On October 02 2016 04:30 Stutters695 wrote: I'm town guys. I truly am sorry for not being more active.
Anyway, once I flip town:
Lynch Scott. Last scum is hiding somewhere between Skynx, ptmc, TT and jealous. I'll try to read them before I get lynched.
Don't lynch Xata tomorrow.
##vote: scott31337
Please start shooting townie rainbows all over me to A) prevent me from having to do something possibly stupid if you're town and especially to B) make sure you're actually town and I'm not doing something truly terrible. If you can do that, that would be the absolute best scenario.
Just don't lol. It's ok if I die.
This post actually changes some things.
But ask yourselves: would scum stutters make this post? Or would town stutters?
I'm sorry Xat, I just don't believe it's a coincidence Stutters shows up acting like he's got reads almost as soon as his counter wagon looses about the only steam it had going for it.
Everything he's said is just pulling shit off the top of his head.
To answer that question, scum!Stutters would do anything he has to to stay alive right now. I mean I think the post he made right before that said he had to vote Scott kus surviving was pretty important.
On October 02 2016 04:30 Stutters695 wrote: I'm town guys. I truly am sorry for not being more active.
Anyway, once I flip town:
Lynch Scott. Last scum is hiding somewhere between Skynx, ptmc, TT and jealous. I'll try to read them before I get lynched.
Don't lynch Xata tomorrow.
##vote: scott31337
Please start shooting townie rainbows all over me to A) prevent me from having to do something possibly stupid if you're town and especially to B) make sure you're actually town and I'm not doing something truly terrible. If you can do that, that would be the absolute best scenario.
Just don't lol. It's ok if I die.
Really?
I barely played and people here don't take stock in meta reads. It wouldn't do much good I'd wager.
ANY WHY THE FUCK DO YOU SEEM TO KNOW WHAT XATA IS TALKING ABOUT!!!
On October 02 2016 04:30 Stutters695 wrote: I'm town guys. I truly am sorry for not being more active.
Anyway, once I flip town:
Lynch Scott. Last scum is hiding somewhere between Skynx, ptmc, TT and jealous. I'll try to read them before I get lynched.
Don't lynch Xata tomorrow.
##vote: scott31337
Please start shooting townie rainbows all over me to A) prevent me from having to do something possibly stupid if you're town and especially to B) make sure you're actually town and I'm not doing something truly terrible. If you can do that, that would be the absolute best scenario.
Just don't lol. It's ok if I die.
This post actually changes some things.
But ask yourselves: would scum stutters make this post? Or would town stutters?
I'm sorry Xat, I just don't believe it's a coincidence Stutters shows up acting like he's got reads almost as soon as his counter wagon looses about the only steam it had going for it.
Everything he's said is just pulling shit off the top of his head.
To answer that question, scum!Stutters would do anything he has to to stay alive right now. I mean I think the post he made right before that said he had to vote Scott kus surviving was pretty important.
scum!Stutters would have never let it get to this point lol. This type of town is the easiest to coast through unnoticed because of the activity level.
The hypocrisy is so real right now...
I'm leaving kus I'm not even being constructive anymore. I might consider looking at your posts if you flip town Stutters. I have a hard time believing you'll find anything worthwhile to say in 2 hours though.
On October 02 2016 06:35 Jealous wrote: Both cases have pretty big holes imo, and both Scott and a stutters are doing a decent job of playing town coming towards eod. Overall, I'd have to say the case on Scott is marginally stronger, and I'm surprised Calix is defending him like this. Maybe Calix thinks her trains are always best trains, which I can empathize with. Anyway, I'm voting for what I see not what I presume.
I am quite disappointed with this...
Can you at least elaborate on what the holes in the cases where, and why Scott is stronger in your mind?
Fair chance I get shot tonight so here are my final thoughts if that is the case.
I really think a Scott/Xata team makes sense. Before you say this is a silly team as they called each other scum in the last phase, take a look at their posts. Scott's posts first started me on this line of thought, and it's why I flipped my read on him and wrote a case, so some of this is found in there. Simply put Scott did jack all with his read on Xata and instead posted bull about Stutters. The logic on Xata's scum read is the same (I'll talk more about it in his individual read). The weak bit here is that Xata was pretty willing to vote Scott in the end, so maybe not...
In the chance that I'm totally on the wrong track with those two I really only have some tinfoil on Calix and Jealous to fall back on. It's really just a feeling I haven't looked into the idea much because it seems really out there. Mostly I mention this because this game has evened out, Town only has 2 mislynches before they loose, it's time to revisit townreads if only to find better reason to TR them.
Calix is a newcomer to this site, but is clearly very experienced with mafia. Everything I read her posts I feel like everything is being very carefully considered and weighed. Other than tone though I really only have the early vote on Lunatic D1 to backup this townread.
Overall, even with the paranoia and tinfoil I mentioned, I'm pretty sure Calix is town. Pretty much who I expect to die if not me tonight.
Light poster, hopefully doesn't turn into another Stutters. I checked some stuff from him earlier and I just got townfeels from everything I saw. Reviewing things now I feel pretty confident he's town. Not only did he push Lunatic early on but the response from Lunatic def doesn't look like he's responding to a teammate.
I'm not sure anyone is even scumreading this guy. For a newcomer his play is highly engaged and impressive. His level of involvement and pushing his own ideas basically almost never comes from newbie scum imo.
I checked some stuff from him earlier and I just got townfeels from everything I saw. I guess it's mostly tone that has had me townreading Jealous.
I've kinda lost the townfeels lately so a filter review is in order here (not sure I've actually done one for Jealous yet).
Wow, reading Jealous's filter, I actually really hate it >.< There is very little original or critical thought in his posts, I feel like there is no passion or interest in his scumreads they just go with the flow basically.
This guy def deserves some pressure and scrutiny, I really get the feeling he's just sliding by. Looking at his reads I could totally see a Jeal/Xata team, Xata floats around Scum to null in almost all of Jealous' reads and his reads on Xata all feel really weird and forced without any followup.
Yolo tone read, dude is town. Actually this is probably pretty meta based, I caught Skynx in his first scumgame, he was nowhere near this carefree and conscience as scum. Have a hard time believing his scumgame would improve so much so quickly (no offense). He's town.
I decided to give Xata some space yesterday and see what happened. What I saw was him continue to push Skynx despite calling his own case on skynx bad, and despite calling Scott scum made no effort to explain why. When I questioned him about their relative post strength he made the same conclusion I did (Scott looked worse) but did absolutely nothing to go further. In fact he waited till I made my big case on Scott and basically went "Sure, looks good" nothing more about skynx.
Contrast this lack of scumhunting to his towncase on Stutters.
Plenty of other stuff to discuss here, but that is the strongest thing in my mind right now.
I made a big case, I'm not gunna recap that stuff I think it still stands but...
I think there is still a chance Scott is town. His reaction to my push feels pretty towny to me. I dislike his last post where he is showing signs of giving up, but I have seen that from town Scott before despite it being a fairly anti-town attitude imo.
I'm actually gunna go with the scumteam Lunatic/Jealous/Xata for post game cred here. Reviewing Jealous' filter made this seem really likely. Plus my earlier team of Xata/Scott is kinda weak when you look at how easily Xata was willing to lynch Scott.
Xata is my preferred lynch, I've tried a few times now to convince myself he is town but still can't do it. The only staws I can grasp at are his activity and that he was so willing to draw attention to himself with the stutters stuff. Still those fall apart when you look at the actual content, and that Xata spent more time suggesting he had some super-mega great reason to TR stutters (+ Show Spoiler +
which he clearly didn't. Hell 2-3 posts after his big towncase he admitted his reasoning in that was weak besides something that had JUST happened
PS: Sorry if it's confusing I change my mind a bit as I go, I write and check stuff in a stream of thought so sometimes I end a post thinking something different than I start. Especially with these bigger posts
Tictock, I didn't include you in any list because I am kinda on the fence about you. On the one hand, I feel you're townie largely due to tone/us having similar ideas, but I can't put you in the conftown group with ptmc/daneler/Calix.
Ok, so who do you think we should lynch today and why?
That post you quoted was right after the lynch Skynx, not right before Daypost.
I do kinda like your point though.
Actually if I were to rate everyone in the game I would say Jealous and Calix have been the most sidelined players.
By that I mean they aren't doing much thats Super towny and they aren't doing anything that raises an eyebrow. Like I stand by what I said about Xata putting so much effort into that Stutters read vs his scumreads, but at the same time that doesn't fit mafia play at all. It just stands out like a sore thumb.
Skynx and Scott both are that type of player who are not vocal, but they both feel like they are just sharing what they think when they do. Even the stuff I was getting on Scott about with the stutters stuff fits that logic actually, scum!scott is more likley to invent reasons that sound good, town!scott will just post whatever he thinks even if it's kinda shit.
Xata doesn't feel like he's doing much to me, just kinda sitting on a few weak thoughts. However I will admit that he is keeping stuff coming. Like I said before I'm starting to doubt scum!Xata would stick with the stuff with Stutters. On one hand I can WIFOM that he would hard townread Stutters like that as scum, but the way that he went about it doesn't feel like it comes from a scum mindset imo. Still one of my more torn reads (like i said I really do keep trying to see the townieness).
ptmc is almost never mafia, if he is I for one welcome the reign of our new mafia overlords to this site.
That leaves me Jealous and Calix. Nothing particularly towny stood out in my mind looking through Jealous' filter yesterday, in fact having played with town!jealous before I feel like he is incredibly restrained. Calix feels very sidelined since D1, glancing over her posts regarding Stutters there was very little consideration going on, I also dislike the N1 posts about how scum must be in the lurkers and how 100% solid that logic is (that's a bit nitpicky though, it's is likely I just don't like the assertion that it HAS to be true).
The biggest issue I have considering a scum!Calix though is that means that a fairly epic buss happened D1. Otherwise by feels alone I could see Jeal/Calix here.
On October 04 2016 03:11 Xatalos wrote: Actually, might it be best to already claim up and solve it once and for all? Let's discuss it before going through with it though.
Besides claiming Vet I think the blues should claim as they wish.
Although... a thought does occur if we have a medic and cop the cop could claim their checks and would be for sure able to live one more day. I think it's safe to assume there is a cop? I mean we clearly don't have a vig and it would be kinda OP for town to have medic and vet so...
On October 04 2016 03:18 Tictock wrote: That post you quoted was right after the lynch Skynx, not right before Daypost.
I do kinda like your point though.
Actually if I were to rate everyone in the game I would say Jealous and Calix have been the most sidelined players.
By that I mean they aren't doing much thats Super towny and they aren't doing anything that raises an eyebrow. Like I stand by what I said about Xata putting so much effort into that Stutters read vs his scumreads, but at the same time that doesn't fit mafia play at all. It just stands out like a sore thumb.
It's really hard to solve the game since most people aren't doing enough of anything noteworthy in the game. Myself included, kinda. I'm pretty sure scott is scum now, but with how this game has been, it's getting harder to clear even Dan/Calix for their D1 stuff anymore.. I was quite sure of stutters being town, at least. Too bad he was the one who got lynched even so....
Well, I sure hope you're town or there's not going to be much of town thread presence left at this rate.
I'm not sure how much more obv town I can get, and it's a problem imo if I'm the towniest person in the game
Can we play another game?
Comparing Scott and Calix, who's posts have a more cautious constructed nature to them?
Honestly I just think it's a really good thing that we actually take a step back and relook at everyone this game. It's all too easy to get confirm bias and just steamroll through a bunch of lynchbait town.
Case in point, this game.
Besides that kinda atmosphere is so much better for town than scum imo.
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