[M][N] Murder on the Cruise Trip Mafia

On September 24 2016 19:41 Holyflare wrote:
This will be a game where either good people roll mafia and lose or bad people roll mafia and lose.

On October 04 2016 09:02 Calix wrote:
Palmar claiming I am totally obvious mafia but doesn't vote me. Noted.

NU still not trying to do anything and just waffles on about some semi-related bullshit. Noted.

Going to disappear until someone relevant turns up.

On October 04 2016 19:35 Holyflare wrote:
Point out to me where he does this on your site and tries to abuse role pms to get mod confirmed and I'll believe you.

Otherwise you are madia.

On October 04 2016 20:04 Koshi wrote:
Just proof that he has done it in the past.

On October 05 2016 03:42 Damdred wrote:
And hf push on calix really wasn't that bad so kind if just want to take him off the table today and it was kind of a weak Poe anyway. But I'd like to leave him there so he won't ignore me this game.

But on another note- <3 you town jat

On October 05 2016 03:34 Damdred wrote:
Stutters
Bats

Super

Hf

Is my scum pool currently. I'm somewhat more confident in almost everyone else being town.

On October 05 2016 02:40 Superbia wrote:
As I've said before, the Calix/NU thing is the most interesting thing so far. You've danced around alignments like a ballerina. Your push on Palmar was decent and founded. Palmar has shown up and done somewhat okay shit.

What now Marv?

On October 05 2016 04:42 Superbia wrote:


Because HF jumped hard on Calix and people agreed? And I think it's likely to be TvT?

On October 05 2016 04:43 Superbia wrote:


What about Calix?

On October 05 2016 04:49 Superbia wrote:


Are all those people town then, HF? Where the mafia at?

On October 05 2016 04:58 Superbia wrote:


I'll see what happens with your grack push. I don't hate the direction.

I'll also see how Palmar does now that he's active.

On October 05 2016 05:30 batsnacks wrote:

I think superbia is frustrated town would seem consistent with his play the rest of today. He threw out HF and Palmar as names initially and didn't want to explain why for fear of critical people, critical people end up barking at him anyway which is totally his fault but his reactions check out.

I thought marv and superbia were equally obtuse to each other earlier marv was just better at spinning it and it got exacerbated by the fact that superbia was being difficult prior.

On October 05 2016 05:37 batsnacks wrote:

He whined about needing to stay on the sidelines presumably because of the bad critical people, he dropped two names but was apprehensive to provide reasoning because omg critical people again, and then he got super frustrated when after he finally opens up the thread runs a train on him. I don't think this story is that outrageous.

On October 05 2016 06:07 Holyflare wrote:
Did batsnacks get amnesia? Has he forgotten that tl mafia is full of ego arses?

On October 05 2016 06:39 NeverUnlucky wrote:

I think Superbia is town.

On October 05 2016 06:50 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Batsnacks is also town.

On October 05 2016 15:25 Grackaroni wrote:

Like pushing me for being useless. I'm not seeing how that's more useful when I don't think it's particularly alignment indicative. As Damdred said my scum play is probably better than my town play.

On October 04 2016 20:36 justanothertownie wrote:

He is indeed known to lurk and I of course remember that. But especially as a low volume poster your posts should have a purpose. I don't see him getting anywhere or actually being interested in what he says.

On October 05 2016 16:10 Calix wrote:
Hello hi. Have only skimmed the thread at the moment.

I've yet to see a case that overwhelms the evidence against batsnacks so my vote stays with him.

A lot of people are trying to throw up "XYZ is useless" and "this minor point looks funny" as if said points are worth lynching for. Not impressed.

I can see a batsnacks/ JAT team due to JAT trying to defend him when I first brought up batsnacks and then hedging back on that. Didn't feel genuine.

On October 04 2016 20:44 justanothertownie wrote:

It's content is pointless. The hostile/aggressive attitude on the other hand is somewhat interesting.

On October 05 2016 02:55 justanothertownie wrote:

How is it the most interesting thing? I think it is pretty boring.

Also your scumreads were Palmar and HF earlier and at least palmar can't be because of nu/calix, right? Doesn't add up.

On October 05 2016 04:36 justanothertownie wrote:

You could just play the game if you are town. I know - foreign concept.

On October 05 2016 18:17 Calix wrote:


Pointless question, given that I have literally said "batsnacks and JAT are in cahoots"

I don't have a third full-on scum-read. I just think that this group [Koshi/ Palmar/ HF/ Stutters] have scum among them.

On October 05 2016 18:24 justanothertownie wrote:

Don't let this convince you. He has bussed on day1 countless times. In my last game (which I mentioned quite a few times by now) he bussed superbia day1 and that is only one example.
Fortunately I am not mafia.

On October 05 2016 23:48 Calix wrote:
NU, you raise a good point about JAT's defense re: meta. However, what makes you conclude that JAT/ Bats isn't scum defending scum? He switches between defending bats and distancing from him and it's a weird approach for scum/ town imo.

re: HF's post, that can be easily disproven by the fact that I have pushed NU, pushed Oats, pushed Superbia (to an extent) and helped start the batsnacks train. Anyone saying that I'm not pushing the game forward is either illiterate or scum at this point.

On October 06 2016 00:03 Calix wrote:


Your argument was that I hadn't been really pushing anyone.

I refute this point.

You change the argument to "Calix's pushes are bad"

Your last line is a terrible attempt at a meta-read. There is no One True Way for me to play and you have no idea how I 'usually' play given that you've seen me in ONE game.

On October 06 2016 00:09 Calix wrote:


Question. How can my all of my pushes look shitty when you're voting for the same person I am? Why are you not trying harder to sort out myself/ batsnacks when we're clearly not on the same team?

What does my 'ego type' have to do with anything?

On October 06 2016 00:21 Calix wrote:


Even if we disregard two pushes of mine which I started, I was the first person to make a case against batsnacks. In literally no universe does your narrative of "Calix is entirely reactive" hold.

You are just making up bullshit at this point. Read the thread and stop talking out of your arse.

On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:


If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself)

If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town.

I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt.

On October 05 2016 18:17 Calix wrote:


Pointless question, given that I have literally said "batsnacks and JAT are in cahoots"

I don't have a third full-on scum-read. I just think that this group [Koshi/ Palmar/ HF/ Stutters] have scum among them.

On October 06 2016 02:10 NeverUnlucky wrote:

Déjà vu...


Your schedule is light because you study english

Also stop being bad

On October 06 2016 02:37 Koshi wrote:

Can somebody tell me if this is 100% true?

On October 06 2016 02:37 Calix wrote:
Despite the fact that nobody can show town motivation for his posts, batsnacks has had a line of defenders who will focus on anyone else but batsnacks. He was coasting by without a single comment until I spotted him. He managed to get defended based on meta and my initial case on him was largely ignored. If he was bad town, that initial case would have met with FAR MORE support than it did.

Now he's being chainsaw-defended by HF and JAT who have taken to attacking batsnacks' most vocal accuser. Note that NEITHER of them have explained how they town-read batsnacks. HF has said that he scum-reads batsnacks, yet he switches to me without a single comment explaining how his read has changed.

(hint: said read 'progression' happened without batsnacks posting a single fucking thing)

I won't claim that I haven't been defended, but the people defending me have stated town-reads on myself. They are not automatically assuming that XYZ are scum purely for attacking me. These are traits that are lacking in the push against me.

My lynch is being pushed with far more conviction than batsnacks' is. That should tell you something.

On October 06 2016 02:53 Koshi wrote:

HF can you explain to me why you stopped putting pressure on JAT and went full out against Calix for that 1 post?

On October 06 2016 02:58 Holyflare wrote:
honestly don't care who we lynch

On October 06 2016 03:00 Koshi wrote:

Sounds pretty cheap.
How can you turn vs Calix and join JAT for that?

Calix is very obvious town for me.

On October 06 2016 03:00 Holyflare wrote:


because then she also forgot her jat read and made some bull shit grack post

On October 06 2016 01:20 Holyflare wrote:
tl:dr;

Calix has a scum read on Bats.
Calix has a scum read on JAT for association and some minor point which she was told is wrong so it's really association.
Calix is asked what Grack's alignment is and says if Bats is mafia Grack is mafia.

^^^^^^^^^ the above is a lapse in logic because she's never mentioned that before at all and she "town leans" grack which means her bats read is either:

A) faked
B) knows it's a town flip

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tl:dr part 2:

Calix admits that she's pushed nu/oats (bad pushes) and followed on the pushes of superbia/bats (also my pushes) yet when I asked her to make a scum list she randomly spouts off extra names of: Koshi/Palmar/HF/Stutters.

Calix gets called out on this bull shit list and she in fact says it's a "if bats doesn't flip mafia" list.

^^^^^ the above is a lapse in logic because she didn't get asked for that, it doesn't even make the slightest bit of sense at all to make a list of "if my two mafia reads are wrong" list when asked for the reasons she is scum reading someone.

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tl:dr part 3:

her nu read was complete bull shit at the time, it had no evidence to back it up

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conclusion: mafia

On October 06 2016 03:01 Calix wrote:
Is it just me or is HF being weirdly hesitant with some of his reads? I'll filter-dive later to see if this impression holds but his "calixbutmaybenot" inclusion pings me.

His apathy over the lynch is concerning me.

On October 06 2016 03:01 Koshi wrote:

Sure felt like you pushing mafia agenda. A lot.

On October 06 2016 03:03 Calix wrote:
Uh yes. You have this case which you think makes me mafia and which you haven't given a town explanation for and which the only thing you have said in my favour is "she could be bad".

Why the fuck would you be hesitant over my lynch?

On October 06 2016 03:05 Calix wrote:
I'm sorry, I thought that my giant ego was because of my personality because I'm so similar to you, right?

On October 06 2016 03:08 justanothertownie wrote:
I think I will vote superbia for basically giving this game the middle finger while being heavily suspected.

On October 06 2016 03:08 Holyflare wrote:
batsnacks is that guy from a game where he does everything mafia-y under the sun but at the time you read his contentless posts they come across towny, that's the only problem I have with him not being mafia because I think he could very well be mafia

On October 06 2016 03:22 Calix wrote:
I think lynching among JAT/ HF/ batsnacks is way more likely to hit multiple scum. Better return.

You don't agree?

On October 06 2016 03:23 Koshi wrote:
Also HF just sheeping me here feels just too good to be true.

On October 06 2016 03:45 Calix wrote:
Fuck Palmar, what about JAT? Has he even done anything townie this game aside from compare himself to his town games?

I looked at Palmar's filter and he actually has some okayish posts in there.

I'm not saying that they're amazing contributions - we're talking about the Town Tard here - but there is some effort there imo.

On October 06 2016 03:48 Calix wrote:


1. My scum-reads have either voted for him or have voted for him in the past.

2. His train is not being challenged by anyone else but myself and I know I'm town.

3. Basically it reminds me of a mislynch in my first game and I don't want the same mistake to happen if Palmar is town.

On October 06 2016 04:35 batsnacks wrote:

I think this is a great lynch and not just for self preservation purposes! It is bad that as soon as I intercepted all the heat he was getting he left.

Or Damdred for real

On October 06 2016 04:38 Holyflare wrote:


but you town read superbia and still did afterwards??? why can't he just be afk?

On October 06 2016 04:52 batsnacks wrote:
I don't know what palmar needs to do to be scummy or what scum palmar is like that's sort of an unreasonable question. Post why palmar is scummy I'll tel you if I agree sorry if you already did and I missed it.

Superbia could be afk I have no way of knowing. i do know that he disappeared after I inherited his pressure.

On October 06 2016 05:09 Koshi wrote:
There hasn't been any pressure on anybody this game. Not even me and I was gone for like 40 hours

On October 06 2016 05:14 Koshi wrote:

What did I do?

On October 06 2016 05:37 Palmar wrote:
I'm not dying for bats btw, I'm 100% voting him if it comes to it

On October 06 2016 05:39 Palmar wrote:

Really bad mafia agenda complete

On October 06 2016 05:42 Palmar wrote:
actually that post makes hf 100% mafia

On October 06 2016 05:48 Palmar wrote:
Holyflare doesn't use fake reasons to push people

Voting my counterwagon is optimal play if I'm town or mafia. I stated I would do so, it's NAI

HF thinks I would only do it as mafia, he doesn't actually believe that because he's not stupid.

Thus he's mafia. QED.

On October 06 2016 05:51 Calix wrote:
HF, did you seriously just use the "it's a joke guise" retort?

Eww.

On October 06 2016 05:54 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm all for killing Palmar and then sneakily pushing the blame on to HF if it fails.

On October 06 2016 05:55 Calix wrote:
Let's just stick with the simplest option and not give a shit about your childish prancing around, shall we?

I like that option better.

On October 06 2016 18:41 Superbia wrote:


Actually if Palmar is mafia then it'd way more likely a team mate would be on him because of the switch vote power.

On October 06 2016 20:26 marvellosity wrote:

still don't understand how you can think this given the last game we played together

seriously blows my mind.

?????

On October 06 2016 20:35 marvellosity wrote:

he didn't need to?? like palmar needed 3 more votes to be lynched with about 3 minutes to go.

why are you asking me this??

On October 06 2016 20:36 marvellosity wrote:

that's wrong so you're bad.

On October 06 2016 20:40 marvellosity wrote:

yes, it can.

your opinion could be the world is flat - nonetheless it isn't flat. ergo your opinion would be wrong.

On October 06 2016 20:43 marvellosity wrote:

he didn't dick over his team. he didn't get lynched. 2 votes were needed on him with 3 minutes to go. it's a calculated risk.

plus he always reserved the opportunity to vote batsnacks if it looked like he was getting lynched, and he could say "it's always better to vote someone other than yourself who isn't town". he always had that in reserve.

basically don't get why you're putting any importance at all on what was essentially an anti-town move by his own logic.

On October 06 2016 20:46 Koshi wrote:

This is a really bad argument and you need to stop pushing it in the thread. He did the axect same thing in Star Wars mafia. I was mafia with him and the votes were 7-7 and he didn't vote to save himself. I think he eventually voted 1 minute after the deadline but got saved because the other guy reached 7 first.

Like... He did this as mafia before.

On October 06 2016 21:50 NeverUnlucky wrote:

3 people were online at the deadline including him and Calix. Calix was never going to not vote BS. Palamara was in no threat of being lynched. Drop the "He didn't vote to save himself".

On October 06 2016 21:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:

I am saying that the argument of Palamar not voting to save himself is invalid in this context. I am not saying he is mafia.

I am calling you mafia though, yes. All your scum-reads so far have been obvious townies. That's either because you are like Calix or because you are mafia. Since the town retard rolecard is already in Calix's hands, I assume you are mafia.

On October 06 2016 22:27 Oatsmaster wrote:

Shoot this shit.

Hf might be the mafia vig that would be interesting. He's totally setting himself up for the worst shot in the world on calix cause everything he says to defend himself is also what calix has been doing.

Marv being super defensive is bad. He's just whining that people have a totally legitimate reason to scum-read him, come on man. No interest in finding and pushing another mafia.

On October 06 2016 22:46 Oatsmaster wrote:

No, you pushed cases and kept the thread alive when it was dying. same as calix. did you even read my question or did you just see, "someone called me scum,must answer with some irrelevant nonsense".

On October 06 2016 22:53 Oatsmaster wrote:

Its almost as if I'm not even making that point.

Can you quote the wrong stuff about bats?

On October 06 2016 22:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Like what the fuck man hf. I just said that calix pushed shit and kept the thread going which is objectively correct and also what you said you did that makes you town. That's it.

On October 06 2016 22:58 Superbia wrote:


I really really don't know why you are being this defensive dude.

On October 06 2016 23:02 Superbia wrote:


Did you see my EoD? Do you honestly believe I was paying any sort of detailed attention? I have yet to revisit EoD.

On October 06 2016 23:04 Superbia wrote:
Weren't you calling JAT mafia at some point HF? Are you interested in solving this game? Or are you just interested in cutting people off?

What a nerd.

On October 06 2016 23:07 Superbia wrote:


I have come to the conclusion that all brits are somewhat infuriating. No love lost, though.

On October 07 2016 01:18 Calix wrote:
So many pages, so little of interest.

I just saw some stupid role-talk and bickering, zzz.

Decided to do some filter-diving. JAT and HF are still scummy in their own right, nothing new there.

Koshi can enter my obvtown pile.

Marv goes down a notch because I looked at his filter and Superbia's. Firstly, his filter isn't as good as I thought it was. Second, I noted that spat over wherever Superbia TMI'd that I was town...and then realised that he called batsnacks/ myself WvW later on.

Which makes no sense because if you think Superbia TMI'd that I was town then that implies that you think I'm town...except for the fact that he doesn't. So why would you think that a scum-read was spewed town by another scum-read when you haven't said that you town-read either of them? Very confused there.

Stutters can be considered as a potential scum, if only because I'm town-reading a lot of people so he looks worse by POE.

On October 07 2016 02:04 Calix wrote:
Who gives a shit if town reads act less townie if they're not acting like mafia? I get that it's Night 1 but that's ridiculous to doubt people with that reasoning so soon.

I for one have a lot of town-reads which I'm happy with.

@NU, yes.

On October 07 2016 02:11 Calix wrote:
Yes HF, it was a shitty list post where I didn't elaborate on my reasoning. Well done, moron.

You took multiple paragraphs to realise that.

Waste of a wall-post.

On October 07 2016 02:13 NeverUnlucky wrote:

HF, are you town?

On October 07 2016 02:46 justanothertownie wrote:

What does stutters have to do with anything?

On October 07 2016 02:55 Grackaroni wrote:

I had kind of a hard time believing he would be such a shitter as scum to not change his vote.

On October 07 2016 05:26 justanothertownie wrote:

Why are Super and Grack not in that list? Rest is fine. I would probably remove marv though.

On October 07 2016 05:28 justanothertownie wrote:

Marv also said funny things. Palmar too.

On October 07 2016 05:35 Calix wrote:
Lack of a response for that massive contradiction noted.

If you haven't night-killed me because you somehow think I'm getting mislynched still, I'm 100% voting for you tomorrow.

Have fun.