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On November 06 2016 01:01 Tictock wrote:Humm reading Darth's filter I kinda like him less. Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:30 darthfoley wrote:
Foreman completely writing off Calix basically because of one push is helping town at all. Seems like uber tunneling that never actually helps town. Don't see any post so far that screams scum SO hard that I wouldn't entertain the possibility that my read on someone was wrong. Seems a bit scummy to me, especially D1. I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama
Calix is a slight town read to me currently. I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes.
This early read on Foreman is really odd, just kinda rambly and the two bolded lines both contradict each other and add nothing. I also noticed that Darth made posts all day long about Exo being scum. Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 09:04 darthfoley wrote:
I also find it weird that
1. ExO came in
2. Got scum read and pressured
3. Weak case on Calix
4. Other people came in, namely NU, and changed the conversation
5. ExO peaced out and the current 1v1s are NU vs. Calix, Foreman vs. mahrgell
6. People seemingly forget about ExO Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 12:30 darthfoley wrote:
ExO's filter is also relatively assheeks. I need Rels in the building Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 03:01 darthfoley wrote:
If ExO continues to be this underwhelming and inactivate I think I'd be okay with an exO lynch But only joins the wagon after making a big post about why he doesn't think I'm scum anymore and that Exo is the better lynch. Kinda feels like he just kept this scumread on Exo in his back pocket, bringing it out when useful but not committing to it till it became clear that Exo was going to be lynched. Unfortunately I didn't find anything that really makes me think he is either town or scum. Just this stuff that stands out as kinda weird to me. Moving Darth to a solid null read.
1. I don't see a contradiction in those two lines that you quoted. Isn't he saying "I don't see any posts that would make me think anyone is lock scum. Therefore Foreman thinking that Calix is lock scum, especially on D1, is a bit scummy to me."
That's how I read them anyway.
2. A better point. I'll await darthfoley's explanation here.
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Man, having half the players not even do anything during the night phase is tilting.
This is totally not a page-top post.
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Anyway, I think I'm a pretty good NK target so I'll just say this:
1. Wagon Rels/ Skynx tomorrow. Rels has been under no pressure the entire game so even if you're not convinced that he's mafia, it's still a good move to pressure him alongside Skynx and see who fares better. Two wagons is ALWAYS better than one.
I will note that Skynx promised to make some cases on TT/ NU during the night phase but he didn't. Did he even post at all during the night phase?
2. Foreman needs to step it the fuck up tomorrow or else he can die. If Skynx/ Rels end up being super-townie then I would probably lynch him as a rough guideline.
3. I'm confident in my TT/ mahrgell town-reads. I really hope these two work together and bounce reads off each other. You can add in NU because I do think he's town if you tally everything up but he's playing really poorly so my suspicions of him won't go away. I don't know what is up there.
4. It's a good idea to properly reread darthfoley. I'm seeing a lot of "he's okay/ lean-town but I haven't properly reread him" from players (myself included, lol) so make sure that this gets done! It's not a good idea to let him slip through the cracks especially given his N1 posts.
5. Hypothetically speaking, I think Cop claiming mid-way through Day 2 if they have a red check is optimal play here for the sake of information. I'll be doing this if I'm Cop and survive and whatnot. If the target is getting voted/ widely-suspected without the claim then don't bother though.
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To add to my darthfoley note, he has pushed TT and mahrgell and still seems to suspect mahrgell the last time I checked. (aside from that one post where his response was "lol why did you have to make that pro-town post?" or something like that)
The fact that he doesn't see what I see in them is concerning.
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Did I mention that having half the players not do anything during N1 is annoying? It really is.
I'm going to die over a bunch of lazy, apathetic, no-posting shitters and none of you are going to even read my filter afterwards.
At least I can rave in the observers QT with disformation and ExO and that other dude.
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On November 06 2016 02:54 NeverUnlucky wrote:
*yawn* Calix saying I'm playing poorly when 2/3 of her cases were on her town-reads zzz
Why do you propose Skynx and Rels who you don't think are a team and keep Foreman as a reserve wagon?
I'd lynch Foreman first thing tomorrow personally.
How retarded do you have to be to ask that? I want to pressure both to see who the mafia among them is...?
You are asking the dumbest questions.
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And yes, you are playing like absolute crap. This is undeniable. Everyone agrees with me here. It's not just me being a dick. Deal with it.
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On November 06 2016 02:58 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 02:56 Calix wrote:On November 06 2016 02:54 NeverUnlucky wrote:
*yawn* Calix saying I'm playing poorly when 2/3 of her cases were on her town-reads zzz
Why do you propose Skynx and Rels who you don't think are a team and keep Foreman as a reserve wagon?
I'd lynch Foreman first thing tomorrow personally.
How retarded do you have to be to ask that? I want to pressure both to see who the mafia among them is...? You are asking the dumbest questions. lmao "pressure rels, he has not had much pressure" Foreman was not pressured either, yet you don't propose wagoning him while he's done jackshit. I hope you are night killed, honestly.
The blatant stupidity continues. If I think one of them is mafia then I'm going to want to pressure both.
Simple as that.
I literally said "lynch Foreman if Skynx/ Rels are town"
Your reading is so poor.
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Looks like I'll just be teaming up with TT then. He seems to have screwed his head back on.
##vote Rels
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I don't know how much to read into the night kill, so this is mostly a speculative post.
However I find it notable that darthfoley was suspecting mahrgell for most of the game, then seemed to move away from that scum-read of him at night time and then mahrgell was shot.
As for what mahrgell said, he did make that Skynx case, agreed that Rels was also scummy (especially if Skynx flips town) and that Foreman needed to die due to his lack of a town agenda.
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On November 06 2016 03:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 03:09 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 06 2016 03:05 cakepie wrote:
NeverUnlucky is officially warned for posting at XX:00 and will receive a warning PM.
You may now proceed. Pretty sure that was XX:06 ... ... ... Nevermind, the first post has a timestamp of XX:00. Warning accepted. Can you not put this many links in the vote count? It took me 10 minutes to delete them all, zzz. ExO_ (6) : NeverUnlucky,]Tictock, NeverUnlucky, NeverUnlucky,mahrgell, Foreman, Calix,Rels,darthfoley Tictock (1) : Skynx, darthfoley, ExO_Skynx (1) : Foreman, NeverUnluckyNeverUnlucky (1) : Calix, Skynx, Skynx Calix (0) : ExO_, Foreman, NeverUnlucky, NeverUnluckydarthfoley (0) : Foreman (0) : mahrgellmahrgell (0) : ForemanCalix,NeverUnlucky, darthfoleyRels (0) : Calix
Thanks, that is surprisingly considerate of you.
This isn't a VCA. I can't do those. I'm just giving my thoughts.
Given that I believe TT is town, it is all but confirmed that there is a scum at the end of the ExO wagon. Given that Rels/ darthfoley made unnecessarily long posts condemning ExO before voting, I'm going to look into those again.
Foreman's vote is quite bad. He just said "oh I'll be more productive" and voted ExO during their argument. Very difficult to hold him accountable for that vote when he didn't really give any reasoning for it.
This is really bad the more I think about it. He wasn't involved in the TT vs ExO debate and when I asked him for his opinion HE SAID THAT HE WAS LIKING EXO FOR TOWN. His only post involving ExO between that and his vote is him going "I disagree with your reads" (which cannot be interpreted as a scum read)
I can only conclude that he voted for someone that he town-read. And he never saw it fit to explain why he did that.
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On November 04 2016 08:01 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 07:45 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 07:38 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 06:31 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 06:23 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 06:12 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 06:09 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 06:01 Calix wrote:
But how hard is it to just say something like "oh I was joking" or "I wanted to play the game properly" or something? Maybe I'm just assuming that ExO is as amazingly intelligent as I am, but that doesn't seem like a stretch for scum.
His later behaviour is more concerning to me. I don't really like it and the point which I found the most interesting from him is something that you claim was a joke. (I think) Thats actually kinda my point, town!Exo could have said the same things, or started posting gifs to joke around. What did we see? Him getting butthurt that you called him out for not posting Gifs and attacking you for it. I feel like this is going around in circles. It's clear that you think that's a scummy reaction from ExO and I disagree. I think we should move on since this thread is blowing up. Thoughts on Foreman? I'm still thinking this could be TvT and thus I find him sitting in the background to be conspicuous. I go a few hours without posting because I have shit to do and I'm sitting in the background? Lulz. Well in my opinion, you weren't posting a lot. Fine by itself. But you were just talking about stuff which wasn't related to the main discussion at hand until recently. That stood out to me especially because I think it's two townies fighting. Thus someone ignoring it looks weird and like they don't want to take a side in it since either of them being lynched helps scum. So yes, my logic is pretty good, I'd say. I'd say you're logic is pretty trash because there are dynamics between those two that I'm not familiar with so me jumping in the middle would only muddy the waters. "not familiar with" If they were discussing a meta reference then I would believe this. However they weren't. Everything that was discussed with ExO/ TT was sourced from the game thread. Why would the dynamics be unfamiliar to you? Regardless of your response, what DID you make of ExO/ TT? You do realize that meta isn't the only thing that carries over between games, yes? Personality conflicts and how they resolve (or not) can also be alignment indicative if people are familiar with those clashing. If I were to get in the middle of TT/ExO, it could have interfered with the ability to read them. I prefer to wait until things resolve and then chime in to avoid that. That said, I am likiing ExO for town. I don't understand why TT has votes, it's something I'll need to read up on later tonight. 17% battery is telling me nou.
So here's the quote chain where I call him out for not getting involved in TT vs ExO (so you can see his reasoning)
Here you can see him say "I am liking ExO for town"
So he goes on and says "I don't think TT would post "Rels what happened to you? Your play the past few games is like your heart just isn't in it anymore" if he was scum" (I don't understand how this makes TT town tbh lol but whatever)
On November 04 2016 08:48 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.
Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU I disagree with both of your scumreads. Mahrgell's flip on me looked like an honest reassessment. If he was scum, he could have accused me of AtE and used my reach out as grounds to double down on me. NU... I don't get why you think he's scum.
Here's the ONE post he had where he says that he disagrees with ExO.
On November 04 2016 08:53 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:51 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 08:48 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.
Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU I disagree with both of your scumreads. Mahrgell's flip on me looked like an honest reassessment. If he was scum, he could have accused me of AtE and used my reach out as grounds to double down on me. NU... I don't get why you think he's scum. What do you think of Mahgrell voting me without giving his reasoning just now? What about NU literally taking the words out of rels mouth as a reason to push me, even though rels didn't see it as a reason to scum read me. foreman read the damn thread. And do something to help town. What did this post accomplish here? What did you disagreeing with me (in a bad way) accomplish? N O T H I N G My bad, let me be more productive, then. ##Vote: ExO_
And then he just leaves this salty-ass vote on ExO???
I will say that I completely missed the rest of the context though. Foreman goes on and says this:
On November 04 2016 08:58 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:55 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 08:53 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 08:51 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 08:48 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.
Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU I disagree with both of your scumreads. Mahrgell's flip on me looked like an honest reassessment. If he was scum, he could have accused me of AtE and used my reach out as grounds to double down on me. NU... I don't get why you think he's scum. What do you think of Mahgrell voting me without giving his reasoning just now? What about NU literally taking the words out of rels mouth as a reason to push me, even though rels didn't see it as a reason to scum read me. foreman read the damn thread. And do something to help town. What did this post accomplish here? What did you disagreeing with me (in a bad way) accomplish? N O T H I N G My bad, let me be more productive, then. ##Vote: ExO_ for what reason? Why do you think I'm scum? You're flat out lying about me and attempting to intimidate me, for one thing. For another, your scumreads are trash and consist of two people pushing you. Because y'know, the entire scum team is going to throw everything they have into a d1 mislynch.
But this is actually even worse because his first comment is total bullshit and he doubles down on this awful reasoning which ExO correctly calls him out for.
So make of that what you will.
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Fuck, didn't add my elaborated reasoning.
What I meant to say was this:
"But this is actually even worse because his first comment is total bullshit and he doubles down on this awful reasoning which ExO correctly calls him out for. It gives me the impression that he voted for the band-wagon first without thinking about it and made up reasoning for it later. In no world does one deduce that ExO was 'flat-out lying and attempting to intimidate him' from what ExO said."
This is what ExO said beforehand, just for reference. Where are the lies? How does one find this intimidating...?
What do you think of Mahgrell voting me without giving his reasoning just now? What about NU literally taking the words out of rels mouth as a reason to push me, even though rels didn't see it as a reason to scum read me.
foreman read the damn thread. And do something to help town. What did this post accomplish here? What did you disagreeing with me (in a bad way) accomplish?
N O T H I N G
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I actually think your case would be stronger if you included the relevant posts. I am curious as to how you think your argument develops when you take these into account:
On November 05 2016 02:11 Rels wrote:
Now I know that it is super annoying to play as town when everybody is scumreading you. I know you're having a bad town if you're town. But I think you're scum.
On November 05 2016 02:21 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:15 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 05 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote:
Summary
Very town: mahg
Townlean: Exo, Calix
Not read at all: darth
Bad but not thoroughly read:Foreman
Nullish cuz neither town nor scum but bad: Rels
Scum: TT, NU
I pushed mahg earlier, his respons I liked. His lists later on I liked. He's not overly spammy. He's the most town imo.
Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise.
This to me looks like white-knighting. He gives a reason that I don't think warrants a town-read. I'm inclined to think that ExO is town and Skynx is scum with both their latest posts in mind. I agree that Skynx townread of ExO is weird as hell. But I don't agree that we can say anything about ExO from Skynx' townread. If Skynx is scum he knows fully well how his attitude looks like, so it's WIFOM to conclude anything from it. Like, it's not like Skynx would become confirmed town if ExO flipped town.
On November 05 2016 02:56 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:53 ExO_ wrote:On November 05 2016 02:50 Calix wrote:On November 05 2016 02:47 ExO_ wrote:
Calix/Skynx any questions you have please ask me, before I flip as town please ask now. I will try my best to answer quickly. I'm 100% sure you two are town and the people like NU trying to discredit Skynx are almost certainly going to be scum Yeah, can you please summarise/ conclude your reads in one post? I think that would help people see what your reads were. You can even just cobble your previous posts into one since you have 10 minutes left. This is something I'm not very good at. a lot of my reads I base on what I think, and researching specific examples is hard. I think out of TT/Rels/NU there is at least 1 scum. Maybe 2. TT or rels should have known better than to let this lynch go down like it did, and instead both pushed it hard. I would look at them heavily. NU's game has just been really bad all around, hard to say if its because he's bad or because he's scum though. I didn't like the way mahgrell played, and the way he's afk now but I think he's something to look at after the top 3. DF is townier than mahgrell. Foreman is angry town I'm tired of seeing this. I only started pushing you as my main scumread a few hours ago. You even scumread me for not having a strong scumread on you yesterday. That makes another thing that is not consistent with your reads actually. I'm having doubts but I think you'll flip scum. I don't think i'll shennannie.
I'm being vague because I'm not sure if I'm just seeing things.
(aside from his second post where he tries to throw shade on any town-reads that Skynx could have gotten from white-knighting. Like just look at that post. Look at what Rels is trying to achieve with that post. Doesn't look good, does it?)
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Also I like this version of NU. I'll stop insulting you since I don't have that many town-reads left.
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On November 06 2016 04:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:No, these posts don't really support my argument of him digging for reasons to still scum-read ExO after Exy appeared towny. They're still interesting to look at. I have very mixed feelings on the first quote. I think it's townie because he tries to empathize with someone he is getting lynched. Scum tend to be more reasonable and hide their emotions to keep their credibility, so I don't think they'd make that post. However, I also think it's scummy because of the wording of the "But I think you're scum." I don't know if y'all have the same feeling as I have, but I don't think he even believes himself there. The wording is too strange. Weak argument on that post: + Show Spoiler +He says "I know you're having a bad town if you're town." The fact that he wrote town twice makes me think that he knows that ExO is town. But that's put-in-spoiler-weak. Dunno what to make of the second and third quote, but I understand your reasoning. I don't like how he uses WIFOM as an argument though. That's too easy.
Oh yeah, Rels definitely has the most interesting EOD presence of all the players in the game. Not even a question.
I didn't like the "but I think you're scum" because it reads like he wants his cake and eat it too with how he treats ExO. And it's unnecessary to add because we can already infer that he thinks he's scum from what he's posted.
I can bring up more of the Skynx quotes if you'd like.
WIFOM is lame. Post speculation is way more fun.
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On November 06 2016 04:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:Actually I don't quite understand your reasoning for the second quote. If Rels is mafia, wouldn't he want to antagonize Skynx by saying that he is white-knighting instead of saying that it is WIFOM? Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 04:17 Calix wrote:
Also I like this version of NU. I'll stop insulting you since I don't have that many town-reads left. I made some much better posts day 1. Kind of sucks that you're only recognizing my play now that I make 2 contributive posts. :/
You're no mind-reader.
Well my point is that Rels is trying to nip the "Skynx could be town for blatantly defending ExO" argument in the bud, thus making him look worse, so not sure I follow.
I found the quotes. Not as many of them as I remembered there being though. I still don't see what purpose these posts have other than to say "Skynx doesn't get town points for defending ExO"
On November 05 2016 02:21 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:15 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 05 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote:
Summary
Very town: mahg
Townlean: Exo, Calix
Not read at all: darth
Bad but not thoroughly read:Foreman
Nullish cuz neither town nor scum but bad: Rels
Scum: TT, NU
I pushed mahg earlier, his respons I liked. His lists later on I liked. He's not overly spammy. He's the most town imo.
Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise.
This to me looks like white-knighting. He gives a reason that I don't think warrants a town-read. I'm inclined to think that ExO is town and Skynx is scum with both their latest posts in mind. I agree that Skynx townread of ExO is weird as hell. But I don't agree that we can say anything about ExO from Skynx' townread. If Skynx is scum he knows fully well how his attitude looks like, so it's WIFOM to conclude anything from it. Like, it's not like Skynx would become confirmed town if ExO flipped town.
Here he says "we cannot infer anything about ExO's alignment from Skynx defending him" and "Skynx would not become confirmed town if ExO is town because of WIFOM"
On November 05 2016 02:48 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:45 ExO_ wrote:
Okay I'm back home I'm going to try to type things out as fast as I can.
CALIX listen to me. Skynx is town. There is no way he comes in and town reads me at EoD as scum. It's too risky. You two need to lead the town here That is pretty false. Scum do this kind of thing all the time. It doesn't mean anything
Here he says "scum do this kind of thing [town-reading townies at EOD] all the time"
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On November 06 2016 04:53 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 04:46 Calix wrote:On November 06 2016 04:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:Actually I don't quite understand your reasoning for the second quote. If Rels is mafia, wouldn't he want to antagonize Skynx by saying that he is white-knighting instead of saying that it is WIFOM? On November 06 2016 04:17 Calix wrote:
Also I like this version of NU. I'll stop insulting you since I don't have that many town-reads left. I made some much better posts day 1. Kind of sucks that you're only recognizing my play now that I make 2 contributive posts. :/ You're no mind-reader. ???? Show nested quote +Well my point is that Rels is trying to nip the "Skynx could be town for blatantly defending ExO" argument in the bud, thus making him look worse, so not sure I follow.
You're no mind-reader. If you look at the nested quote, I suggest that Skynx is scum white-knighting ExO. Rels responds that we cannot conclude anything from Skynx's read on ExO. If he was scum, wouldn't he say: "OH YEAH! THIS IS WHITE-KNIGHTING, SKYNX IS SCUM!"?
He says that we can't conclude anything ABOUT EXO from Skynx's read. I read that as Rels trying to keep the wagon on ExO.
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On November 06 2016 04:56 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 04:55 Calix wrote:On November 06 2016 04:53 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 06 2016 04:46 Calix wrote:On November 06 2016 04:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:Actually I don't quite understand your reasoning for the second quote. If Rels is mafia, wouldn't he want to antagonize Skynx by saying that he is white-knighting instead of saying that it is WIFOM? On November 06 2016 04:17 Calix wrote:
Also I like this version of NU. I'll stop insulting you since I don't have that many town-reads left. I made some much better posts day 1. Kind of sucks that you're only recognizing my play now that I make 2 contributive posts. :/ You're no mind-reader. ???? Well my point is that Rels is trying to nip the "Skynx could be town for blatantly defending ExO" argument in the bud, thus making him look worse, so not sure I follow.
You're no mind-reader. If you look at the nested quote, I suggest that Skynx is scum white-knighting ExO. Rels responds that we cannot conclude anything from Skynx's read on ExO. If he was scum, wouldn't he say: "OH YEAH! THIS IS WHITE-KNIGHTING, SKYNX IS SCUM!"? He says that we can't conclude anything ABOUT EXO from Skynx's read. I read that as Rels trying to keep the wagon on ExO. Then that's a pretty good point.
Why thank you.
Unless you have anything else to add, I think we should stop posting for now and let the others chip in. Only so much that we can get done by ourselves. While I think our conversation was pretty productive, I don't want to spam out the lurkers.
(also I need to go out soon, lol)
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On November 06 2016 08:21 Tictock wrote:
Humm not the NK I was expecting, probably a medic dodge or summin.
Is it weird that gell's death makes me less sure Skynx is scum?
Like in the case that Skynx is town then mafia killing someone pushing Skynx makes it look like he got killed for being on the right track. I've also been wondering if scum!Skynx would actually stick his neck out so far with the whole TRing Exo thing.
Idk, I'm deep in WIFOM territory on this one. Take it as you will.
I actually feel more convinced that Skynx is scum given the increasing body of evidence against him. It's hard to tell given that the three main suspects have yet to defend themselves.
I liked DF's recent posts enough to take him out of my shit-list.
While I'm here, can you expand more on your Rels read? If you have other priorities then don't bother but I feel like I am too focused on Rels > Skynx and you said that you town-read him so I'd love to hear what you think.
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