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It's really pitiful that people associate me with NU.
AKA the dude who is so insecure and pathetic that he has to rely on 'mod confirms' and fucking school schedules to get town-read.
It's unacceptable that people actually think that we're on the same level.
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On November 04 2016 07:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 07:18 Calix wrote:
It's really pitiful that people associate me with NU.
AKA the dude who is so insecure and pathetic that he has to rely on 'mod confirms' and fucking school schedules to get town-read.
It's unacceptable that people actually think that we're on the same level. Yet you town-read me for other reasons. Hence I don't rely on these two factors. What does this post do other than try to piss me off when I am actively trying not to be toxic?
Ah yes, because throwing a temper tantrum is really why you want people to town-read you.
Want to know why I made that post? To distance myself from you. Because people link us two together and your mod-confirm post just reminded me how much of an insult to me that is.
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I would like to see a definitive conclusion on mahrgell's read on Rels as I have yet to see one.
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mahrgell, there was that discussion by Rels about DF's first post. He didn't like that DF said that Skynx' posts were useless AND that he agreed with a post that Skynx made. Page 35 has that discussion, I believe.
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On November 04 2016 07:26 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I town-read you because you're bad. That's not any better.
[Insert Calix ML history here]
Ah yes, your flip-flopping on me really shows that you "town-read me only because I'm bad"
Your pride just makes you look inconsistent as fuck, my dude.
Instead of choking on it by whining about it, why don't you explain exactly why you town-read Rels as hard as you do? I'm skeptical of hard-town-reading Rels as you said you did.
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On November 04 2016 07:38 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 06:31 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 06:23 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 06:12 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 06:09 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 06:01 Calix wrote:
But how hard is it to just say something like "oh I was joking" or "I wanted to play the game properly" or something? Maybe I'm just assuming that ExO is as amazingly intelligent as I am, but that doesn't seem like a stretch for scum.
His later behaviour is more concerning to me. I don't really like it and the point which I found the most interesting from him is something that you claim was a joke. (I think) Thats actually kinda my point, town!Exo could have said the same things, or started posting gifs to joke around. What did we see? Him getting butthurt that you called him out for not posting Gifs and attacking you for it. I feel like this is going around in circles. It's clear that you think that's a scummy reaction from ExO and I disagree. I think we should move on since this thread is blowing up. Thoughts on Foreman? I'm still thinking this could be TvT and thus I find him sitting in the background to be conspicuous. I go a few hours without posting because I have shit to do and I'm sitting in the background? Lulz. Well in my opinion, you weren't posting a lot. Fine by itself. But you were just talking about stuff which wasn't related to the main discussion at hand until recently. That stood out to me especially because I think it's two townies fighting. Thus someone ignoring it looks weird and like they don't want to take a side in it since either of them being lynched helps scum. So yes, my logic is pretty good, I'd say. I'd say you're logic is pretty trash because there are dynamics between those two that I'm not familiar with so me jumping in the middle would only muddy the waters.
"not familiar with"
If they were discussing a meta reference then I would believe this. However they weren't. Everything that was discussed with ExO/ TT was sourced from the game thread. Why would the dynamics be unfamiliar to you?
Regardless of your response, what DID you make of ExO/ TT?
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re: Rels, I am 100% going to have to reread his filter. He's saying more intelligent things and I think his DF argument makes sense. But a substantial portion of the other decent posts are about town-reads. (which scum can do easily so doesn't get as much credit as scum-reads)
I am biased though - I feel like he might be trying to pocket me given that he's given two strong reasons (in my opinion) for me being town and I don't think that's really necessary to post if you already town-read me from a fairly early point, so I am dubious of his motives there. But maybe he just wants to signal that I'm going in the "never lynch" pile or something if it's that strong a read. Dunno.
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On November 04 2016 07:46 darthfoley wrote:
I can answer the Skynx stuff when I'm not in a movie for class, but I'm putting my vote on mahrgell.
He STILL hasn't said anything conclusive or definitive. He keeps asking the same things to the same people to stall and buy time. He's also using the OMGIS first game defense now. I remember my first forum game (This is my fourth) and I rolled scum. I play a ton of IRL mafia and I'm pretty good at it, but I was terrible with trying to forge reads as scum G1. I can't remember the title of the game but it was on TL.
I see a lot of parallels between my playstyle that game, and his play style in this game. Outside of this, I've already written content on my mahrgell scum read. Look through my filter if you want a refresher. Also find it interesting that he peaches out with all his reads for family time, then as soon as I put heat on him, he finds the time to go semi filter diving and engage with people again.
##Vote: mahrgell
I've read the game that you're referring to: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia
I was looking for it for a while to compare your play, actually 
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Anyway, skimmed through that filter. Noticed a few things.
(inb4 Rels beats me to the uptake with a detailed meta analysis)
1. His tone is different. More confident, less reliance on going "I agree with X about Y" with his posts. Either he's town this game or he's improved his scum play. (game is dated in January this year)
2. He's more serious this game.
3. Kind of leads on from Point #2 but he's more focused on sorting players in this round, I feel.
So there's nothing that makes me think "DF IS LOCK TOWN, NEVER LYNCHING" but I think it's worth keeping in mind.
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On November 04 2016 08:01 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 07:45 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 07:38 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 06:31 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 06:23 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 06:12 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 06:09 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 06:01 Calix wrote:
But how hard is it to just say something like "oh I was joking" or "I wanted to play the game properly" or something? Maybe I'm just assuming that ExO is as amazingly intelligent as I am, but that doesn't seem like a stretch for scum.
His later behaviour is more concerning to me. I don't really like it and the point which I found the most interesting from him is something that you claim was a joke. (I think) Thats actually kinda my point, town!Exo could have said the same things, or started posting gifs to joke around. What did we see? Him getting butthurt that you called him out for not posting Gifs and attacking you for it. I feel like this is going around in circles. It's clear that you think that's a scummy reaction from ExO and I disagree. I think we should move on since this thread is blowing up. Thoughts on Foreman? I'm still thinking this could be TvT and thus I find him sitting in the background to be conspicuous. I go a few hours without posting because I have shit to do and I'm sitting in the background? Lulz. Well in my opinion, you weren't posting a lot. Fine by itself. But you were just talking about stuff which wasn't related to the main discussion at hand until recently. That stood out to me especially because I think it's two townies fighting. Thus someone ignoring it looks weird and like they don't want to take a side in it since either of them being lynched helps scum. So yes, my logic is pretty good, I'd say. I'd say you're logic is pretty trash because there are dynamics between those two that I'm not familiar with so me jumping in the middle would only muddy the waters. "not familiar with" If they were discussing a meta reference then I would believe this. However they weren't. Everything that was discussed with ExO/ TT was sourced from the game thread. Why would the dynamics be unfamiliar to you? Regardless of your response, what DID you make of ExO/ TT? You do realize that meta isn't the only thing that carries over between games, yes? Personality conflicts and how they resolve (or not) can also be alignment indicative if people are familiar with those clashing. If I were to get in the middle of TT/ExO, it could have interfered with the ability to read them. I prefer to wait until things resolve and then chime in to avoid that. That said, I am likiing ExO for town. I don't understand why TT has votes, it's something I'll need to read up on later tonight. 17% battery is telling me nou.
A poor argument. A fresh set of eyes is extremely helpful when it comes to sorting players. You, as a player new to the site, would be ignorant of ExO/ TT's 'meta tells' and thus would pick up on minor details that players more experienced with them would otherwise dismiss as NAI. Perhaps it's just me but sometimes not knowing meta is a good thing because then you can offer a different perspective on a player that isn't tainted by meta.
But anyway, I shall let you have fun with your dying phone. I'll await your thoughts on TT later.
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How many people are voting for ExO again?
I've been going over each player individually. I'm considering my town motivation that I have in mind for ExO and I'm not that convinced that it's that compelling compared to other players. So I might just ignore my reservations about him and sheep.
It's pretty clear that I don't know where the hell I am at with my reads so it's anti-town for me to push for anyone right now :/
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On November 04 2016 08:51 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:48 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.
Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU I disagree with both of your scumreads. Mahrgell's flip on me looked like an honest reassessment. If he was scum, he could have accused me of AtE and used my reach out as grounds to double down on me. NU... I don't get why you think he's scum. What do you think of Mahgrell voting me without giving his reasoning just now? What about NU literally taking the words out of rels mouth as a reason to push me, even though rels didn't see it as a reason to scum read me. foreman read the damn thread. And do something to help town. What did this post accomplish here? What did you disagreeing with me (in a bad way) accomplish? N O T H I N G
Uh, didn't you vote TT without giving any reasoning earlier? And you only gave reasoning because I had to ask for it?
NU thinking that something that Rels said about you is scummy when Rels didn't doesn't make him scum. That's not AI at all.
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On November 04 2016 08:57 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Historically speaking, TT questioning ExO's VT claim would make him mafia.
Please elaborate.
(what the hell does 'historically speaking' even mean in this context?)
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On November 04 2016 09:01 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:59 mahrgell wrote:Exo: 1)my original post about Exo: http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26146963Nothing I said there really changed, even with the newer posts. Honestly while he always calls other ppl to read the tread, his posts don't really strike me as if he had read the thread so far. I guess I have to honorary mention that at least he doesn't ask for summaries all the time. Great upgrade. 2) On November 03 2016 04:46 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 04:44 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:40 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 04:35 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:32 mahrgell wrote:gosh Calix, can we please stop post synced? Also after what I read from you last game I'm afraid of myself, if I share your thoughts... I don't want to be like you  Sorry. It's ironic because you're insinuating that I am a bad player...but I'm pretty sure that you misinterpreted what Foreman said. He was calling me scum, not you. I am aware that he is only going after you. But as I share your concern regarding NU... And would like the same answer to be answered... He refuses to answer me, because he considers you to be scum. I don't agree on the policy of "I don't talk to who I consider scum". I consider this antitown, but I understand interpretations on this may differ. But I really dislike the policy of "I don't talk to you, because a player I consider to be scum shared your concerns". This is for sure antitown. So either he considers me scum too, or he is just antitown. Both conclusions are not really giving him any plus points in my book. It is extremely anti-town to ignore anyone save for red-checked players or the like. It shows that he is not willing to reconsider his reads and will be prone to tunnel-vision. (this is something I am specifically trying to avoid) I remain uncertain on Foreman. I'm inclined to scum-read him purely for his pathetic dismissal of my NU case (aka the most substantial post made this game) but I'm biased there as I think my case is pretty good. Furthermore, some of his posts have minor town-tells in them. (nothing convincing though) Concluding null as it stands. How can you be so hesitant to scum read anyone? All of your reads come built in with "but I might be wrong." You back pedal on everything you've said so far and leave yourself a way out. Almost as if you are afraid to hard scum read somebody because you know you are lying. I'm quite convinced you are scum leaving yourself as many outs as possible. Okay. I can follow this idea. But... How on earth have you not gone after me? So far pretty much everyone in the thread confirms me as the "King of leaving outs". Even I do that. And yet, you haven't once mentioned me? Seriously? I should be your topscum. At this point, if it wasn't about me, I would actually call you out for distancing. In fact i'm surprised nobody did that yet. 3) On November 04 2016 04:30 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 04:18 Calix wrote:
Reasoning? I didn't like his filter and trust skynx Again, are you serious? You come back in the thread, after 13 hours, and all you do to start is an uncommented vote, and when asked this is your reason this is everything? I mean... at least whine about not having time, etc. But all you had to say on those 180 posts that happened in the meantime was that. Stunning! Actually you promised to look into NU and FM first in your last post before the break. You engaged FM later, but all you did was telling him to learn to read. There was no analysis of him whatsoever. Similarly you also tangled with NU, starting with this post: On November 04 2016 06:30 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:27 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 04 2016 06:11 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:09 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 06:01 Calix wrote:
But how hard is it to just say something like "oh I was joking" or "I wanted to play the game properly" or something? Maybe I'm just assuming that ExO is as amazingly intelligent as I am, but that doesn't seem like a stretch for scum.
His later behaviour is more concerning to me. I don't really like it and the point which I found the most interesting from him is something that you claim was a joke. (I think) Thats actually kinda my point, town!Exo could have said the same things, or started posting gifs to joke around. What did we see? Him getting butthurt that you called him out for not posting Gifs and attacking you for it. Starting a discussion is EXACTLY what town wants to do. And its exactly what I did. Implying that I wouldn't do that is town is at best misleading. What I did drew a lot of attention to me, you really think thats what I would do as scum? Instead of posting a few gifs and joking around a bit? please. Lynch TT its so obvious at this point On October 31 2016 09:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Sure. c: One more /in.
This is what is going to happen this game:
1. I will roll town.
2. Game starts; unoriginal players'll say "First confirmed town!"
3. One town will have a weird or even scummy entry.
4. Calix will tunnel said player. NeverUnlucky will have a good read on Calix based on the tunnel.
5. Said town will claim that the intent behind his entry was to stir up conversation.
6. Everyone will mock him and some will town-read him.
7. Active players’ll shitpost, lurkers’ll lurk.
8. One player will case another player who’ll become the main wagon, but the case is weak, thus :
9. People will initiate a CFD at EoD, and a town will die.
1 to 7, check. 8 and 9 to go. Calix hasn't tunneled anyone. You're full of shit Again not what I would call an analysis. You later gave some weak reads on NUs latest posts, but the "I will look into NU" results posts is still to be seen. 4) Your obsession about your VT claim. Your entire defense seems to be "but I claimed VT" I still can't make sense of it. The way you present it here, claiming VT is the ultimative move early day1. Everyone should do it, and nobody doing it should ever be lynched day1 except by scum players. I'm not buying it. And honestly you can't believe that yourself. Either you completely lack the ability to imagine how others may view the game, or this is just some horrible play. And you repeating it again and again doesnt make it better. If you want to convince me... Try another approach. I'm open to arguments, but that VT bullshit is really tiring me and your obsession with it is making you look more scummy in my eyes. I read your town game. You did much better there. If you are town this game, you are awful. I don't think you are awful from what I've seen, but just feel reminded of your rather similar dota2 scum performance. You are wrong. And this is exactly what I think scum will do. Lynch me, and then say "It was his own horrible play". If I die today take a close look at Mahgrell (I'm looking mostly at you calix as you seem the most level-headed person here)
I think this is the first time that I have ever been told this.
I think you should focus on giving some reads, however. Top two townies, top two scum-reads or you can do a full reads list. With less than 24 hours left, it's a good idea to do that now rather than near EOD when things are more desperate/ rushed. I think you have too many people pushing you for a constant defense to be helpful to anyone. You will just wear yourself out regardless of your alignment and get angry which is why I'm not going to add to that by pushing you 
Giving reads is more beneficial to the town compared to defending yourself against your detractors as much in any case.
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Also I think we have way too many people pressuring ExO. That's bad because ExO's going to get stressed out sooner or later, so then he'll lash out and that looks scummy so then people keep piling on.
So I propose that we let up a little bit so that he can actually post something constructive. I think the wagon on him lets him know well enough that he's going to die if he doesn't step it up so constantly pushing him like this is just inhibiting his potential to do anything else imo.
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On November 04 2016 09:12 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 09:06 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 09:01 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 08:59 mahrgell wrote:Exo: 1)my original post about Exo: http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26146963Nothing I said there really changed, even with the newer posts. Honestly while he always calls other ppl to read the tread, his posts don't really strike me as if he had read the thread so far. I guess I have to honorary mention that at least he doesn't ask for summaries all the time. Great upgrade. 2) On November 03 2016 04:46 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 04:44 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:40 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 04:35 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:32 mahrgell wrote:gosh Calix, can we please stop post synced? Also after what I read from you last game I'm afraid of myself, if I share your thoughts... I don't want to be like you Sorry. It's ironic because you're insinuating that I am a bad player...but I'm pretty sure that you misinterpreted what Foreman said. He was calling me scum, not you. I am aware that he is only going after you. But as I share your concern regarding NU... And would like the same answer to be answered... He refuses to answer me, because he considers you to be scum. I don't agree on the policy of "I don't talk to who I consider scum". I consider this antitown, but I understand interpretations on this may differ. But I really dislike the policy of "I don't talk to you, because a player I consider to be scum shared your concerns". This is for sure antitown. So either he considers me scum too, or he is just antitown. Both conclusions are not really giving him any plus points in my book. It is extremely anti-town to ignore anyone save for red-checked players or the like. It shows that he is not willing to reconsider his reads and will be prone to tunnel-vision. (this is something I am specifically trying to avoid) I remain uncertain on Foreman. I'm inclined to scum-read him purely for his pathetic dismissal of my NU case (aka the most substantial post made this game) but I'm biased there as I think my case is pretty good. Furthermore, some of his posts have minor town-tells in them. (nothing convincing though) Concluding null as it stands. How can you be so hesitant to scum read anyone? All of your reads come built in with "but I might be wrong." You back pedal on everything you've said so far and leave yourself a way out. Almost as if you are afraid to hard scum read somebody because you know you are lying. I'm quite convinced you are scum leaving yourself as many outs as possible. Okay. I can follow this idea. But... How on earth have you not gone after me? So far pretty much everyone in the thread confirms me as the "King of leaving outs". Even I do that. And yet, you haven't once mentioned me? Seriously? I should be your topscum. At this point, if it wasn't about me, I would actually call you out for distancing. In fact i'm surprised nobody did that yet. 3) On November 04 2016 04:30 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 04:18 Calix wrote:
Reasoning? I didn't like his filter and trust skynx Again, are you serious? You come back in the thread, after 13 hours, and all you do to start is an uncommented vote, and when asked this is your reason this is everything? I mean... at least whine about not having time, etc. But all you had to say on those 180 posts that happened in the meantime was that. Stunning! Actually you promised to look into NU and FM first in your last post before the break. You engaged FM later, but all you did was telling him to learn to read. There was no analysis of him whatsoever. Similarly you also tangled with NU, starting with this post: On November 04 2016 06:30 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:27 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 04 2016 06:11 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:09 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 06:01 Calix wrote:
But how hard is it to just say something like "oh I was joking" or "I wanted to play the game properly" or something? Maybe I'm just assuming that ExO is as amazingly intelligent as I am, but that doesn't seem like a stretch for scum.
His later behaviour is more concerning to me. I don't really like it and the point which I found the most interesting from him is something that you claim was a joke. (I think) Thats actually kinda my point, town!Exo could have said the same things, or started posting gifs to joke around. What did we see? Him getting butthurt that you called him out for not posting Gifs and attacking you for it. Starting a discussion is EXACTLY what town wants to do. And its exactly what I did. Implying that I wouldn't do that is town is at best misleading. What I did drew a lot of attention to me, you really think thats what I would do as scum? Instead of posting a few gifs and joking around a bit? please. Lynch TT its so obvious at this point On October 31 2016 09:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Sure. c: One more /in.
This is what is going to happen this game:
1. I will roll town.
2. Game starts; unoriginal players'll say "First confirmed town!"
3. One town will have a weird or even scummy entry.
4. Calix will tunnel said player. NeverUnlucky will have a good read on Calix based on the tunnel.
5. Said town will claim that the intent behind his entry was to stir up conversation.
6. Everyone will mock him and some will town-read him.
7. Active players’ll shitpost, lurkers’ll lurk.
8. One player will case another player who’ll become the main wagon, but the case is weak, thus :
9. People will initiate a CFD at EoD, and a town will die.
1 to 7, check. 8 and 9 to go. Calix hasn't tunneled anyone. You're full of shit Again not what I would call an analysis. You later gave some weak reads on NUs latest posts, but the "I will look into NU" results posts is still to be seen. 4) Your obsession about your VT claim. Your entire defense seems to be "but I claimed VT" I still can't make sense of it. The way you present it here, claiming VT is the ultimative move early day1. Everyone should do it, and nobody doing it should ever be lynched day1 except by scum players. I'm not buying it. And honestly you can't believe that yourself. Either you completely lack the ability to imagine how others may view the game, or this is just some horrible play. And you repeating it again and again doesnt make it better. If you want to convince me... Try another approach. I'm open to arguments, but that VT bullshit is really tiring me and your obsession with it is making you look more scummy in my eyes. I read your town game. You did much better there. If you are town this game, you are awful. I don't think you are awful from what I've seen, but just feel reminded of your rather similar dota2 scum performance. You are wrong. And this is exactly what I think scum will do. Lynch me, and then say "It was his own horrible play". If I die today take a close look at Mahgrell (I'm looking mostly at you calix as you seem the most level-headed person here) I think this is the first time that I have ever been told this. I think you should focus on giving some reads, however. Top two townies, top two scum-reads or you can do a full reads list. With less than 24 hours left, it's a good idea to do that now rather than near EOD when things are more desperate/ rushed. I think you have too many people pushing you for a constant defense to be helpful to anyone. You will just wear yourself out regardless of your alignment and get angry which is why I'm not going to add to that by pushing you Giving reads is more beneficial to the town compared to defending yourself against your detractors as much in any case. tbh I think It's almost too late. And I'm not really in a good enough mood to try and do super deep meta reads, based on day 1 bullshitting. Day 1 is almost all bullshitting like this. I'm never really confident in my own reads (esp on day 1). look at my other games here (though it's been a while.) I think I do better at defending myself as town and picking the right people to follow than solving the game on my own. Compare this to my dota 2 scum game that we just got done with. I was quiet and would come into the thread offering some read this disappear again. It's not the same at all. All I can say is that I am town, and I think the people to really look at are the people that are going to blame my own play as the reason why I was lynched. The people that say things like "oh it was his own fault for being bad".
Doesn't have to be anything extensive. Even your current stream-of-consciousness thoughts or "I'm currently here with X player but I'm not sure" ideas are better than nothing. Is there anything that you think is being overlooked, for example? Any particularly good points that you've made that you feel are being ignored due to confirmation bias, perhaps?
I understand if you're tired so I'll just repeat that I'm not expecting giant paragraphs
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On November 04 2016 09:14 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 09:09 Calix wrote:
Also I think we have way too many people pressuring ExO. That's bad because ExO's going to get stressed out sooner or later, so then he'll lash out and that looks scummy so then people keep piling on.
So I propose that we let up a little bit so that he can actually post something constructive. I think the wagon on him lets him know well enough that he's going to die if he doesn't step it up so constantly pushing him like this is just inhibiting his potential to do anything else imo. Invitation accepted. What do you think of the Kenpachi rule? The logic behind it is that claiming VT has no scum nor town motivation. Scum is likely going to push for that claim since it is easy to do, and they may look like they are being productive.
TT's main reasoning for his ExO scum-read is not based on this 'Kenpachi' rule.
But it's a possible theory, yes. It's difficult to push as an idea though because TT has written off the post where he was accused of pushing a VT claim to an easy lynch, so we can only speculate :/
Do you think the other cases against TT hold weight? Those can actually be discussed as TT did not brush them aside as easily.
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On November 04 2016 09:16 darthfoley wrote:
Just to clarify my Skynx thing,
At that point in the thread I was so tired of NU vs. Calix uber hardcore insult driven tunneling that I found myself really disappointed with the direction and tone of the game. In comes Skynx, who correctly identifies that ore salt votes (I know you two will disagree with this assessment) are not only meaningless but they're a waste of time. Other than that, Skynx had indeed been pretty much useless and very whiny. I apreciate that the atmosphere has become a little less emotionally charged. That's what I meant, even if phrased poorly.
As I write this, Foreman accuses ExO of cyberbullying *facepalm*
I agree that the two of us together = poor atmosphere if left unchecked. I think you're being hyperbolic with it being "uber hardcore insult-driven tunneling" though unless you were raised under a rock.
I don't know what NU/ Calix has to do with your reaction to Skynx though. Skynx made that comment before NU flipped his shit on me and my case on NU early on was not by any stretch a tunnel.
I don't really think that you addressed the core of Rels' concern with your post here.
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Using activity as a town/ scum tell is commonplace on this site. ExO using it is not noteworthy in my opinion.
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I for one still do not think that scum!Skynx is likely to make that shitty entrance and then follow up on it by criticising like, 5/8 of the other players.
All that does is get him on everyone's radars. It's likely to piss people off. It's certainly not making him any friends. It's not leaving him under the radar. He's not doing it to say that all five of those players are scum/ cast doubt because he calls most of them bad. His logic isn't complete shite so it's not causing chaos either. So why do that as scum?
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