EPTWhich part?
Because any response you can give to that makes you look terrible.
You're either saying "I refuse to read your case because you said I'm playing badly if town" or "I'm not actually busy"
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Which part? Because any response you can give to that makes you look terrible. You're either saying "I refuse to read your case because you said I'm playing badly if town" or "I'm not actually busy" | ||
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On November 05 2016 04:46 Calix wrote: @Tictock He also scum-reads ExO because 'he didn't want to draw attention to himself by only posting gifs' What's the issue here? He somehow thinks that ExO overreacting to my question, being overly defensive and lashing out at me is something that...will NOT get ExO a shit-load of attention...? He has to think that. Why? - He scum-reads ExO. - He claims that scum don't like attention and that ExO didn't post gifs because he didn't want attention. - Therefore he has to think that ExO's reaction was intentionally designed to not get attention onto ExO. Here's what I found: How does anyone think that attacking me and getting salty are things that won't draw attention to ExO? | ||
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On November 05 2016 05:55 NeverUnlucky wrote: I don't have time to deal with your toxicity. Please stop trying to provoke me, I am trying to have a clean game and improve. I read your posts. I think your first point is okay, but it would be even better if you highlighted the inconsistency in TT saying that Skynx was a TR before for drawing attention to himself while he did not consider this argument when scum-reading ExO who drew a lot of attention with his claim. I think you misinterpreted his point about the gifs. From my understanding, he was saying that ExO dropped the idea of posting gifs because he had rolled mafia and did not want to be policy lynched (which I threatened him for). Also not sure what the bolded has to do there as TT only said that posting gifs was prone to drawing attention. His point never was that ExO would try to keep a low profile by not attacking anyone and whatnot. If you were really trying to improve then you'd just shut up and do the improving instead of trying to twist my words against me. Keep that in mind. Your second paragraph is weird. Does it matter if my point was mediocre if you agree with it for different reasoning? TT never said anything about PLs though. He said that ExO was mafia who didn't want the attention that posting gifs and nothing else would give him. I'm saying that TT's reason for scum-reading ExO doesn't make sense because ExO's play was clearly drawing a lot of attention to him...which TT considers a town trait...but he claims that ExO is mafia because he didn't post purely in gifs because it would draw attention to him. But ExO's 'new play' was drawing attention to him anyway...and he never considered this or think that ExO might be town for that or say "well he is drawing attention to himself but he is still mafia because X" or anything. I just do not understand his thought process here. | ||
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On November 05 2016 06:16 NeverUnlucky wrote: -------------------------------- I did not say that your point was mediocre, miss. c: I think it is what he implied. If you have a quote of him saying that ExO did not want attention at all, do share it. That is my point in paragraph 2. c: Here you go: Exo is prob scum for his reaction to Calix's questions as well as him dropping the gif stuff. Calix was right to ask him why he dropped his "I'm gunna post in mostly gifs" kus the most likely reason why he would drop that plan is if he rolled scum and decided it would draw too much attn to himself. I think the fact the he only posted the one gif kinda supports that as well. I stand by my assessment. Him changing his stance from "I'm gunna post gifs and have fun" to "I'm gunna claim VT and get all serious about shit" is far more likely to come from someone who rolled scum and doesn't want to draw attention for posting mostly gifs. I am going to wait for TT's response before I talk any more about this. In the meantime, how have your reads changed since ExO's lynch? | ||
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On November 05 2016 06:17 Tictock wrote: My god you are digging so deep into this, and I thought we went over it already. Exo's scumread on you was pure reaction, even when I thought he was scum I thought that. I never thought it was some grandly designed post, it was basically just like the rest of Exo's reads which were just "Fuck you for scum reading me". I really don't get why this argument keeps coming up, there was a very clear difference between Exo's early posting and Skynx's early posting. I'm not going to use the same metric/logic/whatever when I feel like there is a clear difference in the posting. If you are going to keep up this line of thinking you should actually relook at their opening posts and tell me why I should have blindly used the same logic with both of them. Then you should explain why I, as scum, would even bother suggesting skynx might be town for drawing attn to himself rather than just let him draw that attn and push him along with Exo... which I did anyways. The TLDR of this is Exo's posts looked like he was just reacting and trying to step up to play seriously after you questioned him, Skynx responded to pressure with more bullshitting. Not the same posting, not using the same logic, hence my read was different. Please scum read me for better reasons, talking about the same point over and over gets old. Your first point isn't terrible. However that was kind of what I was going to say in response to your "why would I do X as scum" question so I don't find that part of your argument convincing whatsoever. I'm being lazy with my response because you promised that you'd be re-evaluating after ExO flipped town and I don't care to detract from that. So please don't let me interfere. I'll figure out what you are sooner or later anyway. | ||
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On November 05 2016 06:29 NeverUnlucky wrote: I do not think it is the right time to discuss my reads. What? Why? | ||
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On November 05 2016 06:36 NeverUnlucky wrote: Isn't it bad to discuss reads at night? Night phase is just another day phase. But I'm aware of the school of thought that you're using. I just disagree with it. | ||
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On November 05 2016 06:44 Tictock wrote: Sorry to disappoint but I'm just reading to keep up atm, wont be rereading till later. @ NU Discussing reads at night is fine, though I'll admit sometimes it's tempting to wait for Day phase for the extra flip and thus info. If you are of the line of thought that Scum are going to choose their NK target based on who is getting too close to the solution at night... Meh. That's actually not usually how scum pick NKs. I guess I shall just look at Rels if you're going to be a let-down. There's no point in me trying to evade a night kill by not solving the game. I'm Calix. | ||
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1. He feels like he has an agenda with his posts. I get this impression from how strongly he emphasises certain points compared to others. It's like he's trying to achieve X but is also trying to hide that he's trying to achieve X. Examples that pinged me include the following A) his town-read on me. He really wanted me to know about that. Nobody really needed like, four reasons for why I am town when nobody scum-read me at all at that point and it's not like I need to be defended. Terrible priorities at best, scum pocketing me at worst. B) his town-read on Foreman. He defends Foreman because of his tone which I'm noting because I don't think he's ever used tone to read anyone else and he seems really invested in that read. This is a very weak point by itself but I'm wondering if it's an example of Rels showing inherent bias when reading players. c) his discredits of Skynx. I'm referring to EOD where he was saying "well Skynx defending ExO isn't a town tell because Skynx would be aware of how that would look to everyone so it's null" which pinged me because he scum-read ExO so why the fuck would he care about how ExO read Skynx if he thinks ExO is mafia? And who thinks that saying "well this thing that you think is townie is actually null" is a good idea BEFORE someone has flipped anyway? I think Rels knew that ExO would flip town and didn't want Skynx getting town cred for defending the ML. 2. His progression with ExO/ darthfoley. While Rels is attacking darthfoley consistently, he didn't have a problem with switching to ExO by making a case. What's the problem there? ExO was already the leading train. Rels was one of the last voters. All that vote did was secure ExO's lynch and was completely pointless. His vote switch is even weirder because Rels said that ExO was 'very likely town' because of his VT claim earlier and spent a fair bit of time explaining that. And he kept that reasoning in mind but I don't get why he felt the need to switch to ExO when he had that VT claim town-read and felt that DF was scummier. | ||
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On November 05 2016 07:28 NeverUnlucky wrote: Oh, yeah, I remember Rels asking why I had him in my tinfoil reads. It kind of ties with Calix's last post too. Very early on, Rels said that he hated DF's first post and asked me why I had liked it (he did not explain his disliking of the post). It was only I gave my analysis of the post and pointed out the good and the bad in it that he gave his opinion. My opinion of DF changed from town-read to null-read, and I felt manipulated by Rels at the time :3 Looking over his filter, it actually very much ressembles Koshi's filter from last game in every aspect, I kid you not. Calix, agree? If you felt manipulated by him at the time then what stopped you from saying so? And how was that manipulative in your eyes? You're going to have to expand on that Rels/ Koshi comparison. I kind of get you but clarification would be nice. I don't fancy reading a Koshi filter if I am honest. | ||
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On November 05 2016 07:40 NeverUnlucky wrote: I tinfoiled later. Koshi called you lock town very early, like Rels. I remember Koshi saying he would even town-read you if there was a red-check on ye'. Koshi asked me about my previous games, Rels too. Their tone is similar. How often they ask for others' opinion. They both write "lol" in caps (Oddly I find this scummy). That's off the top of my head. I am confused. You say that 'I felt manipulated by him at the time' - would this not indicate that you had that feeling at the time of him making that post? Man, how can I ever suspect a dude who says "scum!Koshi and Rels write LOL, this is scummy"? That's the most hilarious comparison. But you make some valid comparisons, that aside. | ||
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On November 05 2016 12:10 Foreman wrote: I aim to impress everyone with my edge-lord personality over giving content. I live for filling up my filter with hot air with no substance to back it up. FTFY Funnily enough, I give less fucks about your lack of giving a fuck than you do about random players on the internet. Play the game or eat rope. Pick one because you are the most useless dead-weight in the game and that's saying a lot. Where the fuck is your pride? You're getting blown out of the water by Skynx and NU of all people. How do you even live with yourself? On November 04 2016 00:04 Foreman wrote: ##Vote: Skynx I've yet to see one productive post from this guy, and it's hard to remember that he's even in the game. Quoting this Skynx vote as a monumental testament to irony. Instead of wasting your precious time with "lol whatever idgaf what you think, you don't understand my story, this is the real me mam" maybe make a case against someone? I have not seen that since Page 1 of your filter and I can't remember a single read from you. You have five pages of filter and there's no impact with it. How exactly have you helped town again? Given that you're the same person who was giving mahrgell shit about 'not giving original reads' this is odd to say the least. (this isn't a 'case', just a 'stop talking shit and start doing shit' post) | ||
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That is pretty similar to his scum game where he just yelled at people to lynch Vivax/ ExO but didn't actually push for their lynches. Hmm. It's making me doubt myself now though. I don't think Rels/ Skynx is a thing because Rels trying to downplay the town cred that Skynx would get from defending ExO makes no sense as a scum/ scum interaction. So I am tempted to reconsider my Rels read. However he hasn't even turned up yet so I'd like a response to my post against him first so that I can judge properly. | ||
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Rels Skynx Foreman darthfoley I'm too lazy to reiterate my Rels read so here's the post again. + Show Spoiler + On November 05 2016 07:12 Calix wrote: Okay so here's what I think. I don't see anything that really gives me town vibes from Rels, he's in my POE reads and I don't really like him. Kind of want to sleep soon so have some bulletpoints: 1. He feels like he has an agenda with his posts. I get this impression from how strongly he emphasises certain points compared to others. It's like he's trying to achieve X but is also trying to hide that he's trying to achieve X. Examples that pinged me include the following A) his town-read on me. He really wanted me to know about that. Nobody really needed like, four reasons for why I am town when nobody scum-read me at all at that point and it's not like I need to be defended. Terrible priorities at best, scum pocketing me at worst. B) his town-read on Foreman. He defends Foreman because of his tone which I'm noting because I don't think he's ever used tone to read anyone else and he seems really invested in that read. This is a very weak point by itself but I'm wondering if it's an example of Rels showing inherent bias when reading players. c) his discredits of Skynx. I'm referring to EOD where he was saying "well Skynx defending ExO isn't a town tell because Skynx would be aware of how that would look to everyone so it's null" which pinged me because he scum-read ExO so why the fuck would he care about how ExO read Skynx if he thinks ExO is mafia? And who thinks that saying "well this thing that you think is townie is actually null" is a good idea BEFORE someone has flipped anyway? I think Rels knew that ExO would flip town and didn't want Skynx getting town cred for defending the ML. 2. His progression with ExO/ darthfoley. While Rels is attacking darthfoley consistently, he didn't have a problem with switching to ExO by making a case. What's the problem there? ExO was already the leading train. Rels was one of the last voters. All that vote did was secure ExO's lynch and was completely pointless. His vote switch is even weirder because Rels said that ExO was 'very likely town' because of his VT claim earlier and spent a fair bit of time explaining that. And he kept that reasoning in mind but I don't get why he felt the need to switch to ExO when he had that VT claim town-read and felt that DF was scummier. I agree with a lot of what mahrgell said about Skynx. I don't really have anything new to add there aside from my "Rels/ Skynx is probably not a thing" point. Foreman's content has been underwhelming, overly hyperbolic, his filter largely consists of check-in posts and forgettable reads, hasn't made a proper case against anyone since Page 1 (unless his weird Skynx interaction counts??) The only 'town motivation' that I can see for his filter is 'MS player who is more used to having two-week-long game days'. That's not even a 'town motivation' as much as it is a reason for why his filter isn't as terrible as it would otherwise look to me. I won't lie. I haven't properly analysed darthfoley in forever. I just get bored while reading him for some reason and wake up half an hour later and realise I'm still on Page 1. However I find these succession of posts to be hilarious: On November 05 2016 03:53 darthfoley wrote: Yes, I agree. I'm also somewhat between slightly and kind of annoyed that as soon as ExO flipped, almost everyone peaced On November 05 2016 11:46 darthfoley wrote: Thanks for your summary. Really in depth On November 05 2016 21:40 darthfoley wrote: Gonna be gone until late afternoon. Football game yo ^^^literal definition of 'peacing out' bitches. | ||
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On November 05 2016 22:44 NeverUnlucky wrote: i cant read the posts you link from liquiddota dude what concerns do you share in skynx case on me? because the only point he raises is that i leave "empty votes" and if you read the thread progression instead of just my filter, you would know in what context i voted for whom i voted which in itself denies the empty vote point i think skynx is very likely scum for the reasons you noted (which actually are the points i made on skynx at eod) plus for the fact that he should know that i am 100% not getting lynched, so making a case on me is making him look productive when he s actually not doing shit On November 05 2016 23:26 NeverUnlucky wrote: 4) Is actually a very good point. If he was so sure about ExO being town, he would have tried to form an alternative wagon, not say that he'll try to convince others during the night. I don't find 1 to be a compelling argument. mahr, during eod, you said that ExO's lynch was going to be informative Why? What information did you get out of it? On November 06 2016 00:01 NeverUnlucky wrote: I town-read DF, and don't think Skynx is mafia. I think the scum-team is Foreman and Rels. ??????? | ||
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Every single time someone's called you out for being contradictory, you just say "lol yeah I know" instead of explaining it. That is TERRIBLE play. If you're town, rectify it please instead of just acknowledging it and acting like it's not a big deal. That is fucking ridiculous, not to mention scummy as fuck. | ||
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All he ever did was to fight on battle fields where the battle was already over. Good quote. If we agree that Skynx/ Rels has a mafia among them then I think we should wagon the two of them tomorrow. Unless anyone has any objections to this plan then I think this is a good direction to kick off Day 2 with. I really doubt either of them are going to die tonight. I don't think both of them are scum because then the rationale would look something like this: Skynx: Yo, I'm going to hard-defend ExO's wagon. Rels: kk just don't do it too much or you might end up with a messy CFD and ruin the planned ML. Skynx: This is going to get me all the town credz. Rels: Nah, I'll just say that your defense is NAI and shouldn't be used to town-read you. cuz distancing or something. Just doesn't make sense for scum!Rels to scupper the main motivation for white-knighting as scum...at the expense of Skynx being in the spotlight, you know? | ||
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On November 06 2016 00:11 NeverUnlucky wrote: There is no progression, Calix. I'm just trusting my gut over logic. The points I made and agreed with are very much valid, I just don't think he is mafia atm. Same with ExO and Palmar. The points made against them were very good, but in the end, I chose to trust my gut/emotional read over my logic. Call it scummy all you want, you know it's how I play. That's not my point. You switched from "very likely mafia" to "don't think he's mafia" - you literally said that you thought he was very likely to flip red and then switched without anything happening in between. That's not "I liked the case but my gut tells me he is town" which would have been fine. | ||
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