EPTAnd I'm very thankful for your generous "you might be town". This really means a lot to me. Now I can sleep without nightmares again.
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And I'm very thankful for your generous "you might be town". This really means a lot to me. Now I can sleep without nightmares again. | ||
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On November 30 2016 22:32 Shapelog wrote: Also Onegu stole the way I catch up. Thief! How are you doing on catching up? I would like some fresh opinions here. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Onegu: -->Koshi: I actually liked your last post, and as mentioned I have serious doubts about Koshi at this point. But I don't think he is a realistic D1 target so I would love to discuss him at night. If nobody joins your Koshi lead, will you come back to voting for "lesser evils" (or lesser goods, if we talk scumwise) or will you stay principled on Koshi, effectively abstaining from the vote? | ||
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okay, tbh I'm not much interested in any defense from you. Would you mind instead sharing your own thoughts on other players? Who are your top scum reads now? How do you judge the way how the train on you formed? | ||
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On December 01 2016 01:01 emperorchampion wrote: ughghg I just don't know about you man. Your case on sl leaves me unconvinced because you are basically suspecting him for troll posts. I think maybe TT is the top lynch. Thinking about it after his sleep, his big post has sooo many inconsistencies. Can you point those out? | ||
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On December 01 2016 01:07 NeverUnlucky wrote: I feel like emp and mahr's reads on me are way too flippy floppy and weak and they surprisingly coincide with Koshi's read on me. mahr could very much be scum. Page 43, will be back in 1:30 So your scumlist now is SL, emp and me? (taking your post above into account too) Uh. Okay. | ||
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Interesting read. I guess I will look into it myself again. You say TT is your toplynch, but NU is still scummy for you? Given where the votes are now, do you want to "rescue" NU by directing the lynch at TT? Or keep it going and keep TT as your toplynch for tomorrow? | ||
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First of all: can someone link me a scum game from him? Regarding your doubts on him 1) Two of the top town reads are Rels and Koshi, both are at the time voting for HF. He has a town read on HF. I don't see any justification for this stance. Actually, I hadn't noticed this. (Or well... I honestly just lazily filter skimmed him before so I went over those details) Imho this is a very valid point. Like he does even mention their current vote/case when judging them. Though what I note is, that he has a lot of those "lazy townreads". This is making me question whether he is really a lazy mafia and makes more likely to think he is a lazy townie. Like I can see scum making 2 lazy town reads. But his townreads/leads on myself, LS, CM8 are also almost without any public doubt. On those he keeps the option to revert later, but imho scum would still try to throw more shade than he does. If someone tells me this is in his scumrange, I may rethink it, but I only know one town game from him (where he was more invested) but cant really judge his scumgame from that. And for generic scum it simply doesn't fit. 2) The read of HF it self, partially green but null/conflicted. I'm not really sure what to make of that. I get the sense that the conflict between having HF as town and Mahrgell as town is noted, but dealt with so lazily. Your 2) just reinforces that. Lazy. Combined with what I wrote above, that doesn't necessarily make him scum. 3) Stating MvM between NU and I essentially means that TT thinks that 2 mafia have been found day 1. I find this to be a very odd conclusion. Uhm... Not sure what you mean here. I already questioned this MvM idea. I simply don't see both of you being scum. But uhm... your line of thinking I can't follow. Yes, it is unlikely to find 2 scum day one. But this doesn't mean that it is impossible to feel like some fight is staged and MvM. Yes, often this idea ends up being bad, but thats the case with most D1 reads. And I recall myself feeling that there are staged fights IRL on D1, even when there were only scum total. 4) The case on my self is truly baffling. Either TT is lying when he says that "I didn't find anything townie" or has not been reading closely at all. Let me outline: + Show Spoiler + a) Two of his top towns, Rels and Koshi, are voting for HF. Koshi had 0 interest in voting HF prior to my posts #589 and #609. b) I am (to my knowledge at the time) not under consideration by: Rels, Koshi, LS, HF (?). All towns for TT. c) I am currently voting for one of his towns (LS) current target. d) The reasoning that I had for being suspicious of HF (#609) is the exact same as the reason that he is null/conflicted on HF Uh, I actually like your analysis of his other reads here. But this makes me more to question his other reads than his read on you tbh. I just recall that at this time I had a very similar feeling about you. Like I read the game from time to time during the night, and just from feeling I had a very bad feeling about you. Went to sleep and thought "tomorrow you case emp". Later I reread you and somehow this feeling had not really cemented form posts. But if I put myself in position of LazyTT, I can see where he was coming from. | ||
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NU did nothing really that convinced me to change my mind. At the same time, emp dramatically upgraded here. What I really liked about his post on TT was that he actually analyzed it in the context of the surroundings. Like who else was voting whom, how does this make sense. And at what time during the game was the post made. Most players don't even do that as town. They just filter dive and try to find stuff. Especially with posts farther back stuff like emp brought up gets easily missed. But doing that as scum? Way too much effort. There are easier ways to conjure shit from peoples filters. | ||
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Though I feel we are somehow missing a chance here. Like this easy train to lynch NU is robbing us of a lot of valuable action. When people suddenly start shifting with the Lynch coming closer, a lot of information is to be gained... | ||
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- your post on him still makes me like you more, cuz you also considered the surroundings well and this is more effort than I expect from scum (and even more effort than many townies put in) - feel good about NU lynch at this point, even though I feel this calm finish of the day is wasting chances. | ||
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@Tictock: (voting emp) : You had a full scumread on emp, half scum on NU. You think they both can be scum? Will you stay on Emp? @Rels: (voting HF): Quite a while since you posted. Still convinced on HF? He posted quite some stuff since then. If this train dies down (seems like it) what is your updated opinion on NU vs Emp. @DF: (voting HF): You mentioned you consider HF,SL or Emp as viable lynches. HF and SL posted. So you are now on Emp if it would come down to Emp vs NU? @CM8: (not voting): Can you stop playing clueless noob? Like I don't care if you are clueless or not. But you must have an opinion. Your strongest wording so far was some mistrust on NU (why? because others made good arguments on him?) and some weak stuff on Onegu. We are lynching someone soon. Can you become more concrete and post with a bit more confidence? If you were a dayvig, who would you shoot now? | ||
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On December 01 2016 03:11 darthfoley wrote: wtf who says this as town???? especially you of all people. last game if someone hinted that you might be mafia, you flipped shit. I understand you might not be motivated to play or something but that does not "normalize" this response from a player like you. like mahrgell or checkm8 would do this type of post but i can't see a world in which you just lie down and take it like this Should I feel bad now? | ||
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I stand with NU. Really, nothing has changed my mind on him. At this point the voices in my head telling me to give him a chance have simply got more and more silent. Also I have nobody standing out more than him. Yes, there are a number of candidates who I have doubts about, but when I think about "who deserves another chance" I take them over NU. Even the inactive ones. NU has been here and posted thus had his chance to convince me. But instead of really starting to drop reads he went full defense. His posts are weak, but lack "rage". When a townie is gonna die I usually expect one of either. Go full tilt about everyone else being a retard. Or remember that it does not matter if you get lynched D1, you can still win. So try your best to create an active EoD, so your teammates, although assholes who lynched you, have something to learn from. But he is just rolling over -.- | ||
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If it was nobody posting, but everyone parking his vote, I would usually be inclined to feel like it is scum who are just happy about a coming ml and let the game die out. This game is different. It is actually people not voting. Idk if they are simply not online and really set an alarm for minutes before deadline... Or if they are lurking and waiting. Chances are theres some lurkers amongst those. And this feels more like scum waiting if any non-NU train is realizing, then quickly jumping in, voting it, saving a mate, and later play the "I was not able to to fully read everything and had to gut feel vote, sorry, went wrong" | ||
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On December 01 2016 05:48 Rels wrote: Yeah I was suspecting him while catching up, then I read some good posts of him and when I was done catching up I didn't think he was scum anymore. On December 01 2016 05:48 Rels wrote: And it actually points at me being town more than scum. As scum I don't change my reads for no reason and I push weaker players WTF I just wanted to sit back and watch chess and preventing a mafia burnout. but what is that? Why on earth this urge to point out his own previous clearly makes him town. o.O Gosh, this feels almost too bad to be a scumslip for me. But seriously. WTF? | ||
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5 minutes ago I was sure I would not change my vote. This is gone. There may be nothing. But at least I'm open for more opinions on Rels and can see myself voting for him if I find more stuff... | ||
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You thought about what? I can't follow. You made your post about me, and then thought about it, and suddenly had this feeling "uhhhh... my thoughts are clearly towny, I should tell the world so they see this too" | ||
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Summary is basically: - His drop of suspicion on me felt weird. - his weird progression of "this is good" -"is it?" - "no it isnt" is very townish Uhm... yeah. I don't know, I suddenly feel like I would need more time to properly analyze his "cases" and points though. From memory I always felt like they were entirely in the realm of a townish thinking but many people have casted doubt on him. What is everyone elses thought on Rels? | ||
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