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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 05 2016 15:07 GMT
#923
You're like a mini irate version of me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 05 2016 15:17 GMT
#928
On October 06 2016 00:09 Calix wrote:
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On October 06 2016 00:05 Holyflare wrote:
On October 06 2016 00:03 Calix wrote:
On October 06 2016 00:00 Holyflare wrote:
On October 05 2016 23:48 Calix wrote:
NU, you raise a good point about JAT's defense re: meta. However, what makes you conclude that JAT/ Bats isn't scum defending scum? He switches between defending bats and distancing from him and it's a weird approach for scum/ town imo.

re: HF's post, that can be easily disproven by the fact that I have pushed NU, pushed Oats, pushed Superbia (to an extent) and helped start the batsnacks train. Anyone saying that I'm not pushing the game forward is either illiterate or scum at this point.


All of those pushes were bad apart from the Superbia and batsnacks one which other people are pushing instead.

You're supposed to be town leaders-y and you seem more reactive.


Your argument was that I hadn't been really pushing anyone.

I refute this point.

You change the argument to "Calix's pushes are bad"

Your last line is a terrible attempt at a meta-read. There is no One True Way for me to play and you have no idea how I 'usually' play given that you've seen me in ONE game.


Thing is I don't care.

Maybe my original post should have been "calix has only pushed dumb shit all game and been reactive" instead. Yes, I think I'm ninja editing it to that instead.

I don't care if you're the meta God I know your ego type like the back of my hand, you don't like being wrong, you like being right, other people are pretty dumb. I know your pushes look shitty to me and that's what I'm sticking with.


Question. How can my all of my pushes look shitty when you're voting for the same person I am? Why are you not trying harder to sort out myself/ batsnacks when we're clearly not on the same team?

What does my 'ego type' have to do with anything?


If you make a list of your pushes and two of them are bad and the other two other people have started (myself basically) then the only pushes you have made yourself are crap and the other two are REACTIVE based on the sentiment of the thread.

Basically your posts seem entirely reactive and contain a plethora of things to assuage other people's fears.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 05 2016 15:39 GMT
#942
On October 06 2016 00:21 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2016 00:17 Holyflare wrote:
On October 06 2016 00:09 Calix wrote:
On October 06 2016 00:05 Holyflare wrote:
On October 06 2016 00:03 Calix wrote:
On October 06 2016 00:00 Holyflare wrote:
On October 05 2016 23:48 Calix wrote:
NU, you raise a good point about JAT's defense re: meta. However, what makes you conclude that JAT/ Bats isn't scum defending scum? He switches between defending bats and distancing from him and it's a weird approach for scum/ town imo.

re: HF's post, that can be easily disproven by the fact that I have pushed NU, pushed Oats, pushed Superbia (to an extent) and helped start the batsnacks train. Anyone saying that I'm not pushing the game forward is either illiterate or scum at this point.


All of those pushes were bad apart from the Superbia and batsnacks one which other people are pushing instead.

You're supposed to be town leaders-y and you seem more reactive.


Your argument was that I hadn't been really pushing anyone.

I refute this point.

You change the argument to "Calix's pushes are bad"

Your last line is a terrible attempt at a meta-read. There is no One True Way for me to play and you have no idea how I 'usually' play given that you've seen me in ONE game.


Thing is I don't care.

Maybe my original post should have been "calix has only pushed dumb shit all game and been reactive" instead. Yes, I think I'm ninja editing it to that instead.

I don't care if you're the meta God I know your ego type like the back of my hand, you don't like being wrong, you like being right, other people are pretty dumb. I know your pushes look shitty to me and that's what I'm sticking with.


Question. How can my all of my pushes look shitty when you're voting for the same person I am? Why are you not trying harder to sort out myself/ batsnacks when we're clearly not on the same team?

What does my 'ego type' have to do with anything?


If you make a list of your pushes and two of them are bad and the other two other people have started (myself basically) then the only pushes you have made yourself are crap and the other two are REACTIVE based on the sentiment of the thread.

Basically your posts seem entirely reactive and contain a plethora of things to assuage other people's fears.


Even if we disregard two pushes of mine which I started, I was the first person to make a case against batsnacks. In literally no universe does your narrative of "Calix is entirely reactive" hold.

You are just making up bullshit at this point. Read the thread and stop talking out of your arse.


Then why are you the last person to vote on batsnacks?

Why is jat and batsnacks a team but then if batsnacks is mafia grackaroni is ALSO part of that team while

On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:
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On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.

I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip.

Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum?



If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself)

If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town.

I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt.



he doesn't appear in your list of scum reads at all initially:

On October 05 2016 18:17 Calix wrote:
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On October 05 2016 18:12 Holyflare wrote:
Calix can you give me a rundown of your scum reads and why in some short sentences?


Pointless question, given that I have literally said "batsnacks and JAT are in cahoots"

I don't have a third full-on scum-read. I just think that this group [Koshi/ Palmar/ HF/ Stutters] have scum among them.


You think batsnacks is mafia. It's incredibly weird that you think jat is mafia for all of this association bs but then have grack as a "town lean" but he's probably mafia if batsnacks is mafia. It doesn't make sense in the slightest.

All I did was ask you for a list of scum reads but then when I called you out on your bs reads that you can't possibly make you backtrack and say it's a list of people if your reads are WRONG.

That's not what I asked for at all, it's scummy as shit, it's another inconstancy with the reads that you don't remember. Furthermore, you haven't expressed the majority of these reads. You tell me that your pushes are Superbia and Batsnacks but your read on me is entirely unqualified. I made good pushes/cases on both of these people and they are both people that you want to lynch and think are mafia.

If I ask a person for a mafia read and they give me a list of people that "oh if i'm wrong these people are mafia maybe" then that's fucking dirty and scummy.

If a person is asked about a possible world where someone is mafia and that world is the world that already exists in that persons mind why do they say the opposite?

I'll give you the answer, it's because that person is mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 05 2016 15:41 GMT
#945
Yes but she's been told that's how he plays and she hasn't updated that read.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 05 2016 16:20 GMT
#962
tl:dr;

Calix has a scum read on Bats.
Calix has a scum read on JAT for association and some minor point which she was told is wrong so it's really association.
Calix is asked what Grack's alignment is and says if Bats is mafia Grack is mafia.

^^^^^^^^^ the above is a lapse in logic because she's never mentioned that before at all and she "town leans" grack which means her bats read is either:

A) faked
B) knows it's a town flip




tl:dr part 2:

Calix admits that she's pushed nu/oats (bad pushes) and followed on the pushes of superbia/bats (also my pushes) yet when I asked her to make a scum list she randomly spouts off extra names of: Koshi/Palmar/HF/Stutters.

Calix gets called out on this bull shit list and she in fact says it's a "if bats doesn't flip mafia" list.

^^^^^ the above is a lapse in logic because she didn't get asked for that, it doesn't even make the slightest bit of sense at all to make a list of "if my two mafia reads are wrong" list when asked for the reasons she is scum reading someone.




tl:dr part 3:

her nu read was complete bull shit at the time, it had no evidence to back it up




conclusion: mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 05 2016 16:22 GMT
#964
and my post isn't even basically based on the fact that she scum reads me despite agreeing with every push I have made this entire game and even the one on herself

(it might be slightly based on this)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 05 2016 16:37 GMT
#966
I don't know why you town read marv, I think he's been underwhelming at best and definitely doesn't have much of a total thread awareness.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 05 2016 16:45 GMT
#969
I don't get it jat you've scum read bats, no vote on him, you've scum read calix and she's done this bs that you're arguing with grack about and you don't vote her, you've just said to lynch grack and aren't voting him.

Why?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 05 2016 16:54 GMT
#971
because you're not going to be here at deadline.............?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 05 2016 17:09 GMT
#976
That's not what he's saying at all.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 05 2016 17:16 GMT
#980
On October 06 2016 02:10 NeverUnlucky wrote:
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On October 06 2016 00:30 Palmar wrote:
Calix is 100% mafia

Déjà vu...

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On October 05 2016 23:49 Calix wrote:
I'm going out in ~30 minutes, going to be out for a few hours and then I'm in for the evening. Generally my schedule is light because I'm at uni but today is busy for me so I might not get back before you leave.

Your schedule is light because you study english

Also stop being bad


remember who he voted for last time day 1?

that was mafia!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 05 2016 17:33 GMT
#989
Have you ever thought that chainsaws are bull shit when the people "doing" them come up with multiple valid points?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 05 2016 17:34 GMT
#990
I've seen multiple town people do the same thing to be honest but yes he's even around and doing nothing so it's not super unlikely that he's still mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 05 2016 17:38 GMT
#996
On October 06 2016 02:37 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:39 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.

I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip.

Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum?



If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself)

If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town.

I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt.


huh

I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all.


What? This has nothing to do with you.

He's asking how my opinion of Grack would change depending on what Bat flipped.

I responded with "Grack could be a potential partner if Bat is scum but I don't think he's done anything scummy at the moment"

I don't even get what your argument is here.

Your whole scumread on me hinges on bats being scum. And now if someone asks you what you think of grack if bats flips scum you say: "he might be scum because he pushed JAT instead of bats"? Like what?

Can somebody tell me if this is 100% true?


it's 100% true
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 05 2016 17:40 GMT
#999
On October 06 2016 02:37 Calix wrote:
Despite the fact that nobody can show town motivation for his posts, batsnacks has had a line of defenders who will focus on anyone else but batsnacks. He was coasting by without a single comment until I spotted him. He managed to get defended based on meta and my initial case on him was largely ignored. If he was bad town, that initial case would have met with FAR MORE support than it did.

Now he's being chainsaw-defended by HF and JAT who have taken to attacking batsnacks' most vocal accuser. Note that NEITHER of them have explained how they town-read batsnacks. HF has said that he scum-reads batsnacks, yet he switches to me without a single comment explaining how his read has changed.

(hint: said read 'progression' happened without batsnacks posting a single fucking thing)

I won't claim that I haven't been defended, but the people defending me have stated town-reads on myself. They are not automatically assuming that XYZ are scum purely for attacking me. These are traits that are lacking in the push against me.

My lynch is being pushed with far more conviction than batsnacks' is. That should tell you something.


Here's the thing you need to learn. I don't care about associations, I don't care about teams that work together, I don't care who has pushed who. The simplest most honest thing I do is pushing things that I think are complete bull shit.

Your vote on batsnacks was LAST on his wagon and you keep going on about how it's you and him and it must be you and him or whatever, you forgot your own reads, you didn't even post a list of scum reads when I asked you. I think your play has been super subpar compared to what I saw last game. So what if you even pushed batsnacks? You have outrageously bad thought patterns in YOUR filter.

Batsnacks is still also scummy and I don't really care that you pushed him.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 05 2016 17:48 GMT
#1012
I'm up for a superbia shenanigan
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 05 2016 17:51 GMT
#1019
wtf is cfd
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 05 2016 17:56 GMT
#1027
On October 06 2016 02:53 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2016 02:48 Holyflare wrote:
I'm up for a superbia shenanigan

HF can you explain to me why you stopped putting pressure on JAT and went full out against Calix for that 1 post?


because I remembered that I always scum read jat for playing like shit and I didn't mind his responses and I weigh someone scum reading me when they agree with everything I pushed way more likely mafia than anything else and all I did was ask for her scum reads and what i got instead was a "if my two scum reads AREN'T mafia then there's mafia in this pool" post instead of actual list of scum reads and reasons and my name was in the list which is bs.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 05 2016 17:58 GMT
#1029
honestly don't care who we lynch
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 05 2016 17:59 GMT
#1034
On October 06 2016 02:58 Holyflare wrote:
honestly don't care who we lynch



as long as it's into

stutters/superbia/bats/possiblycalixbutmaybenot/palmar/jat
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