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On December 09 2016 00:17 Holyflare wrote:
That's what I'm having a problem with and why I'm bouncing over everything.
You're absolutely not supposed to post in silence periods so I thought you pretty much gave up and slipped and so I went all over you.
Darth is????? Hasn't played the game since day 2 and now he's come back after voting with me on your slip (thus agreeing) to now voting me. I don't even know if I should dumb tell him now for not knowing.
Emperor is scummy but it really gives me a hold up his reaction. You won't get it because it seemed honest and reactionary rather than hurr durr I'm mafia faking. And onegu has so much going for him.
I agree with your comments regarding DFs late play. But as I said earlier, this never elevated him to be more scummish than either Emp, who is my clear #1 here and Onegu, with whom I still don't see any reason to townread him for.
DF tries his absolute best to climb the list, I will admit that...
But I cant figure out how you think Emps day so far has been townish.
He really jumped the first train he saw, HOORAY. Then later, when voice of reason TT appeared, he suddenly said he had to reevaluate...
And now he is completely MIA, which makes perfect sense while we are battling it out amongst each other. If there ever was something like a silent town circle, this is certainly gone. And then he goes for easy targets when he comes back.(prediction)
Like I get that you are calling "gut feeling read" on his initial reaction.
But no, overall this day does absolutely not look like a towny trying to solve the game but like scum waiting it out and enjoying the town mauling each other.
Unless he tells me he is hardtowning 2 other players here, so he wants to lynch me+X anyway and doesnt care about order. But this is nothing he ever hinted... In fact his head is completely hidden from the thread, because he was all occupied in his 1v1 with TT.
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On December 09 2016 00:51 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 23:11 mahrgell wrote:On December 08 2016 21:12 Onegu wrote:
I see the slip... The slip makes sense to me. Like why joke there? Let me look at the time stamps.
Also Ugg no no lynch. That kinda needs to be in the OP as that is a normal thing for town to do in mylo.... As without it we arent really in mylo. We are in lylo. we are neither in mylo nor lylo. Good morning and welcome to the game. And is your "Why joke there" your argument for being a scumtell or for being a towntell? Can't figure... And to answer it: Because the game got insanely boring and railroadish and there was nothing to do, it felt. At least this isn't the case anymore, so maybe I should thank myself for making stuff interesting again. Who cares if things were boring... That isnt a excuse... I agree it looks like you knew TT would still be alive. My first reaction is if the mods didnt make the post right away was because they were finishing up the game over post as those take longer than normal day posts to make... Did you know the mods posted when they did or did you post that before you knew the mods posted their post?
As said earlier: I did not see the modpost when I posted first.
Also I actually did not expect it. Because again: The modpost was delayed by 30 minutes already! I simply didn't expect the mods completely forgetting the silence period... but then making a EoN post exactly at time.
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On December 09 2016 00:47 Onegu wrote:
My plan here kinda got shot when there was a announcement that no lynching was not allowed...
My plan was to sheep HF today. Then no lynch tomorrow if we didnt lynch scum. Get down to 2v1 and make my decision then. If HF was alive at that point I was most likely going to lynch him because somehow he was still alive during 2v1 lylo. I can understand him still being alive here as scum knew there was a JK and then they had to kill the JK once they knew who he was. And if the game isnt over today then they will kill TT as he is confirmed town so HF will still be alive tomorrow. So the fact we cant no lynch puts a wrench in that plan...
This announcement happened during the night...
So again, either you are not reading the game at all or you perfectly knew that "sheep HF on I dont care who" would have serious issues. Because it leaves you with one shot at a 4 player lylo.
Anyway... given that this plan is gone... what is your new plan here?
With seemingly everyone suddenly trying his best to look scummy... How will you weed through HF, DF, Emp, Mahrgell with only 2 lynches?
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What was your "obvious lynch order" earlier?
And if you are just nervous about HF and feel Emp is super scummy... Why not kill Emp? Like it feels weird you want to make the "difficult maybe" kill first... And then somehow leave Emp for later...
If Emp is not scum, and he is not really trying to give us any reasons to believe that, then you can waffle about HF, Onegu and me for 72 hours...
If Emp is scum, the game ends...
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oh PS:
And given the state of game we are in, with a 3v3 vote scenario being a possibility... Announcing votes here and not following up is... strange.
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On December 09 2016 02:29 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 02:19 Holyflare wrote:
No you don't, confirmed tt is a massive liability.
Also please darth do explain how you go from sheeping me on a slip from mahrgell to wanting to vote me above absolutely everyone. I'm all ears. Because I slept on it and realized it wasn't enough for me to throw my vote on it. @mahrgell Because we can lynch HF now and I don't see a scenario in which we have the balls to lynch him in a final 4 Mylol. Sure if emp is scum then we win. If he's not then it's a final four between me you HF and Onegu and I'm quite nervous about the two of us being the two lynch candidates tomorrow, one of us voting on the other because each of us knows that we are individually town so we save our skin, then lose to scum!HF who's bullied us into doing so
What is this fucking balls argument? Seriously?
Sorry, but I indeed try to lynch who I believe is scum. This is not HF right now. So yes... maybe your logic is "when Emp is gone and [assuming] TT dies at night" there are 2 people less who vote for HF, because seemingly there is brolove between Onegu and HF and this Mahrgell dude seems unable to vote for HF.
But well... then you better lobby to TT and Emp hard to get your will now. Until Emp shows up and brings me something convincing, and at this point im not sure what this could be, I will stick with him. And if things stay as they are, I will vote HF only if I'm the alternative target.
Well.. given you have only fakevoted I guess I'm still the only train here...
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@DF then you better try voting again... Because your latest HF vote submission in the vote thread was illegal. (no unvote)
And yes, at this point I indeed consider a 3v3 vote distribution a possibility. And then suddenly it comes down to the time when people got their vote. And I'm really not in the mood for such shenannies.
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I like your case on HF mostly for emotional reasons, because ruling out the possibility of HF running away with a scum victory appeals to me very much.
But I explained over and over again, why I think that the N2 play does not make sense for scum!HF, because you end with an additional day and a 2v1 lylo instead of 3v1 lylo. So regardless of HF's ego issues, I think it wouldn't have been a valid scum play there. Unless you tell me they all the time banked on HF getting this JK, and then him suddenly carrying the game. But imho the chance for a JK on SL was way higher than a JK on HF there.
So in short: the play makes sense, when you know HF gets the JK. But when SL gets JK'd it simply sucks, especially as it doesn't help HF at all to carry late and SL will probably still get lynched sooner or later and not make it to lylo.
And yes, I think HF would have enough discipline to carry the game home given the position he was in after D2. He didn't need all the shit we are having here right now.
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I think Emps return is way more interesting than TTs...
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On December 09 2016 07:04 Tictock wrote:
Ok I got a minute so couple of things.
Gell, why do you call your post at start of day a joke?
I could see you make that post as Town, but I didn't respond to HF last night as I wanted to see your response. Calling it a joke feels weird to me and doesn't match what I would expect a town to be thinking when he makes those posts.
I called it a joke, because it was meant as one... Do you want me to make up some weird story how I made this post?
And I think I explained enough what my thinking was at that time. You want me to repeat it again?
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On December 09 2016 06:57 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 18:34 mahrgell wrote:
Good morning...
Went to bed feeling good.
Woke up, read thread.
Feeling great now.
There is not even a reason to invite shenannies anymore...
so...
##vote sicklucker
PS: If there is any interesting discussion left for me, it is:
If there is a scum between DF and Onegu, who is it? But this questions is kinda far away, I don't think it has to be asked, and if it is, I have a clear opinion on it.
Way ahead of your time m-god. Do you remember what you were thinking here? It's pretty non-obvious from your filter. I dunno reading Mahr's filter, he doesn't look like mafia to me. The more I think about it, the less sure I am of darth. Onegu still OK with atm.
Okay, I guess we go a bit back here:
- at start of the day I considered both options of SL being VT and Scum, and TT was my topscum (see EoN2)
- when suddenly everyone jumped him, I was very worried, because if he was VT and died there, the game was suddenly simply over. There would be 2 lynches left to lynch 2 scum out of 6 players, Rels would not have a conclusive check before he dies (and he is JK, but the lack of CC made this rather likely), and pretty much everyone was a potential scum.
- even more worrying though was that nobody even considered this option. Everyone was very determined on lynching SL, which to me lead to either the option that town was fucking asleep or scum was doing really damn good work here
- I even detailed how SLs play made sense so far
- SL never showed up (but a townSL could have now started posting seriously))
- then SL showed up, he dropped his pure trolly style, but even made longer serious posts. Sadly they were completely awful. His reads were randomized, his TMI explanation was terrible, and the most striking part was him being insistant on this "I tried to post at EoN" which was like... NO! I knew exactly that there were at best 20 secs between Rels claim and deadline.
- I considered this a scumclaim. His actions did not at all matched the town!SL I had in mind. They perfectly matched the scum!SL who had done this shit all D1-D2 with only causing confusion and random posts...
- with SL being scum, suddenly the game was rather easy:
--- HF was a townlock for me for reasons I repeated enough today
--- Rels was almost certainly the JK, and had clearly stated that for him it was between TT and you in the next night. From all I have seen from Rels(we played together in the newbiegame and I had a superheated discussion early D3) I did not consider him to be a trickster. He does what he says. He does not say stuff to bait people...
--- You were kinda Neut
--- TT was still my topscum (besides SL, obv)
--- Onegu was a trouble some wildcard
--- DF I had an extremely good impression
So the game was a railroad from here:
lynch SL, check Emp/TT, lynch the other if scum not found, if game is still not end, there is a decision between DF and Onegu. I was pretty set on Onegu here, but as I saw some potential on WIFOM plays night4, if it comes to that, I did not want to share this already made decision.
There are some sidelines with people trying to fake N3 by shooting at Rels target... But those all seemed to not work at all, even if Rels target is lynched, the game becomes only worse for scum.
With this in mind, there was one way out for scum... WIFOM. The game was fucking over. But all scum could do was setting up WIFOMs aka "scum would have surrendered if this was true" or "this game is too easy, cant be that"
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Next morning, I woke up, checked the thread... And I saw exactly what I had expected. TT and you were suddenly in some weird 1on1. This made absolutely no sense at this point. And especially your insistence on 40% chance of SL being town made no sense for all kinds of reasons I had detailed earlier. So with this convo you pretty much caught up in scummyness with TT, but luckily I wouldn't have to pick between you two.
Rels was still on track on checking between you two, and I felt HF was exactly on the same boat. So there was this silent town circle thing.
All that was needed now was to STFU. Not talking to cut down any potential for WIFOM plays. Let exactly those players who were the suspects here initiate it.
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I guess I stop here or do you want a continuation?
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On December 09 2016 02:21 mahrgell wrote:
What was your "obvious lynch order" earlier?
And if you are just nervous about HF and feel Emp is super scummy... Why not kill Emp? Like it feels weird you want to make the "difficult maybe" kill first... And then somehow leave Emp for later...
If Emp is not scum, and he is not really trying to give us any reasons to believe that, then you can waffle about HF, Onegu and me for 72 hours...
If Emp is scum, the game ends...
@DF
I ust noticed, you ignored this question. Care to answer it?
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On December 09 2016 02:08 darthfoley wrote:
hi i'm back
so this characterization of my play since D1 is not true imo. D2 I cased Shape pretty hard and was one of the driving forces behind the lynch. Unfortunately, I got that wrong.
Regarding D3, I had made my opinion of SL very clear before he fake claimed JK. I even wanted to lynch him back as early as D1. Like everyone, I was a little confused initially with Rels's cc at night but I made my mind up and voted SL and had no reservations about it.
It's not my fault there hasn't been much to talk about until today. The lynch order in my mind from D2 until now has been kind of obvious. I guess i've been a bit lazy outside of the lynches but there's no real point imo in concocting all these scenarios of hypotheticals contingent on X being Y and Z being Q. I think about the motivation of plays, but not specific players if that makes sense. Better to see what the flip is any analyze from there.
As of now I think Onegu is probably town because of his interpretation of the long no-post phase, which I hadn't thought of but makes a lot of sense from town POV. Mahrgell meh his wall of texts and hedging makes me more nervous than his supposed slip but I guess I have to lean him town because of the other two. I'm super paranoid about HF although I need to rethink my case considering JKs can spam JK on someone multiple nights in a row. Can't remember the last time Emp said something I thought was towny.
As of now I think the order should be HF --> emp or vice versa. I want confirmed!TT to come back pls
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Oh... thought you were talking about lynch order for the rest of the game...
Like in what order to cut down the remaining players until all scum have dropped ^.^
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On December 10 2016 01:22 emperorchampion wrote:
Cooling down a bit. HF I don't even know 1) why you're so hostile, and 2) why you're scum reading me, since your last reasons is literally because I was afk. Like actually no one in this thread had given legitimate reasons, and it's really pissing me off since I can't do anything about it.
Anyways, I'm going to filter darth
Repeating this again and again doesn't make it more true...
You are simply ignoring it.
But two make it short:
Your D3 play after SLs weird presence looked completely weird. Especially you insisting that SL may be town. Regardless of how you came to that idea after all the shit SL posted, if you believed there to be such a high chance of him being town I would have absolutely expected a rampage there by you to wake town up and consider it again instead of simply accepting his demise. Given that I had the same though for half the day... I know how it feels to be in that spot.
And if you really felt that TT was more likely scum than SL, well... the way you 2 fought there was in a way entertaining, but certainly not suited to change anyone to come from SL over to TT.
And if you made this comment, but didn't believe it (why?) again your 1on1 with TT was completely strange. if SL was scum, all that was there to do was to find 3 targets out of the remaining players... And given that TT was amongst the top priorities for almost everyone, investigating him like this felt... strange.
And it continued later too... you were entirely focussed on TT, and on not getting JK'ed yourself at night. Why? You never presented a 3 scum list... Again I simply can not follow your thinking there. I mean you were even beating on TT after he was already clearly called out the JK target...
And unlike HF I still dont feel your reaction when you jumped my wagon was very towny. It wasn't a "oh lol, what a slip" but you simply jumped the first train you saw... At least how it felt to me... You explaining why I should scumread HF for it, when at the same time detailing why this makes no sense for scum!HF didn't help either.
And now you vote me, flail against HF and then say you wanna investigate DF??? Why not investigate HF then?
Like right now I really see no factual reasons why I wouldn't want to lynch you. Pretty much everyone you said since midst of D3 gives me very strong scum feelings.
The only thing making me doubt right now is my last newbiegame, where you remind me of Exo... He also played completely strange, got cased by everyone, and then ignored all cases against him and went flailing against absolutely everybody he could get (and was town)... But not sure this is a comparison you want me to make...
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On December 10 2016 02:02 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 03:07 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh I don't think emp is ever mafia with analysis/thinking like that. I liked Marzipan's rant/koshi is null post. I'm good, I think I like LS simply by virtue of him being very forward about his past games.
I forget who else to talk about. More in a bit. What was this post I was referring to?
What made you reread your own filter?
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"to make it short"
GOSH... I will pay for "how to make concise posts" lessons after this game ^.^
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I'm really confused by Emp here...
Lists the entire game in his post... I thought in a poe the focus was on eliminating some players...
This weird Onegu thing... How would you, assuming you were left alive, figure him out? What if Onegu simply continues what he has been doing all game??? Namely doing absolutely nothing game related?
I can not follow your head here 
And still, I somehow get Exo-vibes here -.- Brain or Heart? What to follow?
I will have to buy a xmas tree before shop close.... Will be back a bit before deadline...(like 1-2h before) Would welcome if the the discussion here is kept up.
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Oh, and now finally a defense...
Will read once back.
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I'm back... trying to read up...
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