[M][T] Haunted Mansion 3

On September 09 2016 07:25 Shapelog wrote:
Vivax point is good (or at least points out the inconsistent in agenda)

But you said the bold was NAI?


I can kinda understand the rest.

On September 09 2016 09:44 Tumblewood wrote:
like I always feel like "look trust me I'm town" and it's true but they don't read me like the people on TL do. it felt that way last game when everyone was blind.
can I request a vet to talk to? preferably after I get out of the shower

On September 09 2016 09:57 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I'm in two town-circles of people I don't even town-read, zzz.

Weird site.

On September 09 2016 12:10 fuba wrote:
Meh, I can live with that for now.

Only the "I like this post" part. Not a big deal.

On September 09 2016 14:11 Tumblewood wrote:

thank you for calling hf out. this is part of the reason I am paranoid. his claims come off as kinda skewed to fit his conclusion. not enough to pin him down as mafia though. grack, you can be town for now because you also had one post that made me laugh earlier

On September 09 2016 10:48 Holyflare wrote:
I will never in 1000 fiery years vote anyone other than ticktock today.

On September 09 2016 16:40 Superbia wrote:
Someone call me mafia and fight me.

On September 09 2016 17:14 Superbia wrote:


Boring.

On September 09 2016 16:43 Superbia wrote:
Also never protect me in the night bc I want the night kp. #townslip

On September 09 2016 17:34 Superbia wrote:
Doesn't even make sense. If you get killed by mafia you want revenge rite

On September 09 2016 18:24 Superbia wrote:
Fuck I'm already on a p3 filter. Oopserino.

On September 09 2016 19:20 Palmar wrote:

No, you get 1 kp throughout the game... I think?

On September 09 2016 19:24 Superbia wrote:
And grack is mafia

On September 09 2016 19:29 Palmar wrote:
lies.

with the power of the tl mafia db I have exposed you.

On September 09 2016 19:31 Palmar wrote:
I ctrl+f my name in the thread and some newbie is calling someone "as useless as Town-Palmar". I suppose my reputation goes far and wide.

#1 player

Any publicity is good publicity

On September 09 2016 21:40 Holyflare wrote:
Also Shapelog's wall of text that i did totally read (didn't really) looked shiny and promising. Someone that isn't me should read it.

On September 09 2016 21:46 Calix wrote:
I sure hope Grackaroni Dearest is working on some amazing post after he just proved my earlier point with 378 and 380

On September 09 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:


I've had three hours of sleep, which is my norm, and I am still contributing.

I'm not fishing for content for you to comment on when that's your job. Town should not reach out to a player, the player should reach out to the Town.

The lack of initiative is real.

On September 09 2016 22:27 Holyflare wrote:
The what now?

On September 09 2016 22:37 Holyflare wrote:
Like people picking up on the semantics of the wording are bad and should feel bad. Sure he didn't say that mechanics are useless but his mindset is off from what he's actually posting and it looks solely like he's trying to skate by with low content posts.

On September 09 2016 22:45 Calix wrote:


"I didn't defend him that hard, I just enacted a type of defense which is where I attack the accuser even though I haven't stated a town-read on the accused."

That's what I just got out of your post.

On September 10 2016 06:45 Vivax wrote:
Going to be ballsy and call town on Grack btw. I dived his scum game a short while back and it's nothing like him. He pretends to be helpful there. Here he's openly defiant, jokes, and even posts pictures.

HF is invited to fight me over this.

On September 10 2016 02:25 Holyflare wrote:
The only time I have seen someone defend someone so hard when they've done shit all the entire game and someone makes a case on them day 1 the defender has been mafia so probably Grack is actually the most suspicious of them all.

On September 09 2016 23:50 Vivax wrote:
Definitely not having the confidence HF has on TT based on so little. Remains nullish for me.

On September 09 2016 11:10 Holyflare wrote:
Read his filter and look at how forced it looks that he's giving out reads such as "I like this post" and similar crap.

On September 09 2016 09:47 Tictock wrote:


I'll give you a fairly lazy townlean for this post.

On September 09 2016 09:51 Tictock wrote:


I like this guy, this is a solid post.

---

Contrast to Skynx here


First to post, been around, fucks off without saying anything and right about when things start happening.

On September 09 2016 10:48 Holyflare wrote:
I will never in 1000 fiery years vote anyone other than ticktock today.

On September 10 2016 08:32 Holyflare wrote:


scummiest fucking thing in the universe that's what

On September 10 2016 09:28 Holyflare wrote:
but please tell me how any of what I posted is wrong and then maybe we can reach an understanding of how you are mafia

On September 10 2016 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
Grackaroni sin counter:

• Chainsaw defends an afk ticktock
  
• Hard defends an afk ticktock
  
• Tries to meta the best mafia player on the site off of 2 games when there's about 100 in my profile and database even though he's played about 20 with me
  
• Tries to base someone else's bad scummy play on HIS OWN meta as if everyone plays as badly as him:
  
  
  These were the posts in question. Does anyone agree with this assessment? They look like normal posts to me. I've definitely made posts like that as town.
  
  
  ^^^^^^^ WHO DOES THAT??????????
  
  
• On September 09 2016 22:41 Grackaroni wrote:
  

  Show nested quote +
  

  On September 09 2016 22:37 Holyflare wrote:
  Like people picking up on the semantics of the wording are bad and should feel bad. Sure he didn't say that mechanics are useless but his mindset is off from what he's actually posting and it looks solely like he's trying to skate by with low content posts.

  
  But which is it?! Is he trying to skate by with low content posts or is he not coming back from dinner?
  
  He did have a better start in that last game. If he's actually just bad at playing as mafia I'll vote him.
  
  Also I did not hard defend him. What I did is what we call in the business a "chain saw defense." The idea is to hit the accuser with the chain saw while the other scummer has him distracted.
  
  He acknowledges that Ticktock had a better start last game, completely and definitely better and ticktock has posted 0 new posts in this game yet grack is here hard defending ticktock from a push without letting him speak for himself despite agreeing with the sentiment that his two filters are different which would mean ticktock is actually mafia this game
  
  

Grackaroni mafia counter: Very, very, very high.

On November 26 2015 17:08 Tictock wrote:


I like this post ^.^

Marv prob town.

On September 15 2015 17:16 Tictock wrote:


I don't like this post

On September 16 2015 17:47 Tictock wrote:


I support this post.

On September 10 2016 09:36 Holyflare wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511964-onegu-is-the-best-host-mafia-part-2?user=Holyflare

BY THE WAY GUYS if Grackaroni's meta raeds weren't already 1000% genuine bull shit let's enlighten you to this filter!"

Here is Grackroni using something I said in this game to call my scummy:



Now, how about people open this said filter from my town game that Grackaroni uses to portray me as mafia and let's peruse the VERY FIRST PAGE LOL:




I am definitely the same in other games.

Strike one Grackaroni!

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NOW, I found a nice tidbit in my other game too:



this was from the Onegu game where I was town and pretty much have the exact same feelings as I do about Grackaroni in this game.

My play is almost the same (maybe I should try this tactic as mafia some day ) and somehow grack extrapolates that I'm mafia based on meta :D :D :D :D ok grack.

On September 10 2016 09:39 Holyflare wrote:



+ Show Spoiler +

hahahaha all things debunking this

On September 10 2016 09:12 Holyflare wrote:
are you actually being fucking serious?

he has no content to post, he's struggling with his entrance (look at his town game entrance completely different and actually has content?!?!) and his only substantial post of the game is something he specifically says is boring and that he hasn't read:

a) he's not going to post content like that while explaining that he skimmed over content like that it's a fucking bs mindset

b) he's not going to post content like that while explaining that he skimmed over content like that because he might be posting things people have already said.

SO what we have here is that ticktock has LIED about not reading the posts and has actually skimmed and knows what they've said OR he's not read them and then he's posting useless shit as his only content of the game that he said was boring that he knows full well other people COULD have said <------- and if THAT is the case then he's literally posting just for the sake of posting which, again, is a mafia mindset.

Who posts something like that after acknowledging that it already exists but not knowing their content? Mafia.


Perhaps you should actually read his god damn filter from his town game instead of harping on about how it's bs and overplayed when it's literally night and day differences between substantial reads from his town game and simple "Yeah I like that post" bs in this game. It's hilarious that you've actually for some reason looked at two of my previous games and ignored absolutely every other game I've ever played and concluded that I never do these kind of pushes as town when vivax has literally told you 3-4 times that I am this aggressive as either alignment whenever I want to be.

On September 10 2016 09:40 Holyflare wrote:
Simple facts are:

TT posted no content
TT's only posts wildly different from his town opening
TT posted something that he couldn't/shouldn't have posted because of what he said
TT has gone afk and done nothing

But... he's not mafia?

On September 10 2016 09:43 Holyflare wrote:
I am on a righteous crusade to lynch Grack and this train has no brakes.

TT/Grack may or may not be together and I can't decide based on unflipped associations but one of them is certainly mafia and it's increasingly looking like the guy hard defending an afk scummy poster.

On September 10 2016 10:19 Holyflare wrote:
My assumption, and it's a very logical assumption to make, is that he actually read/skimmed the entire thread and saw nobody made this point yet and as mafia found a way to look like he was contributing by posting "new information" since mafia love to blend and talk about mechanics.

Then all the other stuff I've posted about him too.

On September 10 2016 10:22 Holyflare wrote:
I can and might be wrong on you and I'm willing to admit that as a possibility too but Ticktock will never not be the lynch for me because unless you can prove my logic wrong then I'm not moving from it.

I will/should talk about other things too though.

On September 10 2016 10:35 Holyflare wrote:
Even though damdred is voting with me and saying names that I would like to lynch and names that I town read in general reading his posts make me think he's mafia because they just seem too nicey nice and wanting to be everyone's friend and trying to fit in rather than forming a real opinion and pushing it.

On September 10 2016 23:35 Damdred wrote:
Bet tt shows up last hour to try to wifom every one into voting someone else just like in storm.

Do not give in lynch tt

On September 10 2016 23:51 Damdred wrote:
Then he just gets lynched anyway

On September 11 2016 00:23 NeverUnlucky wrote:


If he flips both, you're the lynch plan, yes.

Calix should be the lynch today or tomorrow. No question here.

On September 11 2016 00:30 NeverUnlucky wrote:


Yes, I know.

What is your reads list like?

On September 10 2016 06:45 Vivax wrote:
Going to be ballsy and call town on Grack btw. I dived his scum game a short while back and it's nothing like him. He pretends to be helpful there. Here he's openly defiant, jokes, and even posts pictures.

HF is invited to fight me over this.

On September 11 2016 01:35 Palmar wrote:
Yeah I won't do much today

I'm probably going to:

a) sheep hf
b) lynch hf

That seems like the most reasonable plan. I'll maybe read a post or two by him later

On September 11 2016 03:48 Calix wrote:


I don't. What I was saying there is that there is enough doubt about TT's alignment that scum have room to make a more coordinated defense of TT/ attack of someone else. And I don't see why they wouldn't because bussing is a horrendous scum move.

Although if I'm to trust TW, you guys actually bus on D1? wtf

On September 11 2016 04:13 Palmar wrote:
yeah I'm not putting in effort enough today to change my mind and I was mildly attracted to HF's manliness before, so I'm just gonna sheep him.

On September 11 2016 04:25 Palmar wrote:
like the only reason damdred looks like mafia is because he hasn't said anything super smart yet that I remember. But there is the disclaimer I haven't actually read the game so whatever.

Basically I need him to make a good case or good point at some point.

On September 11 2016 04:32 Palmar wrote:
@Grack, can you tell me what I'm looking for? Logical inconsistencies? Tone problems?

On September 11 2016 04:42 Palmar wrote:
maybe fuba's mafia, can't remember a single post

On September 11 2016 04:47 Holyflare wrote:


Like that time you were so sure of lynching mafia hf in onegu 2 ok.

On February 16 2014 07:23 Grackaroni wrote:

Oh I have.
Keirathi
Yamato
WoS
HF

On February 19 2014 09:29 Holyflare wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Risen

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inb4 grack, risen, va and obs thread tell everyone scum team was obvious and about how "right" they were




Yes.

On February 19 2014 09:32 Grackaroni wrote:
First off, excellent inb4 by HolyFlare - This is the moment I wait for every game I sign up lol.












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On September 11 2016 05:12 Calix wrote:
Who cares if he's giving a middle finger? I'm not interested in a policy-lynch on an inactive that people are trying to dress up as a scum-read lynch. You're the first person who has actually called a spade a spade.

On September 11 2016 05:14 Palmar wrote:

It's not about that.

Tictock is objectively scummy.

He did that thing in the early game with the scumclaim. That's fine and all, and loads of people do it, but the only way it ever works out for town is if you then follow up by looking at the people who react to it. He did very little analysis following the claim.

He also did the whole "I'll talk more after dinner" and then disappeared. If he had just disappeared it wouldn't have meant anything, but because he claimed he'd be back it's clear he wanted to appear as if he was contributing.

Neither of these make him lock mafia, but both of them, combined with his short filter and poorly explained reads make him a pretty solid day 1 lynch. He is a high % mafia target.

On September 11 2016 05:16 Vivax wrote:
That post by Grack where he's indirectly bitch slapping Palmar gave me a real boner.
Why don't you just head for another lynch Grack? Marv isn't this game, so the worst case scenario is that your reads get flushed down the drain in the name of british patriotism in a HF vs Calix showdown.

On September 11 2016 05:25 Holyflare wrote:
Is tt gonna get modkill?

Should we vote elsewhere?

On September 10 2016 23:52 Grackaroni wrote:

But not if everyone thinks he would show up before the vote as scum. It's the perfect mind game!

On September 11 2016 05:32 Holyflare wrote:


I would most likely shoot Calix over tt.

On September 11 2016 05:35 Palmar wrote:
lol

On September 11 2016 05:45 Grackaroni wrote:
I'll just say that these guys are all town

Holyflare (2): Tumblewood, Grackaroni
Damdred (2): NeverUnlucky, Calix
Superbia (1) Vivax

I really don't think the TT lynch will end well.

On September 11 2016 05:55 Palmar wrote:

this is the most tempting offer in the universe, if only to make hf mad.

But town needs to win one, so I'm holding back my inner retardation.

On September 11 2016 06:08 Damdred wrote:
Can we not blame anyone, it was a push and a lynch. Tjats how the game goes tbh and being condescending towards hf will only cause a nuclear war.

But grac defending but not defending and calix chainsaw wifom defense is strange on retrospect

On September 11 2016 06:31 Superbia wrote:


Fucking hell. Were you one of the people who called me out on being mafia for attempting to look town? If so I expect you to have read the posts and know:

- THERE IS ONE ENTIRE TOWN SHOT IN THE ENTIRE GAME.
- You don't get your ONE check if you shoot.

On September 11 2016 06:34 Superbia wrote:
Isn't your super town vivax tunneling me? Why am I not interesting to you grack?

I think I called you mafia at some point earlier as well.

On September 11 2016 06:41 NeverUnlucky wrote:


Add Fuba to that list IMO.

You already know I am strongly against shooting N1, but if you do decide to shoot on that night, I would propose shooting Damdred/Shapelog.

On September 11 2016 06:45 Superbia wrote:


Marv.

On September 11 2016 06:56 Damdred wrote:


Let's not nAMe names lets just answer honestly

On July 25 2016 17:32 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote prplhz

This guy. This fucking guy.


Thoughts?

On July 25 2016 17:38 Koshi wrote:
I can't believe you were hidden for so long prplhz. Holy shit.

On July 25 2016 17:39 Koshi wrote:
hahaha

fucking lunatic and prplhz.


Jeezus how did I figure this out.

On July 25 2016 17:49 Koshi wrote:
prplhz is mafia.

And for all the insane fucking things Lunatic has done. I think he never ever once said anything about prplhz.


I am sure it is those 2. ggwpnore.
Fuck I can't believe it. Mafia can't hide forever I guess.

On August 10 2016 11:16 Shapelog wrote:

Well my boy. He is doing something called a "strip tease." Its when a female or male starts to undress very very slowly, to sexually arouse you. Now boy, knowing that you are my kin. You will most likely not see many of these during your life till you meet "the one." Therefore, whenever it happens, take the chance.

In this case, go get that tiger!

On September 11 2016 23:12 Palmar wrote:
Grack posts like mafia with the sass of a townie btw.

All his posts come at awkward times (like him casually dropping by while superbia and I were figuring out the mechanics, and most of his EOD posts), but he posts them like he's the king of the world and directly to me which means he's not afraid of me, which is something.

On September 12 2016 02:11 Holyflare wrote:


wow master of fucking dodging game changing points here

On September 12 2016 02:34 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Grack, role claim.

On September 12 2016 02:33 Holyflare wrote:
comment on my posts whore

On September 12 2016 02:39 Holyflare wrote:
nice mafia claim buddy

On September 12 2016 02:39 Holyflare wrote:
you can't steal phase 2!™

it's just going to be you calling me mafia again

On September 12 2016 02:43 Holyflare wrote:
so tumblewood is mafia? agree?

On September 10 2016 08:30 Grackaroni wrote:
I took some time to write up my perspective on this HF-TT thing.



First, I don't know where all of this hyperbole is coming from. I don't have much of any opinion on Ticktock. He made 5 meh posts at the start of the game.

The point of my post on HF's TT case was entirely in relation to HF because I think I had some valid points to make about HF from that case, which I will try to make clearer.

This was my view on TT's posts:


Really there's not much interesting in there. He makes 2 posts to say that he rolled scum. He makes 2 +1 posts. And then he gives some brief thoughts on the setup.

Now, there were three things from Holyflare that I did not like in the push that I alluded to earlier. The first one was this:






These were the posts in question. Does anyone agree with this assessment? They look like normal posts to me. I've definitely made posts like that as town.

The second thing was the focus on the talking about setup contradiction. Contradictions are only scummy if you can show some mafia motivation behind them. I don't see any here. I do, however, think you can pretty easily convince people that someone is scummy for contradicting themselves in some fluff post when their post shouldn't be viewed any differently than any other setup post. And frankly if you do think the contradiction was scummy (which I don't think you should), I will note that it wasn't even much of a contradiction to begin with. His main point was that we should just play the game like everyone is a VT.

The third thing was just the sheer certainty from Holyflare:

I mean this is just weird to me. It's entirely possible Holyflare is just really full of his reads but it's still a lot. He's carried out this push throughout the rest of the day (and me by extension.)

Now, here are what I view as the mafia motivations for the 3 points:

For point #1: He seems to be twisting the filter to try to make it sound scummier than it actually is.

For point #2: I think he is focusing on a contradiction that he can portray as scummy when I think he should be good enough to realize that it isn't very alignment indicative. TT said he didn't like talking about the setup and then said something about the setup. So what?

For point #3: As town in Onegu 2 he sat back for the start of the day and didn't really push anybody until quite late in the day when he questioned Lunatic. At the end he tried to start a last minute wagon on Glowingbear and was unable to overcome my amazing Kushm4sta squirm case (which failed badly, but his case also failed. Really it was an entire game of fails.)

As scum in Star Wars he made an early case on Tumblewood and was more proactive.

I do believe that HF could be more inclined to try to put himself in a good position as scum and may have jumped out of the gate a tad bit early. He definitely cares a lot about his mafia record.

So these were the points I was trying to make. I'm not even convinced that I want to lynch HF but I still wanted to post something to preempt his shennanies.

On September 10 2016 10:13 Grackaroni wrote:

I have no idea what you're trying to make out of this but all I see is hogwash. Really this seems like a whole lot of effort to try to portray some minor thing as some huge scum slip.

On September 11 2016 05:59 Palmar wrote:

no idea, it's still the best idea.

On September 09 2016 09:24 Tumblewood wrote:
there is one thing I have on Shapelog that makes me feel really smart. I think he is town because of his setup spec early game, because it shows that he is genuinely interested and not doing it for town cred because setup spec is generally something people scumread you for. not 100% but I'm sticking with it.
other people:
vivax is probably town just for tone and care-ness
calix looks town and NU looks scum to me. even though their entrances were the same from a surface-level point of view, calix feels more genuine and helpful.
Damdred interests me but I do not yet have feelings toward his alignment

On September 09 2016 09:31 Tumblewood wrote:
on second thought NU confuses me too much to call him scum

On September 10 2016 06:34 Tumblewood wrote:
damdred is disappointing enough that I think he is scum. yea, phone stuff, but ehhh for now damdred is scum

On September 10 2016 08:52 Tumblewood wrote:

gdi I can't lynch Damdred. he is consistently the least idiotic player in every game. look at this list. it's good. could use Hf but my paranoia taints my opinion

On September 11 2016 04:39 Tumblewood wrote:
and can someone + Show Spoiler [cough cough] + explain to me the process behind:
tw is scum -> vote tw -> fuck off for 36 hours -> guys vote tt

On September 12 2016 05:33 Holyflare wrote:
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

so we're in agreement with lynching tumblewood then grack zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

thanks for wasting my time

On September 12 2016 05:40 Holyflare wrote:


you know what a better strategy is? not bussing the better 1/3 of your mafia team when I could have just lynched tt regardless

On September 12 2016 05:38 Calix wrote:
Grack, do you have any reasoning on how HF being a retard with TT is something he would only do as mafia?

Because you say "his case is shit and he's pushing it way too hard" but when you get to the point where you say why it comes from scum!HF, you only use meta references which are terrible.

Do you have any reasoning for why it can't be town!HF tunneling?

Also I laugh at the line "TUMBLEWOOD IS THE ONLY PERSON BEING REASONABLE" in literally any context this game.

I appreciate you listing all of TW's terrible scum-reads though.

On September 12 2016 05:52 Calix wrote:
lol NU, you want to lynch me on my birthday? I see how it is.

On September 12 2016 06:10 NeverUnlucky wrote:


Is this another scumclaim?

On September 12 2016 06:21 Damdred wrote:
Calix was a good player, but a bad kill at this point imo unless they were medic dodging shooting someone like palmar or hf.

And as far as I know it was just super who thought calix was scum,bit he hasn't,been,back.

On September 12 2016 07:14 Vivax wrote:




This looks pretty bad and it stuck out to me almost immediately reading his filter now.
Cause the reasoning he applies to shape fits for superbia like a pair of dutch wood sandals. Except superbia had like 6 pages of setup spec that looked like he was having a seizure like some nutso genius a la rainman (even tho I didn't really buy it cause it didn't yield the same results as for a nutso genius).

I'd define this as "not being faithful towards his own reasons for reads". But don't really want to call him scum just for this when there's the chance we have a scumHF on the loose.

On September 12 2016 10:19 Grackaroni wrote:
Alright maybe I didn't solve the game. This game is going to be hard.

On September 11 2016 01:54 Damdred wrote:
It's cause I'm town and the scum team is scared of me.

Boo.

Also think palmar might be town rip the dream.

On September 11 2016 03:14 Damdred wrote:


Palmar can have a date with the noose Monday but not really going to consider him on a weekend and that's the main reason.

On September 12 2016 23:22 Tumblewood wrote:
this would be a useful question to ask: hf, as scum, would you have killed me for my reads?

On September 12 2016 23:24 Palmar wrote:

He pops in and gives sort of "status updates". It's a semi-scummy way to play but the little content I've read has been fine. I wish he would actually engage someone when he's in the thread, instead of just posting what feels like news pieces from fubaworld.

I don't know and I don't really care until I have a reason to lynch someone other than TW.

On September 11 2016 23:12 Palmar wrote:
Grack posts like mafia with the sass of a townie btw.

All his posts come at awkward times (like him casually dropping by while superbia and I were figuring out the mechanics, and most of his EOD posts), but he posts them like he's the king of the world and directly to me which means he's not afraid of me, which is something.

On September 13 2016 00:48 Holyflare wrote:


0/20 times, I would shit up the thread instead

On September 13 2016 00:59 Holyflare wrote:
A+ tactic

On September 13 2016 01:38 Vivax wrote:
Grack better be here now and read my cases if he announced he's going to look at other people.

It's upsetting that superbia is getting free TRs left and right when anyone looking at his posts should realize they are really low quality, shallow posts. Looks like only TW is stepping aside and considering him which buys him this day at the very least.

It's not hard to do what super does and inflate filter by posting in three lines what might as well have been in a single post. He doesn't look at new things between his posts a lot of the time, he just randomly splits its content many times. Just to quote one example:





He's also playing a very reactive game where he's rather going to get hung up on something somebody else posted and take a dump on it (for the good or the bad, as long as he has something to talk about).

Skimming the filter trying to find any instance of him going back, rereading something and displaying conclusions along with the appropriate quotes, it-just-doesn't-happen, while it would be scumhunting 101. He should know that he can't shape any opinion to fit his objectives with the way he's playing if he was town, and he's a capable town player usually.

On September 14 2016 04:04 Tumblewood wrote:
does anyone want to move to shape

On September 14 2016 04:29 Palmar wrote:
Like there isn't enough shitting up the thread going on. Either we're completely wrong and scum just sits back or scum is just a shitty bunch of inactive/under radar people

On September 14 2016 04:57 Superbia wrote:


How long did you think before daring to make this post?

On September 14 2016 05:31 Palmar wrote:
Grackaroni not delivering on the RNG is kinda scummy, but not lynching today.

I still think we should lynch Damdred. He is not a newbie, he KNOWS that the "don't give a shit" attitude can potentially get him off the hook. He also has, throughout the game, posted like he's the king of the world, while underdelivering reads and cases badly. Thus his fake confidence is fake.

On September 14 2016 07:21 Holyflare wrote:
Why am i not mafia anymore grack?

On September 14 2016 07:35 Holyflare wrote:
I wasn't in your list?

On September 14 2016 08:07 Holyflare wrote:


I didn't vote with them i voted for myself. I also voted before Skynx had even said anything. Damdy sounded towny and I simply voted the counter wagon. I didn't like some of his filter, i thought the vote could be wifom to put people off a team mate too.

Unless you think damdy is mafia too then I pretty much saved his life for no reason other than to look bad for voting with vivax who I'm not even scum reading incredibly much and less so if i decide damdred is town.

Simple fact is i voted mafia when i didn't need to

On September 14 2016 05:29 Holyflare wrote:
You're voting with a manipulated vote and expect to be town read?

On September 14 2016 05:32 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax ignoring manipulated votes and actual posts in the game noted.

On September 14 2016 08:28 Holyflare wrote:
I'm incredibly likely to die tonight anyway so please if you suspect me of anything shut the fuck up and wait because that's the obvious tell when i flip and throwing scum reads on me detracts that obviously.

On September 09 2016 09:24 Tumblewood wrote:
there is one thing I have on Shapelog that makes me feel really smart. I think he is town because of his setup spec early game, because it shows that he is genuinely interested and not doing it for town cred because setup spec is generally something people scumread you for. not 100% but I'm sticking with it.
other people:
vivax is probably town just for tone and care-ness
calix looks town and NU looks scum to me. even though their entrances were the same from a surface-level point of view, calix feels more genuine and helpful.
Damdred interests me but I do not yet have feelings toward his alignment

On September 15 2016 03:17 Grackaroni wrote:
By the way, I don't think TW ever makes this post at the start of the game while on a team with Shapelog.

On September 15 2016 03:58 Holyflare wrote:
I can only assume that instead of waiting for the obvious mafia night kill on me and doing what I said and shutting up to wait and see if they actually kill me you're instead trying to frame me as mafia for voting mafia before you for some peculiar reason (it's because you're mafia) and are going to keep me alive.

On September 15 2016 05:06 Holyflare wrote:


let me guess me and skynx somehow

shocker

On September 15 2016 06:23 Holyflare wrote:
all these kills are like top tier scrub mafia or vivax, same thing really

if anything it looks like NU kills too

On September 15 2016 06:41 Holyflare wrote:
wow you're so easily convinced by the guy that has no opinion on the mafia team that has two people left, why couldn't nu decide a kill?

On September 15 2016 10:18 NeverUnlucky wrote:


I don't understand why you make those conclusions.

I would find it suspicious that HF hasn't died in LYLO as scum has the possibility of disabling all protection. It seems like you are trying to frame HF here because you are giving YOUR reasoning to why HF wasn't killed and are expecting others to agree with it by presenting it as a fact.

Why would Vivax not think that?



I want to change alignment just to see that happening.

On September 15 2016 10:50 NeverUnlucky wrote:


You went from "Holyflare killed Skynx because in his mind he's going to look strange in LYLO for not dying even though nobody else is thinking that. " to "more plausible motive" in two posts. Inconsistent to say the least.



Why are you making a case/post if your goal is not to convince? You are marginalizing your own posts.



Yes, I understand that he's a great player. That doesn't make him scummy nor does it change my stance on him.

I never said that activity nor opinions were AI.

On September 15 2016 11:07 Holyflare wrote:
You just said vivax pulled Shapelog read out of his anus and somehow magiced away his town read and ditched his scum reads

But now I'm mafia because I made some good nk wifom and actually proved his read was bull shit?

On September 15 2016 11:10 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not the one being town read for voting on shape in fact it's quite the opposite. I also eliminated like my biggest scum read after proving his logic was trash. I never mentioned Shapelog despite my propensity to hard bus team mates but then decided to bus him for no reason to look awful voting with scum reads.

These are all my tactics that earn me best mafia player? Looks like trash inconsistencies to me.

On September 15 2016 11:14 Grackaroni wrote:

Who are you referring to here?

Well activity wise you are a very strong scum player. I still think you do a lot of stupid things like make reads you wouldn't make as town and I thought you were scum in the obs QT as well.

On September 15 2016 11:39 Holyflare wrote:


Quote reads or this is bull shit. I can explain every read and move I make.

As mafia I'm 100x more careful.

On September 15 2016 11:38 Holyflare wrote:


I never even mentioned anything about damdred.

I'm saying he bull shitted a reason to switch on his partner to look good later when Shapelog dies (could have been modkilled). He didn't wager damdred would look towny and me and skynx switch.

There's no way vivax TOWN READS Shapelog and goes to dinner and MAGICALLY finds a reason to scum read Shapelog who he town reads and who he got his main scum read (fuba) from. He showed absolutely no hesitancy when I told him the votes were manipulated either. None whatsoever.

On September 15 2016 12:00 Holyflare wrote:
No he lists someone as town and then never is mentioned again and then after dinner just appears?

On September 14 2016 01:51 Vivax wrote:
Palmar you usually keep your distance from me as if I had leprosy, now you find my stuff on fuba solid and even think I'm new and improved?

If your reads keep being wrong and you don't die in the night we will have a score to settle, you and I. Trying to be buds with me feels out of character you usually just ignore me or tell someone why I'm town, and then you never sound so praising (except when I'm smurfing and you don't know it's Vivax behind the name).





This led me to check on Palmar, cause it's the only thing I could find in Damdred so far that seems unexplained. His other reads seem set in stone except the one on Palmar here. Then I see the post where he says "remember your place peon" (lol) and proceeds to coach the guy, so I just think he's town, for that and for gut. Mafia Damdred is nice guy Damdred/fake anger Damdred. I also don't think he would randomly put my name out there for scum if he were mafia. He'd be more comfy just tring me all the time.

In other words, I think mafia is still super/fuba + shape/palmar/HF if alive for too long. Shape especially has dropped off a lot activity wise and if anyone is going to shenanny, shenanny on shape. I'll join you if I make it, at least one of the unreadables will be gone. Don't really have much else to add on him.

On September 14 2016 04:04 Tumblewood wrote:
does anyone want to move to shape

On September 15 2016 20:26 Palmar wrote:
I'm going to pretend Grack doesn't exist btw.

a) I don't really think he's mafia
b) he's bad

On September 16 2016 06:35 Damdred wrote:
And honestly his postings today seem towny, he's going after a harder target that if he gets his lynch and you flip town vivax doesn't have room to maneuver his way somewhere else.

Ges fighting in a way that looks like town trying to get his point across. And idk if I have ever seen vivax fight like this as scum (NOT A GOOD POINT).

Besides that reads don't always make sense and vivax and hf were on the right lynch yesterday so I don't want to lynch either of you,

On September 14 2016 07:44 Grackaroni wrote:
You voted Shapelog with skynk/tw/vivax after spending the better part of the EoD arguing these guys were mafia while also saying that the vs vote was a scum vote.

I don't see how you could ever agree with that lynch as town.

On September 14 2016 08:20 Grackaroni wrote:

When you're voting of course you are going to be considering who else is pushing on the wagon. You can't tell me that isn't a part of your thought process.

For the vengeful it doesn't look like that was what you were thinking pre-lynch. These were the only mentions of it.



I don't expect scum to always make smart decisions. I do expect town to make decisions consistent with their view of the game.

On September 16 2016 07:09 Damdred wrote:


Why should I do something by someone else's logic instead of what I think on a situation?

On September 12 2016 06:47 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Damdred/HF is a very possible scum-team given how much they buddied D1. Damdred is scummy by himself, and both have scumslipped. TODAY WE LYNCH DAMDRED.

On September 16 2016 07:58 Damdred wrote:
Well killing me is already a thing right?

But just generally speaking I find mafia more to understand the setup than town when they aren't paying attention.

In any case fuba being scum makes sense with a calix kill and wanting a Damdred lynch goes along with a skynx kill (also could point to an hf/palmar/vivax scum to but I'm not so sure on that onr)

On September 16 2016 11:30 NeverUnlucky wrote:
You're a Democrat, I like you.

On September 17 2016 02:33 fuba wrote:
I don't want to lynch damdred for reasons.

On September 16 2016 06:54 Grackaroni wrote:
Can Vivax do what Grackaroni could not? Find out next time on TL mafia.

On September 17 2016 01:20 Palmar wrote:
kill damdred

On September 11 2016 05:54 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok We're at 5-3 now. 2 more votes and we're at dead HF. I offer my undying love to anyone who votes HF, regardless of HF's alignment.

On September 17 2016 07:33 Superbia wrote:


Why doesn't this refer to HF? It's the top page. Also something about British?

On September 17 2016 07:34 NeverUnlucky wrote:


That makes more sense. Skynx thought HF was scum.

On September 18 2016 03:25 Palmar wrote:

I read it in a book

On September 18 2016 07:02 Palmar wrote:
oh

well fuck this

hf would have shot vivax, every time.

On September 18 2016 07:15 Tumblewood wrote:
and if tictock votes were all pure, how would he know that (aka, is this a certain thing or opinion)?

On September 19 2016 07:35 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Why are you so sure he's mafia? He has done nothing AI this game. Only his voting pattern is telling.