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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
October 04 2016 20:54 GMT
#612
On October 05 2016 05:50 batsnacks wrote:
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On October 05 2016 05:39 Damdred wrote:
Well bats, I am,not sure why you think him being afraid leads him to,being town. And I'm not sure where you are getting that he is even scared at tbh.

If you could,point that out would be good. And super who has played with most of us and,is generally a thorn in people's sides as town and explains himself I just don't see fear.

So I really don't understand the read you made.

Also you avoided explaining how I am just jumping on the easy target when I posted my scum,read not,much push on then,exactly.

Being afraid leads to him being town I guess because it doesn't make sense to be afraid as mafia. I'm sure I've played with super in the past but it's been years since I've played with any of you and I don't really remember anything about how super plays.

erm, no.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
October 04 2016 21:02 GMT
#620
On October 05 2016 05:58 batsnacks wrote:
I was just thinking jat can be mafia though. There were some moments, one where Carix was yelling at super, where he's maybe been egging bad town behavior. Like this is one
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On October 05 2016 05:06 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 05:05 Calix wrote:
You are either being incredibly childish or you're scum throwing a temper tantrum.

Either way, it can be fixed with a rope.

Top post.

That's not the first one I just don't want to find the rest.

You make it sound like I am some sort of evil puppeteer. I like it.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
October 04 2016 21:06 GMT
#626
On October 05 2016 06:04 batsnacks wrote:
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On October 05 2016 06:02 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 05:58 batsnacks wrote:
I was just thinking jat can be mafia though. There were some moments, one where Carix was yelling at super, where he's maybe been egging bad town behavior. Like this is one
On October 05 2016 05:06 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 05:05 Calix wrote:
You are either being incredibly childish or you're scum throwing a temper tantrum.

Either way, it can be fixed with a rope.

Top post.

That's not the first one I just don't want to find the rest.

You make it sound like I am some sort of evil puppeteer. I like it.

Yes that's what I meant like I don't think Calix is helping town by being unpleasant and I think you hurt town by encouraging it

Guilty. Doesn't make me mafia though.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
October 04 2016 21:29 GMT
#646
On October 05 2016 06:26 Damdred wrote:
And really if you think the best way to get a handle on marv is poking him just doesn't work like that tbh

It actually can work that way. But the way superbia did it was not really helpful.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
October 04 2016 21:30 GMT
#648
I just realized how stupid that sounds. But hope you get the message.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
October 04 2016 21:44 GMT
#659
On October 05 2016 06:42 Calix wrote:
Dude, I'm being serious. Don't clog up the chat with bullshit.

HF exaggerating shit...what would you call his horrendous TT push in HM then? lol

True. HF exaggerates like a madman as both alignments.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
October 05 2016 08:35 GMT
#811
Wow, I had to read an insane amount of bullshit just now. I already told you guys I won't be around much today before the game started and this still holds true (only activity possible today will be what I can sneak in during work). So I will adress the horrendous stuff which has been posted about me and give you my lynchpool before I leave. Won't have time for much more.

Let's start:
On October 05 2016 09:34 Grackaroni wrote:
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On October 05 2016 09:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Grack do you have any reads or you just decide to post when you feel like it uselessly?

No I'm actually working on it right now, but it's a slow process.

My first instinct was to look at JAT and I'm still a bit undecided. There's nothing in his filter for me to really fault but he seems very agreeable.

How do you go from the bolded, which is entirely accurate, to me being his prefered lynch? When being agreeable is basically my bog-standard townmeta? I am literally known for this. Still mafia superbia made the same case on me in my last towngame. It is highly irritating.
On October 05 2016 14:06 Grackaroni wrote:
JAT (Because of general agreeability. Also he weakens his reads whenever questioned.)

On October 05 2016 14:07 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't really want to go for the Holyflare hat trick on day 1, so I propose JAT.

On October 05 2016 16:36 Grackaroni wrote:
I do agree though that JAT spends a lot of time arguing people are acting normally.

Palmar is normal

Batsnacks is normal

Then whenever somebody argues otherwise he agrees with them.

Literally nothing about my play changed between those posts. As if reevaluating my read on batsnacks was the slightest bit scummy. I had an impression of his game which didn't really hold up when I rechecked his filter. And as far as I know this was the only time this game where I "weakened my read". Never did I retract what I said about Palmar. I wasn't questioned either. Grack is misrepresenting what happened here.

Overall this is a bullshit accusation which does not require any towny mindset to come up with. Combined with gracks lackluster play it can easily come from mafia.

On October 05 2016 08:18 batsnacks wrote:
jat was on the ground floor with NU vs Calix, said later that he has "0 idea why anyone [Superbia] would find that fight interesting." He's been there a few times egging Calix on when what Calix was doing at the time was at best anti town.

I know I'm speaking as someone who himself is guilty of not taking stances but jat is also there sort of directing traffic a lot of the time and similarly not taking stances.

What does "on the ground floor" even mean? I said that calix approach was hard to understand since nu apparently is such an easy read for her. That's literally the only somewhat interesting thing about that fight and since calix was obviously really invested and out herself out there I did not think it made her mafia. The rest of your accusation is just what you said earlier already and it is probably the silliest accusation I have ever heard. If you only lynch people who do this kind of "anti town" stuff you will never win a single game as town. In fact it is so silly that I find it hard to imagine mafia batsnacks trying to attack me with it.

On October 05 2016 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
I quite like what bats has been doing recently, especially since he returned pretty quickly after his peace out post.

Super still whining and not being proactive.

Koshi and stutters no-show.

Koshi if you really don't have the time, just find one read and push it. Don't do this fluffy shit.

Jat a lot of activity but not a lot of content, leaning scum on him.

This guy on the other hand is just making a thowaway comment on me without following up un it. He is putting me on the backburner because "I did not offend him" (what kind of bs reason is that?) - possibly because he doesn't really think I will actually get lynched.

Might come from mafia.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
October 05 2016 08:48 GMT
#812
On October 05 2016 15:37 Holyflare wrote:
He's always been a parrot but now he's a boring parrot. There's posts jat picks up on such as early game where he bolded one of my posts and said "is this true?" in regards to calix and nu and then dropped it entirely. Then there's another thing somewhere he dropped let me find it.

I think I already answered that in my last post. There was no reason not to drop it. Note how HF acknowledges that being agreeable is not a scumtell for me without really being interested in correcting grack btw.
On October 05 2016 15:46 Holyflare wrote:
That's a wasted vote.

Anyway, I don't like that jat's only vote is palmar. He's been far too conservative. He did some weird batsnacks defence and then found out he didn't realise what batsnacks did post but still defended him anyway and then when batsnacks gets called out jat says he looks bad but doesn't shift his vote.

If he admits that palmar doing not much isn't really indicative (he says to marv that palmar isn't scummy for it) then his vote should be on the people he is actually calling scummy but it's not. He doesn't really have scum reads and the only time he does mention scum reads really is to agree with a damdred list.

You know fully well that I do not tend to throw my vote around day1. I voted Palmar because pressuring palmar is always good and marv was on it not because I thought he was particularly scummy. Should be quite obvious.
On October 05 2016 15:49 Holyflare wrote:
I also thought jat's earlier call out of stutters was extremely out of place on a person who posted 3 posts at the start of the game and it sidetracked from actual discussion.

It's weird because:

A) it's really the only person jat has called out the entire game.

B) he ignored scummy things going on for it.

C) he knows stutters is a lurker and doesn't post much

Looked really forced read.

A) Wrong. Called out superbia multiple times for example. Before you did btw.
B) What scummy things? Why would they stop me from posting about the guy I thought was the least impressive up until that point?
C) Yes, so what? I did not call him scummy for lurking.
On October 05 2016 16:01 Holyflare wrote:
This game is gonna get boring really fast when jat returns to post some inane drivel retort.

What kind of bs is that? It seems like you are just intentionally trying to rile me up. Which I have to admit can come from both alignments in your case.
On October 05 2016 16:10 Holyflare wrote:
Why do i think the complete opposite then? Batsnacks looks like a complete emotionless robot that posts reads and has no passion behind them.

Because most of those posts came way after I posted my initial read on batsnacks?!

It is really opportunistic for HF to start pushing me like this just after 1-2 other people started suspecting me. He knows I won't be able to shout him down/defend myself properly today like I usually would. Regardless of his alignment he is pushing mafia agenda here. The problem is that I can easily see HF going after me despite knowing that this is 100 % my townmeta just to aggrevate me because it amuses him. Wouldn't be the first time.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
October 05 2016 08:56 GMT
#813
On October 05 2016 12:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On October 05 2016 12:32 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 05 2016 12:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 05 2016 12:06 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 05 2016 12:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 05 2016 12:02 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 05 2016 02:33 marvellosity wrote:
Still want to know why superbia phrased his question to me like there wasn't a shadow of doubt calix is town

I don't like this push by the way.

Explain

Because a town read on Calix isn't unusual. She's posted more than anyone, assuming that she is town doesn't mean that Superbia has too much information like Marv has suggested.

Can you quote the question? Thanks

On October 05 2016 00:56 marvellosity wrote:
On October 04 2016 23:53 Superbia wrote:
On October 04 2016 23:46 marvellosity wrote:
On October 04 2016 23:43 Superbia wrote:
Marv what are your thoughts on the flare?

Inconclusively town.

Don't think his calix push was particularly shit flingy


Mafia latching on then?

With the massive assumption you're making that calix is town?

I don't even understand the question. I just don't find the assumption scummy considering Calix's play so far.

Ah ok, I see where Marv is going here. Super proposed a throwaway question with no doubt in his mind that calix was town. I'm not sure if super is saying that mafia is latching onto to hf's push or that hf is latching on.

Scum slips don't exist though so i agree with you

This is really bad. Super does something tmi'ish, oats sees it but then he suddenly agrees with gracks assessment that super is town because "scumslips don't exist"? So oats is basically saying mafia will never show tmi or what? Ridiculous.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
October 05 2016 08:58 GMT
#815
On October 05 2016 13:12 Grackaroni wrote:
@JAT: You quoted some posts from Batsnacks that made you think he wouldn't be scum. Superbia has made a lot of posts similar to those, yet you agreed with Palmar that he would be a good push. Do you think that Superbia would be more capable of making those posts as scum or is this something that you have missed?

Since when is batsnacks=superbia?

They are very very different players. Batsnacks tends to be more cocky as town. Superbia tends to be cocky and needlessly aggressive as mafia. It is literally his scummeta and I caught him with it multiple times.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
October 05 2016 09:01 GMT
#819
On October 05 2016 15:55 Grackaroni wrote:
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On October 05 2016 15:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 05 2016 14:50 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 05 2016 14:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why is super town lol wtf.

Because I think that the cocky useless attitude and annoyance is harder to fake than it seems. Also the times that he has contributed I think he's made good points, i.e. Damdred's confidence on Marv and HF dropping his Calix push.

Lol wait wait you really need to expand on this. Cause it's really important

I don't think that scum becomes genuinely annoyed at somebody for not answering a question because they don't actually care about the answer. This is something that Superbia has to actively think of to fake.

If you're going for the cocky useless scum play, then you are drawing a lot more attention to yourself. It can be harder to pull off than you would think, and it's always a riskier gambit than just contributing more than the shittiest players.

Marv isn't going to roll over this game as scum because he hasn't played in months.

HF point was something that I noticed as well.

Like I said - it is superbias scummeta. Just read some of his mafia games if you don't believe me.
I also don't think marv would roll over as mafia because he hasn't played for a while. That's the opposite of how it actually works.
The reason why I think marv would be easy to spot is his reduced time to play the game which makes it even more likely for him to not give a shit as mafia than before.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
October 05 2016 09:03 GMT
#823
On October 05 2016 18:00 Calix wrote:
Is everyone terrible/ possible scum for accusing you? Because that's what I'm getting out of your posts so far.

HF is opportunistic.

batsnacks' push is "so terrible that it might not come from mafia"

Grack's push "does not require a townie mindset"

Oats is not even a good argument. You're attacking him for a 'throwaway comment' (lol) and for saying that he doesn't believe in scum-slips.

Terrible.

Yep. I am playing a pretty decent towngame so far and there is 0 reason to scumread me. So if you do you are pretty terrible.

I like how you are just attacking my choice of words instead of my actual arguments though.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
October 05 2016 09:04 GMT
#825
On October 05 2016 18:01 Holyflare wrote:
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On October 04 2016 20:44 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 04 2016 20:42 marvellosity wrote:
On October 04 2016 20:38 Superbia wrote:
General complaint:

I agree that this PM shit is really really fucking dumb.

The fact that people are already drawing conclusions based on someone who claims he can be mod confirmed is also really fucking dumb. Like conjecture regarding PMs is already happening.

This why you never bring this shit up. You're either soft claiming a role or you're really talking about again-the-rules shit like an absolute dumb ass. Either way it's fucking dumb because people are now talking about PMs and inferring based on it.

I wanted a nice, high-level game. Not PM garbage.

Thx4listening.

yes, unfortunately i did read this completely unnecessary pointless post.

It's content is pointless. The hostile/aggressive attitude on the other hand is somewhat interesting.


Town read on Superbia above.

Only ever mention or interaction with Superbia until I started pushing him below.

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On October 05 2016 02:55 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 02:40 Superbia wrote:
As I've said before, the Calix/NU thing is the most interesting thing so far. You've danced around alignments like a ballerina. Your push on Palmar was decent and founded. Palmar has shown up and done somewhat okay shit.

What now Marv?

How is it the most interesting thing? I think it is pretty boring.

Also your scumreads were Palmar and HF earlier and at least palmar can't be because of nu/calix, right? Doesn't add up.

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On October 05 2016 04:36 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 04:35 Superbia wrote:
I'm kind of annoyed with people but I know if I'm too defensive I'll be called scum.

You could just play the game if you are town. I know - foreign concept.


That is quite clearly not a push by any stretch of the imagination.

What you quoted is not a townread. Quite the opposite.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
October 05 2016 09:05 GMT
#827
On October 05 2016 18:02 Calix wrote:
tl;dr: You're playing extremely reactively and you've only just started to accuse players of being scum once you were pushed into the spotlight...and all of those players are accusing you.

I remain unconvinced.

I accused players before. You even agreed with my stutters read. Also superbia.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
October 05 2016 09:07 GMT
#830
On October 05 2016 18:02 Holyflare wrote:
And what, are you now saying that you scum read batsnacks after hks posts at night?

I think I mentioned several times that I did not like them.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
October 05 2016 09:11 GMT
#832
Let's come to this post:
On October 05 2016 16:27 Calix wrote:
Not quotes but JAT has a lot of posts where he says "XYZ is behaving normally for them" or asking a question and then not going anywhere with them.

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On October 05 2016 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:41 Calix wrote:
Also if anyone wants to comment on batsnacks' filter so far then knock yourself out.

0 problems with his filter so far. Generally town batsnacks doesn't give a fuck/is very sassy/self-confident while scum batsnacks tends to blend in immediately.
Not really conclusive since I think he was improving his game the last time I saw him as mafia but I wouldn't lynch him right now.


Here JAT's response is to characterise batsnacks as 'sassy and self-confident' (implying that these are accurate words to describe his filter).

He also notes that batsnacks had been 'improving his scum game' - an odd thing to note on someone that you claim to have 'no problems' with so far.

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On October 05 2016 01:19 justanothertownie wrote:
I still maintain that I do not have a particular problem with his filter but I retract my confidence.


This doesn't make sense. He didn't have much confidence in his read to begin with (i.e., the comment about an improved mafia game) and how does one lose confidence without seeing a problem with the filter?

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On October 05 2016 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 01:19 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 01:16 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 01:11 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:41 Calix wrote:
Also if anyone wants to comment on batsnacks' filter so far then knock yourself out.

0 problems with his filter so far. Generally town batsnacks doesn't give a fuck/is very sassy/self-confident while scum batsnacks tends to blend in immediately.
Not really conclusive since I think he was improving his game the last time I saw him as mafia but I wouldn't lynch him right now.


Eh?

I didn't get the impression that he was being that sassy or whatnot.

In fact, his filter is one that I'd characterise as "trying to blend in" so I don't relate to your impression of him. I don't have a 'case' per se but my impression of him is that he's popping in to make comments which sound okay by themselves but add up to a poor filter.

Namely he has a few pre-flip association theories which don't tell us much about where he actually stands on the players as individuals.

#266 pinged me because he doesn't really SAY anything in it. He waffles around, seemingly contemplating the possibility of scum!Calix, and then concludes null on NU/ myself (although he says that NU 'gives him town vibes'?) and his argument is "if they're TvT then it would be more obvious since they seem to know each other well"

#334 and #399 read like he's throwing shade on everyone in the NU/ Calix/ HF debacle. He throws up ideas where we could all be scum at certain points...but we have NO idea of where he actually stands.

This is lazy but I think he's a good candidate for scum atm.

On October 05 2016 00:55 batsnacks wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:26 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:14 batsnacks wrote:
Calix said that there was no specific evidence she could produce for NU abusing PMs as Mafia, even though she implied NU did this as Mafia before
Holyflare said "produce evidence or die"

Those events happened in that order. Maybe Mafia Holyflare knowingly issued Calix an impossible task to make the narrative for Calix being Mafia stronger? Anyway that's what I was thinking hopefully it makes sense.


Quote the posts please. I explicitly said that I had no specific evidence after HF's last post iirc.

On another note, Palmar is underwhelming as fuck so far. Wouldn't mind policy-lynching him.


No, this post was not against you. It was against HF. Read snacks's post again. It's about HF being aware that what he is asking you is impossible for you to deliver, thus making you appear mafia.

offski

Yeah this is also effective if holyflare is town though so I guess it depends whether or not town Holyflare thinks Calix is Mafia.

Holyflare wasn't wrong about anything he said it just seemed like a pretty dramatic way to be right. Calix wrote it off st the time as Holyflare being a dramatic person, I would probably be more concerned about it in her position.


HF is a dramatic person though? You're not actually faulting HF's arguments, you're just faulting his confidence which he can do as any alignment. (aka it's null) No idea why you're hung up on this.

Also how is your point 'effective' if your original point had HF as scum? I don't understand.

Actually there is less of that stuff in his filter than I remembered. But there are still quite a few posts I would label as typical town bats posts. Maybe I didn't use the correct words to describe the tone:
On October 04 2016 07:24 batsnacks wrote:
Just a scummy pop in post nothing to see here.

On October 04 2016 21:45 batsnacks wrote:
lol someone said "Power Wolf" that sounds like a sex thing

On October 04 2016 22:40 batsnacks wrote:
Also check out this skit I'm imagining

Mafia Calix goes after Mafia NU for dumb PM BS
People are town reading Mafia NU, Mafia Calix is going in too hard and getting heat
They buddy up and everything is suddenly fine after almost 24 hours of Calix scum reading NU for NAI reasons

Pretty good right?




First two look like typical shit-posts to me.

Third one is one of the reasons why I'm suspecting him.

So not terribly convinced here but I'll see.

The quality of the content doesn't necessarily correlate with the overall usefullness of a post to get a read. Those ARE shitposts. But in my experience town batsnacks is more likely to make shitposts like that. If you want to judge him on content you will have a bad time if he is town.


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On October 05 2016 01:26 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 01:23 Calix wrote:
I'm not bothered about his shit-posts; they don't factor into the main issues I have with him.

I just don't think they warrant a town-read unless you're saying that he's one of those types who is more serious as scum.

He is definitely one of thise types.


And on the heels of losing his confidence, he makes these two posts:

Soft-ball defense of batsnacks using his shit-posting, arguing that this shows batsnacks is less serious and thus is likely town.

His last post says that batsnacks is "definitely" one of the types to be more serious as scum. This is an odd shift in confidence from "having retracted [his confidence]" to now being sure that batsnacks acts in a certain way as scum.


Why should the fact that he improved his scumgame make me scumread him in a vacuum?

I retracted my confidence because there was less batsy stuff in his filter than I thought which I clearly stated btw.

The last two quotes are me explaining to you how to read batsnacks. This has nothing to do with any shift in confidence.


justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
October 05 2016 09:13 GMT
#834
On October 05 2016 18:09 Holyflare wrote:
That doesn't answer the question.

What's the point? Yes, I thought he could be mafia.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
October 05 2016 09:14 GMT
#836
And now I wasted almost the entire morning with this unnecessary bullshit. Great. I will have to do some work now. Will flesh out my reads on people when I find the time.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
October 05 2016 09:14 GMT
#837
On October 05 2016 18:13 Calix wrote:
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On October 05 2016 18:11 justanothertownie wrote:
Let's come to this post:
On October 05 2016 16:27 Calix wrote:
Not quotes but JAT has a lot of posts where he says "XYZ is behaving normally for them" or asking a question and then not going anywhere with them.

On October 05 2016 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:41 Calix wrote:
Also if anyone wants to comment on batsnacks' filter so far then knock yourself out.

0 problems with his filter so far. Generally town batsnacks doesn't give a fuck/is very sassy/self-confident while scum batsnacks tends to blend in immediately.
Not really conclusive since I think he was improving his game the last time I saw him as mafia but I wouldn't lynch him right now.


Here JAT's response is to characterise batsnacks as 'sassy and self-confident' (implying that these are accurate words to describe his filter).

He also notes that batsnacks had been 'improving his scum game' - an odd thing to note on someone that you claim to have 'no problems' with so far.

On October 05 2016 01:19 justanothertownie wrote:
I still maintain that I do not have a particular problem with his filter but I retract my confidence.


This doesn't make sense. He didn't have much confidence in his read to begin with (i.e., the comment about an improved mafia game) and how does one lose confidence without seeing a problem with the filter?

On October 05 2016 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 01:19 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 01:16 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 01:11 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:41 Calix wrote:
Also if anyone wants to comment on batsnacks' filter so far then knock yourself out.

0 problems with his filter so far. Generally town batsnacks doesn't give a fuck/is very sassy/self-confident while scum batsnacks tends to blend in immediately.
Not really conclusive since I think he was improving his game the last time I saw him as mafia but I wouldn't lynch him right now.


Eh?

I didn't get the impression that he was being that sassy or whatnot.

In fact, his filter is one that I'd characterise as "trying to blend in" so I don't relate to your impression of him. I don't have a 'case' per se but my impression of him is that he's popping in to make comments which sound okay by themselves but add up to a poor filter.

Namely he has a few pre-flip association theories which don't tell us much about where he actually stands on the players as individuals.

#266 pinged me because he doesn't really SAY anything in it. He waffles around, seemingly contemplating the possibility of scum!Calix, and then concludes null on NU/ myself (although he says that NU 'gives him town vibes'?) and his argument is "if they're TvT then it would be more obvious since they seem to know each other well"

#334 and #399 read like he's throwing shade on everyone in the NU/ Calix/ HF debacle. He throws up ideas where we could all be scum at certain points...but we have NO idea of where he actually stands.

This is lazy but I think he's a good candidate for scum atm.

On October 05 2016 00:55 batsnacks wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:26 Calix wrote:
[quote]

Quote the posts please. I explicitly said that I had no specific evidence after HF's last post iirc.

On another note, Palmar is underwhelming as fuck so far. Wouldn't mind policy-lynching him.


No, this post was not against you. It was against HF. Read snacks's post again. It's about HF being aware that what he is asking you is impossible for you to deliver, thus making you appear mafia.

offski

Yeah this is also effective if holyflare is town though so I guess it depends whether or not town Holyflare thinks Calix is Mafia.

Holyflare wasn't wrong about anything he said it just seemed like a pretty dramatic way to be right. Calix wrote it off st the time as Holyflare being a dramatic person, I would probably be more concerned about it in her position.


HF is a dramatic person though? You're not actually faulting HF's arguments, you're just faulting his confidence which he can do as any alignment. (aka it's null) No idea why you're hung up on this.

Also how is your point 'effective' if your original point had HF as scum? I don't understand.

Actually there is less of that stuff in his filter than I remembered. But there are still quite a few posts I would label as typical town bats posts. Maybe I didn't use the correct words to describe the tone:
On October 04 2016 07:24 batsnacks wrote:
Just a scummy pop in post nothing to see here.

On October 04 2016 21:45 batsnacks wrote:
lol someone said "Power Wolf" that sounds like a sex thing

On October 04 2016 22:40 batsnacks wrote:
Also check out this skit I'm imagining

Mafia Calix goes after Mafia NU for dumb PM BS
People are town reading Mafia NU, Mafia Calix is going in too hard and getting heat
They buddy up and everything is suddenly fine after almost 24 hours of Calix scum reading NU for NAI reasons

Pretty good right?




First two look like typical shit-posts to me.

Third one is one of the reasons why I'm suspecting him.

So not terribly convinced here but I'll see.

The quality of the content doesn't necessarily correlate with the overall usefullness of a post to get a read. Those ARE shitposts. But in my experience town batsnacks is more likely to make shitposts like that. If you want to judge him on content you will have a bad time if he is town.


On October 05 2016 01:26 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 01:23 Calix wrote:
I'm not bothered about his shit-posts; they don't factor into the main issues I have with him.

I just don't think they warrant a town-read unless you're saying that he's one of those types who is more serious as scum.

He is definitely one of thise types.


And on the heels of losing his confidence, he makes these two posts:

Soft-ball defense of batsnacks using his shit-posting, arguing that this shows batsnacks is less serious and thus is likely town.

His last post says that batsnacks is "definitely" one of the types to be more serious as scum. This is an odd shift in confidence from "having retracted [his confidence]" to now being sure that batsnacks acts in a certain way as scum.


Why should the fact that he improved his scumgame make me scumread him in a vacuum?

I retracted my confidence because there was less batsy stuff in his filter than I thought which I clearly stated btw.

The last two quotes are me explaining to you how to read batsnacks. This has nothing to do with any shift in confidence.




That's not what I was arguing. I think it's an odd thing to add onto a town read because it weakens said read. Nowhere did I suggest that you should scum-read batsnacks because he might have possibly improved his scum game.

Your other two points are not complete shite.

No u.
justanothertownie
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October 05 2016 09:18 GMT
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On October 05 2016 18:17 Calix wrote:
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On October 05 2016 18:12 Holyflare wrote:
Calix can you give me a rundown of your scum reads and why in some short sentences?


Pointless question, given that I have literally said "batsnacks and JAT are in cahoots"

I don't have a third full-on scum-read. I just think that this group [Koshi/ Palmar/ HF/ Stutters] have scum among them.

So your scumread on me is entirely based on this retarded association with batsnacks I take it?
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