EPTUnless the scum team is something like Rels/ NU or TT/ Rels or some shit then I've definitely fucked up somewhere.
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Unless the scum team is something like Rels/ NU or TT/ Rels or some shit then I've definitely fucked up somewhere. | ||
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On November 04 2016 02:28 darthfoley wrote: Sure I think Foreman is most town to me. My pyramid thing would go something like this Town Foreman NU, Calix, Skynx Rels mahrgell, ExO, TT Mafia I have Rels null because he's yet to really engage the thread besides an early read pyramid. I want to hear why he "hated" my post, among other things. Can I get Calix's and your opinion of each other? I'm pretty sure you are townreading each other, yet continue to bicker and harp on the same points. I'd also like to hear what you think of Ticktock If you got "Calix and NU town-read each other" and "bicker and harp on the same points" at this point in time from us then you haven't been reading. I think he's mafia. I'm currently ignoring him until I'm prepared to re-evaluate him since he might just be a shitter. As you may have gathered, it's difficult for either of us to form an impartial read on the other. Also he irritates me and I'd rather play the game without dealing with that. | ||
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On November 04 2016 02:44 mahrgell wrote: Again, I disagree. I consider the first line to be a metaanalysis on activity (= you cant meta him on activity). While the second is more of an analysis on general town/scumtraits. Imho you are just tunneling here, and try to spin things so they fit your foregone conclusion. This is pretty close to how I read TT's post too. I don't think DF is tunneling but aside from that, I second this. | ||
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On November 04 2016 02:48 mahrgell wrote: Okay... Can some of the people who Hard-Town Foreman explain their reasons to me? I can't find them myself, but I would love some eye opener. I'm not one of the hard-town people, but your comment encouraged me to reread his filter. And I just realised that he posted within the past two hours with a vote on Skynx. Meh. A lot of his filter is stuff from yesterday and it's not as great as I thought. He can move down to a null read unless someone has a convincing argument either way. | ||
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On November 04 2016 02:57 darthfoley wrote: I see your point. Meh What point? | ||
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He's too selfish to consider that he's making the game less pleasant for the others by spamming so it's a wasted effort. | ||
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On November 04 2016 03:35 Foreman wrote: Nah... One perhaps but not both. I'm leaning TvT, personally. I'd expect scum to be more laid back and just pushing back enough to get out of the public eye. I know I said I'd ignore him but I feel like I should chip in here. He's probably town purely for being this unpleasant and obsessive. But I feel like that should be noted. However I don't like it and I'm not going to respond to his posts. If he keeps doing it then I'm going to the hosts. Maybe I'm just biased, but I don't feel like I did anything that warrants being called trash and being threatened with "making Calix's experience in the game hell until she does X". All I did was make a case against him which he overreacted to. He's only like this around me and honestly, I am so fucking sick and tired of it. All we did last game was bicker and argue and shit-post and it ruined the game. I want to change and then he goes and throws a temper tantrum. I'm here for a quiet game. I just don't have the time or energy to deal with him and I don't think I should have to when he's acting like this. I hope I've explained myself enough and would like to think that his reaction to me shows why I feel this way. | ||
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I've explained my thoughts on Rels here. On November 03 2016 23:28 Calix wrote: Yeah it's pretty clear what his reads are. I actually agree with you that Rels is underwhelming. Admittedly I am biased here - I've only seen him play when I was scum and I was actually pretty nervous of him that game - but I don't get that same kind of 'aggression' or whatever here. I don't know wherever he's apathetic town or scum though so there's that to contend with. But looking at his filter, he does this: - Town-reads ExO for claiming VT - Talks about NU's meta/ turbo game, disagrees with NU's assessment - Scum-reads Skynx due to 'looking like scum!TW in 72 hours' - Claims to hate darthfoley's post (does not say why) - Questions your town-reads on mahrgell/ myself Given that's all he's done, that's a fair amount of shade-throwing in my opinion and not a lot of explaining his scum-reads. Is this enough to warrant a full-blown scum-read? No. However I have reasons to town-read everyone else so this is largely a "voting for the players who are least-likely to be town" kind of vote, not a "Rels is super-scummy" thing. I'll reread the cases against TT, Skynx, ExO, etc later today or tomorrow though, | ||
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On November 04 2016 04:02 darthfoley wrote: mahrgell rels scum team?! the plot thickens! I'm not sure I follow your point. Does mahrgell say "Rels disagreeing with me on XYZ reads is bad" and uses the "but he's controversial" part as a mitigating factor? I can kind of see an argument for "he's hedging on Rels" but I'm not sure if that was what you were implying. I'd appreciate some clarification on your thought process here  | ||
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 oesn't mahrgellDamn it. | ||
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I also town-read Skynx. Doesn't mean that's a reason to sheep him. I hope you have other thoughts since this is rather underwhelming so far. Also I'm not that convinced on TT so I am midway through skimming his filter. I actually think his responses have been quite reasonable so far. | ||
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On November 04 2016 04:35 Skynx wrote: You think his response to my post was good? If you're referring to #467 then allow me to go into more detail: - I agree with the part about ExO. My question was a reasonable thing to ask, simple as that, and it's undeniable that ExO overreacted. - I disagree that it makes ExO scum though which is what TT thinks. - I don't understand why you call his scum-read on ExO OMGUS unless I misunderstood something. - Your most valid point is his read on you compared to his read on ExO which he doesn't explain well. (the last part) I think you could have cut out the rest of your case since it's your best point. Otherwise yes, I think his responses were fine. | ||
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TT seems to have arrived, however. Let's see if he blows me away with some super-townie posts or whatever. | ||
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On November 04 2016 04:48 Skynx wrote: Well i guess first point is opinion dependant then. However i wont accept that he's still presenting dropping the gif game as wifom scumplay. He also associated Exo with Foreman for absolutely no apparent reason and didn't touch that at all on his response which i noticed now. Given that's his main reason for voting ExO, I must agree that is a rather poor reason to vote for someone given what's happened since then. I'm aware that ExO has been MIA for most of that time. However his response to ExO's one post post-tunnel was this: On November 03 2016 22:26 Tictock wrote: Even if you had an amazing reason to push Calix I'm not sure she ever qualifies as "low hanging fruit" I think Skynx is currently holding the low hanging fruit award. ...which doesn't seem very focused on determining ExO's alignment. Are you referring to TT's theory of ExO/ Foreman as a scum team? Not sure if that means much since he said that he was feeling ambivalent on Foreman as of late if I recall properly. | ||
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On November 04 2016 04:56 darthfoley wrote: So basically, mahrgell's top scum read is Foreman. It should be followed by Rels, if he were actually following his gameplan he laid out earlier. The bolded is exactly why he should be scum leaning Rels. Rels vs. Mahrgell reads are 100% different, yet mahrgell feels the need to say that "it's weird that Rels thinks 100% opposite of me, but hey let's give him the benefit of the doubt and let him explain himself before i lean him one way or another!!!" this was not the same way he dealt with Foreman. It is fine to say, "i'm scum leaning Rels for now, cuz his reads are so wack-- but I'll hear him out." He doesn't say this; he says a null tell on someone, who by his logic, should not be null. It would be less sus if this was in the first few hours of the game, but we've been in D1 for over 24 hours, so Rels (according to mahrgell's logic) should be starting to view the game in the same way. A compelling point. I can see where the argument of "he's biased towards Rels" is coming from with that Foreman post in mind. He was much more punitive towards Foreman than Rels and I'd argue that Rels' filter is considerably worse than Foreman's. | ||
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On November 04 2016 04:58 Tictock wrote: Nope. Ok. Skynx's early posts: + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2016 04:12 Skynx wrote: Man you guys are way too fun to read On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please... On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote: What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet? Exo's: + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2016 03:02 ExO_ wrote: I'm VT lame Not including the Gif post On November 03 2016 03:11 ExO_ wrote: You think it's illogical for me to immediate claim VT before posting a gif? Give me a break. If anything your attempt to get me to revert to gif posting only and now trying to throw shade on me is indicative of your scum alignment On November 03 2016 03:15 ExO_ wrote: If you were actually happy I wasn't posting gifs, why would you bring up the fact that I said I would post primarily gifs? I think any reasonable person realizes that's much more likely to get me to post gifs, than to offer an explanation that will ultimately be irrelevant to the game. You brought it up in the hopes that I would stick to my word and posts only gifs, instead of helping town. You are scum ##vote Calix Skynx starts off complaining, and when called out responds with similar attitude. Exo claims, makes a gif post, then gets all defensive and aggressive about your questions. Takes that into a serious mode by turning it into a case on you. Skynx continued his bad posting even after getting called out. Exo immediately got upset you called out his not posting gifs and got super defensive about it. I'm amazed you guys even try to draw a comparison here, there is a very clear difference in their opening play. Okay. I just wanted to know where you stood with both of them side-by-side. While your ExO read was transparent as day, I wasn't following you with your Skynx read, so thanks for the clarification. I don't think ExO being defensive is scummy although yes, his case and tunnel against me was bad. It can also be coming from the POV of an overzealous townie. I believe that he's tunneled before as town, no? However I'm having a hard time thinking that given that he just popped in to slap the third vote on your train and didn't even explain himself until I asked -_- | ||
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On November 04 2016 05:04 Tictock wrote: Actually didn't someone mention that Skynx said he tries to open scummy to see who goes after him? If that's true then I have to throw out my line of thought about his early game. Clearly scum!Skynx would try to replicate that type of play from his towngames. Eh? Your first line is correct. Skynx claims that he acts scummy to see who goes for the low-hanging fruit as a town tactic. Your conclusion is making me scratch my head. I don't see how learning about Skynx' play-style -> thinking he'd replicate it as scum -> entrance posts are null. | ||
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