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On November 03 2016 19:47 mahrgell wrote:
Good morning.
@Calix Do you expect an answer from me on this? I could go on a wild ramble about your entire posts, but I'm afraid I would fall back into what was criticized before. So if you want anything answers, please cut it short in some questions.
About your concerns regarding me using the term antitown. I could again explain my general attitude regarding this game. I'm not fond of throwing SCUM! around day1. But when antitown behaviour piles up on certain players, at some point this turns into a scumlean. But again we are probably using different definitions in this game here.
If theres nothing more about me, I guess I will relook the Exo situation now.
An answer to the parts which are the most pertinent to you would be lovely, yes, given that you are the subject of the posts.
However, if you are going to do something else then I would prefer to see that first. As long as you don't expect me to forget about my points on you then you should be fine.
Can you just expand on your second paragraph? How do you usually find scum in games? What is your MO?
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#406 is mahrgell's best post that he's made. Actually really like it.
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On November 03 2016 21:34 Calix wrote:
#406 is mahrgell's best post that he's made. Actually really like it.
To expand on this, he points out a potential inconsistency with ExO's posting and he took the time to review ExO's meta with some nuanced points made. (this is townie because it shows critical thinking)
He then shows a willingness to reconsider his other scum-reads after he realises that he has one too many.
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On November 03 2016 21:37 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 21:34 Calix wrote:
#406 is mahrgell's best post that he's made. Actually really like it. lmao You who HATES meta-reads like a meta-read post. Eh, not surprised I guess. You did try to meta-read me this game and proved yourself a hypocrite once again.
Why does that mean that other people can't use them? I said that it was his best post, not that I agree with meta reads.
What is even the point of this post aside from to be antagonistic exactly?
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On November 03 2016 21:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 21:38 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 21:37 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 21:34 Calix wrote:
#406 is mahrgell's best post that he's made. Actually really like it. lmao You who HATES meta-reads like a meta-read post. Eh, not surprised I guess. You did try to meta-read me this game and proved yourself a hypocrite once again. Why does that mean that other people can't use them? I said that it was his best post, not that I agree with meta reads. What is even the point of this post aside from to be antagonistic exactly? Point out the inconsistency in your narrative.
There is no inconsistency and nothing you say will make it so.
I'm not getting into an argument with you again so don't even try to start one. You're either mafia or toxic and both can be resolved by ignoring for the time being.
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On November 03 2016 21:42 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 19:58 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 19:47 mahrgell wrote:
Good morning.
@Calix Do you expect an answer from me on this? I could go on a wild ramble about your entire posts, but I'm afraid I would fall back into what was criticized before. So if you want anything answers, please cut it short in some questions.
About your concerns regarding me using the term antitown. I could again explain my general attitude regarding this game. I'm not fond of throwing SCUM! around day1. But when antitown behaviour piles up on certain players, at some point this turns into a scumlean. But again we are probably using different definitions in this game here.
If theres nothing more about me, I guess I will relook the Exo situation now. An answer to the parts which are the most pertinent to you would be lovely, yes, given that you are the subject of the posts. However, if you are going to do something else then I would prefer to see that first. As long as you don't expect me to forget about my points on you then you should be fine. Can you just expand on your second paragraph? How do you usually find scum in games? What is your MO? MO? Sorry, I only know abbreviations I picked up during the 2 games I read. But regarding on how I scan for scum IRL, I think I pointed it out enough. I try to interpret everyones actions from a townie POV and from a scum POV. At some point I will fail to create those interpretations and this is where I dig deeper. Scum has usually 2 options: a) make up stuff b) reinforce shitty assumptions by townies Meanwhile a townie sees what I see. So if I feel myself completely unable to follow the line of thought of a player, this is a scumlean for me. In the end, I have to judge if the different judgements made by other players are due to different character or due to hidden agenda. And well... I prefer to play a rather high volume game, just to leave less gaps and more easily track the thought process of people. Sadly this is much harder online than IRL, as players can just go afk here..
Modus operandi.
I shall keep this in mind. Going back to my case earlier, I noted that you generally worded your scum-reads along the lines of "this doesn't make sense for town to do/ this is unproductive" so I wanted to see if you would say something along those lines in your response. Given that you have, that part of my case against you becomes a null tell.
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On November 03 2016 22:06 Rels wrote:
NU can you link your best scum game please
He has two.
Go onto SC2Mafia and look in the archived S-FMs. His first one is Politico, his second one has some stupidly long name related to 'the game of spies'
He is trying to improve his scum game, however. He's been lynched first on both occasions so he needs to.
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On November 03 2016 22:25 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 22:20 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 22:18 Skynx wrote:
No voting thread?
##Vote: NeverUnlucky "Vote for the longest filter" A) Wrong vote. B) There is 0 argument for me to be mafia. A) You did not read apparently, no one said you were mafia. My vote is to help you stfu. B) Please go ahead and find me one post with solid arguments about anyone being mafia.
Amusingly enough, your STFU vote is on mafia.
I'm scum-reading him largely due to multiple inconsistencies (e.g., breaking his promise to keep discussion civil, flip-flopping on his read of me with dodgy read progression, contradicting stances he has taken on matters in past (town) games, he suspects half the players in the game but claims that he's not 'throwing shade') and being unnecessarily abrasive at a time when town has a semi-productive atmosphere.
I'm still writing up a larger post on this so consider this a summary.
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To be perfectly honest though, I don't really want to make another giant wall-post on NU so I'll just leave #443 as it is, invite people to read NU's filter and provide quotes if requested by anyone who isn't NU.
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On November 03 2016 22:39 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 19:30 Calix wrote:
Given my recent conclusion, I am moving my vote. If nothing else, I think that sorting out mahrgell/ Foreman will prove to be illuminating. I would like to hear more about those two in particular from Skynx and ExO.
TT has already made it clear that he considers mahrgell 'a top town' and Foreman mafia while NU scum-reads mahrgell. Not so sure on his Foreman read although I'm inferring it's a town-read so he's welcome to elaborate there if I'm wrong.
Anyway, this:
##vote mahrgell I've actually been rethinking that townread on gell ever since I asked him about his Exo read. I glanced through his filter and noted he kinda avoided discussing Exo despite generally giving what look to me like reasons to scum read Exo. Like here: Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 07:49 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 07:34 Tictock wrote:
Oh my bad mahrgell, I've been totally misspelling your name. I shall henceforth be reffering to you as gell to fix that.
What are your thoughts on Exo? - overdefended against air from Calix - retaliation vote, I mentioned I dislike those - kinda stubbornly tunneled Calix - neither of those are good things, but can also be very emotional TvT. Judging this would be easier if I knew some meta. So postponing this read for now, especially as I have higher priority lynch targets. He lists 3 scummy things, but then suggests he thinks Exo is town? Also worth noting that he's had no issues scum reading Foreman despite not knowing any meta, so that line feels more like an excuse to not read Exo. I think Darth also pointed out this response and how gell just left the meta thing as an excuse without bothering to try and get a meta read if that's what he feels is valuable. This was all associative though so I was kinda setting it aside unless we got a red flip from Exo. Who I still think is the better lynch atm.
I don't think that your point is strong. That "very emotional TvT" comment looks like his attempt at ascribing town motivation to the ExO/ Calix debacle. (something he's been doing a lot)
He also made a meta read/ analysis on ExO later on, concluding scum-lean. I'm assuming you haven't caught up yet though.
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On November 03 2016 22:57 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 21:43 NeverUnlucky wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Calix
Town doesn't ignore other members of the town. I'm ignoring exactly 100% of these pushes between you and Calix. Honestly you two seem to get so emotionally worked up over how you read each other I have a hard time taking any of it seriously. ... You guys might actually make an amazing scum team.
Jesus Christ, no. I would kill myself if that happened.
That aside, I still think you should read his filter and let us know what you think. I think he's mafia but I'm not intending to spam the thread with "LYNCH NU"
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On November 03 2016 23:15 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 22:51 Rels wrote:
K I'm almost caught up but I also have to go for a few hours, afternoon is full of meetings. My reads atm:
TOWN
Foreman NU ExO
Calix TT
Skynx mahrgell DF
SCUM
See you soon! Uhhh... Wut?
Problem? 
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On November 03 2016 23:24 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 23:16 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 23:15 Tictock wrote:On November 03 2016 22:51 Rels wrote:
K I'm almost caught up but I also have to go for a few hours, afternoon is full of meetings. My reads atm:
TOWN
Foreman NU ExO
Calix TT
Skynx mahrgell DF
SCUM
See you soon! Uhhh... Wut? Problem? Yea I think he fucked up his formatting or summin. Oh wait is it like a town to scum thing? Pretty weak list if that's the case.
Yeah it's pretty clear what his reads are.
I actually agree with you that Rels is underwhelming. Admittedly I am biased here - I've only seen him play when I was scum and I was actually pretty nervous of him that game - but I don't get that same kind of 'aggression' or whatever here. I don't know wherever he's apathetic town or scum though so there's that to contend with.
But looking at his filter, he does this:
- Town-reads ExO for claiming VT
- Talks about NU's meta/ turbo game, disagrees with NU's assessment
- Scum-reads Skynx due to 'looking like scum!TW in 72 hours'
- Claims to hate darthfoley's post (does not say why)
- Questions your town-reads on mahrgell/ myself
Given that's all he's done, that's a fair amount of shade-throwing in my opinion and not a lot of explaining his scum-reads.
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Also he has said nothing intelligent yet. Basically I did not feel better off after reading his filter.
So yes, could be mafia.
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Also I'd appreciate your opinion on Rels in that Newbie game since you were largely uninformed and all that.
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On November 03 2016 23:47 mahrgell wrote:
In general: I will have family time starting in about 4 hours... until Saturday noon. This will reduce my activity drastically, I will probably mainly phone post from time to time.
In case you consider lynching me and want to throw questions at me... I would love to answer them before.
I don't actually know about you.
Because I made a case and I think it's a pretty good one with some genuinely scummy behaviour displayed in the posts I flagged up and you didn't really counter those points.
But then I've actually liked some of your recent content and honestly that's probably more productive than actually getting into a multi-quote war with me anyway.
Basically I have a lot of doubts over which alignment you are, so I'm unvoting for now.
##unvote mahrgell
I'm popping out in ten, won't be back for a few hours at least.
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On November 03 2016 23:55 mahrgell wrote:@Calix I answered your case earlier. Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 19:47 mahrgell wrote:
@Calix Do you expect an answer from me on this? I could go on a wild ramble about your entire posts, but I'm afraid I would fall back into what was criticized before. So if you want anything answers, please cut it short in some questions.
I meant that you didn't counter the individual points.
But I'm not going to force you to answer because I prefer it when you make original content, so keep doing that please.
Anyway, must pop out now. Break a leg.
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On November 03 2016 23:59 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 23:35 Calix wrote:
Also I'd appreciate your opinion on Rels in that Newbie game since you were largely uninformed and all that. Honestly I don't really recall it was a bit too long ago, I'll go skim to refresh my memory though.
Ah, yea he seemed like obv town that game due to how gung-ho he was right off the bat and his interactions with Lunatic (and lunatic flipping scum) made it super obv he was town. I don't feel like comparing the games is a good way to read Rels though, I've seen him be lackluster as town when he doesn't have much time and super active and involved as scum when he does. Giving it more thought I might actually give Rels a slight townlean because as scum I think he'd be more worried about how he presents his reads, here it is more like he's just sharing what he's got so far.
I've reread it myself. He specifically said in that Newbie game that he was going to be try-hard so I'm concluding that it's an inaccurate way of reading Rels this game. (as he said that he has RL commitments this round) Wouldn't go as far as to town-lean him for it but let's see how Rels reacts.
On November 04 2016 00:14 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 00:04 Foreman wrote:
##Vote: Skynx
I've yet to see one productive post from this guy, and it's hard to remember that he's even in the game. I'm here, still reading all the shitty posts unfortunately and that takes time. Also, congratz for exposing yourself for going after a low-hanging fruit.
This looks scummy on the surface, but this is actually something that Skynx has said as town before. I was in a TPR chat with him in my first game and he explained that he "deliberately plays scummy to bait the mafia" or something like that. I don't think that this defense is AI for Skynx as a consequence.
Haven't properly reviewed Skynx' posts yet, but I'm all for him contributing so I'm not going to complain there.
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Read the case against TT. It looks fine on the surface but none of the points really convince me. That is to say, I don't think any of the perceived contradictions are that scummy because when I read them, I interpreted them differently to how darthfoley did. Town can contradict themselves as much as scum so I'd have to see legitimate scum motivation for said contradictions before I would be convinced.
Take the last part. I didn't read TT's post as saying "Skynx is scummy because of his opening being silent" or whatever but DF did. I'm going to wait for TT to respond before I elaborate because I don't want to give him ideas for a defense but that's my two pence on it.
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+ Show Spoiler [Skynx' wallposts] +On November 04 2016 00:37 Skynx wrote:Bad stuff:Mahg Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:28 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 03:17 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:11 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:06 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote:
NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind. ![[image loading]](http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq303/neko_riddles/Fighting_Over_Marisa_From_Touhou_Pr.gif) So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do. You think it's illogical for me to immediate claim VT before posting a gif? Give me a break. If anything your attempt to get me to revert to gif posting only and now trying to throw shade on me is indicative of your scum alignment Why so defensive, mate? :< "Give me a break" after two trivial questions is much of an over-exaggeration, mang. mahrgell (spelled your name right), what do you make of Exo and Calix's lil" chit chat so far? c: 1) I'm very proud you got my name correct this time. Maybe we delay your lynch a few days! 2) Calix: Looked to me like an "let's start the game" thing, I don't share Exo's interpretation that Calix wanted to silence him. This does not tell anything about Calix though. Could be fake activity, considering that those pathetically weak early attempts rarely lead to much information, could also honest interest in starting something. So nothing here. 3) Exo: his retaliation seemed... weird. I don't see a point there. I guess I could consider it something meta'ish that you blindly accuse everyone day1 to be mafia to "apply pressure and get things going". So either minor scumlean or just some broken metashit.4) conclusion: I consider it for now as TvT, if it is MvT I would lean more in facor of Calix being the townie, I doubt it is MvM, but well... people can prep the most stupid shit before the game... Let's wait and see PS: if anyone is not a he and wants to be called a she... tell me... Otherwise I use internet rule #1 and consider everyone a male. Bolded gives two opposite directions of having a lean on Exo. "Wierd and pointless" for a scum perspective for overreaction and "pressure and get the game going" for town perspective. He looks quite uncertain about both regards by his specific wording. Then this happens: Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:59 mahrgell wrote:
@Exo
so, you are sticking with Calix as your prime scumcandidate? Exo replies yes. Mahg says nothing. Mind you this is like the only thing going on in the thread other than Calix vs NU. Then he goes after NU, accusing him of not following up on Exo vote and posts this. Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:22 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 04:17 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 04:14 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:10 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 04:01 mahrgell wrote:
@Foreman
Now that you noticed your misread. Are you still going after Calix, or have you shifted your focus on NU?
Would the argument you made for Calix also apply to NU? Or where do you see the difference there? The fact he isn't voting ExO does not make his push any less disingenuous. Knock knock, Calix is here, asking you to read my NU case like a good dear. Is my NU case also disingenuous? If so, how? Considering you've yet to acquit yourself for that shady ExO push, I'm not concerned about your NU push when he isn't even here to respond to it. Why not? Following multiple leads is not bad for town. And even if we flip Calix in the end, no matter what color it is, having his talking points discussed would be beneficial to town. So I can't understand that refusal to comment on it. Especially as I would be very interested in your opinion. Don't worry, we won't forget about Calix. And if you feel it got forgotten, ust bring it up later again, if someone wants to balem you for it, just forward it to me. Where is your follow up on Exo then? --- Calix All started with this: Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:06 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote:
NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind. So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do. Bolded sentence implies a scumread, as if someone thinks a sane person would do something illogical from a town perspective that would suggest it would be a logical move from scum perspective. This gets noticed, and called out by many including Exo, NU, Foreman and magh? if i remember correctly and see how much defence there is for "I didn't scumread Exo". I'm spoilering them cuz they are just so many. + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2016 03:23 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Haiii guises, let us keep this atmosphere positive!
I agree with Mr. Foreman and Mr. ExO that Calix's push is not her greatest, and I also agree with Calix that ExO's defensive response looks scummy!
Foreman, may I ask you where you are coming from in terms of community? c: I'm not pushing ExO. That's being extremely generous. I never claimed that ExO was scummy, just illogical. I didn't even call him defensive. Where did you get that from? On November 03 2016 03:35 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote:
Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:
I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth This is another example of anti-town behaviour which I do not agree with. That is NOT the same as pro-scum. Allow me to clear that one up. Some people seem to be misinterpreting my stance on ExO as "scum-lean" when it's not. On November 03 2016 03:40 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:38 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:33 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:29 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:20 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:19 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:06 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote:
NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind. So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do. Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should ##Vote Calix Sheep vote noted. How is claiming that posting gifs after claiming a role tryhard? So you accuse me of sheeping, then question my push. Discredit noted. Giving somebody crap for not shitting up the thread has a couple different scum motivations behind it: 1) You are going after an easy target for not doing what they said they'd do (after they got some friction about it when they announced it, iirc?) 2) Your post clearly nudged them to return to that practice despite your transparent disclaimer, which would be pro-scum if they were to do so. You are voting right after I received a vote. There is no discrediting here, only using evidence to draw a conclusion. Why would I not question your push? I don't consider 'tryhard' to be a scum-tell and wanted to know what your logic was for thinking so. I am not scum-reading ExO. That's not 'going after an easy target', it's asking for a response to a simple question. No it didn't. I asked why they weren't doing it. That cannot be interpreted as a subtle nudge to keep doing it in any world. It's not pro-scum. It's anti-town. Sheeping is voting using somebody else's reasons. I voted with my own push. Not the same thing. If you're not scumreading ExO, your vote is in the wrong place. Shitting up a thread is pro-scum because it allows scum to more easily hide in the noise it creates. I may be new to this site, but don't think for a second that means you can bullshit me. Correction. I am not voting for ExO and you should be suspicious of me if I was given that you (correctly) think I am not scum-reading him.See my previous response for my take on anti-town/ pro-scum. On November 03 2016 04:01 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:54 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 03:30 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:26 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:23 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Haiii guises, let us keep this atmosphere positive!
I agree with Mr. Foreman and Mr. ExO that Calix's push is not her greatest, and I also agree with Calix that ExO's defensive response looks scummy!
Foreman, may I ask you where you are coming from in terms of community? c: I'm not pushing ExO. That's being extremely generous. I never claimed that ExO was scummy, just illogical. I didn't even call him defensive. Where did you get that from? I said that. Your quote says "I agree WITH CALIX" which implies that I said "ExO being defensive is scummy" at some point. Clarify this now, please. I actually don't agree with the points you've made. ExO's defensive, that's as much as one can say on his subject. Offski. I for one do not like NU. His tone seems weird, he makes statements that are factually inaccurate/ putting words into my mouth and then retracts them when called out on them. I don't understand why. Given that he's just disappeared, I'll wait for a response before concluding anything for sure but he's giving me bad vibes at the moment. Well 1) I share NU's interpretation of what happened. 2) I appreciate his call for civil communication, from what I read in Cruisetrip he could have also easily heated up the fire without it looking worse than his usual play. 3) But I also agree with you, that it is weird for him to "buddy" you, by pretending you were sharing his self made points. I don't think there is much reason for him to try to appease you. With regards to Point 2, he is much tamer when he is scum. I'm not claiming that this is a 100% guaranteed tell (he is also busy and this has led to him being more subdued in the past) but it's in the back of my mind. Well in my opinion, this is how it went down: - He asks why ExO is being overly defensive. - I call ExO anti-town.- He misrepresented my positions by claiming that he agreed that I was a) scum-reading ExO and b) scum-reading ExO due to being overly defensive. - I ask him where he interpreted this from as those are not my positions. - He denies claiming this. - I tell him that he literally said in his quote "I agree with Calix" This is where the scummy part is. He immediately backtracks from that position by saying "well I don't agree" and leaves it at that. That's scummy because this progression could be NU trying to plant ideas inside of my head without actually taking responsibility for having the idea. This is a compelling explanation because the ExO/ Calix discussion was still going on at this time. Thus, it's possible that he was trying to manipulate me into agreeing that ExO's behaviour is scummy. It's also possible because I am well-known for getting myself into tunnels so I am a viable target. So yeah, discuss and all that. On November 03 2016 05:10 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:05 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 05:00 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please... Then do something that will make AI posts happen. What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly? What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet? To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course. What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it? Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages  Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all. Here is what happened; Calix sr Exo (gif stuff) Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push) Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others) What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end. Fact-check. I never stated a scum-read on ExO. "all pushes are very subjective" - It's Day 1. Of course they are going to be 'subjective'. In fact, almost every single push in the history of mafia is 'subjective'. That doesn't mean you just do nothing since town has to be proactive to gain information, etc etc. This is all very obvious stuff so I won't drone on. With that in mind, your approach is very hard to understand to me. On November 03 2016 05:17 Calix wrote:
Stating that someone's illogical =/= scum-read, Skynx dear.
As for mahrgell, if you're using mind melds to inform a read then that's fine. But from my point of view, I don't get the same impression when it's vice versa. I would have to see you post things first that I agreed with before I would make that read. It's mostly been you agreeing with me if I recall correctly so I can see where you're coming from in terms of perspective. The whole thing is just so bullshit. Ofc you imply that he is scum. How can you say that he is being anti-town but at the same time say that "sorry guys he's anti-town but I'm not scumreading him"? What was the point of that in the end? Obviously nothing, you tried something as a scum and got called out and had to backpaddle for next 5 pages try to bury it. ---- Foreman Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:19 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:06 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote:
NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind. So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do. Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should ##Vote Calix Very dodgy vote for "overanalyzing = tryhard" or w/e. Gets called out by Calix, as his vote came after NU with very little reasoning behind. Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:29 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:20 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:19 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:06 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote:
NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind. So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do. Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should ##Vote Calix Sheep vote noted. How is claiming that posting gifs after claiming a role tryhard? So you accuse me of sheeping, then question my push.
Discredit noted.
Giving somebody crap for not shitting up the thread has a couple different scum motivations behind it: 1) You are going after an easy target for not doing what they said they'd do (after they got some friction about it when they announced it, iirc?) 2) Your post clearly nudged them to return to that practice despite your transparent disclaimer, which would be pro-scum if they were to do so. First, it was not a push. You voted Calix for absolutely nothing scum indicative then call his callout discrediting you. Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:38 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:33 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:29 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:20 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:19 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:06 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote:
NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind. So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do. Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should ##Vote Calix Sheep vote noted. How is claiming that posting gifs after claiming a role tryhard? So you accuse me of sheeping, then question my push. Discredit noted. Giving somebody crap for not shitting up the thread has a couple different scum motivations behind it: 1) You are going after an easy target for not doing what they said they'd do (after they got some friction about it when they announced it, iirc?) 2) Your post clearly nudged them to return to that practice despite your transparent disclaimer, which would be pro-scum if they were to do so. You are voting right after I received a vote. There is no discrediting here, only using evidence to draw a conclusion. Why would I not question your push? I don't consider 'tryhard' to be a scum-tell and wanted to know what your logic was for thinking so. I am not scum-reading ExO. That's not 'going after an easy target', it's asking for a response to a simple question. No it didn't. I asked why they weren't doing it. That cannot be interpreted as a subtle nudge to keep doing it in any world. It's not pro-scum. It's anti-town. Sheeping is voting using somebody else's reasons. I voted with my own push. Not the same thing. If you're not scumreading ExO, your vote is in the wrong place. Shitting up a thread is pro-scum because it allows scum to more easily hide in the noise it creates. I may be new to this site, but don't think for a second that means you can bullshit me. You didn't have a push. You voted, then made up reasons for it cuz the vote was shit: The so called "tryhard and overanalyzing" transformed into "going after low hanging fruit and motivating people to behave anti-town" On November 04 2016 00:51 Skynx wrote:More badness cuz of word limit Tictock Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 07:00 Tictock wrote:
Ok more or less caught up.
Exo and Foreman seem like the obv scum team to me atm. A little less sure on Foreman, but eh w/e.
Exo is prob scum for his reaction to Calix's questions as well as him dropping the gif stuff. Calix was right to ask him why he dropped his "I'm gunna post in mostly gifs" kus the most likely reason why he would drop that plan is if he rolled scum and decided it would draw too much attn to himself. I think the fact the he only posted the one gif kinda supports that as well.
Exo's push on Calix is pretty BS too, saying she is scum for "trying to get him to post gifs" is just stupid kus there is no way that is what she was implying. Not to mention that I don't think Calix would ever do that as scum either.
After arguing with Calix a bunch all he did was call me scum for my one liner open. Seems like the obv lynch to me.
##Vote: Exo_ Exo is scum with Foreman Exo is scum for overreacting to a bad push > No, he had right to do that, he got voted by someone else plus the guy making the push didn't vote for him and said he is not even scumreading him. He has to retaliate here otherwise people will accuse him for not going after shitty pushes. Exo is scum for dropping the gif stuff > So you actually suggest him trying to be pro-town implies he did it because he rolled mafia is absolute OMGUS. Exo is scum for shitty push on Calix > I can sort of agree with this cuz it was badly worded. However this is quite bad as Exo's push is not indicative of Calix' alignment as regardless of the retaliation, Calix' push was bad and he stepped back from it and should be pushed for it. Nothing about Foreman this is literally the worse case ever Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 07:05 Tictock wrote:
Calix and Marghal (or w/e) are my top town atm. Mostly everything they have done has been to push the game forward and have been looking at multiple people from multiple angles.
Skynx is a little shitter for trying to imply that this early game is NAI. This is prob the least jokey start of a game I have every seen. Kinda null on him despite his early posts seeming unlikely to come from scum imo.
I kinda think NU is town but I'm not really sure why, just feels natural and relaxed I guess. In the same vein I kinda liked Dark's one post too so they are both townleaning nulls. "pushing the game forward" here means voting for wrong and weak and meaningless reasons that are not there. what does this even mean? Can you like quote some stuff indicating why them two are town? Cuz i see nothing. Middle ground on me, calls me shitter, unlikely to come from scum, in the end null. If above two are town for pushing the game forward by a clear margin for you, why am I not an as clear scum for doing the absolute opposite?? These don't make any sense. Two lists of opinions about people after a long silence and they are all meaningless/wrong.
##Vote: Tictock
Town act in illogical ways all the time. Someone being illogical for town doesn't automatically make it logical for scum. It just makes it a bad idea to do as town.
I don't really know how to take Skynx into account now. I'm actually inclined to think he's town because he's clearly been taking notes on the players - aka, it must have taken a lot of time and effort to filter most of the players and criticise them.
"But Calix, isn't he throwing shade?"
I don't think so. He's so abrasive towards everyone that it reads as townie to me. Scum don't generally make some shitty whining posts and follow that up with scathing analysis of over half the players in the game. That's a good way to piss everyone off. He makes it clear which player he scum-reads the most as well (Tictock) so he's not just throwing shit out there and seeing which one will take the best with the town.
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