Newbie Student Mafia XXIV

On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote:
NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.

ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.

On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote:


So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.

On November 03 2016 03:12 Calix wrote:


Please point me to where I 'attempted to get you to revert to gif posting only' if you'd be so kind. You'll note that I specifically said 'I'm glad you are not posting in gifs' (which you then responded to...with a gif...instead of a response)

And yes, it's illogical for town to claim a role and then post a gif in lieu of a coherent response.

On November 03 2016 03:29 Calix wrote:


The reasonable expectation would be that you say "I am not posting solely in gifs because of X" not to shit-post to a question made in the early stages.

I don't like shit-posting, regardless of my alignment.

I don't want an answer now though. It's irrelevant because we have this game-relevant topic to contend with.

On November 03 2016 03:35 Calix wrote:


This is another example of anti-town behaviour which I do not agree with.

That is NOT the same as pro-scum. Allow me to clear that one up.

Some people seem to be misinterpreting my stance on ExO as "scum-lean" when it's not.

On November 03 2016 03:59 mahrgell wrote:
@Exo
so, you are sticking with Calix as your prime scumcandidate?

On November 03 2016 04:02 Tictock wrote:
Wow you guys from off site like to start slinging shit right there off huh?

Be around later

On November 03 2016 04:44 Calix wrote:


It is extremely anti-town to ignore anyone save for red-checked players or the like. It shows that he is not willing to reconsider his reads and will be prone to tunnel-vision. (this is something I am specifically trying to avoid)

I remain uncertain on Foreman. I'm inclined to scum-read him purely for his pathetic dismissal of my NU case (aka the most substantial post made this game) but I'm biased there as I think my case is pretty good. Furthermore, some of his posts have minor town-tells in them. (nothing convincing though) Concluding null as it stands.

On November 04 2016 04:18 Calix wrote:
Reasoning?

On November 04 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:


I really do think Exo should be the lynch today.

Seems way too likely that he is scum to me, but hey even if he isn't we can see he isn't adding anything to the game and is only VT so not a bad lynch right?

+ Show Spoiler +

I might even try and write another case about him later if I feel like it.

Also I might cry a little if I get mislynched D1 two games in a row...

On November 04 2016 05:30 Calix wrote:


Are you implying that ExO/ Calix is a possible scum team? If not, why ask the question?

That's also an ignorant question to ask to begin with. I initially town-read ExO and have recently expressed doubts about that given his sub-par posting...which were in the posts that you responded to.

On November 04 2016 05:33 darthfoley wrote:


Is this really all you're gonna contribute? Your filter is so subpar right now and you going back to the VT claim stuff?

On November 04 2016 05:33 Calix wrote:


That doesn't override my point where I provide evidence countering his "Calix is trying too hard to town-read ExO" implication.

Go and do something useful please. You just voted for TT yet you are not helping question him. What gives?

On November 04 2016 05:41 Calix wrote:
Foreman, can you give your thoughts on Skynx' wall-posts?

As for ExO, I missed #600. I'm not sure I agree. He says "I think ExO is scum but if he isn't then he's only a VT and is useless so he can die"

He thinks you're scum, ergo you're lying about being VT. All he does is rule out the possibility of you being TPR. I don't see inconsistency here.

On November 04 2016 05:49 Calix wrote:


How would scum!TT know that you, the town!ExO, is telling the truth and that you're not a TPR exactly? I don't follow the "he knows I'm only VT" part.

On November 04 2016 05:55 Calix wrote:


ELI5

I'm running into a problem that is rare for me - I have way too many town-reads. Needless to say, I'm having a hard time here.

On November 04 2016 05:55 ExO_ wrote:
Just to make sure you don't misunderstand, I'm implying he claims that lynching me is okay because he thinks I'm either scum or if I'm not I'm just VT.

That's scum logic. He's saying that because he believes it, but because he thinks it'll be easy to get town to vote for me.

On November 04 2016 06:01 Calix wrote:


I understand now. You think that he thinks you're a good target for a mislynch in this scenario because he thinks that there's no risk of you claiming TPR and thus the lynch won't get diverted.

I can see where you're coming from. What did you make of his response to it?



But how hard is it to just say something like "oh I was joking" or "I wanted to play the game properly" or something? Maybe I'm just assuming that ExO is as amazingly intelligent as I am, but that doesn't seem like a stretch for scum.

His later behaviour is more concerning to me. I don't really like it and the point which I found the most interesting from him is something that you claim was a joke. (I think)

On November 04 2016 06:02 Foreman wrote:


His wall posts don't line up with the mindset of somebody that considers themselves low hanging fruit.

On November 04 2016 06:03 Tictock wrote:


It's actually surprisingly hard to get people to vote obv scum.

I'm not even just talking about this game either.

Also you can ague this point to death if you want. My read on you is pretty independent of your claim, though at this rate your filter is just gunna be you talking about it.

On November 04 2016 06:05 Foreman wrote:


How would he, as scum, know you are VT?

A blue would have a better idea whether you were bullshitting than scum, would they not?

On November 04 2016 06:07 Foreman wrote:


No. I'm saying he was obviously lying when he called himself low-hanging fruit, and that he made that remark instead of simply explaining why he was busy or what have you makes him scum.

On November 04 2016 06:09 Tictock wrote:


Thats actually kinda my point, town!Exo could have said the same things, or started posting gifs to joke around.

What did we see? Him getting butthurt that you called him out for not posting Gifs and attacking you for it.

On November 04 2016 06:21 Foreman wrote:


Yeah, and his opinion is not matching up with his posting so I absolutely will call him a liar.

And no shit I'm skipping posts. I check in when I can on my phone and there are four+ pages of crap to wade through. Deal.

On November 04 2016 06:24 Foreman wrote:


Where the hell did I do that?

On November 04 2016 06:27 NeverUnlucky wrote:


1 to 7, check.

8 and 9 to go.

On November 04 2016 06:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:

Who's not reading the game now?

On November 04 2016 06:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:

Pointless argument, dismissed.

On November 04 2016 06:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:

Yes, I am able to back it up, but this argument is not productive. I am trying to focus on important stuff for once in hopes that my coach still has a little faith in me.

And why would I be a decent lynch?

On November 04 2016 06:52 Rels wrote:

Is this from memory or did you reread his filter ?
BTW what's your read on foreman ?

On November 04 2016 06:52 Rels wrote:

Is this from memory or did you reread his filter ?
BTW what's your read on foreman ?

On November 04 2016 07:11 Rels wrote:

BTW this looks fabricated too. Did you get anything out of it ?

On November 04 2016 07:36 Rels wrote:
ExO, the only thing that keeps me from tunneling you into oblivion is your explanation of the VT thing. Please answer me about why your foreman read changed without reason between now and yesterday

On November 04 2016 07:45 Rels wrote:

No I mean, why were you considering him so important in that post 16 hours so it made you say "I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at." ?

On November 04 2016 08:48 Foreman wrote:


I disagree with both of your scumreads.

Mahrgell's flip on me looked like an honest reassessment. If he was scum, he could have accused me of AtE and used my reach out as grounds to double down on me.

NU... I don't get why you think he's scum.

On November 04 2016 08:51 NeverUnlucky wrote:


A) How would sheeping Rels' reads make me scum?

B) Fact-check of borrowing my read on you from Rels:

Rels' posts that apply to a scum-read:
+ Show Spoiler +
My reasoning to sr you:


The only common ground is that part where you say that you were reaction-testing.

Plus, Rels did not state a *clear* scum-read on you, so how can I be sheeping him?+ Show Spoiler +


We rate this claim false.

On November 04 2016 08:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I do not think like you are trying to go somewhere, I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others (ie static reads other than the 180 on Calix) and your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere.

On November 04 2016 07:52 Rels wrote:

OK it makes sense then

On November 04 2016 08:53 Foreman wrote:


My bad, let me be more productive, then.

##Vote: ExO_

On November 04 2016 08:55 NeverUnlucky wrote:
He never concluded you were not scum for it.

This looks as though he actually thinks you are scum for it, but doesn't exactly scum-read you because of your VT claim and explanation.

On November 04 2016 08:56 NeverUnlucky wrote:

THe "OK it makes sense then" is taken out of context, lmao. Nice try.

On November 04 2016 08:57 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Historically speaking, TT questioning ExO's VT claim would make him mafia.

On November 04 2016 08:58 Foreman wrote:


You're flat out lying about me and attempting to intimidate me, for one thing.

For another, your scumreads are trash and consist of two people pushing you. Because y'know, the entire scum team is going to throw everything they have into a d1 mislynch.

On November 04 2016 08:59 mahrgell wrote:
Exo:
1)my original post about Exo: http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26146963
Nothing I said there really changed, even with the newer posts. Honestly while he always calls other ppl to read the tread, his posts don't really strike me as if he had read the thread so far. I guess I have to honorary mention that at least he doesn't ask for summaries all the time. Great upgrade.

2)

Okay. I can follow this idea. But... How on earth have you not gone after me? So far pretty much everyone in the thread confirms me as the "King of leaving outs". Even I do that.
And yet, you haven't once mentioned me? Seriously? I should be your topscum.
At this point, if it wasn't about me, I would actually call you out for distancing. In fact i'm surprised nobody did that yet.

3)


Again, are you serious? You come back in the thread, after 13 hours, and all you do to start is an uncommented vote, and when asked this is your reason this is everything? I mean... at least whine about not having time, etc. But all you had to say on those 180 posts that happened in the meantime was that. Stunning!
Actually you promised to look into NU and FM first in your last post before the break. You engaged FM later, but all you did was telling him to learn to read. There was no analysis of him whatsoever. Similarly you also tangled with NU, starting with this post:

Again not what I would call an analysis. You later gave some weak reads on NUs latest posts, but the "I will look into NU" results posts is still to be seen.

4) Your obsession about your VT claim. Your entire defense seems to be "but I claimed VT"
I still can't make sense of it. The way you present it here, claiming VT is the ultimative move early day1. Everyone should do it, and nobody doing it should ever be lynched day1 except by scum players.
I'm not buying it. And honestly you can't believe that yourself. Either you completely lack the ability to imagine how others may view the game, or this is just some horrible play. And you repeating it again and again doesnt make it better. If you want to convince me... Try another approach. I'm open to arguments, but that VT bullshit is really tiring me and your obsession with it is making you look more scummy in my eyes.
I read your town game. You did much better there. If you are town this game, you are awful. I don't think you are awful from what I've seen, but just feel reminded of your rather similar dota2 scum performance.

On November 04 2016 09:03 mahrgell wrote:


LOL. Are you even reading? You were my #2 scum for almost the entire thread. When I unvoted (because I could follow FMs argument), I already said, that I will look into next, as you are the logical choice. This deeper look convinced me that my original read on you was correct.
So get your timeline right.

On November 04 2016 09:04 Foreman wrote:


No, I'm Mr. Distantandunintentionallytreatpeoplelikepixelsuntiligettoknowthem guy.

You are lying about me doing nothing in my disagreement with you. Before you say you weren't, be a pal and quote where i stated my thoughts on Mahrgell's flip prior to that post.

Otherwise, admit that you were simply trying to intimidate me into thinking I was being worthless.

On November 04 2016 09:06 Calix wrote:


I think this is the first time that I have ever been told this.

I think you should focus on giving some reads, however. Top two townies, top two scum-reads or you can do a full reads list. With less than 24 hours left, it's a good idea to do that now rather than near EOD when things are more desperate/ rushed. I think you have too many people pushing you for a constant defense to be helpful to anyone. You will just wear yourself out regardless of your alignment and get angry which is why I'm not going to add to that by pushing you

Giving reads is more beneficial to the town compared to defending yourself against your detractors as much in any case.

On November 04 2016 09:19 NeverUnlucky wrote:

So you read players based on their activity?

What happened to the "NU posted things that looked scummy"?


lol

On November 04 2016 14:30 Tictock wrote:


Cute...

but you really never did anything with that now did you?




Your follow up to this was voting me kus you liked Skynx's case and think he is a cool guy.



Now it seems like you've forgotten you even scumread me.


And apparently everyone who is voting you is also scum, so your reads are just OMGUS.



Which is now effectively half the game being thrown in for good measure. I guess Skynx is also not a cool guy anymore either.

On November 05 2016 01:49 Rels wrote:

This is so bad. This martiring won't get you through this lynch. You're saying you can't defend yourself 'cause you're attacked whatever thing you chose to do; well, you could defend yourself by pointing out WHY other people are scummy.
In this very post you admit that your OMGUS was bad; that after re evaluating you think one of DF / Skynx / Rels are probably scum; THEN you go on "lynch TT and Rels 'cause they should know better than pushing me" which is the FUCKING DEFINITION OF OMGUS.

The last time you've stated reasons for your reads was your NU read yesterday. Since then it has been either OMGUS or filter size.

On November 05 2016 02:46 NeverUnlucky wrote:

....

He exactly did that to Lunatic last game. You were scum with him.

On November 05 2016 02:47 Calix wrote:


While I can conclude that the white-knighting accusations would draw attention to him because he is black-sheeping, surely that can be dismissed with WIFOM, no?

If you are town then it's similar to what he did last game with Lunatic. Do you have any other reasons to town-read him?

On November 05 2016 02:48 NeverUnlucky wrote:

What happened to your DF scum-read and your TR on me?

On November 05 2016 02:49 Skynx wrote:

Who is most town other than us?

On November 05 2016 02:50 Calix wrote:


Yeah, can you please summarise/ conclude your reads in one post? I think that would help people see what your reads were. You can even just cobble your previous posts into one since you have 10 minutes left.

On November 05 2016 02:54 Tictock wrote:
This EoD should give us some nice info.

I'm tempted to compare how I reacted to being mislynched last game to how Exo is going about this EoD. Not sure that's a fair comparison though.

Really I just can't see town modivation in any of his play and that's not changing with all the appeal to emotion he's dropping now.

On November 05 2016 02:54 Calix wrote:


You don't have to cite examples, just as long as you have some reasoning that we can relate to.

One more question. What makes DF more town than mahrgell and why don't you like mahrgell?

On November 05 2016 02:56 Rels wrote:

I'm tired of seeing this. I only started pushing you as my main scumread a few hours ago. You even scumread me for not having a strong scumread on you yesterday.
That makes another thing that is not consistent with your reads actually. I'm having doubts but I think you'll flip scum. I don't think i'll shennannie.