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On November 03 2016 04:02 Tictock wrote:
Wow you guys from off site like to start slinging shit right there off huh?
Be around later
This entry is now my 2nd scum read behind calix.
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On November 03 2016 04:44 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:40 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 04:35 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:32 mahrgell wrote:gosh Calix, can we please stop post synced? Also after what I read from you last game I'm afraid of myself, if I share your thoughts... I don't want to be like you  Sorry. It's ironic because you're insinuating that I am a bad player...but I'm pretty sure that you misinterpreted what Foreman said. He was calling me scum, not you. I am aware that he is only going after you. But as I share your concern regarding NU... And would like the same answer to be answered... He refuses to answer me, because he considers you to be scum. I don't agree on the policy of "I don't talk to who I consider scum". I consider this antitown, but I understand interpretations on this may differ. But I really dislike the policy of "I don't talk to you, because a player I consider to be scum shared your concerns". This is for sure antitown. So either he considers me scum too, or he is just antitown. Both conclusions are not really giving him any plus points in my book. It is extremely anti-town to ignore anyone save for red-checked players or the like. It shows that he is not willing to reconsider his reads and will be prone to tunnel-vision. (this is something I am specifically trying to avoid) I remain uncertain on Foreman. I'm inclined to scum-read him purely for his pathetic dismissal of my NU case (aka the most substantial post made this game) but I'm biased there as I think my case is pretty good. Furthermore, some of his posts have minor town-tells in them. (nothing convincing though) Concluding null as it stands.
How can you be so hesitant to scum read anyone? All of your reads come built in with "but I might be wrong." You back pedal on everything you've said so far and leave yourself a way out.
Almost as if you are afraid to hard scum read somebody because you know you are lying. I'm quite convinced you are scum leaving yourself as many outs as possible.
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I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left.
I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit.
I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at.
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On November 04 2016 04:18 Calix wrote:
Reasoning?
I didn't like his filter and trust skynx
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On November 04 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:06 Calix wrote:
I don't think ExO being defensive is scummy although yes, his case and tunnel against me was bad. It can also be coming from the POV of an overzealous townie. I believe that he's tunneled before as town, no?
However I'm having a hard time thinking that given that he just popped in to slap the third vote on your train and didn't even explain himself until I asked -_- I really do think Exo should be the lynch today. Seems way too likely that he is scum to me, but hey even if he isn't we can see he isn't adding anything to the game and is only VT so not a bad lynch right? + Show Spoiler +Kinda joking there... kinda... I might even try and write another case about him later if I feel like it. Also I might cry a little if I get mislynched D1 two games in a row...
Either you believe my VT claim, or you don't. It's interesting logic to me that you would be okay with lynching me because "I'm only VT" if you don't believe my VT claim.
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On November 04 2016 05:30 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:27 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 05:19 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 05:06 Calix wrote:
I don't think ExO being defensive is scummy although yes, his case and tunnel against me was bad. It can also be coming from the POV of an overzealous townie. I believe that he's tunneled before as town, no?
However I'm having a hard time thinking that given that he just popped in to slap the third vote on your train and didn't even explain himself until I asked -_- I really do think Exo should be the lynch today. Seems way too likely that he is scum to me, but hey even if he isn't we can see he isn't adding anything to the game and is only VT so not a bad lynch right? + Show Spoiler +Kinda joking there... kinda... I might even try and write another case about him later if I feel like it. Also I might cry a little if I get mislynched D1 two games in a row... I wouldn't say that Rels added anything new to the game either. He hasn't claimed VT but I think your argument is applicable to him as well. Meanwhile ExO was the reason that the game kicked off the way that it did with how he reacted. If you're town and you get mislynched on D1 yet again, that would be hilarious. Nah, I stand by what I said about Rels. His posts seem like he is just adding what thoughts he has to the game, not posting stuff to try and look good. Why do you seem to want to TR Exo so bad? Are you implying that ExO/ Calix is a possible scum team? If not, why ask the question? That's also an ignorant question to ask to begin with. I initially town-read ExO and have recently expressed doubts about that given his sub-par posting... which were in the posts that you responded to.
Your town reading of me doesn't necessarily have to be attached to both of us being scum. It could be only you being scum
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On November 04 2016 05:33 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:28 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 05:06 Calix wrote:
I don't think ExO being defensive is scummy although yes, his case and tunnel against me was bad. It can also be coming from the POV of an overzealous townie. I believe that he's tunneled before as town, no?
However I'm having a hard time thinking that given that he just popped in to slap the third vote on your train and didn't even explain himself until I asked -_- I really do think Exo should be the lynch today. Seems way too likely that he is scum to me, but hey even if he isn't we can see he isn't adding anything to the game and is only VT so not a bad lynch right? + Show Spoiler +Kinda joking there... kinda... I might even try and write another case about him later if I feel like it. Also I might cry a little if I get mislynched D1 two games in a row... Either you believe my VT claim, or you don't. It's interesting logic to me that you would be okay with lynching me because "I'm only VT" if you don't believe my VT claim. Is this really all you're gonna contribute? Your filter is so subpar right now and you going back to the VT claim stuff?
Are you going to ignore the inconsistency with Ticktock here? HE brought up that I was only VT, not me, and I responded that it makes no sense to kill me because I'm only VT if you don't believe my VT claim.
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On November 04 2016 05:33 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:31 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 05:30 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 05:27 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 05:19 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 05:06 Calix wrote:
I don't think ExO being defensive is scummy although yes, his case and tunnel against me was bad. It can also be coming from the POV of an overzealous townie. I believe that he's tunneled before as town, no?
However I'm having a hard time thinking that given that he just popped in to slap the third vote on your train and didn't even explain himself until I asked -_- I really do think Exo should be the lynch today. Seems way too likely that he is scum to me, but hey even if he isn't we can see he isn't adding anything to the game and is only VT so not a bad lynch right? + Show Spoiler +Kinda joking there... kinda... I might even try and write another case about him later if I feel like it. Also I might cry a little if I get mislynched D1 two games in a row... I wouldn't say that Rels added anything new to the game either. He hasn't claimed VT but I think your argument is applicable to him as well. Meanwhile ExO was the reason that the game kicked off the way that it did with how he reacted. If you're town and you get mislynched on D1 yet again, that would be hilarious. Nah, I stand by what I said about Rels. His posts seem like he is just adding what thoughts he has to the game, not posting stuff to try and look good. Why do you seem to want to TR Exo so bad? Are you implying that ExO/ Calix is a possible scum team? If not, why ask the question? That's also an ignorant question to ask to begin with. I initially town-read ExO and have recently expressed doubts about that given his sub-par posting... which were in the posts that you responded to. Your town reading of me doesn't necessarily have to be attached to both of us being scum. It could be only you being scum That doesn't override my point where I provide evidence countering his "Calix is trying too hard to town-read ExO" implication. Go and do something useful please. You just voted for TT yet you are not helping question him. What gives?
read please
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On November 04 2016 05:41 Calix wrote:
Foreman, can you give your thoughts on Skynx' wall-posts?
As for ExO, I missed #600. I'm not sure I agree. He says "I think ExO is scum but if he isn't then he's only a VT and is useless so he can die"
He thinks you're scum, ergo you're lying about being VT. All he does is rule out the possibility of you being TPR. I don't see inconsistency here.
Or I'm lying about being VT to get scum to not mess with me on day 1. However look at the way he posts. He knows I'm only VT.
You need to learn to read between the lines. Mafia are never going to come into the thread and announce they are mafia
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On November 04 2016 05:49 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:44 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 05:41 Calix wrote:
Foreman, can you give your thoughts on Skynx' wall-posts?
As for ExO, I missed #600. I'm not sure I agree. He says "I think ExO is scum but if he isn't then he's only a VT and is useless so he can die"
He thinks you're scum, ergo you're lying about being VT. All he does is rule out the possibility of you being TPR. I don't see inconsistency here. Or I'm lying about being VT to get scum to not mess with me on day 1. However look at the way he posts. He knows I'm only VT. You need to learn to read between the lines. Mafia are never going to come into the thread and announce they are mafia How would scum!TT know that you, the town!ExO, is telling the truth and that you're not a TPR exactly? I don't follow the "he knows I'm only VT" part.
He wouldn't. However, he would had no problem killing me if he's scum (especially if he's scum and suspect I'm a power role). Does this make sense to you or do I need to break it down entirely?
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Just to make sure you don't misunderstand, I'm implying he claims that lynching me is okay because he thinks I'm either scum or if I'm not I'm just VT.
That's scum logic. He's saying that because he believes it, but because he thinks it'll be easy to get town to vote for me.
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On November 04 2016 05:55 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:53 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 05:49 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 05:44 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 05:41 Calix wrote:
Foreman, can you give your thoughts on Skynx' wall-posts?
As for ExO, I missed #600. I'm not sure I agree. He says "I think ExO is scum but if he isn't then he's only a VT and is useless so he can die"
He thinks you're scum, ergo you're lying about being VT. All he does is rule out the possibility of you being TPR. I don't see inconsistency here. Or I'm lying about being VT to get scum to not mess with me on day 1. However look at the way he posts. He knows I'm only VT. You need to learn to read between the lines. Mafia are never going to come into the thread and announce they are mafia How would scum!TT know that you, the town!ExO, is telling the truth and that you're not a TPR exactly? I don't follow the "he knows I'm only VT" part. He wouldn't. However, he would had no problem killing me if he's scum (especially if he's scum and suspect I'm a power role). Does this make sense to you or do I need to break it down entirely? ELI5 I'm running into a problem that is rare for me - I have way too many town-reads. Needless to say, I'm having a hard time here.
Scum TT knows who his scum buddy is, and who is town.
He sees I claim VT.
He knows that by killing me he'll either kill a VT (in which case he can claim "he was being worthless for town and it was good to get him out now, blah blah blah), or he'll kill a town power role and again blame it on my play.
He claims that I'm either scum or VT. This is a call that nobody who is town will make. Because if a town player believes my VT claim then I cannot be scum. However if a town player doubts my VT claim then I might be power role and they might not wanna lynch me. The only people who would want to lynch me right now for the logic TT is presenting, are scum.
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On November 04 2016 05:55 ExO_ wrote:
Just to make sure you don't misunderstand, I'm implying he claims that lynching me is okay because he thinks I'm either scum or if I'm not I'm just VT.
That's scum logic. He's saying that because he believes it, but because he thinks it'll be easy to get town to vote for me.
*ebwop not beacuse he believes it
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On November 04 2016 06:01 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:55 ExO_ wrote:
Just to make sure you don't misunderstand, I'm implying he claims that lynching me is okay because he thinks I'm either scum or if I'm not I'm just VT.
That's scum logic. He's saying that because he believes it, but because he thinks it'll be easy to get town to vote for me. I understand now. You think that he thinks you're a good target for a mislynch in this scenario because he thinks that there's no risk of you claiming TPR and thus the lynch won't get diverted. I can see where you're coming from. What did you make of his response to it? Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:56 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 05:48 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 05:42 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 05:30 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 05:27 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 05:19 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 05:06 Calix wrote:
I don't think ExO being defensive is scummy although yes, his case and tunnel against me was bad. It can also be coming from the POV of an overzealous townie. I believe that he's tunneled before as town, no?
However I'm having a hard time thinking that given that he just popped in to slap the third vote on your train and didn't even explain himself until I asked -_- I really do think Exo should be the lynch today. Seems way too likely that he is scum to me, but hey even if he isn't we can see he isn't adding anything to the game and is only VT so not a bad lynch right? + Show Spoiler +Kinda joking there... kinda... I might even try and write another case about him later if I feel like it. Also I might cry a little if I get mislynched D1 two games in a row... I wouldn't say that Rels added anything new to the game either. He hasn't claimed VT but I think your argument is applicable to him as well. Meanwhile ExO was the reason that the game kicked off the way that it did with how he reacted. If you're town and you get mislynched on D1 yet again, that would be hilarious. Nah, I stand by what I said about Rels. His posts seem like he is just adding what thoughts he has to the game, not posting stuff to try and look good. Why do you seem to want to TR Exo so bad? Are you implying that ExO/ Calix is a possible scum team? If not, why ask the question? That's also an ignorant question to ask to begin with. I initially town-read ExO and have recently expressed doubts about that given his sub-par posting... which were in the posts that you responded to. I know you started to change your mind, and no I don't really think you two are on a team. Neither of those points matter, I just wanted to know what had you thinking Exo was town before. I actually do read and usually double check stuff before I ask questions you know. Because I think his defensiveness/ role claim/ tunneling are anti-town behaviours. I don't see a compelling scum narrative for enacting such behaviours. The only one which I can see for ExO is: scum!ExO sees Calix's question -> scum!ExO thinks that he can use the question to spin a scum narrative on Calix -> scum!ExO goes hard on Calix in hopes of starting a bandwagon -> scum!ExO goes in too deep and gets a shitload of unwanted attention on him -> scum!ExO retires from the thread until attention goes away before he retracts his Calix scum-read. I feel like the townie explanation is a bit simpler though. I'm seeing it more like he rolled scum after just getting out of a game as scum so drops his gif plan and instead claims VT. You start questioning him him about it and he can't think of a good explanation. So instead he fakes some OMGUS and makes up some BS about you trying to get him to post gifs. Later he backs off this push claiming it was for reactions (but never followed through with that) and then decides to sheep skynx's case. I'm really not seeing the town narrative, hence why I think he is scum. But how hard is it to just say something like "oh I was joking" or "I wanted to play the game properly" or something? Maybe I'm just assuming that ExO is as amazingly intelligent as I am, but that doesn't seem like a stretch for scum. His later behaviour is more concerning to me. I don't really like it and the point which I found the most interesting from him is something that you claim was a joke. (I think)
what am I claiming was a joke?
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On November 04 2016 06:02 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:41 Calix wrote:
Foreman, can you give your thoughts on Skynx' wall-posts?
As for ExO, I missed #600. I'm not sure I agree. He says "I think ExO is scum but if he isn't then he's only a VT and is useless so he can die"
He thinks you're scum, ergo you're lying about being VT. All he does is rule out the possibility of you being TPR. I don't see inconsistency here. His wall posts don't line up with the mindset of somebody that considers themselves low hanging fruit.
What is this supposed to accomplish? He's not allowed to start posting things b/c he at one point in the game considered himself low hanging fruit?
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On November 04 2016 06:03 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:55 ExO_ wrote:
Just to make sure you don't misunderstand, I'm implying he claims that lynching me is okay because he thinks I'm either scum or if I'm not I'm just VT.
That's scum logic. He's saying that because he believes it, but because he thinks it'll be easy to get town to vote for me. It's actually surprisingly hard to get people to vote obv scum. I'm not even just talking about this game either. Also you can ague this point to death if you want. My read on you is pretty independent of your claim, though at this rate your filter is just gunna be you talking about it.
Yes but I'm clearly not obvious scum here. And nothing you've posted so far implies I'm obvious scum. So are you saying I'm obvious scum? No. You're trying to force an early mislynch onto me, then revert to an excuse afterwards.
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On November 04 2016 06:05 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:44 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 05:41 Calix wrote:
Foreman, can you give your thoughts on Skynx' wall-posts?
As for ExO, I missed #600. I'm not sure I agree. He says "I think ExO is scum but if he isn't then he's only a VT and is useless so he can die"
He thinks you're scum, ergo you're lying about being VT. All he does is rule out the possibility of you being TPR. I don't see inconsistency here. Or I'm lying about being VT to get scum to not mess with me on day 1. However look at the way he posts. He knows I'm only VT. You need to learn to read between the lines. Mafia are never going to come into the thread and announce they are mafia How would he, as scum, know you are VT? A blue would have a better idea whether you were bullshitting than scum, would they not?
read the thread please
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On November 04 2016 06:07 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 06:03 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:02 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 05:41 Calix wrote:
Foreman, can you give your thoughts on Skynx' wall-posts?
As for ExO, I missed #600. I'm not sure I agree. He says "I think ExO is scum but if he isn't then he's only a VT and is useless so he can die"
He thinks you're scum, ergo you're lying about being VT. All he does is rule out the possibility of you being TPR. I don't see inconsistency here. His wall posts don't line up with the mindset of somebody that considers themselves low hanging fruit. What is this supposed to accomplish? He's not allowed to start posting things b/c he at one point in the game considered himself low hanging fruit? No. I'm saying he was obviously lying when he called himself low-hanging fruit, and that he made that remark instead of simply explaining why he was busy or what have you makes him scum.
He cannot be lying about calling himself low-hanging fruit. Thats an opinion thing and not alignment indicative in any way. Getting stuck up on this is dumb as hell.
Also read the thread. You're skipping posts like crazy
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