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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 25 2016 20:09 GMT
#569
On September 26 2016 05:07 Calix wrote:
xanatos pls, if you want a second target then say one instead of doing "well maybe scottie but nah but if enough people think so" lol you sound like jealous


I'm jealous?

DanelerH or Jealous would prolly be the best secondary targets, but personally I prefer Lunatic atm, so this is fine.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 25 2016 20:09 GMT
#571
On September 26 2016 05:09 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 05:07 Calix wrote:
xanatos pls, if you want a second target then say one instead of doing "well maybe scottie but nah but if enough people think so" lol you sound like jealous


I'm jealous?

DanelerH or Jealous would prolly be the best secondary targets, but personally I prefer Lunatic atm, so this is fine.


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lol
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 25 2016 20:10 GMT
#572
On September 26 2016 05:09 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 05:09 Xatalos wrote:
On September 26 2016 05:07 Calix wrote:
xanatos pls, if you want a second target then say one instead of doing "well maybe scottie but nah but if enough people think so" lol you sound like jealous


I'm jealous?

DanelerH or Jealous would prolly be the best secondary targets, but personally I prefer Lunatic atm, so this is fine.


[image loading]


lol


Huh, it didn't work.

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"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 25 2016 20:12 GMT
#573
On September 26 2016 05:09 Calix wrote:
also going 'it's for vca' might tip off the scum so future votes will be tainted by teh WIFOM


I guess so. Hm. I wonder, should prolly check how the votes were made so far.....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 25 2016 20:14 GMT
#575
On September 26 2016 05:12 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 05:06 Xatalos wrote:
Meh, the vote distribution is a bit questionable, but it could just be that the scumteam is too toothless. It would kind of be preferable to have a close race, though, for future vote analysis... But I'm not really confident with scott as the second target... Well, if enough people are, that would be good enough.


I thought this a bit last night - But Skynx wants to like DYH instead - Superbia wants to lynch me instead - Ptmc has his vote on another wagon - etc.There's only three scum. We still have three people who haven't voted. They really can't defend him hard without looking really bad if he flips scum.


Yeah, I guess the wagon would be a bit too powerful to do anything without bigger risks.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 25 2016 20:15 GMT
#576
Wait... Soul's vote is still the random vote? lol
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 25 2016 20:16 GMT
#578
nvm
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 25 2016 20:20 GMT
#583
On September 26 2016 05:19 DanelerH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 04:51 Rels wrote:
On September 26 2016 04:45 DanelerH wrote:
On September 26 2016 04:32 Rels wrote:
On September 26 2016 04:23 DanelerH wrote:
I've managed to catch up on the game and I've gone through everyone's filters. These are the reads I've gotten:

Town
Calix, Jealous, Rels, Xalatos - They all seem to be actively hunting for Mafia. In addition, Calix and Rels are looking for clarification on various points to assist in this.

Leaning Town
Scott - Same reason as for the above four, but there isn't as much in xyr filter to go off of.

Null
Ptmc, SoulEaterQUEEN, Skynx, DoYouHas, Superbia - I can get a good read on any of them. There doesn't seem to be much indicative of them being either Town or Mafia.

Leaning Mafia
Stutters - I don't like the reaction-testing xe was doing. Xe revealed it extremely quickly afterward (possibly as an attempt to cover up the original suggestion, though that might be stretching it a bit). Xe said the results of the reactions xe got were to-be-determined, but hasn't said anything about them since.

Mafia
##Vote Lunaticman

Did you read the whole thread ? There is nothing here. Why are you voting for Lunatic ? Why isn't there any basis for your reads apart from:
- a generic one (they appear to be scumhunting, which TBH seems more like "they posted a lot" since Jealous is in this list)
- an event that happened like 40 hours ago (the stutters reaction test)


In order:
Yes, I read the thread.
We've already discussed the reasons to vote for Lunatic. I didn't feel it was necessary to repeat them.
Because those are the most indicative to me. Unfortunately, I don't know other things to look for.
As for the reaction-test, I felt this one was important. Stutters claimed xe said something controversial to get reactions. This went nowhere, was cut off extremely quickly, and, despite having said that the reactions were going to be found later, xe hasn't said anything about the results of it.

There were plenty to discuss in all those pages though. The most recent thing for example was Calix' case on DYH ? What's your opinion on it ?


It makes sense, so I decided to look over DYH again, while keeping this case in mind. When doing so, I found a post that I want to pair with it:

Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 04:24 DoYouHas wrote:
@Calix - My read on SEQ in the post you looked at is in no way null. I described him as jumping in with both feet and actively scumhunting. Those are town attributes.


This was in response to the following portion of Calix's case: + Show Spoiler +

349 is where his SEQ read is and he's saying 'he doesn't bother me at all' but i don't know wherever that's a town or scum read (this is a theme) and this is the most wordy post he's made the entire game and that's his bigger contribution that he bargained for and its not even that good. If it's a null read then why waste time when you could talk about scum-reads (which he has not done at all lol) and if it's a town read then it's not clear at all. His priorities don't make any sense is what I am saying here.


The strange thing about this is when looking at it along with the first part of Calix's case: + Show Spoiler +

What makes me suspicious is 342 because he was like "hai Sutters I'll talk about your scum-read SEQ if you talk about ptmc" and that's weird because he isn't scum-reading ptmc (so not sure why he asked) and he's not reallg using his initiative - if you have thoughts then why not just post them instead of doing some weird 1-1 trade thing? Ithink this shows some lacking of initiative here.


This is what I was getting onto Lunatic about earlier. If you have a Town-read on someone, why not just say it and the reasons for it? Getting back to Calix's case, why offer the read in a trade? It's completely pointless.


Hm. Pointless = scummy?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 25 2016 20:21 GMT
#585
On September 26 2016 05:20 ptmc wrote:
So i take it lunatic did not provide any reasonable explanations?


Pretty much raged about being questioned and went offline.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 25 2016 20:32 GMT
#590
On September 26 2016 05:26 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 05:21 Superbia wrote:
On September 26 2016 05:12 scott31337 wrote:
On September 26 2016 05:06 Xatalos wrote:
Meh, the vote distribution is a bit questionable, but it could just be that the scumteam is too toothless. It would kind of be preferable to have a close race, though, for future vote analysis... But I'm not really confident with scott as the second target... Well, if enough people are, that would be good enough.


I thought this a bit last night - But Skynx wants to like DYH instead - Superbia wants to lynch me instead - Ptmc has his vote on another wagon - etc.There's only three scum. We still have three people who haven't voted. They really can't defend him hard without looking really bad if he flips scum.


What are you saying here?


Pls respond


I think he just meant that the wagon is too strong to be overturned by potential scummates?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 25 2016 20:58 GMT
#598
Well, looks like it's quite decisive now. Let's hope the odds are in our favor. Gonna be AFK for a bit, but back before deadline.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 25 2016 21:32 GMT
#608
Jealous: can't really follow your "second wagon" thingy... I think it's theoretically always better to have about two wagons and the situation being town vs scum if possible for maximum benefits. This time it's not really feasible, but in general.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 25 2016 21:50 GMT
#614
On September 26 2016 06:45 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 06:32 Xatalos wrote:
Jealous: can't really follow your "second wagon" thingy... I think it's theoretically always better to have about two wagons and the situation being town vs scum if possible for maximum benefits. This time it's not really feasible, but in general.

You might be right in theory but I feel the way you went about it was off and as you just acknowledged, not feasible. I'm curious because if you know it wasn't possible, why propose it? I don't think even newbie scum would fall such an obvious trap, if that's what it was.


Dunno. Didn't really have much else to talk about. I didn't even mean it as a trap, simply to possibly force scum mistakes by making the situation more hectic and unpredictable... But yeah, it was pretty much set in stone at that point anyway.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 25 2016 22:01 GMT
#621
Nice, this started easy :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 25 2016 22:01 GMT
#623
lol @ the comic
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 25 2016 22:07 GMT
#630
On September 26 2016 07:03 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.

Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.



Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.

Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.

I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.

This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!

This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.


Hmmmm


I guess Stutters and Skynx look a bit better after the flip... Maybe DanelerH too. Hmmm...

Lunatic didn't do too much though, so it's not too hard to fake what little he did... But at least I kind of doubt he would immediately claim his teammate as an "obvious townie"...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 25 2016 22:07 GMT
#631
Well, gonna sleep on this too. gn
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 26 2016 08:56 GMT
#675
On September 26 2016 06:18 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 05:53 scott31337 wrote:
On September 26 2016 05:48 Jealous wrote:
## Vote Lunaticman


Want to post any other thoughts on the game Jealous?

I've posted what I deem a sufficient amount about Lunaticman prior to the vote; I actually voted for him in this thread much earlier than most of you, from what I can tell, but I forgot that I have to vote in the other thread. As far as my thoughts as I'm catching up, here's what I have (pretty loose, not on a PC until tomorrow and working until then):

Scott - In my experience Scott is always a man of few words so I don't feel his brevity is AI.

Superbia - welcome back, his type of spam might be what this game needed to be revitalized. I would like to see him speaking more specifically and referencing posts more clearly beyond just saying "I read his filter and I feel x." He also has the convenience of arriving into the thread when everything is more or less set in stone. But, because I myself am busy, I can relate.

Calix - am slightly surprised by her willingness to judge me for not being very confident or conclusive on people in D1 as I feel she knows me well enough to know that this isn't out of the norm. D2 is when I always do a lot of work, so I don't mind that you guys (particularly Rels) are giving me some crap over being soft-spoken because that will all change when I have concrete things to work off of and tie to posts.

Daneler - might be riding on the good feels he got from my posts before I became inactive, but he should have picked up on the general turn of town's opinion on me and the fact that it is reasonable I'm a vacuum. I agree with Rels that I wasn't a big fan of his list post.

Rels - staying on the ball and being assertive with his position, which I like. His going after me is forgivable because as I said it is justifiable and will not be the case come D2.

Xan - it's awkward for me to look back on my phone to make sure that it was him trying to create a second train, but if it was indeed him I'd have to say it seems like a stupid thing to attempt so openly and at this juncture. Stupidity isn't necessarily AI but in theory, taking votes off Lunaticman and creating the potential for shennanies (which are popular on TL and thus unfortunately not always AI)... Could be a dumb scum move. If it was not Xan who did this, attribute the same reasoning to whoever else it was that initiated this thought, and apologies to Xan.

Stutter - still haven't seen anything from him that would make me change my mind about him being my #2 lynch pick.

Nothing that I recall off the top of my head sticks out, but I'm not fully caught up so maybe I'll add some more as I walk to the store before EoD.


Hmm. Looking back on this, it does seem pretty odd. I mean... The scumread(?) on me is apparently based on the fact that I entertained the thought of having two wagons rather than just all votes on Lunatic for more useful vote analysis (no matter Lunatic's alignment, this vote distribution wouldn't tell much regarding the voters' alignments at that rate). However... Jealous feels like he already knows Lunatic's alignment here and prepares for future pushes a bit prematurely... I mean... The whole premise is that any vote off of Lunatic = scummy, despite the fact that Lunatic's alignment was unknown, it wouldn't be scummy even if Lunatic was scum (provided that he would still have the majority of votes) and I wasn't even prepared to vote Scott personally as the second wagon like had been suggested... It's just an odd accusation that feels somehow like Jealous knew what Lunatic would flip beforehand and prepared based on that knowledge. Hm.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 26 2016 09:05 GMT
#676
On September 26 2016 04:18 DoYouHas wrote:
##Vote: Luna

Kind of a shame, in my head he was going to come back strong today and I was going to be able to make a case for Dane over him. But every hour that goes by without him contributing makes it more and more likely he flips scum.


Hm, yeah, I guess this is one of the worst votes on Lunatic. Reminds me of how I voted on my scummate with the wording "It's too bad but looks like he's scum" a long time ago :D

I wonder, is the only reasoning here that he went away later in the day?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 26 2016 09:08 GMT
#677
On September 26 2016 03:58 DoYouHas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 03:50 Superbia wrote:
I am so fucking confused as to why no one has called me mafia yet this game and now everyone is reacting like this.

???

Oh well.


Activity levels are low and there are better lynch targets than you, especially if your going to ramp up.

DH's tunnel onto Luna is very contrived with no follow through. Pair that with his questionable early posting and it feels like scum to me. Maybe he brings something to the table before deadline now, but it feels like he tunneled just long enough to get the spotlight on someone else then disappeared.

Luna made an anti-town play and has essentially shut down since coming under the displeasure of the thread, making him a very reasonable lynch and possible scum. I don't think making a meta read is in any way alignment indicative but I appear to be in the minority on that.

Jealous started with fluff, then stirred the pot, and finished by being super non-commital. Townies should be trusting there own judgement over that of people's whose alignments are uncertain. Also potentially scum.


Well, to be fair, DYH did already list Lunatic as potential scum earlier.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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