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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 07 2016 13:18 GMT
#2441
Argue about what....?

This is THE night to talk about things because we have to figure out who to rb.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 07 2016 13:30 GMT
#2442
I wanted to wait a little bit more but since we're discussing it I'll go ahead and say it. Since I'm in theater tonight I can't post a last second message with my check. )= If that wasn't the case I would have waited until the last second in case Onegu is scum and concedes.
I will target TT because:
- there is a very possibility he's scum
- he's one of the strongest player on this website, especially lategame. From the top of my head I remember several games where he just analyzed it and solved it super easily. The most impressive example being the last PYP game
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
December 07 2016 13:33 GMT
#2443
On December 07 2016 22:18 Holyflare wrote:
Argue about what....?

This is THE night to talk about things because we have to figure out who to rb.


What is the difference between JKing someone and lynching him at this point? Imho they are in effect the same. Just that they can't talk after lynching ^.^ (thats actually a reason to not JK onegu but lynch him... he isn't talking anyway^^)

Problem I see is that we have 3 shots left. Until few minutes I was completely happy about my 3 target list. If this is now a 4 target list things become damn messy again. So no, we can not simply lynch Onegu later, because this means someone else survives...

Actually I'm more inclined to say "JK the most likely scum" The best way this game can end is soon. One JK surviving the night, or a lynch on the next day on the correct target. This should be the goal.
The moment we enter a lylo, everything is up in the air... And when we consider DF as potential scum... Scum has a real chance again.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 07 2016 13:35 GMT
#2444
On December 07 2016 22:16 Holyflare wrote:
Darth is also the one that tried to divert the day 1 lynch, he hasn't done much for the past few cycles but make sheep posts.

Maybe I'm tinfoiling a bit but the jk rb is all we have left to mega confirm someone and lynching onegu is far easier if we need to do that.



Where is all this paranoia about Darth coming from?

SL tried to push Darth fairly hard D2, and based on SL's D1 vote I find it far more likely that scum bussed NU D1 than tried to blatantly move the lynch off NU.

Like remember when Darth tried to get a wagon going on me D1 and Emp was all like "Sure I made a case on TT but I like my vote where it is".

Emp is mafia.
I can take that responsibility.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 07 2016 13:38 GMT
#2445
I don't even really care.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 07 2016 13:45 GMT
#2446
SL tried to push Darth fairly hard D2, and based on SL's D1 vote I find it far more likely that scum bussed NU D1 than tried to blatantly move the lynch off NU.


Is why I said yesterday that SL flipping red nearly confirms Darth in my mind.

HF is making me a bit paranoid throwing out a bunch of WIFOM and then saying we need to figure shit out tonight.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 07 2016 14:05 GMT
#2447
Last thing before I go fight my way through Snow traffic.

On December 07 2016 22:30 Rels wrote:
I wanted to wait a little bit more but since we're discussing it I'll go ahead and say it. Since I'm in theater tonight I can't post a last second message with my check. )= If that wasn't the case I would have waited until the last second in case Onegu is scum and concedes.
I will target TT because:
- there is a very possibility he's scum
- he's one of the strongest player on this website, especially lategame. From the top of my head I remember several games where he just analyzed it and solved it super easily. The most impressive example being the last PYP game


While I respect both the fear that I could still be scum and the respect that I'm one of the stronger town players endgame. I know kinda preffered the JK on Onegu since then I don't have to read him based on 1 post every 12 hours.

Obviously I am biased though, so do as you please Rels.
I can take that responsibility.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 07 2016 14:07 GMT
#2448
On December 07 2016 22:45 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
SL tried to push Darth fairly hard D2, and based on SL's D1 vote I find it far more likely that scum bussed NU D1 than tried to blatantly move the lynch off NU.


Is why I said yesterday that SL flipping red nearly confirms Darth in my mind.

HF is making me a bit paranoid throwing out a bunch of WIFOM and then saying we need to figure shit out tonight.


Why does it matter who sl pushed? Mafia's tactic was to clearly bus their team mates, you're literally saying that Mafia's strategy was to bus NU but now you're saying sl couldn't have bussed df and it confirms him?

It wasn't even a push.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
December 07 2016 14:08 GMT
#2449
On December 07 2016 23:05 Tictock wrote:
Last thing before I go fight my way through Snow traffic.

Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 22:30 Rels wrote:
I wanted to wait a little bit more but since we're discussing it I'll go ahead and say it. Since I'm in theater tonight I can't post a last second message with my check. )= If that wasn't the case I would have waited until the last second in case Onegu is scum and concedes.
I will target TT because:
- there is a very possibility he's scum
- he's one of the strongest player on this website, especially lategame. From the top of my head I remember several games where he just analyzed it and solved it super easily. The most impressive example being the last PYP game


While I respect both the fear that I could still be scum and the respect that I'm one of the stronger town players endgame. I know kinda preffered the JK on Onegu since then I don't have to read him based on 1 post every 12 hours.

Obviously I am biased though, so do as you please Rels.


Before you offered yourself to be lynched day4... Where did the self sacrifice go?
Shouldn't you prefer "check TT, lynch Onegu" over "check Onegu, lynch TT"? In that case you could lobby yourself for the lynch on D5 on Emp. (always assuming the game goes that far) Why you wanna let Onegu do that in your stead?
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 07 2016 14:13 GMT
#2450
On December 07 2016 23:07 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 22:45 Tictock wrote:
SL tried to push Darth fairly hard D2, and based on SL's D1 vote I find it far more likely that scum bussed NU D1 than tried to blatantly move the lynch off NU.


Is why I said yesterday that SL flipping red nearly confirms Darth in my mind.

HF is making me a bit paranoid throwing out a bunch of WIFOM and then saying we need to figure shit out tonight.


Why does it matter who sl pushed? Mafia's tactic was to clearly bus their team mates, you're literally saying that Mafia's strategy was to bus NU but now you're saying sl couldn't have bussed df and it confirms him?

It wasn't even a push.


I'm saying it looked like he was legit wanting to get Darth lynched.

Also the other reasons why I don't think Darth is mafia.
I can take that responsibility.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 07 2016 14:14 GMT
#2451
I'm pretty tinfoil
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 07 2016 14:17 GMT
#2452
On December 07 2016 23:08 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 23:05 Tictock wrote:
Last thing before I go fight my way through Snow traffic.

On December 07 2016 22:30 Rels wrote:
I wanted to wait a little bit more but since we're discussing it I'll go ahead and say it. Since I'm in theater tonight I can't post a last second message with my check. )= If that wasn't the case I would have waited until the last second in case Onegu is scum and concedes.
I will target TT because:
- there is a very possibility he's scum
- he's one of the strongest player on this website, especially lategame. From the top of my head I remember several games where he just analyzed it and solved it super easily. The most impressive example being the last PYP game


While I respect both the fear that I could still be scum and the respect that I'm one of the stronger town players endgame. I know kinda preffered the JK on Onegu since then I don't have to read him based on 1 post every 12 hours.

Obviously I am biased though, so do as you please Rels.


Before you offered yourself to be lynched day4... Where did the self sacrifice go?
Shouldn't you prefer "check TT, lynch Onegu" over "check Onegu, lynch TT"? In that case you could lobby yourself for the lynch on D5 on Emp. (always assuming the game goes that far) Why you wanna let Onegu do that in your stead?


It's the same thing, but I'm already confirmed Town to myself. I'd rather get a confirm on Onegu and be lynched fighting for my reads.
I can take that responsibility.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 07 2016 14:35 GMT
#2453
On December 07 2016 23:05 Tictock wrote:
Last thing before I go fight my way through Snow traffic.

Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 22:30 Rels wrote:
I wanted to wait a little bit more but since we're discussing it I'll go ahead and say it. Since I'm in theater tonight I can't post a last second message with my check. )= If that wasn't the case I would have waited until the last second in case Onegu is scum and concedes.
I will target TT because:
- there is a very possibility he's scum
- he's one of the strongest player on this website, especially lategame. From the top of my head I remember several games where he just analyzed it and solved it super easily. The most impressive example being the last PYP game


While I respect both the fear that I could still be scum and the respect that I'm one of the stronger town players endgame. I know kinda preffered the JK on Onegu since then I don't have to read him based on 1 post every 12 hours.

Obviously I am biased though, so do as you please Rels.

I'm not gonna change. The thing that cemented that decision was that I find weird that you're not pushing for EC being jailkept. He is your 100% main scum, if I don't target him you're gonna waste tomorrow trying to lynch him; that doesn't make sense IMO. You should be happier with a EC JK than an Onegu JK.
And if you're town I trust you to lead town. (=
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
December 07 2016 14:36 GMT
#2454
On December 07 2016 23:35 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 23:05 Tictock wrote:
Last thing before I go fight my way through Snow traffic.

On December 07 2016 22:30 Rels wrote:
I wanted to wait a little bit more but since we're discussing it I'll go ahead and say it. Since I'm in theater tonight I can't post a last second message with my check. )= If that wasn't the case I would have waited until the last second in case Onegu is scum and concedes.
I will target TT because:
- there is a very possibility he's scum
- he's one of the strongest player on this website, especially lategame. From the top of my head I remember several games where he just analyzed it and solved it super easily. The most impressive example being the last PYP game


While I respect both the fear that I could still be scum and the respect that I'm one of the stronger town players endgame. I know kinda preffered the JK on Onegu since then I don't have to read him based on 1 post every 12 hours.

Obviously I am biased though, so do as you please Rels.

I'm not gonna change. The thing that cemented that decision was that I find weird that you're not pushing for EC being jailkept. He is your 100% main scum, if I don't target him you're gonna waste tomorrow trying to lynch him; that doesn't make sense IMO. You should be happier with a EC JK than an Onegu JK.
And if you're town I trust you to lead town. (=


I hate you I had a nice wot... F5ed... you wrote this all in so few lines....
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 07 2016 14:42 GMT
#2455
On December 07 2016 23:35 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 23:05 Tictock wrote:
Last thing before I go fight my way through Snow traffic.

On December 07 2016 22:30 Rels wrote:
I wanted to wait a little bit more but since we're discussing it I'll go ahead and say it. Since I'm in theater tonight I can't post a last second message with my check. )= If that wasn't the case I would have waited until the last second in case Onegu is scum and concedes.
I will target TT because:
- there is a very possibility he's scum
- he's one of the strongest player on this website, especially lategame. From the top of my head I remember several games where he just analyzed it and solved it super easily. The most impressive example being the last PYP game


While I respect both the fear that I could still be scum and the respect that I'm one of the stronger town players endgame. I know kinda preffered the JK on Onegu since then I don't have to read him based on 1 post every 12 hours.

Obviously I am biased though, so do as you please Rels.

I'm not gonna change. The thing that cemented that decision was that I find weird that you're not pushing for EC being jailkept. He is your 100% main scum, if I don't target him you're gonna waste tomorrow trying to lynch him; that doesn't make sense IMO. You should be happier with a EC JK than an Onegu JK.
And if you're town I trust you to lead town. (=


That's cool.

I didn't suggest Emp kus you are a big boy and can make your own call. I only spoke up kus I'd rather have info than be confirmed.
I can take that responsibility.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 07 2016 14:46 GMT
#2456
But why info when you can just "win" by jailing your mafia read...?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 07 2016 15:13 GMT
#2457
On December 07 2016 23:36 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 23:35 Rels wrote:
On December 07 2016 23:05 Tictock wrote:
Last thing before I go fight my way through Snow traffic.

On December 07 2016 22:30 Rels wrote:
I wanted to wait a little bit more but since we're discussing it I'll go ahead and say it. Since I'm in theater tonight I can't post a last second message with my check. )= If that wasn't the case I would have waited until the last second in case Onegu is scum and concedes.
I will target TT because:
- there is a very possibility he's scum
- he's one of the strongest player on this website, especially lategame. From the top of my head I remember several games where he just analyzed it and solved it super easily. The most impressive example being the last PYP game


While I respect both the fear that I could still be scum and the respect that I'm one of the stronger town players endgame. I know kinda preffered the JK on Onegu since then I don't have to read him based on 1 post every 12 hours.

Obviously I am biased though, so do as you please Rels.

I'm not gonna change. The thing that cemented that decision was that I find weird that you're not pushing for EC being jailkept. He is your 100% main scum, if I don't target him you're gonna waste tomorrow trying to lynch him; that doesn't make sense IMO. You should be happier with a EC JK than an Onegu JK.
And if you're town I trust you to lead town. (=


I hate you I had a nice wot... F5ed... you wrote this all in so few lines....

Gotta be fast!
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
December 07 2016 15:43 GMT
#2458
Hmmmm.... Have reread DF finally...

Gotta say, I see the doubts HF mentioned...So my previous townlock is kinda gone. But overall I think this still between Emp and TT here. I don't think I would rank DF more likely to be scum than (one of) those two, especially given their latest play.

But with that potential we should still aim at finishing this game as soon as possible, so imho the
1) TT
2) Emp
route is correct.

And if it comes to the D5 worst case scenario... I still don't wanna discuss it now who I would vote for there. I see a fair chance of WIFOM plays during a N4 and don't wanna feed into that, as I consider the conclusion of such thoughts pretty random. And this is more than I want to give scum here.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
December 07 2016 15:59 GMT
#2459
So mafia's strategy this game was to buss their teammates, so D1 I wanted to buss either of my scummates (framer or godfather) and we as a mafia group chose the disciple to be the regular mafia goon, darthfoley, who got caught by like D2 or D3 in my first and only Scum game, while choosing to buss the framer and then The Godfather.

Nice tinfoil ya got there
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
December 07 2016 16:08 GMT
#2460
It is also up to you to end this game before we have to have this discussion
If you suddenly feel insulted you dropped from locktown to #3 or #4 on the could-be-scum-list with one scum remaining, then I can't help you.
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