + Show Spoiler +
On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote: Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:
I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth
This is another example of anti-town behaviour which I do not agree with.
That is NOT the same as pro-scum. Allow me to clear that one up.
Some people seem to be misinterpreting my stance on ExO as "scum-lean" when it's not.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should
##Vote Calix
Sheep vote noted.
How is claiming that posting gifs after claiming a role tryhard?
So you accuse me of sheeping, then question my push.
Discredit noted.
Giving somebody crap for not shitting up the thread has a couple different scum motivations behind it:
1) You are going after an easy target for not doing what they said they'd do (after they got some friction about it when they announced it, iirc?)
2) Your post clearly nudged them to return to that practice despite your transparent disclaimer, which would be pro-scum if they were to do so.
You are voting right after I received a vote. There is no discrediting here, only using evidence to draw a conclusion.
Why would I not question your push? I don't consider 'tryhard' to be a scum-tell and wanted to know what your logic was for thinking so.
I am not scum-reading ExO. That's not 'going after an easy target', it's asking for a response to a simple question.
No it didn't. I asked why they weren't doing it. That cannot be interpreted as a subtle nudge to keep doing it in any world.
It's not pro-scum. It's anti-town.
Sheeping is voting using somebody else's reasons. I voted with my own push.
Not the same thing.
If you're not scumreading ExO, your vote is in the wrong place.
Shitting up a thread is pro-scum because it allows scum to more easily hide in the noise it creates.
I may be new to this site, but don't think for a second that means you can bullshit me.
Correction. I am not voting for ExO and you should be suspicious of me if I was given that you (correctly) think I am not scum-reading him.
See my previous response for my take on anti-town/ pro-scum.
On November 03 2016 03:21 NeverUnlucky wrote: Haiii guises, let us keep this atmosphere positive!
I agree with Mr. Foreman and Mr. ExO that Calix's push is not her greatest, and I also agree with Calix that ExO's defensive response looks scummy!
Foreman, may I ask you where you are coming from in terms of community? c:
I'm not pushing ExO. That's being extremely generous.
I never claimed that ExO was scummy, just illogical. I didn't even call him defensive. Where did you get that from?
I said that.
Your quote says "I agree WITH CALIX" which implies that I said "ExO being defensive is scummy" at some point.
Clarify this now, please.
I actually don't agree with the points you've made. ExO's defensive, that's as much as one can say on his subject.
Offski.
I for one do not like NU. His tone seems weird, he makes statements that are factually inaccurate/ putting words into my mouth and then retracts them when called out on them. I don't understand why.
Given that he's just disappeared, I'll wait for a response before concluding anything for sure but he's giving me bad vibes at the moment.
Well 1) I share NU's interpretation of what happened. 2) I appreciate his call for civil communication, from what I read in Cruisetrip he could have also easily heated up the fire without it looking worse than his usual play. 3) But I also agree with you, that it is weird for him to "buddy" you, by pretending you were sharing his self made points. I don't think there is much reason for him to try to appease you.
With regards to Point 2, he is much tamer when he is scum. I'm not claiming that this is a 100% guaranteed tell (he is also busy and this has led to him being more subdued in the past) but it's in the back of my mind.
Well in my opinion, this is how it went down:
- He asks why ExO is being overly defensive. - I call ExO anti-town. - He misrepresented my positions by claiming that he agreed that I was a) scum-reading ExO and b) scum-reading ExO due to being overly defensive. - I ask him where he interpreted this from as those are not my positions. - He denies claiming this. - I tell him that he literally said in his quote "I agree with Calix"
This is where the scummy part is. He immediately backtracks from that position by saying "well I don't agree" and leaves it at that.
That's scummy because this progression could be NU trying to plant ideas inside of my head without actually taking responsibility for having the idea.
This is a compelling explanation because the ExO/ Calix discussion was still going on at this time. Thus, it's possible that he was trying to manipulate me into agreeing that ExO's behaviour is scummy.
It's also possible because I am well-known for getting myself into tunnels so I am a viable target.
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.
What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?
Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages
Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour
Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.
Here is what happened;
Calix sr Exo (gif stuff) Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push) Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others)
What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.
Fact-check. I never stated a scum-read on ExO.
"all pushes are very subjective" - It's Day 1. Of course they are going to be 'subjective'. In fact, almost every single push in the history of mafia is 'subjective'. That doesn't mean you just do nothing since town has to be proactive to gain information, etc etc. This is all very obvious stuff so I won't drone on.
With that in mind, your approach is very hard to understand to me.
On November 03 2016 05:17 Calix wrote: Stating that someone's illogical =/= scum-read, Skynx dear.
As for mahrgell, if you're using mind melds to inform a read then that's fine. But from my point of view, I don't get the same impression when it's vice versa. I would have to see you post things first that I agreed with before I would make that read. It's mostly been you agreeing with me if I recall correctly so I can see where you're coming from in terms of perspective.
The whole thing is just so bullshit. Ofc you imply that he is scum. How can you say that he is being anti-town but at the same time say that "sorry guys he's anti-town but I'm not scumreading him"?
What was the point of that in the end? Obviously nothing, you tried something as a scum and got called out and had to backpaddle for next 5 pages try to bury it.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should
##Vote Calix
Very dodgy vote for "overanalyzing = tryhard" or w/e. Gets called out by Calix, as his vote came after NU with very little reasoning behind.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should
##Vote Calix
Sheep vote noted.
How is claiming that posting gifs after claiming a role tryhard?
So you accuse me of sheeping, then question my push.
Discredit noted.
Giving somebody crap for not shitting up the thread has a couple different scum motivations behind it:
1) You are going after an easy target for not doing what they said they'd do (after they got some friction about it when they announced it, iirc?)
2) Your post clearly nudged them to return to that practice despite your transparent disclaimer, which would be pro-scum if they were to do so.
First, it was not a push. You voted Calix for absolutely nothing scum indicative then call his callout discrediting you.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should
##Vote Calix
Sheep vote noted.
How is claiming that posting gifs after claiming a role tryhard?
So you accuse me of sheeping, then question my push.
Discredit noted.
Giving somebody crap for not shitting up the thread has a couple different scum motivations behind it:
1) You are going after an easy target for not doing what they said they'd do (after they got some friction about it when they announced it, iirc?)
2) Your post clearly nudged them to return to that practice despite your transparent disclaimer, which would be pro-scum if they were to do so.
You are voting right after I received a vote. There is no discrediting here, only using evidence to draw a conclusion.
Why would I not question your push? I don't consider 'tryhard' to be a scum-tell and wanted to know what your logic was for thinking so.
I am not scum-reading ExO. That's not 'going after an easy target', it's asking for a response to a simple question.
No it didn't. I asked why they weren't doing it. That cannot be interpreted as a subtle nudge to keep doing it in any world.
It's not pro-scum. It's anti-town.
Sheeping is voting using somebody else's reasons. I voted with my own push.
Not the same thing.
If you're not scumreading ExO, your vote is in the wrong place.
Shitting up a thread is pro-scum because it allows scum to more easily hide in the noise it creates.
I may be new to this site, but don't think for a second that means you can bullshit me.
You didn't have a push. You voted, then made up reasons for it cuz the vote was shit: The so called "tryhard and overanalyzing" transformed into "going after low hanging fruit and motivating people to behave anti-town"
- accuses 3 players of scummish behaviour/mistakes - no followup or conclusion. - Should this be read as "you are scum" or as a "you are town but suck"? - If it is the first, I would expect him to follow up on it. But he did not. - If it is the second, shouldn't it be in his interest to guide them to the light, instead of shading them with this aimless post. If you consider them shitty town mates, you need them!
To me this posts fits a scum agenda. From a mafia POV: He spots legitimate weaknesses by townies, brings them up, casts doubt, but no follow up.
Not every read in the game has to be scum or town. These are not scumreads for a reason. This is the proper way of progressing the game as opposed to blatant spamming prior to this.
Let's take a look at what this accomplished. People accounted in this list had the obvious necessity of reacting to it, what matters is tho their reaction. Your reply made sense, it logically accounted for and answered everything I asked there, as opposed to TT's reaction where he basically ignored all the pointers and just wrote whatever cuz people don't read.
This resulted in me adding town points for you and scum points for TT, a culmination of which, results in a definite read from me.
TL;DR: this should not be read as what mahg suggested earlier on (aka you're scum or town) instead it's a way of progressing the game in a positive and collected manner.
Instead he followed it up with a case on TT. Uhm... Yeah. I can't really follow it. At this point TT was mostly untouched, and this was like a "Look, I'm a cool guy and go for someone no one ever went for" This isn't a bad thing, but when doing it I would have expected something more convincing. But this case reads weaker than what he brought against Calix or me just the post before.
Well, I disagree. I think those two posts made by TT are so bad that he spent the rest of the game trying to make up for them.
I'm split on his post on NU It kinda ignores the maybe-softconfirm on NU... But in general it voices a lot of concerns I have with NU. I can't make up my mind how to interpret doing such a post against a softconfirm (without detailing why you doubt the softconfirm). I can find good explanations and bad explanations, so maybe someone else wants to share his opinion on that.
Remember the point about logic? Modconfirms are nothing to me unless they are 100% like Palmar giving away his doctor role on previous haunted haus. I read it and it didn't make sense to me, nor to rest of the town. When a modconfirm happens everyone is on it and its undeniable, which is not the case here and NU trying to present it like that is irritating to say the least.
Very town: mahg Townlean: Exo, Calix Not read at all: darth Bad but not thoroughly read:Foreman Nullish cuz neither town nor scum but bad: Rels Scum: TT, NU
I pushed mahg earlier, his respons I liked. His lists later on I liked. He's not overly spammy. He's the most town imo.
Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise.
Calix is quite null actually this was hard to decide. His early game has been bad a he should know better by now after 3 games here that him vs NU just results in them filling filters and nothing else. He needs more thorough read for sure. I'm mostly townreading him on tone which I'm kinda confident after playing with him often in past few months, which i know is bad but its the best i can do atm.
Darth had that conspiracy about his opinion on me as a reason Rels and some others scumread, which doesn't mean anything imo but need to read him later on. I just got the feeling he's not been bad overall.
I don't like Foreman's over-aggressive tone. He didn't get much going against him but why so aggressive then? He most definitely needs a re-read, I think he's been flying under the radar.
Read above for opinions on Rels.
Read cases in filter for opinions on NU and TT.
I bolded the part that triggers me. Okay, he doubted me at first, later said he liked my reasoning in a oneliner. Suddenly I'm toptown. Wow, quick progression, but he posted an explanation why this is the case, okay. I bolded the key part.
His next town is Exo. Didn't I just spent the largest part of my more recent post (at this time) volume on casing Exo? He even asks in his next post for cases on Exo and questions why I'm voting him. WTF? - You liked my posts? But hadn't yet found a case on exo? - You liked my posts, but don't know why I'm voting him? - You call me out for having no reasoning in my vote, but call me your toptown?
Again back to reasoning. Now, I knew Exo was town. I just fking knew it by some divine righteousness (aka scumqt lololol) So what distincts you, Calix, Darth from NU/TT? Reasoning.
You had a solid case on him backed by logical evidence, even if it's wrong, thats a town tell. Town is usually wrong on D1 so dw about that. I didn't call you out for that post, that was way before. You do have a point with "you don't know why i'm voting him":
On November 05 2016 01:21 Skynx wrote: I mean Exo did some bad stuff guys, as i quoted previous page.
However, can someone please give me some solid arguments that makes him objective scum like TT and NU? Other than him being defensive all the time which is not even a reason anymore and makes sense as everyone is scumreading him.
How is NU objective scum? I saw nothing of the sort in your case.
I also disagree that TT is 'objective scum'.
I'm also not sure how you missed all of the ExO posts with regards to the early game/ TT's case/ Rels' post before he voted for ExO/ my posts prior to voting for ExO/ darthfoley's post before voting for ExO. I'm not saying that everything in those posts I've flagged up meets your criteria of 'objective scum' but there's definitely a better case for ExO compared to TT/ NU.
I disagree. Can you bring up cases on Exo? I know Rels is voting Exo cuz of over defensiveness. I know NU is voting Exo for very very bad reasons which makes him scum, this is in my case. Same for TT. I have no idea why you, Foreman and mahg vote Exo.
This was a an obv bait. Calix and you were the only ones to have proper cases and Foreman was afk. I know this sounds fishy but there is no other way to put this. This was supposed to underline why voting Exo makes NU/TT scum: because they had nothing more than 2 sentences worth of material to scumread Exo.
On November 05 2016 01:43 Calix wrote: No. It's not my job to look for cases for you. That's on you. Town should be reaching out to the town, not vice versa.
With your reads, how is 'retaliation' a town tell?
I don't relate to your DF read.
How is an over-aggressive tone scum-indicative? What examples do you have?
ok.
Retaliation is a town tell because he's getting attacked non-stop for bad reasons. Check vivax and me from Dota mafia, which I know you have been following which is completely the opposite.
I dunno who you're accounting to with the over-aggressive tone, Foreman? I'm not scum reading him, I got no material i specified I didn't read him much.
Yes I have been following it. I still don't follow your point though.
If you think ExO is town then what are your thoughts on how the trains have formed?
In terms of your cases, I'm really not convinced by your NU case and I didn't find anything damning when I filtered TT earlier unless I go full tinfoil and I didn't like DF's case.
Yeah, Foreman. If something is 'over-aggressive' then does that not imply that it's scummy?
I'll build up on both TT and NU cases in the night to convince more people i guess. I feel like Exo lynch will only strengthen my point.
Again, I bolded the part that struck me. (this same line is repeated few posts later) This posts starts a build up I really don't like. He never doubts for a moment that Exo could be scum. His best reasoning for Exo not being scum were some emotells on retaliation and everything. It's okay to believe Exo to be town. But 100% sure he is town? No way. But from this point on, Skynx started his campaign of: "I defended Exo all the time, Exo flips Green, I'm the good guy."
He later on confirms my case to be convincing, yet his question at Exo is again "what you thing about foreman and Mahrgell?" What am I? Toptown? unreasoned voter? convincing? scumsus again? What a rollercoaster.
Reasons Exo was 100% town at that point: 1) retaliation for right reasons 2) there is only 1 wagon which formed very quickly with half the voters sheeping. 3) meta cuz I just left a scumgame with exo as partner and it was totally different.
I did bring up all these points before the lynch and they were quickly thrown under the rug for whatever reason. I could try to bring up a shennanie but only NU was willing and hihihi guess what, he's not gona go on TT. The point of my whole Exo defence was to bring out TT/NU.
His opinion on Foreman matters who hasn't done shit, and his opinion on you is just another pointer on you. You were top town but reads are never definite, they change all the time and all the stuff that culminates into that pool has their weighing.
I somehow liked this post. So I expected some critical thinking now. Some arguments. But I was let down. The problem I see is: in all those posts he confirms how he believes this to be a mislynch. He defends Exo_ lightly. But... I fail to see where he tried to change it. If he was so sure of this to be wrong, why not change the track? Again push for another lynch, convince people to hop off Exo, and follow Skynx read. This all reads like "please lynch Exo, so I'm proven correct that he is good". He started casting doubt on Exo voters motivation. But this is not what was needed here to save Exo. What was needed was another train. Throwing one vote around randomly isn't doing that. He was more concerned about being right than about changing the lynch.
Thing about shennanies are they go same way with reads. If one does shennanie on to someone without proper reasoning while having a solid case on the vote already then I can't really interpret that as town or scum.
Let's imagine a case where Calix shennanies off to TT aswell as NU.
On November 05 2016 02:54 ExO_ wrote: If there is one thing you do please listen to me: You need to figure out the scum out of Rels/TT/NU
They are going to try to push suspicion on to people like skynx here. Do not let them. I'm speaking to all of you town, figure out which one of them is scum and lynch them
These kinds of posts are making me think ExO is town.
Fuck.
I'll just say that if you are town then I'll keep this in mind.
inb4 Skynx calls out Calix for distancing
/unignore
Calix has reasons to vote Exo, unlike somebody.
/ignore
Now what separates NU from Calix? Sometimes its better to leave lynches be and draw information from it even if you knew its a mislynch. I'm perfectly capable shennanying scum, people here can confirm that.
He later again picked a fight with NU. I actually share his concerns regarding NU again but now as I wrote this all up... This actually started with quite some time left before lynch. And he promised t make a case on NU during the night. Oh, great. Exactly what is needed to save someone you are sure to be town from a mislynch. I feel much worse about Skynx now than before writing. I originally felt like he was Neut, maximum a slight scumlean. But at this point I'm strongly scum leaning him.
My case on Exo was mostly due to his seemingly complete lack of town agenda. But with Skynx... At this point I can see a full blown scum agenda here. All I see him do it throwing around shade at virtually everyone. He then pulls back, and goes at it again with someone else. Most of those shade throws are not tied to any consequence. (I'm aware that I'm very fond of doing that too, but I explained my reasoning and I believe that my play style is very different from Skynx) And this buildup for the Exolynch just triggers me hard.
Bolded is the key bit here trust me. If all i said above doesn't tie together then go ahead lynch me. But the Exo townread is still the main driver behind my train apparently so I'm just asking you to make a balance between the two.
If my points above are shit, you lynch me. If i fail to make sense on NU/TT, you lynch me. But pls for the sake of god don't lynch me cuz wifom wifom I tr'd Exo on EoD cuz thats fking stupid.
On November 05 2016 03:14 Calix wrote: So I think we should take TT into consideration more. I'm wary because he just led a ML and I'm not sure wherever scum!TT would do this. After all, people will naturally focus on the person who had yelled for ExO's head the entire day and only had one scum-read and scum don't want attention.
However I find TT's reluctance to see ExO's actions from a town perspective prior to the lynch to be suspect. He ignored Rels' earlier point about ExO's VT claim and kept making generalisations about ExO's play at EOD.
(also salty/ biased because his tinfoil theory against me was absolute crap)
So I am not a fan right now.
On November 05 2016 04:44 Calix wrote: I would just like to say that Skynx's "ExO is town because of how he retaliated against the pushes against him" logic stretches back a long way. I'm in TT's filter and in Skynx's TT case, he criticises TT for scum-reading ExO because "he had right to do that, he got voted by someone else plus the guy making the push didn't vote for him and said he is not even scumreading him. He has to retaliate here otherwise people will accuse him for not going after shitty pushes." This means that Skynx didn't just randomly invent a reason to town-read ExO.
Also TT's point about "scum not wanting to draw attention to themselves" still doesn't make any sense. He town-reads Skynx for it (but retracts it later because 'he's self-aware about it being his town-meta'). This 'logic' leads to this delightful piece of wankery:
On November 04 2016 05:04 Tictock wrote: Actually didn't someone mention that Skynx said he tries to open scummy to see who goes after him?
If that's true then I have to throw out my line of thought about his early game. Clearly scum!Skynx would try to replicate that type of play from his towngames.
Eh?
Your first line is correct. Skynx claims that he acts scummy to see who goes for the low-hanging fruit as a town tactic.
Your conclusion is making me scratch my head. I don't see how learning about Skynx' play-style -> thinking he'd replicate it as scum -> entrance posts are null.
Because I was giving his early posts a townlean because he was drawing attn to himself and scum tend to not want to do that.
However if Skynx has an established meta (and more importantly is self aware of it) of playing scummy at the start of the game to draw attention then my initial thinking no longer applies. Scum!skynx would go out of his way to act scummy at the start simply to replicate that aspect of his townplay.
And thinking about it more this was it would make Skynx's early posts make more sense if he is scum trying to replicate his bad start of day play. Stuff like calling the entire early game NAI, and complaining about reading constantly make a bit more sense coming from scum trolling than town trolling. However this is prob a line of thought that only makes sense to me.
The logic is absent. There are only assumptions to be found.
(also the last line hedges on his theory because even he knows how utterly moronic it is. I'm only noting this because he's been doing that hedging thing a lot)
He also scum-reads ExO because 'he didn't want to draw attention to himself by only posting gifs'
What's the issue here? He somehow thinks that ExO overreacting to my question, being overly defensive and lashing out at me is something that...will NOT get ExO a shit-load of attention...?
He has to think that. Why?
- He scum-reads ExO. - He claims that scum don't like attention and that ExO didn't post gifs because he didn't want attention. - Therefore he has to think that ExO's reaction was intentionally designed to not get attention onto ExO.
Here's what I found:
On November 04 2016 06:09 Tictock wrote:
On November 04 2016 06:01 Calix wrote: But how hard is it to just say something like "oh I was joking" or "I wanted to play the game properly" or something? Maybe I'm just assuming that ExO is as amazingly intelligent as I am, but that doesn't seem like a stretch for scum.
His later behaviour is more concerning to me. I don't really like it and the point which I found the most interesting from him is something that you claim was a joke. (I think)
Thats actually kinda my point, town!Exo could have said the same things, or started posting gifs to joke around.
What did we see? Him getting butthurt that you called him out for not posting Gifs and attacking you for it.
How does anyone think that attacking me and getting salty are things that won't draw attention to ExO?
My god you are digging so deep into this, and I thought we went over it already.
Exo's scumread on you was pure reaction, even when I thought he was scum I thought that. I never thought it was some grandly designed post, it was basically just like the rest of Exo's reads which were just "Fuck you for scum reading me".
I really don't get why this argument keeps coming up, there was a very clear difference between Exo's early posting and Skynx's early posting. I'm not going to use the same metric/logic/whatever when I feel like there is a clear difference in the posting.
If you are going to keep up this line of thinking you should actually relook at their opening posts and tell me why I should have blindly used the same logic with both of them. Then you should explain why I, as scum, would even bother suggesting skynx might be town for drawing attn to himself rather than just let him draw that attn and push him along with Exo... which I did anyways.
The TLDR of this is Exo's posts looked like he was just reacting and trying to step up to play seriously after you questioned him, Skynx responded to pressure with more bullshitting. Not the same posting, not using the same logic, hence my read was different.
Please scum read me for better reasons, talking about the same point over and over gets old.
On November 06 2016 03:08 Calix wrote: Looks like I'll just be teaming up with TT then. He seems to have screwed his head back on.
##vote Rels
I dunno why you drop on TT so easily Calix.
The point is valid, Exo's early retaliation and over-aggressiveness to you pressuring him was his only reason to vote Exo. However, that doesn't make exo scum for the reasons mentioned, therefore he is just bullshitting here.
I dunno about the part where he townread me for drawing attention so I can't really comment on that. The bolded where he suggests its because we have different post styles is just a long shot, it can go both ways and its not any definite argument we can use here.
The main bit is he literally lynched Exo for no reason that would make him scum. I dunno why people just don't focus on actual big hitters.
On November 07 2016 07:57 Calix wrote: So I read the entire thing and I'm not sure what to make of it. I'll reread in the morning in case I'm just missing anything because I'm tired but my initial impressions are this:
1. I didn't understand most of it very well. 2. I thought a bunch of the defense went off-topic and didn't add anything whatsoever. 3. I didn't feel any townie motivation shine through in the posts and it was boring. By boring, I mean that I have to keep scrolling up to remember what Skynx said even though I just read and reread it twice before making this fucking response. 4. A lot of it felt debate-orientated to me. (ties in with point 2)
Also this is a moonlogic-tier point but I find it scummy when people switch from using "mahrgell" in the third person to "you" when addressing mahrgell in the way that Skynx did. I could tell people why but nobody would have a clue what I was on about. So I'll just leave this here.
Exactly that, Calix.
None of what Skynx said mattered at the time the accusations were made against him nor matters now that he is posting this.
He used a bunch of words and space to say what Rels said in 3 lines.
You didn't even read it...
You literally just saying it means nothing without reading what i said.
On November 04 2016 08:08 NeverUnlucky wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote ExO_
reason?
yes
On November 04 2016 08:24 NeverUnlucky wrote: I do not think like you are trying to go somewhere, I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others (ie static reads other than the 180 on Calix) and your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere.
"I don't think you are trying to go somewhere", "phony and unsincere"
If you take him for a troll be my guest. If you think he's serious, he voted Exo for nothing that makes him scum.
On November 04 2016 09:45 NeverUnlucky wrote: So I re-read the case on Tictock and was left disappointed. Nothing mentioned makes Tictock mafia.
On November 03 2016 07:00 Tictock wrote: Ok more or less caught up.
Exo and Foreman seem like the obv scum team to me atm. A little less sure on Foreman, but eh w/e.
Exo is prob scum for his reaction to Calix's questions as well as him dropping the gif stuff. Calix was right to ask him why he dropped his "I'm gunna post in mostly gifs" kus the most likely reason why he would drop that plan is if he rolled scum and decided it would draw too much attn to himself. I think the fact the he only posted the one gif kinda supports that as well.
Exo's push on Calix is pretty BS too, saying she is scum for "trying to get him to post gifs" is just stupid kus there is no way that is what she was implying. Not to mention that I don't think Calix would ever do that as scum either.
After arguing with Calix a bunch all he did was call me scum for my one liner open. Seems like the obv lynch to me.
##Vote: Exo_
Exo is scum with Foreman
Exo is scum for overreacting to a bad push > No, he had right to do that, he got voted by someone else plus the guy making the push didn't vote for him and said he is not even scumreading him. He has to retaliate here otherwise people will accuse him for not going after shitty pushes.
Exo is scum for dropping the gif stuff > So you actually suggest him trying to be pro-town implies he did it because he rolled mafia is absolute OMGUS.
Exo is scum for shitty push on Calix > I can sort of agree with this cuz it was badly worded. However
Not to mention that I don't think Calix would ever do that as scum either.
this is quite bad as Exo's push is not indicative of Calix' alignment as regardless of the retaliation, Calix' push was bad and he stepped back from it and should be pushed for it.
On November 03 2016 07:05 Tictock wrote: Calix and Marghal (or w/e) are my top town atm. Mostly everything they have done has been to push the game forward and have been looking at multiple people from multiple angles.
Skynx is a little shitter for trying to imply that this early game is NAI. This is prob the least jokey start of a game I have every seen. Kinda null on him despite his early posts seeming unlikely to come from scum imo.
I kinda think NU is town but I'm not really sure why, just feels natural and relaxed I guess. In the same vein I kinda liked Dark's one post too so they are both townleaning nulls.
"pushing the game forward" here means voting for wrong and weak and meaningless reasons that are not there.
have been looking at multiple people from multiple angles.
what does this even mean? Can you like quote some stuff indicating why them two are town? Cuz i see nothing.
Middle ground on me, calls me shitter, unlikely to come from scum, in the end null. If above two are town for pushing the game forward by a clear margin for you, why am I not an as clear scum for doing the absolute opposite??
These don't make any sense. Two lists of opinions about people after a long silence and they are all meaningless/wrong. ##Vote: Tictock
Defends TT. Discredits without giving any reason.
On November 04 2016 07:23 NeverUnlucky wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Mahrgell
Vote without reason/Troll
On November 04 2016 06:29 NeverUnlucky wrote: I have a strong feeling that Rels is town, even moreso with his latest posts. Calix, why is he your preferred lynch atm?
TR Rels, no reason.
On November 04 2016 07:15 NeverUnlucky wrote: mahr, with cakepie's announcement, I'm pretty much mod-confirmed.
troll
On November 04 2016 11:14 NeverUnlucky wrote: I have read TT's filter and found it to be townie. Why do people scum-read him anyway? ExO seemed like an OMGUS vote while I did not find anything mafia telling in Skynx's case. Skynx, if you believe in your case, would you please highlight what makes him scum or propose new arguments? Else, who d'you think's scummeh?
As it stands, I am willing to lynch Foreman and ExO. Maybe mahrgell if I really hedge my read, and maybe Skynx as he seems like he's doing the bare minimum not to get PLed.
On November 05 2016 02:02 NeverUnlucky wrote: Skynx's play this game reminds me of this quote from disformation on how to play as mafia: "just posts tons of words. dump a wot in thread now and then, nobody will read them and think you are town for the effort. "
Your irony is overflowing any logic presentable. All you did all game is troll and discredit others. I dunno why is anyone townreading you at this point.
I trolled this game, eh?
"Discredit others": I've only discredited Calix.
I can count me, Exo, Foreman by memory even without going through your filter.
Anyway while you're here, why do you think Exo is mafia other than this shitty post?
On November 04 2016 08:24 NeverUnlucky wrote: I do not think like you are trying to go somewhere, I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others (ie static reads other than the 180 on Calix) and your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere.
Asked to build up on Exo sr as he voted for no one else after all. No response.
Very town: mahg Townlean: Exo, Calix Not read at all: darth Bad but not thoroughly read:Foreman Nullish cuz neither town nor scum but bad: Rels Scum: TT, NU
I pushed mahg earlier, his respons I liked. His lists later on I liked. He's not overly spammy. He's the most town imo.
Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise.
This to me looks like white-knighting. He gives a reason that I don't think warrants a town-read. I'm inclined to think that ExO is town and Skynx is scum with both their latest posts in mind.
So let's assume he's sr'ing me cuz I'm acting wierd, what on earth that has to do with Exo's alignment? What all of a sudden made him town? No explanation ever... oh hold on:
On November 05 2016 02:24 NeverUnlucky wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Skynx
On November 05 2016 02:27 ExO_ wrote: God I hope I can make it back home before EoD. In short do NOT let the people hard pushing me saying it reveals nothing about alignment if I flip town, get away with it.
They're covering their asses now because they know im about to flip town.
I genuinely think this is a very town response...
... which reinforces my Skynx scum-read.
CFD Skynx imo.
Tone read on Exo ok... and resulting CFD on me. I'll leave this up to everyone's interpretation. Joking lol, this is totally invalid.
On November 05 2016 02:27 ExO_ wrote: God I hope I can make it back home before EoD. In short do NOT let the people hard pushing me saying it reveals nothing about alignment if I flip town, get away with it.
They're covering their asses now because they know im about to flip town.
I genuinely think this is a very town response...
... which reinforces my Skynx scum-read.
CFD Skynx imo.
I disagree. Exo is still the best lynch.
Every single one of his posts has just been him trying to survive the day, this one included.
That's not scum AI. I would not want to be lynched either if I had this many votes.
So then it's NAI.
Why would you townread him then?
His tone feels right.
Confirms tone tr on Exo, remember his primary read on him?
your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere.
On November 05 2016 02:02 NeverUnlucky wrote: Skynx's play this game reminds me of this quote from disformation on how to play as mafia: "just posts tons of words. dump a wot in thread now and then, nobody will read them and think you are town for the effort. "
Your irony is overflowing any logic presentable. All you did all game is troll and discredit others. I dunno why is anyone townreading you at this point.
I trolled this game, eh?
"Discredit others": I've only discredited Calix.
I can count me, Exo, Foreman by memory even without going through your filter.
Anyway while you're here, why do you think Exo is mafia other than this shitty post?
On November 04 2016 08:24 NeverUnlucky wrote: I do not think like you are trying to go somewhere, I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others (ie static reads other than the 180 on Calix) and your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere.
Still awaiting a response on this NU.
I never discredited any of the dudes you listed.
The post you quoted has all your answers.
So tone makes him scum.
But also tone now makes him town.
Okay.
dafuq
I literally never said ExO had a scum tone.
Nothing more to add.
I'm gona skip rest of the chit chat and NU distancing him from Exo lynch, its there p46-50 somthing if u really like.
On November 05 2016 02:45 mahrgell wrote: Okay, I just made it back and finished reading up. I see no reason to change my vote. Exo's posts past my case have ust reinforced my impression further. I guess we see him flip and continue from there. I finally want to dive into Skynx/DF and TT. ^.^ Should be doing that before this nights Habs game if family doesn't keep me busy. Otherwise I for sure will have it done before end of the night.
At this point I'm actually a bit surprised how I'm suddenly everybodys darling. I guess I want to look i this progression too, as I feel kinda buddied here.
Then again... lets flip Exo first... This certainly will provide interesting information.
Bolded IS SO SCUMMY.
Guys, ExO is very very likely town.
I almost left this out as its wifom but still adds some points.
On November 05 2016 07:40 NeverUnlucky wrote: They both write "lol" in caps (Oddly I find this scummy).
LOL
lmao
Remember that slight Foreman scumread? This is first time he pops in after his afk and just trolled/ignored. Not really trying to progress the game at all.
Finished reading up, I 100% sign Calix last post, and will now go down my own task list. If anyone else wants to chat or has more urgent stuff... just tell me.
? why do you sign this shame of a post
Remember mahg was scummy on EoD? What about pressure him to explain himself? Nope.
On November 05 2016 22:44 NeverUnlucky wrote: i cant read the posts you link from liquiddota dude
what concerns do you share in skynx case on me? because the only point he raises is that i leave "empty votes" and if you read the thread progression instead of just my filter, you would know in what context i voted for whom i voted which in itself denies the empty vote point
i think skynx is very likely scum for the reasons you noted (which actually are the points i made on skynx at eod) plus for the fact that he should know that i am 100% not getting lynched, so making a case on me is making him look productive when he s actually not doing shit
Thinks he actually voted for a reason, please read further up as why this is not true.
On November 06 2016 00:01 NeverUnlucky wrote: I town-read DF, and don't think Skynx is mafia. I think the scum-team is Foreman and Rels.
Okay... I'm absent at this point, this happens bottom of the page with magh case on me. No reason, literally out of nowhere.
On November 06 2016 00:02 NeverUnlucky wrote: For the same reason I town-read you.
Reasoning explained.
On November 06 2016 00:11 NeverUnlucky wrote: There is no progression, Calix. I'm just trusting my gut over logic. The points I made and agreed with are very much valid, I just don't think he is mafia atm. Same with ExO and Palmar. The points made against them were very good, but in the end, I chose to trust my gut/emotional read over my logic.
Call it scummy all you want, you know it's how I play.
Ehm... is this not the exact reason your CFD against me on EoD?/
On November 06 2016 00:16 NeverUnlucky wrote: I pretty much exposed my reads on the last page, so I'll post the whole list now.
Calix / TT / Mahr DF Skynx Foreman/Rels
Remember mahr was scummy on eod? Remember trolling foreman? Where did Rels come from? What happened here?
On November 06 2016 00:16 NeverUnlucky wrote: I pretty much exposed my reads on the last page, so I'll post the whole list now.
Calix / TT / Mahr DF Skynx Foreman/Rels
I'm actually not that sure about Rels anymore because he was quick to dish out TRs on me, Calix, mahr, Exo (at first), and TT. It doesn't look like a good scumplay to do so.
If I'm honest, I re-waffled to thinking that Skynx is mafia atm.
oops abort mission!
On November 06 2016 02:54 NeverUnlucky wrote: *yawn* Calix saying I'm playing poorly when 2/3 of her cases were on her town-reads zzz
Why do you propose Skynx and Rels who you don't think are a team and keep Foreman as a reserve wagon? I'd lynch Foreman first thing tomorrow personally.
On November 06 2016 02:54 NeverUnlucky wrote: *yawn* Calix saying I'm playing poorly when 2/3 of her cases were on her town-reads zzz
Why do you propose Skynx and Rels who you don't think are a team and keep Foreman as a reserve wagon? I'd lynch Foreman first thing tomorrow personally.
How retarded do you have to be to ask that? I want to pressure both to see who the mafia among them is...?
You are asking the dumbest questions.
lmao
"pressure rels, he has not had much pressure"
Foreman was not pressured either, yet you don't propose wagoning him while he's done jackshit.
I hope you are night killed, honestly.
The blatant stupidity continues. If I think one of them is mafia then I'm going to want to pressure both.
Simple as that.
I literally said "lynch Foreman if Skynx/ Rels are town"
Your reading is so poor.
On November 06 2016 03:00 NeverUnlucky wrote: Still miss the point, nice.
This isn't a VCA. I can't do those. I'm just giving my thoughts.
Given that I believe TT is town, it is all but confirmed that there is a scum at the end of the ExO wagon. Given that Rels/ darthfoley made unnecessarily long posts condemning ExO before voting, I'm going to look into those again.
Foreman's vote is quite bad. He just said "oh I'll be more productive" and voted ExO during their argument. Very difficult to hold him accountable for that vote when he didn't really give any reasoning for it.
This is really bad the more I think about it. He wasn't involved in the TT vs ExO debate and when I asked him for his opinion HE SAID THAT HE WAS LIKING EXO FOR TOWN. His only post involving ExO between that and his vote is him going "I disagree with your reads" (which cannot be interpreted as a scum read)
I can only conclude that he voted for someone that he town-read. And he never saw it fit to explain why he did that.
Also, note that mahrgell casted two votes. One on ExO. One on Foreman.
##Vote Foreman.
I also still messed up the colors in the second vc post, but whatever.
This is wrong whichever way you wanna look at it. From an analysis point of view, mahr was wrong on Exo so doesn't statistically make sense to vote for his other target. From a logical point of view, mahr couldn't make clearer i was his primary scum target, so you wanna sheep him, why not vote me?
On November 06 2016 06:27 NeverUnlucky wrote: You make some very good points.
You quoted one of Skynx's posts in which he states that he has mahr as top-town. It was already a very bad read re: mahr's Skynx case point #3, but it points to Skynx being mafia because mafia want to NK the towniest people in the thread.
I'm back to having a very strong feeling that Skynx is mafia.
Back to me after darth case, which is mostly a poor man's mahrgell case.
On November 06 2016 09:13 NeverUnlucky wrote: Grouping the evidence on Skynx being mafia for future reference (for myself)
On November 05 2016 23:20 mahrgell wrote: Okay, lets make a tldr of my own post regarding Skynx and why I scumread him: Links/quotes are in the long version above so I summarise here. I only linked those posts not used there.
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3) His entire alignment towards me is unfounded: he suspects me, accepts my response, suddenly im Toptown, because "he likes my lists". At this time my main contribution was my case on Exo_ Yet he also townreads Exo, says there are no compelling arguments against him. A few minute later he asks for evidence against Exo_, and points out that 3 players, including me, have no reason at all to vote Exo. He may have missed my case, but then what made him toptown me? How can I be toptown because of my good posts, when those posts are directly attacking his other toptown. How can I be toptown when he calls me out for voting without reason? As the EoD happened, he again called Exo for his opinion on Foreman and me. What am I? toptown? scum? This falls back to 1)
4) His stance in the Exo lynch. He was most concerned about pointing out that he was 100% sure that Exo was town. He stated multiple times that he believes that the mislynch of Exo will show us a lot. Yet I fail to see any serious attempt to convince people to jump off the train. He somehow shaped up NU as alternative, but promised "to make a case against him during the night phase". He never tried to really convince anyone to join the NU train. Or does this count as effort? This again looks like what I pointed out in 1) He weakly defended Exo_ on emotional reasons, yet was 100% he was town. He later admitted that there was some reason in the cases against Exo_, his defense consisted only out of this. No reaching out to change it He was more concerned about being right than about saving someone he believed 100% to flip green.
In retrospect, Skynx's lame EoD push on NU was... lame. Didn't feel like he put in the effort necessary to try to get the lynch off of someone who he believed to be super town.
Also, his subsequent posts about NU seem off to me.
On November 05 2016 02:27 ExO_ wrote: God I hope I can make it back home before EoD. In short do NOT let the people hard pushing me saying it reveals nothing about alignment if I flip town, get away with it.
They're covering their asses now because they know im about to flip town.
I genuinely think this is a very town response...
... which reinforces my Skynx scum-read.
CFD Skynx imo.
I disagree. Exo is still the best lynch.
Every single one of his posts has just been him trying to survive the day, this one included.
That's not scum AI. I would not want to be lynched either if I had this many votes.
So then it's NAI.
Why would you townread him then?
His tone feels right.
What a hero distancing himself from the lynch. Guys please wake the fuck up.
What are you doing atm?
lmao
Yeah I almost forgot, thank you for reminding. ##Unvote ##Vote: NeverUnlucky
On November 05 2016 02:43 Skynx wrote: I'm never ever moving away from NU unless kush comes down from the clouds with all his almighty convincing powers and tell me he is town or someone here can defend him to an equal measure.
On November 05 2016 02:47 Skynx wrote: I'm only hoping that this is not one of those games where you are just bad town and forced me to tunnel on you again and mafia is just having a freewin cuz now you are objectively the scummiest person here.
We woulda lost Haunted Haus if townroles wasn't op cuz of this.
On November 05 2016 02:55 Skynx wrote: Disclaimer: Ignoring NU from now on cuz its just not productive.
So Skynx "attempts" to move the lynch off of ExO, except not really. He makes some more posts I haven't quoted about NU White-Knighting etc. which indicates that he has a pretty strong scum read on NU. Claims he's never moving off of NU, only to give himself a way out two posts later (you may just be playing a bad town game!) Then makes a big deal about "ignoring" NU because it "isn't productive." Wouldn't you ignore NU because you're kinda-sorta really convinced he's mafia? The description of NU being "unproductive" is not the adjective I would use to describe my scum read. I would be blunt and say i'm ignoring him because he's scum.
On November 06 2016 06:13 darthfoley wrote: Also something else I caught going through Skynx's filter re Foreman:
Very town: mahg Townlean: Exo, Calix Not read at all: darth Bad but not thoroughly read:Foreman Nullish cuz neither town nor scum but bad: Rels Scum: TT, NU
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I don't like Foreman's over-aggressive tone. He didn't get much going against him but why so aggressive then? He most definitely needs a re-read, I think he's been flying under the radar.
On November 05 2016 01:43 Calix wrote: No. It's not my job to look for cases for you. That's on you. Town should be reaching out to the town, not vice versa.
With your reads, how is 'retaliation' a town tell?
I don't relate to your DF read.
How is an over-aggressive tone scum-indicative? What examples do you have?
ok.
Retaliation is a town tell because he's getting attacked non-stop for bad reasons. Check vivax and me from Dota mafia, which I know you have been following which is completely the opposite.
I dunno who you're accounting to with the over-aggressive tone, Foreman? I'm not scum reading him, I got no material i specified I didn't read him much.
On November 05 2016 02:57 Skynx wrote: Exo, whats your opinion on Foreman and Magh very quick?
I've highlighted all the relevant posts he's made about Foreman leading up to the vote.
highlighted: (Foreman) most definitely needs a re-read, I think he's been flying under the radar
I think it's really weird how he talks about Foreman in such a passive way, while also seeming to think he's the most dangerous player to forget about. He calls Foreman bad (at the game? bad = mafia?) and says he really wants to reread him. Never has.
Then he randomly asks ExO about mahrgell and Foreman as he's walking to the gallows? Why these two? Why then? It makes little sense and comes out of left field.
He claims to "not like his tone" and implies a potential mafia lean, then explicitly says he isn't reading Foreman as mafia even though Foreman hasn't changed his tone etc. Calls him a dark horse who we need to be wary of, then doesn't do what he says he would and reread his filter.
Please look at Foreman's filter re Skynx. There's barely anything. I know it may be early to play association but the lack of comms between them since Foreman attacked Skynx's opening (which isn't that much pressure) is troubling, especially coupled with Skynx's weird progression of Foreman.
On November 05 2016 08:21 Foreman wrote: God, you guys... Talk. A. Lot.
So, Skynx got weird at end of day. NU is looking town as fuck. mahrgell is being mahrgell. TT is apparently looking at the possibility of me being scum (why, exactly?), and the rest of you are giving me a headache.
On November 06 2016 06:27 NeverUnlucky wrote: You make some very good points.
You quoted one of Skynx's posts in which he states that he has mahr as top-town. It was already a very bad read re: mahr's Skynx case point #3, but it points to Skynx being mafia because mafia want to NK the towniest people in the thread.
I'm back to having a very strong feeling that Skynx is mafia.
On November 05 2016 22:44 NeverUnlucky wrote: i think skynx is very likely scum for the reasons you noted (which actually are the points i made on skynx at eod) plus for the fact that he should know that i am 100% not getting lynched, so making a case on me is making him look productive when he s actually not doing shit
On November 05 2016 02:45 ExO_ wrote: Okay I'm back home I'm going to try to type things out as fast as I can.
CALIX listen to me. Skynx is town. There is no way he comes in and town reads me at EoD as scum. It's too risky. You two need to lead the town here
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He exactly did that to Lunatic last game. You were scum with him.
He wouldn't do it here on D1
Why not?
His play this game and his play last game are very similar. He whines and whines and whines, and has a town-read on the main wagon.
On November 05 2016 02:02 NeverUnlucky wrote: Skynx's play this game reminds me of this quote from disformation on how to play as mafia: "just posts tons of words. dump a wot in thread now and then, nobody will read them and think you are town for the effort. "
Very town: mahg Townlean: Exo, Calix Not read at all: darth Bad but not thoroughly read:Foreman Nullish cuz neither town nor scum but bad: Rels Scum: TT, NU
I pushed mahg earlier, his respons I liked. His lists later on I liked. He's not overly spammy. He's the most town imo.
Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise.
This to me looks like white-knighting. He gives a reason that I don't think warrants a town-read. I'm inclined to think that ExO is town and Skynx is scum with both their latest posts in mind.
On November 05 2016 02:32 Skynx wrote: I can't actually believe whats going on. Calix you are getting played.
ATE.
One of the pillars of your scum play.
On November 05 2016 23:20 mahrgell wrote: Okay, lets make a tldr of my own post regarding Skynx and why I scumread him: Links/quotes are in the long version above so I summarise here. I only linked those posts not used there.
I see a very clear and continuous scum agenda in most of his posts:
1) casting doubt on everyone, never following up He went after myself, Foremen and Calix multiple times, pointing out our scummish behaviour, never ever with any followup. Rels gets doubted too at some point. Even in the middle of his "I stand with Exo" he had to post this as if he made sure that nobody takes his "defense of Exo" too serious His issues with NU and TT are another story. Looks like only DF got away without getting shaded.
2) his case on TT: his reasoning looked weaker than what he posted 2 minutes earlier against Calix and me, yet he chose to go after TT. He even announced "you have to do more to avoid a lynch" yet never tried to convince anyone of this lynch.
3) His entire alignment towards me is unfounded: he suspects me, accepts my response, suddenly im Toptown, because "he likes my lists". At this time my main contribution was my case on Exo_ Yet he also townreads Exo, says there are no compelling arguments against him. A few minute later he asks for evidence against Exo_, and points out that 3 players, including me, have no reason at all to vote Exo. He may have missed my case, but then what made him toptown me? How can I be toptown because of my good posts, when those posts are directly attacking his other toptown. How can I be toptown when he calls me out for voting without reason? As the EoD happened, he again called Exo for his opinion on Foreman and me. What am I? toptown? scum? This falls back to 1)
4) His stance in the Exo lynch. He was most concerned about pointing out that he was 100% sure that Exo was town. He stated multiple times that he believes that the mislynch of Exo will show us a lot. Yet I fail to see any serious attempt to convince people to jump off the train. He somehow shaped up NU as alternative, but promised "to make a case against him during the night phase". He never tried to really convince anyone to join the NU train. Or does this count as effort? This again looks like what I pointed out in 1) He weakly defended Exo_ on emotional reasons, yet was 100% he was town. He later admitted that there was some reason in the cases against Exo_, his defense consisted only out of this. No reaching out to change it He was more concerned about being right than about saving someone he believed 100% to flip green.
sheep sheep sheep
Sorry if that was long, you can thank owner of the filter for that.
Key thing to look for here is the complete lack of town agenda: 1) Lynched Exo for wrong/non-existant reasons. Then distanced himself away from the lynch with wrong/non-existant reasons.
2) Votes/reads are without reason and/or sheeped if in need. No progression of own cases, reads at all. Not a single full blown out case from himself in the entire filter.
3) Continuous trolling, spamming whatever u like. Non-town behaviour, why do it as town as we know you can play with lower volume filter if u try. (fun fact: he was mafia on that game)
Above is the evidence, I tried to filter out all the NAI stuff as much as i can. Now your turn, please go find me one post from NU, where you can say "I like it, this is a very towny post". This is not a bad town play, this is flatout full blown scum agenda.
I could try to bring up a shennanie but only NU was willing and hihihi guess what, he's not gona go on TT. The point of my whole Exo defence was to bring out TT/NU.
You had 0 intent to shenannie onto TT. All of your EoD posts were on me. Factually incorrect.
Notice how scummy the ending of the quote is? He "defended" ExO to bring out TT and I instead of defending ExO because he town-read ExO. That's the epitome of self-interest right there.
TT was my other scumread, pls open mafia101. I can shennanie onto either you or TT.
Thing about shennanies are they go same way with reads. If one does shennanie on to someone without proper reasoning while having a solid case on the vote already then I can't really interpret that as town or scum.
Let's imagine a case where Calix shennanies off to TT aswell as NU. Now what separates NU from Calix? Sometimes its better to leave lynches be and draw information from it even if you knew its a mislynch. I'm perfectly capable shennanying scum, people here can confirm that.
This is purely theoretical talk, and isn't worth shit.
Except the part where it isn't and the part where you mean is theoratical is there to explain the whole thing.
This was supposed to underline why voting Exo makes NU/TT scum: because they had nothing more than 2 sentences worth of material to scumread Exo.
TT had written a case on ExO. The first case on ExO actually. Factually incorrect.
On November 03 2016 07:00 Tictock wrote: Ok more or less caught up.
Exo and Foreman seem like the obv scum team to me atm. A little less sure on Foreman, but eh w/e.
Exo is prob scum for his reaction to Calix's questions as well as him dropping the gif stuff. Calix was right to ask him why he dropped his "I'm gunna post in mostly gifs" kus the most likely reason why he would drop that plan is if he rolled scum and decided it would draw too much attn to himself. I think the fact the he only posted the one gif kinda supports that as well.
Exo's push on Calix is pretty BS too, saying she is scum for "trying to get him to post gifs" is just stupid kus there is no way that is what she was implying. Not to mention that I don't think Calix would ever do that as scum either.
After arguing with Calix a bunch all he did was call me scum for my one liner open. Seems like the obv lynch to me.
Key thing here is reason and logic. I hate hate players who defy all logic (*cough* Moosy *cough*) and love players who take it as a pillar of townplay (aka Koshi). You will see how this makes sense later on.
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Reference to later bits of the post where I defend my actions with logic behind them, unlike you.
On November 07 2016 09:10 NeverUnlucky wrote: THAT'S A SHIT TON OF SHADE. I HOPE EVERYONE CAN SEE THAT.
All my votes had a reason. You do not see it because you're filter-diving me, but they made sense in the thread progression. How does that point make me mafia anyway?
Your case on Tictock was shit, that's a fact, not a discredit.
My TR on Rels has been explained in my filter. My tinfoil too. Dig deeper. How would not giving reasoning for a read make me mafia anyways?
Remember that slight Foreman scumread? This is first time he pops in after his afk and just trolled/ignored. Not really trying to progress the game at all.
He joked about me saying that LOL was scummy, I responded with "lmao". No trolling nor ignoring, just laughing to his joke.
1) and 2) are straight up false.
3) I never rolled mafia on TL?????????????
You're SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO mafia for throwing this much shade. There's 0 way possible you believe a single thing you wrote.
Omg you are Lunaticman thats why... man everything makes sense now.
Rest of the points I'll let others decide as your opinions are naturally and obviously biased.
On November 07 2016 09:10 Skynx wrote: Yeah I actually like TT. Rels I'm not sure about you, you're still focused on EoD.
So ? That's when you made like 2 third of your filter and your most unexplainable posts.
You have my reasons on why Exo wasn't mafia.
I'm not sure what's bothering you here. I had that one game where I moved away from a Moosy lynch, hard defending him and he flipped red. This stuff happens, as long as you have a reason.
On November 07 2016 09:10 Skynx wrote: Yeah I actually like TT. Rels I'm not sure about you, you're still focused on EoD.
So ? That's when you made like 2 third of your filter and your most unexplainable posts.
You have my reasons on why Exo wasn't mafia.
I'm not sure what's bothering you here. I had that one game where I moved away from a Moosy lynch, hard defending him and he flipped red. This stuff happens, as long as you have a reason.
Link me the game please. I don't believe your reasons were natural. They didn't feel like it. I don't think you even used a single post of ExO to defend him.
I was thinking of Moosy in presidental election but its actually emperor in onegu mafia. One of the players im most comfortable metaing here, i scumread early on but towards eod i retract my read without much othrr than tone. He ends up scum even tho game is prematurely finished. My progress there is even worse if you are looking for one, what i mean is its not a scumtell.
On November 07 2016 09:32 Rels wrote: I don't have a lot of reasons to scumread Foreman. But I have reasons to townread everyone else to varying degrees (or in DF case, I don't think he can be Skynx partner) and my tone read of Foreman at the beginning of the game doesn't hold up to the amount of nothing he's doing right now. The only thing that is maybe scummy is that he had only weak interactions with Skynx at some points, but there is a lot of Skynx talk in his filter: he voted him, and he had several posts that either talked about him, or talked about people read of Skynx. Can't remember who posted that first but I read something about it when catching up and it's true. Might be a partner tell but it's quite weak.
It's not that bad.
Also, notice how Skynx decides he is going to case Foreman now that he's been completely AFK? It's almost as if he wants to be part of the wagon to bus if Foreman is scum.
Why Calix now?
You know what fuck this. I spent 4 hours writing and reading i don't need to see this toxic shit when i wake up.
Go ahead and lynch me i don't give a fuck get me out of this game pls its not fun for me. Also go ahead and assign my emo behavior with my scum meta yeye idc really i just want out. GG im town.
On November 08 2016 02:51 NeverUnlucky wrote: The sad part is that Skynx probably asked the hosts to concede but because Foreman is AWOL, the hosts could not end the game.
This is pretty possible.
I'm also confused why Skynx is throwing away his vote on Darth instead of saving himself by voting Foreman, or following is own reads and voting NU.