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On November 30 2016 08:16 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 07:57 Koshi wrote:
This NU guy is so disconnected from the thread. Quite hilarious. Disconnected from the thread, no. Disconnected from your 1 on 1 with Rels, yes. There is no comment I can make or think of making in relation to your conversation and would much rather dive filters and understand others.
Isn't the first time bro. At the start of the game as well.
Town!NU would just post more (funny) shizzle and put himself in the conversations way more. Town!NU would dominate the conversation because he talks what comes to him and then others join in with him.
Now you are always outside the conversations for some reason.
If somebody can pinpoint me to a game in which you play like this, show me, otherwise this is a clear different meta than I am used to from you.
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Okay, I'm back! Just skimmed over everything. Anyone has something he wants to point me at? Otherwise I will probably go with another list post and chiming in my opinion on the current cases.
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On November 30 2016 11:51 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 11:41 darthfoley wrote:On November 30 2016 11:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Also kinda disliking the HF wagon that formed rather quickly but then again the last time I said about a wagon on HF forming quickly was when HF was scum so (shrugs). I mean his filter is basically calling mahrgell shit, not posting about anyone else, then saying he doesn't feel like doing shit. That's someone you prefer to keep around? He is considered one of the best players regardless of his alignment to play. My biggest issue again is how quickly the wagon formed. Most of the time when a wagon forms fast that person is likely town or a weak scum player and hf isn't considered a weak scum player normally.
second person who says this but I am pretty sure it is only Rels and I who voted him. And I pasted my voted after Rels to just give the wagon some more prominence.
It's all good.
HF is maybe not mafia but it is not because the wagon formed on him too quickly. Please disregard that idea.
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On November 30 2016 12:52 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote:
I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros)
And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes)
And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3
Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. This post is not natural to me. 1) No mention of c8 when he actually makes quoted post (2). After quoted post (1) comes out, NU goes to reference it. 2) Makes me think NU was filtering c8 looking for something that looks bad to push him on it. Thoughts?
I agree. It is another disconnect play by NU.
So it is true that NU was in the thread while the quotes happened and only a lot later NU mentions them together? Because I didn't check that.
I also didn't like how he presented the quotes. I said something about that already.
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On November 30 2016 16:08 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 16:02 sicklucker wrote:
pretty sure I cant be scum since everyone whos likely scum thinks im scum.
Darthfoley
mahgr
never
maybe emp I'm not maf, you're probably not either. Not understanding the high green reads on darth atm, so we agree on that.
I can understand them. But NU and Rels both place him too high. It's ok atm still. Doesn't matter. He isn't the d1 lynch.
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On November 30 2016 17:28 mahrgell wrote:
Okay, I'm back! Just skimmed over everything. Anyone has something he wants to point me at? Otherwise I will probably go with another list post and chiming in my opinion on the current cases.
Don't do a listpost again. Just try to find something interesting. Or talk about something that you think is possible and new information.
Maybe a post that comes more likely from town than mafia? Or the other way around even!
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Let's split it up this time:
On the HF case:
HF is on my large "Didn't do shit for town" pile. I don't think it can be argued against him, that he went after me, and I already acknowledged that his point about me actually putting out questions to my townreads instead of my scumreads was pretty valid back then. So while I don't agree on his tone on a personal level, his ingame intentions I can respect there. But what drags him down in my mind is his lack of ANY other content. Okay, yesterdy he then brought the reasoning that hes at work, and thus ca only focus on me. But that was quite some time ago. Since then all we got are wonderful one liners like "don't lynch" "can't be assed" "maybe I try". I know people sometimes townread or scumread based on lack of defense, but thats pretty WIFOM to me. Really, the missing part is not the defense here, but the content on anyone but me.
And as we are on the "Didn't do shit for town" pile, I may just add SL:
Uhm... Was he notified the game already started? Is he playing? All he does is random one liners, I can see no thought put in besides "never played with those guys, must be scum". If I compare him to HF, SL is a tad more scummy than HF. Not sure why, but SLs activity feels more faked. Like every post from him feels like he is playing the "I dont care about the game and I want you all to know it" card.
Continueing on that pile, lets have CM8
Yeah, I didn't see anything good from him either. But on this pile he is probably the one least deserving a day1 lynch as I'm willing to give him time to contribute.
Also here on the pile, although trying to move onto better lands, is TT
I didn't like his return, again explaining why he really didn't play the game. His posts afterwards were again not contributing much in adding his own opinion. I really liked his list post though, it seemed genuine. Maybe because I love list posts? No but seriously, I could understand how he came to those conclusions... This does not really clear him completely for me, but there are better targets, thats for sure.
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I mean are there even any cases for Margaret to chime in on? I don't think there are at all.
Onegu has done nothing, already been commented on in his list post.
I've done a mediocre amount, nothing has changed.
He town read nu afaik?
List post excessive
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On November 30 2016 17:46 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 17:28 mahrgell wrote:
Okay, I'm back! Just skimmed over everything. Anyone has something he wants to point me at? Otherwise I will probably go with another list post and chiming in my opinion on the current cases. Don't do a listpost again. Just try to find something interesting. Or talk about something that you think is possible and new information. Maybe a post that comes more likely from town than mafia? Or the other way around even!
Fuck, should F5 thread before posting... But yes, in the end I will have everything sorted into scum->town.
I feel it is just difficult to explain my ordering without doing lists before 
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Day 1 Vote Count![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UVQbk5z.gif)
- emperorchampion (1) -
Onegu, Tictock
- LightningStrike (0) -
Onegu
- Koshi (1) - Onegu
- Ticktock (0) -
Koshi
- Holyflare(3) - Rels, Koshi, darthfoley
- sicklucker(1) - NeverUnlucky
- NeverUnlucky(2) - emperorchampion, sicklucker
Not voting (5): Holyflare, Shapelog, LightningStrike, Checkm8, mahrgell
Remember, voting is mandatory.
Day 1 will end in at Wednesday, Nov 30 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). Currently, Holyflare is slated to be lynched.
Only votes in the voting thread and with the correct format will be counted.
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Oh, I forgot Onegu in the "didn't do shit" list.
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Townies for me are currently
Rels, shlog, LS, DF.
In no peticular order. With all those I feel like they are on the right track. When they ask a question I can somehow see why a townie would like to ask that question what the potential answers could bring to the game. I ca understannd where their judgement comes from.
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No koshi? He's kind of sidelined a bit imo.
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No Koshi. Will come to the remaining 3 as quick as I can type 
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Ok so before I reread anything and just woke up.
Mafia to town
13. NeverUnlucky
2. Holyflare
4. Onegu
12. Tictock
11. sicklucker
3. Shapelog
6. darthfoley
8. Checkm8
9. mahrgell
10. emperorchampion
1. Rels
5. LightningStrike
This list is created knowing that I really think NU is off his game. I know out of experience how hard it is to play mafia when you have a super conversational, super "post-literally-everything-what-pops-in-your-brain" type of town playstyle.
A few things that pop out on NU:
1) Early game, the first pages, he was here but wasn't posting every other post, which already was odd to me.
2) Early game, a bit later, I made a comment I was sure he would be able to instant reply to if he was carefree town. But he didn't at all. Weird. (The same thing happened many times already, sometimes delayed though, if you poke a bear, the bear answers instantly, not after 50 minutes.) (I think he is mafia and knows he can't play making a post every other second so he tries to post every 10-30 minutes instead.)
3) Very small content (1-2 lines max) posts on LS, EC and TT early game. But with a very empty feeling. Only enforces the idea that he is watching the thread, but then only posts every 10-20 minutes just because he is mafia, and it isn't doing him favors.
4) He has an incredible hard time absorbing information. I can tell him a million times LS is not mafia, but he can't absorb it, and he also refuses to discuss it. Instead he comes with another story of "LS play is weirdish here"
5) Have you seen 4-5 quick posts back and forth from him with anybody? I have seen him do 40-50 with Calix before.
6) Disconnected with the thread. I already explained this. town!NU talks in the thread and people join him and his topic for conversation. In this game NU has issues joining conversations. Reason is most likely that he can't play "post-literally-everything-what-pops-in-your-brain" as mafia.
Hmm. Yeah that will do for now. There is more ofc. Like the quotes he posted without information. It really felt like he didn't know what to do with it and was posting them so somebody else would reply and then he would reply reactively and maybe create something that looks like being involved. I just expect town!NU to have an idea in his head why these 2 quotes are not cool. Why they make somebody mafia. And entire theory in his head from looking at those 2 quotes for 1 second. Instead he has nothing. And when I challenge these quotes and say they are not a real contradiction and they can come from a town in a different situation. HE DOES NOT REPLY TO THAT. Instead he replies to another question I asked him in another post. The easier answer.
oh well. I can keep going about this guy.
##unvote
##vote NU
If NU is not mafia. He flips green. I think my list looks like this atm:
2. Holyflare
3. Shapelog
11. sicklucker
4. Onegu
12. Tictock
10. emperorchampion
Nothing much changes but I have to admit I have a lot riding on the fact 3-4 people (Shape, EC, mahrgell and maybe ch8) somewhere after 10 hours in the thread all said the same thing about NU without it really being connected to each other. It felt like it were all townies seeing the same thing but not being to really nail it, also not bussing or trying to discredit a townie as mafia. But if NU is town, maybe I need to revisit it anyway. Shape falling off is very meh, that guy posts carefree as mafia or town, doesn't matter, but I feel as town he can has eventually a ton of really townie moments, while as mafia he just has a few townie moments.
Rereading now after doing some work.
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On November 30 2016 13:11 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 13:04 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 13:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 13:01 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 12:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 12:52 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote:
I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros)
And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes)
And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3
Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. This post is not natural to me. 1) No mention of c8 when he actually makes quoted post (2). After quoted post (1) comes out, NU goes to reference it. 2) Makes me think NU was filtering c8 looking for something that looks bad to push him on it. Thoughts? I don't quite understand 1) :3 But I did not filter checkm8 when I did that post. The first quote was directly directed to me, so it was fresh in my mind, and the second one was made while I was online, so I made the connection. On November 30 2016 12:53 emperorchampion wrote:
@NU, to answer a previous question: started thinking you were looking pretty bad, went to thinking you were OK and should maybe be left alone, now back to looking pretty bad. Yeh, I figured that, I was asking why that is. Well at the moment I don't really understand where in the game you're at. So where are you at? I'm up to date, I was thinking of filtering SL before heading to bed (in 15-20 minutes). Who is town for you, and who is mafia for you? Town: Koshi, DF CM8, Rels, mahr, Onegu*** Mafia: SL tbh you asking me this makes me doubt that you are a mafia. You seem to want to try to understand me.
good back and forth with EC.
But as you can see. EC is the aggressor. NU is the defender.
EC is town bois. NU is mafia!Koshi not having a good time.
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I like TT his listpost, but I dislike the EC/NU is mafia on mafia thing. That completely breaks it.
And then he votes EC over NU.
Completely wrong.
That is why he is on spot 4 in the list.
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I also don't understand what happened with HF.
Somewhere he makes a post which says "I am going to let Koshi control this thread and let his scumreads attack me for not doing a lot."
Which is a VERY STRONG VOTE of confidence, because it means he agrees with my townreads and mafia reads. But since then he has been undermining me with little dumb posts while I just keep going strong and my mafia reads are still being underwhelming / plain mafia.
Very odd this is.
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So there are 3 people not on my "didnt do shit" or "townies" list... lets go with the direct duel.
Emp: I agree with TT on him. I simply can't understand his thought progress. He went from NU scum->NU town->NU scum in a way I simply can't follow. #577 he suddenly called NU town... Only 10 posts later he again doubted NU. To me it always felt like he was testing the waters how others feel about NU, and as soon as others were questioning NU, he struck again. The point is not that I can not see the validity of his arguments against NU, but the progress puzzles me and rings bells.
Also his defense when he was mildly pressured consisted mostly out of looking for shittier players than himself.
One thing has to be said though: I'm certain of one thing: NU vs emp is NOT MvM. I can't see any scum do this fishing for followers approach in MvM. So imho if one flips red, this clears the other one in my mind.
Brings me to NU: He tries his best to make me (and seemingly everyone else) not understand him. Now this imho fits what I had in mind from him... so if we ignore this... I'm still missing something from him. The old NU loved to lock onto something, chase it. This NU completely lacks this. He is all over the place. He lacks targeted offense. I don't agree with Koshi on NU being the typical "type everything that comes into your mind" player. To me he was more like the "I have a thought and now I make everything fit my view" player. But even from that, this does not fit to what he is showing here. Basically the only excuse I have in my mind is that he wanted to have a new meta, after being called out for the unpleasentness of his previous one, and that I should give him time to to establish that.
Conclusion:
Somehow they are both my topscum, but I'm 95% sure not both are scum. And I'm not sure how to proceed.
So honest question: Actually, under the assumption that there MUST be a townie between those 2, is it still correct to just lynch one? like IRL i would actually let both survive, as there must be 2 scum among the remaining players and chase for those. And then reevaluate this duel later. But IRL the numbers are very different from forum mafia with way less mislynches allowed.
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