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On November 03 2016 04:04 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:02 Tictock wrote:
Wow you guys from off site like to start slinging shit right there off huh?
Be around later This entry is now my 2nd scum read behind calix.
Omg I was noticed!
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As a side note, it's adorable how people call me anti-town like that should somehow effect the way I play.
Anti-town is how I roll. Not by design, just is what it is.
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On November 03 2016 06:28 Foreman wrote:
As a side note, it's adorable how people call me anti-town like that should somehow effect the way I play.
Anti-town is how I roll. Not by design, just is what it is.
How much experience do you have with mafia?
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On November 03 2016 06:29 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:28 Foreman wrote:
As a side note, it's adorable how people call me anti-town like that should somehow effect the way I play.
Anti-town is how I roll. Not by design, just is what it is. How much experience do you have with mafia?
Not overly much, just a few years.
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On November 03 2016 05:57 mahrgell wrote:
@NU I'm fine with that explanation. I agree with Calix that the way you worded it, you put those words in his mouth and agreed with them. Then again, I guess we can file this under misunderstanding for now. And I generally appreciate your stated goal to make things more civil. So continue doing so.
How is your opinion on what happened in your afk time?
How you judge Foreman, Exo, Calix, Skynx? darthfoley had only one post, not sure you would want to read anything.
And well... if you have questions for me... fire away.
I've skimmed 11-13 because it was "This is NAI" and "No, it's not, read my NU case" talk.
My honest opinion on what happened so far would be: boring.
I dislike in this order Skynx, ExO, Foreman, Calix, you.
And I appreciated darthfoley's one post.
That's about how my read look like.
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On November 03 2016 06:08 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:05 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 06:01 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:23 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Haiii guises, let us keep this atmosphere positive!
I agree with Mr. Foreman and Mr. ExO that Calix's push is not her greatest, and I also agree with Calix that ExO's defensive response looks scummy!
Foreman, may I ask you where you are coming from in terms of community? c: I'm not pushing ExO. That's being extremely generous. I never claimed that ExO was scummy, just illogical. I didn't even call him defensive. Where did you get that from? I said that. There My 'illogical' comment was referring to ExO though, not NU. But NU said "I agree with Calix that ExO's defensiveness is scummy" and when I said "I didn't say that, where did you get that idea from?" he then changes and says "well I said that" Which makes no sense. How do you even get that mixed up? As I already said, NU appears to me to equivocate logical fallacy with scumminess. Reread his post with the mindset of using one as a synonym for the other and his mindset is more clear, even if I do disagree with the principle.
Mhh?
That's 100% Calix you're describing here. I rarely if ever read people based on logic.
What made you think that?
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On November 03 2016 06:30 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I dislike in this order Skynx, ExO, Foreman, Calix, you.
And I appreciated darthfoley's one post.
That's about how my read look like.
How do you dislike mag**** less than Calix when mag**** has been an echo chamber of Calix?
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On November 03 2016 06:30 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:29 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 06:28 Foreman wrote:
As a side note, it's adorable how people call me anti-town like that should somehow effect the way I play.
Anti-town is how I roll. Not by design, just is what it is. How much experience do you have with mafia? Not overly much, just a few years.
'just a few years'
I haven't even played for one so that's impressive to me.
I asked because I thought you said "I'm new" and then you did a page-top which is something I've only seen MS players do.
But then I double-checked and realised you said "new to the site"
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On November 03 2016 06:31 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:08 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 06:05 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 06:01 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:23 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Haiii guises, let us keep this atmosphere positive!
I agree with Mr. Foreman and Mr. ExO that Calix's push is not her greatest, and I also agree with Calix that ExO's defensive response looks scummy!
Foreman, may I ask you where you are coming from in terms of community? c: I'm not pushing ExO. That's being extremely generous. I never claimed that ExO was scummy, just illogical. I didn't even call him defensive. Where did you get that from? I said that. There My 'illogical' comment was referring to ExO though, not NU. But NU said "I agree with Calix that ExO's defensiveness is scummy" and when I said "I didn't say that, where did you get that idea from?" he then changes and says "well I said that" Which makes no sense. How do you even get that mixed up? As I already said, NU appears to me to equivocate logical fallacy with scumminess. Reread his post with the mindset of using one as a synonym for the other and his mindset is more clear, even if I do disagree with the principle. Mhh? That's 100% Calix you're describing here. I rarely if ever read people based on logic. What made you think that?
If you're saying you don't equivocate illogical with scummy, them I'm wrong in my interpretation and that actually strengthens Calix's case imho.
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On November 03 2016 04:57 Foreman wrote:
If Calix is town, there's a fair chance that marghell is scum.
What prompted this?
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On November 03 2016 06:09 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:Oh, god! Guys, could you at least wait for me to be here so you don't make factually incorrect claims about my meta? :/ On November 03 2016 04:01 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:54 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 03:30 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:26 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:23 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Haiii guises, let us keep this atmosphere positive!
I agree with Mr. Foreman and Mr. ExO that Calix's push is not her greatest, and I also agree with Calix that ExO's defensive response looks scummy!
Foreman, may I ask you where you are coming from in terms of community? c: I'm not pushing ExO. That's being extremely generous. I never claimed that ExO was scummy, just illogical. I didn't even call him defensive. Where did you get that from? I said that. Your quote says "I agree WITH CALIX" which implies that I said "ExO being defensive is scummy" at some point. Clarify this now, please. I actually don't agree with the points you've made. ExO's defensive, that's as much as one can say on his subject. Offski. I for one do not like NU. His tone seems weird, he makes statements that are factually inaccurate/ putting words into my mouth and then retracts them when called out on them. I don't understand why. Given that he's just disappeared, I'll wait for a response before concluding anything for sure but he's giving me bad vibes at the moment. Well 1) I share NU's interpretation of what happened. 2) I appreciate his call for civil communication, from what I read in Cruisetrip he could have also easily heated up the fire without it looking worse than his usual play. 3) But I also agree with you, that it is weird for him to "buddy" you, by pretending you were sharing his self made points. I don't think there is much reason for him to try to appease you. With regards to Point 2, he is much tamer when he is scum. I'm not claiming that this is a 100% guaranteed tell (he is also busy and this has led to him being more subdued in the past) but it's in the back of my mind. Well in my opinion, this is how it went down: - He asks why ExO is being overly defensive. - I call ExO anti-town. - He misrepresented my positions by claiming that he agreed that I was a) scum-reading ExO and b) scum-reading ExO due to being overly defensive. - I ask him where he interpreted this from as those are not my positions. - He denies claiming this. - I tell him that he literally said in his quote "I agree with Calix" This is where the scummy part is. He immediately backtracks from that position by saying "well I don't agree" and leaves it at that. That's scummy because this progression could be NU trying to plant ideas inside of my head without actually taking responsibility for having the idea. This is a compelling explanation because the ExO/ Calix discussion was still going on at this time. Thus, it's possible that he was trying to manipulate me into agreeing that ExO's behaviour is scummy. It's also possible because I am well-known for getting myself into tunnels so I am a viable target. So yeah, discuss and all that. It is wrong that I am tamer as scum. Calix, you've read my latest scum game, you would know that I throw shade and throw shade as scum. I power-wolf. Here, I am trying to be civil and have everyone participate. Last game, in the obs QT, Shapelog mentioned 3-4 times that I was a nuisance to the thread atmosphere. It's clear that this is what team NU is trying to fix here. I could shitpost just like last game and call everyone bad, but that wouldn't fix the problem, right? I rephrased what I had meant two posts ago. What you depicted in this quote is not what I meant/what happened. How is it scummy though? Like, just last game you were calling me scum for claiming to be mod-confirmable, then when HF questioned you, you backtracked. It's actually pro-town. The bolded part stuns me. I'm trying my best not to bash you on it. Same for this whole post you just made on me. I said that I did not like your push, how did you make this leap to think that I was being deceptive into fueling your tunnel? You are trying to claim that a performance in a turbo game is representative of longer-term games. A SINGLE turbo game at that. Given that you admitted yourself that they aren't the same prior to this game, this statement makes no sense for you to make now. You do NOT have a meta of 'power wolfing'. 100% bullshit. Second paragraph has been noted. Why didn't you say that in the pre-game though? False equivalence. I made a claim with my thought process explained, was given information that contradicted it and realised my claim was void. You specifically noted that I 'agreed' with you and have not told us why you thought that to begin with. You're refraining from bashing me. Apparently you're refraining from countering the accusation properly as well.
If I pulled off a 1v7 as mafia while Power Wolfing, why the FUCK would I change my scum meta? There's no bullshit in that claim whatsoever.
If I were to roll scum, it was in my interest to keep this window of shitting up the thread open, and for other reasons that cannot be discussed here.
I have explained that post already.
If only there was a valid accusation to counter.
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On November 03 2016 06:37 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:57 Foreman wrote:
If Calix is town, there's a fair chance that marghell is scum. What prompted this?
Filter me.
That's why I want reads and original content from them.
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On November 03 2016 06:37 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:57 Foreman wrote:
If Calix is town, there's a fair chance that marghell is scum. What prompted this?
Or read 268.
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On November 03 2016 06:12 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:08 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 06:05 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 06:01 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:23 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Haiii guises, let us keep this atmosphere positive!
I agree with Mr. Foreman and Mr. ExO that Calix's push is not her greatest, and I also agree with Calix that ExO's defensive response looks scummy!
Foreman, may I ask you where you are coming from in terms of community? c: I'm not pushing ExO. That's being extremely generous. I never claimed that ExO was scummy, just illogical. I didn't even call him defensive. Where did you get that from? I said that. There My 'illogical' comment was referring to ExO though, not NU. But NU said "I agree with Calix that ExO's defensiveness is scummy" and when I said "I didn't say that, where did you get that idea from?" he then changes and says "well I said that" Which makes no sense. How do you even get that mixed up? As I already said, NU appears to me to equivocate logical fallacy with scumminess. Reread his post with the mindset of using one as a synonym for the other and his mindset is more clear, even if I do disagree with the principle. From what I can tell, he's saying that 'it was a mistake' (aka, it should be dismissed) (I'm considering that part of his defense NAI) Call me stupid but I don't see what his liking for using logical fallacies has to do with this point.
You're misrepresenting me so much this game. I never said or inferred that this point should be dismissed.
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On November 03 2016 06:38 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:09 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 06:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:Oh, god! Guys, could you at least wait for me to be here so you don't make factually incorrect claims about my meta? :/ On November 03 2016 04:01 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:54 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 03:30 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:26 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:23 Calix wrote:
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I'm not pushing ExO. That's being extremely generous.
I never claimed that ExO was scummy, just illogical. I didn't even call him defensive. Where did you get that from? I said that. Your quote says "I agree WITH CALIX" which implies that I said "ExO being defensive is scummy" at some point. Clarify this now, please. I actually don't agree with the points you've made. ExO's defensive, that's as much as one can say on his subject. Offski. I for one do not like NU. His tone seems weird, he makes statements that are factually inaccurate/ putting words into my mouth and then retracts them when called out on them. I don't understand why. Given that he's just disappeared, I'll wait for a response before concluding anything for sure but he's giving me bad vibes at the moment. Well 1) I share NU's interpretation of what happened. 2) I appreciate his call for civil communication, from what I read in Cruisetrip he could have also easily heated up the fire without it looking worse than his usual play. 3) But I also agree with you, that it is weird for him to "buddy" you, by pretending you were sharing his self made points. I don't think there is much reason for him to try to appease you. With regards to Point 2, he is much tamer when he is scum. I'm not claiming that this is a 100% guaranteed tell (he is also busy and this has led to him being more subdued in the past) but it's in the back of my mind. Well in my opinion, this is how it went down: - He asks why ExO is being overly defensive. - I call ExO anti-town. - He misrepresented my positions by claiming that he agreed that I was a) scum-reading ExO and b) scum-reading ExO due to being overly defensive. - I ask him where he interpreted this from as those are not my positions. - He denies claiming this. - I tell him that he literally said in his quote "I agree with Calix" This is where the scummy part is. He immediately backtracks from that position by saying "well I don't agree" and leaves it at that. That's scummy because this progression could be NU trying to plant ideas inside of my head without actually taking responsibility for having the idea. This is a compelling explanation because the ExO/ Calix discussion was still going on at this time. Thus, it's possible that he was trying to manipulate me into agreeing that ExO's behaviour is scummy. It's also possible because I am well-known for getting myself into tunnels so I am a viable target. So yeah, discuss and all that. It is wrong that I am tamer as scum. Calix, you've read my latest scum game, you would know that I throw shade and throw shade as scum. I power-wolf. Here, I am trying to be civil and have everyone participate. Last game, in the obs QT, Shapelog mentioned 3-4 times that I was a nuisance to the thread atmosphere. It's clear that this is what team NU is trying to fix here. I could shitpost just like last game and call everyone bad, but that wouldn't fix the problem, right? I rephrased what I had meant two posts ago. What you depicted in this quote is not what I meant/what happened. How is it scummy though? Like, just last game you were calling me scum for claiming to be mod-confirmable, then when HF questioned you, you backtracked. It's actually pro-town. The bolded part stuns me. I'm trying my best not to bash you on it. Same for this whole post you just made on me. I said that I did not like your push, how did you make this leap to think that I was being deceptive into fueling your tunnel? You are trying to claim that a performance in a turbo game is representative of longer-term games. A SINGLE turbo game at that. Given that you admitted yourself that they aren't the same prior to this game, this statement makes no sense for you to make now. You do NOT have a meta of 'power wolfing'. 100% bullshit. Second paragraph has been noted. Why didn't you say that in the pre-game though? False equivalence. I made a claim with my thought process explained, was given information that contradicted it and realised my claim was void. You specifically noted that I 'agreed' with you and have not told us why you thought that to begin with. You're refraining from bashing me. Apparently you're refraining from countering the accusation properly as well. If I pulled off a 1v7 as mafia while Power Wolfing, why the FUCK would I change my scum meta? There's no bullshit in that claim whatsoever. If I were to roll scum, it was in my interest to keep this window of shitting up the thread open, and for other reasons that cannot be discussed here. I have explained that post already. If only there was a valid accusation to counter.
My case is pretty good since your response to that encounter wasn't to just say "oh it was a mistake, sorry" but to backtrack and only dismissed it later.
First paragraph is some empty bragging rhetoric. NAI for someone of your character.
Yes, one of my points was that you were trying to encourage me to scum-read ExO so that I would continue arguing with him. Thanks for confirming that you agree with my logic there.
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On November 03 2016 06:33 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:30 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I dislike in this order Skynx, ExO, Foreman, Calix, you.
And I appreciated darthfoley's one post.
That's about how my read look like. How do you dislike mag**** less than Calix when mag**** has been an echo chamber of Calix?
Mahrgell is willing to take step back from his pushes while Calix is seemingly trying to get me stuck in the past and not backing off, instead worsening her already god awful push.
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On November 03 2016 06:35 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:31 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 06:08 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 06:05 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 06:01 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:23 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Haiii guises, let us keep this atmosphere positive!
I agree with Mr. Foreman and Mr. ExO that Calix's push is not her greatest, and I also agree with Calix that ExO's defensive response looks scummy!
Foreman, may I ask you where you are coming from in terms of community? c: I'm not pushing ExO. That's being extremely generous. I never claimed that ExO was scummy, just illogical. I didn't even call him defensive. Where did you get that from? I said that. There My 'illogical' comment was referring to ExO though, not NU. But NU said "I agree with Calix that ExO's defensiveness is scummy" and when I said "I didn't say that, where did you get that idea from?" he then changes and says "well I said that" Which makes no sense. How do you even get that mixed up? As I already said, NU appears to me to equivocate logical fallacy with scumminess. Reread his post with the mindset of using one as a synonym for the other and his mindset is more clear, even if I do disagree with the principle. Mhh? That's 100% Calix you're describing here. I rarely if ever read people based on logic. What made you think that? If you're saying you don't equivocate illogical with scummy, them I'm wrong in my interpretation and that actually strengthens Calix's case imho.
Calix's case which you did not read. Ha.
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On November 03 2016 06:41 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:12 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 06:08 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 06:05 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 06:01 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:23 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Haiii guises, let us keep this atmosphere positive!
I agree with Mr. Foreman and Mr. ExO that Calix's push is not her greatest, and I also agree with Calix that ExO's defensive response looks scummy!
Foreman, may I ask you where you are coming from in terms of community? c: I'm not pushing ExO. That's being extremely generous. I never claimed that ExO was scummy, just illogical. I didn't even call him defensive. Where did you get that from? I said that. There My 'illogical' comment was referring to ExO though, not NU. But NU said "I agree with Calix that ExO's defensiveness is scummy" and when I said "I didn't say that, where did you get that idea from?" he then changes and says "well I said that" Which makes no sense. How do you even get that mixed up? As I already said, NU appears to me to equivocate logical fallacy with scumminess. Reread his post with the mindset of using one as a synonym for the other and his mindset is more clear, even if I do disagree with the principle. From what I can tell, he's saying that 'it was a mistake' (aka, it should be dismissed) (I'm considering that part of his defense NAI) Call me stupid but I don't see what his liking for using logical fallacies has to do with this point. You're misrepresenting me so much this game. I never said or inferred that this point should be dismissed.
If something is a mistake then that is implicitly stating that nobody can read much more into it because you are claiming that it is a simple error with word usage. Either you're telling the truth or lying and delving into that part of the case is not going to yield fruitful answers. No misrepresentations in sight.
Claiming that it's a mistake is NAI so this line of thought is unproductive.
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On November 03 2016 06:42 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:33 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 06:30 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I dislike in this order Skynx, ExO, Foreman, Calix, you.
And I appreciated darthfoley's one post.
That's about how my read look like. How do you dislike mag**** less than Calix when mag**** has been an echo chamber of Calix? Mahrgell is willing to take step back from his pushes while Calix is seemingly trying to get me stuck in the past and not backing off, instead worsening her already god awful push.
Why is it town-indicative in Cruise Mafia for me to tunnel you based on faulty reasoning, but makes me 'seemingly trying to get [you] stuck in the past' when I make a milder push here?
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