[M][T] Haunted Mansion 3

Phase 2: Super cocky Grackalicious game is now totally solved. Get on my level, please - edition.

(In all seriousness I could still be a huge noob, but I've played scum with both of these fuckers and I'm totally probably right.)

First: The rehash for the clinically lazy. If you are not named Palmar you can probably skip over this part. (To be fair I haven't read a lot too, but I didn't ignore anyone trying to direct me to their lynch.)

On September 10 2016 08:30 Grackaroni wrote:
I took some time to write up my perspective on this HF-TT thing.

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First, I don't know where all of this hyperbole is coming from. I don't have much of any opinion on Ticktock. He made 5 meh posts at the start of the game.

The point of my post on HF's TT case was entirely in relation to HF because I think I had some valid points to make about HF from that case, which I will try to make clearer.

This was my view on TT's posts:

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Really there's not much interesting in there. He makes 2 posts to say that he rolled scum. He makes 2 +1 posts. And then he gives some brief thoughts on the setup.

Now, there were three things from Holyflare that I did not like in the push that I alluded to earlier. The first one was this:

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On September 09 2016 09:51 Tictock wrote:

On September 09 2016 07:00 NeverUnlucky wrote:

On September 09 2016 06:46 Vivax wrote:

On September 09 2016 06:37 Calix wrote:
It doesn't look like you guys do RVS and I don't relate to the few posts being made so far, so I'l just chip in with some thoughts on the setup. Not seeing anything particularly eye-popping aside from the following:

- Names aren't allowed in Last Wills but if you wanted to reference a player (e.g., say you're a Sheriff-Vig who wanted to say "I checked X/ this player is innocent/ guilty") then you could quote some post numbers by said player, quote something they said, etc. I don't think LWs will be that useful for the protectives unless nobody died on a certain night because telling the scum who was protected last night in the event of a kill just needlessly gives the scum information on what the healing roles are thinking. If anyone knows what the Doctor roles would even need to tell the town (aside from telling us who they scum-read or something) then I'm all ears.

- There's always the chance that the scum can interfere with the message being given. Although they can only rewrite LWs twice, we can't rely on the LWs much but I think it's good to establish a way for the dead townies to communicate with the rest of the thread because I'm not seeing a way that the scum manipulation of the LWs/ votes can be prevented.

- We might want to be careful with policy lynching apathetic/ inactive players or being sloppy with CFDs in general. I've been told that TL is more open to policy lynches compared to where I come from, but since lynched players become Sheriff-Vigs, I think it would be suboptimal play to give lazy players a KPN in the early stages. This point might be moot, however, as I don't know how anyone here plays or if anyone would qualify as policy-lynch material. (save for NU who I wouldn't consider a policy lynch)

Anyway, hi. It's pretty late for me so if I randomly drop off, don't be surprised.

Bolded seems like fluff tbh cause you don't seem to have any own ideas to contribute for this part.

"we have to find out what to do" . Who would've thought.

Your last point is also pretty uninformative. It's like you're suggesting not to lynch. Doesn't look as bad as your second though. But still.

You get a bit of benefit of the doubt for this being your first game here, but if somebody is meh for me right now it's you.

Also, she infered that town had PRs before they were lynched which shows she didn't correctly read the setup. It's NAI, but

To add to your point about her fluff: she used words like "we" -- Scum tend to use those words more than town to fit in the group. Scum!Calix uses "we" a lot.

She ends her post with an excuse to why she wouldn't post in the upcoming hours. It's something scum tends to do more, but it still is NAI.

Scum-reading Calix.

@Vivax, don't give me or her the benefit of the doubt because we're "new", we aren't. We're both familiar to mafia. Giving either of us (especially her) a chance, it could be all we need to fly under your radar.

I like this guy, this is a solid post.

Contrast to Skynx here

On September 09 2016 07:01 Skynx wrote:
Nothing good on tv/twitch and you guys are no fun, I'm offski to bed.

First to post, been around, fucks off without saying anything and right about when things start happening.

These were the posts in question. Does anyone agree with this assessment? They look like normal posts to me. I've definitely made posts like that as town.

The second thing was the focus on the talking about setup contradiction. Contradictions are only scummy if you can show some mafia motivation behind them. I don't see any here. I do, however, think you can pretty easily convince people that someone is scummy for contradicting themselves in some fluff post when their post shouldn't be viewed any differently than any other setup post. And frankly if you do think the contradiction was scummy (which I don't think you should), I will note that it wasn't even much of a contradiction to begin with. His main point was that we should just play the game like everyone is a VT.

The third thing was just the sheer certainty from Holyflare:

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I mean this is just weird to me. It's entirely possible Holyflare is just really full of his reads but it's still a lot. He's carried out this push throughout the rest of the day (and me by extension.)

Now, here are what I view as the mafia motivations for the 3 points:

For point #1: He seems to be twisting the filter to try to make it sound scummier than it actually is.

For point #2: I think he is focusing on a contradiction that he can portray as scummy when I think he should be good enough to realize that it isn't very alignment indicative. TT said he didn't like talking about the setup and then said something about the setup. So what?

For point #3: As town in Onegu 2 he sat back for the start of the day and didn't really push anybody until quite late in the day when he questioned Lunatic. At the end he tried to start a last minute wagon on Glowingbear and was unable to overcome my amazing Kushm4sta squirm case (which failed badly, but his case also failed. Really it was an entire game of fails.)

As scum in Star Wars he made an early case on Tumblewood and was more proactive.

I do believe that HF could be more inclined to try to put himself in a good position as scum and may have jumped out of the gate a tad bit early. He definitely cares a lot about his mafia record.

So these were the points I was trying to make. I'm not even convinced that I want to lynch HF but I still wanted to post something to preempt his shennanies.

For the non-lazy, this should be a concise summary that shows why HF is mafia.

On September 10 2016 10:13 Grackaroni wrote:

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I have no idea what you're trying to make out of this but all I see is hogwash. Really this seems like a whole lot of effort to try to portray some minor thing as some huge scum slip.

The thing that truly solidified the HF read for me was the way he was arguing with me yesterday. The way that he tried to nit pick on any little discrepancy he could find to discredit me gave me war flashbacks to the survivor series mafia game I was talking about earlier. I looked through Onegu 2 again and he didn't do this when I accused him then as town.

Now for the Tumblewood part:

After the lynch I was starting to realize that it's really unlikely that all 3 mafia voted for TT.
I am lumping the Palmar vote as a vote for TT because even though he switched he didn't actually make any effort to lynch a non-TT person.

On September 11 2016 05:59 Palmar wrote:

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no idea, it's still the best idea.

Then I was reading through Shapelog's filter and he was making a lot of good points. Therefore I am crediting Shapelog with the assist on this one. At first I was thinking, the only person being reasonable in this game is Tumblewood. But then it hit me. THE ONLY PERSON BEING REASONABLE IN THIS GAME IS TUMBLEWOOD!

Since when is Tumblewood ever fucking reasonable? When he's bussing! Nobody else in the game has been able to figure out HF yet. I guarantee that if these two rolled scum together they are going to bus heavily.

Plus whenever TW has tried to put out a non-HF scum read this game it's seemed bad to me. There's one where he thinks NU could be scum from tone that he rescinds because he can't understand him. There's another on Damdred that he rescinds after Damdred posts a super useless list. And then there's a third on Super for not voting him instead of TT when Super has been calling both TW and TT mafia together.

On September 09 2016 09:24 Tumblewood wrote:
there is one thing I have on Shapelog that makes me feel really smart. I think he is town because of his setup spec early game, because it shows that he is genuinely interested and not doing it for town cred because setup spec is generally something people scumread you for. not 100% but I'm sticking with it.
other people:
vivax is probably town just for tone and care-ness
calix looks town and NU looks scum to me. even though their entrances were the same from a surface-level point of view, calix feels more genuine and helpful.
Damdred interests me but I do not yet have feelings toward his alignment

On September 09 2016 09:31 Tumblewood wrote:
on second thought NU confuses me too much to call him scum

On September 10 2016 06:34 Tumblewood wrote:
damdred is disappointing enough that I think he is scum. yea, phone stuff, but ehhh for now damdred is scum

On September 10 2016 08:52 Tumblewood wrote:

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gdi I can't lynch Damdred. he is consistently the least idiotic player in every game. look at this list. it's good. could use Hf but my paranoia taints my opinion

On September 11 2016 04:39 Tumblewood wrote:
and can someone + Show Spoiler [cough cough] +

superbia

explain to me the process behind:
tw is scum -> vote tw -> fuck off for 36 hours -> guys vote tt

Plus HF is actually right that writing a town case on Calix right now is a weird thing to do. So that's where I'm at right now. The third is probably somebody super boring like Damdred or Palmar.

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