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On September 26 2016 06:29 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2016 06:18 Jealous wrote:On September 26 2016 05:53 scott31337 wrote:On September 26 2016 05:48 Jealous wrote:
## Vote Lunaticman Want to post any other thoughts on the game Jealous? I've posted what I deem a sufficient amount about Lunaticman prior to the vote; I actually voted for him in this thread much earlier than most of you, from what I can tell, but I forgot that I have to vote in the other thread. As far as my thoughts as I'm catching up, here's what I have (pretty loose, not on a PC until tomorrow and working until then): Scott - In my experience Scott is always a man of few words so I don't feel his brevity is AI. Superbia - welcome back, his type of spam might be what this game needed to be revitalized. I would like to see him speaking more specifically and referencing posts more clearly beyond just saying "I read his filter and I feel x." He also has the convenience of arriving into the thread when everything is more or less set in stone. But, because I myself am busy, I can relate. Calix - am slightly surprised by her willingness to judge me for not being very confident or conclusive on people in D1 as I feel she knows me well enough to know that this isn't out of the norm. D2 is when I always do a lot of work, so I don't mind that you guys (particularly Rels) are giving me some crap over being soft-spoken because that will all change when I have concrete things to work off of and tie to posts. Daneler - might be riding on the good feels he got from my posts before I became inactive, but he should have picked up on the general turn of town's opinion on me and the fact that it is reasonable I'm a vacuum. I agree with Rels that I wasn't a big fan of his list post. Rels - staying on the ball and being assertive with his position, which I like. His going after me is forgivable because as I said it is justifiable and will not be the case come D2. Xan - it's awkward for me to look back on my phone to make sure that it was him trying to create a second train, but if it was indeed him I'd have to say it seems like a stupid thing to attempt so openly and at this juncture. Stupidity isn't necessarily AI but in theory, taking votes off Lunaticman and creating the potential for shennanies (which are popular on TL and thus unfortunately not always AI)... Could be a dumb scum move. If it was not Xan who did this, attribute the same reasoning to whoever else it was that initiated this thought, and apologies to Xan.Stutter - still haven't seen anything from him that would make me change my mind about him being my #2 lynch pick. Nothing that I recall off the top of my head sticks out, but I'm not fully caught up so maybe I'll add some more as I walk to the store before EoD. Don't think reading into Superbia's timing is going to get anyone anywhere. Details that could be explained very easily by RL are not something that should be considered imo. Yeah, I am aware of your last game. Somehow you have become even worse since then and that's saying something considering that catch-up post you made last round. Your promise of getting less-shitty has been noted though. Noticing that a lot of your reads so far are focused on yourself. I don't think you've been the centre of discussion so this strikes me as oddly self-centred. Not sure who you're referring to with a 'second train' thing. Xatalos said "oh I can get behind a second train but I'm sticking with Lunatic" iirc before dropping it and Superbia was more open about a Scott train and has recently voted I think? Otherwise I don't follow. Your Stutters read is something I agree on.
As I said, I'm not taking Superbia's timing into account because we are both in the same boat in that regard.
I really didn't notice too much going on as I skimmed besides what I had already mentioned and covered so ad my name was mentioned quite often I felt it appropriate to address that, because if I don't, who will? Only person who seems to still have a favorable opinion of me is Daneler and even I don't agree with him lol. I guess I could have brought the list up in another window on my phone and flip back and forth in order to give more reasons but I was moving fast in the interest of EoD time and because I feel that the differences between what I have said and he has said would at least cover some of that.
Yes, that is what I was referring to. I'm not sure I like such a blatantly artificial plan. Seems like it'd plant more seeds of confusion than any valuable information, especially since it was done so openly.
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On September 26 2016 06:32 Xatalos wrote:
Jealous: can't really follow your "second wagon" thingy... I think it's theoretically always better to have about two wagons and the situation being town vs scum if possible for maximum benefits. This time it's not really feasible, but in general.
You might be right in theory but I feel the way you went about it was off and as you just acknowledged, not feasible. I'm curious because if you know it wasn't possible, why propose it? I don't think even newbie scum would fall such an obvious trap, if that's what it was.
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On September 26 2016 06:48 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2016 06:43 Jealous wrote:On September 26 2016 06:29 Calix wrote:On September 26 2016 06:18 Jealous wrote:On September 26 2016 05:53 scott31337 wrote:On September 26 2016 05:48 Jealous wrote:
## Vote Lunaticman Want to post any other thoughts on the game Jealous? I've posted what I deem a sufficient amount about Lunaticman prior to the vote; I actually voted for him in this thread much earlier than most of you, from what I can tell, but I forgot that I have to vote in the other thread. As far as my thoughts as I'm catching up, here's what I have (pretty loose, not on a PC until tomorrow and working until then): Scott - In my experience Scott is always a man of few words so I don't feel his brevity is AI. Superbia - welcome back, his type of spam might be what this game needed to be revitalized. I would like to see him speaking more specifically and referencing posts more clearly beyond just saying "I read his filter and I feel x." He also has the convenience of arriving into the thread when everything is more or less set in stone. But, because I myself am busy, I can relate. Calix - am slightly surprised by her willingness to judge me for not being very confident or conclusive on people in D1 as I feel she knows me well enough to know that this isn't out of the norm. D2 is when I always do a lot of work, so I don't mind that you guys (particularly Rels) are giving me some crap over being soft-spoken because that will all change when I have concrete things to work off of and tie to posts. Daneler - might be riding on the good feels he got from my posts before I became inactive, but he should have picked up on the general turn of town's opinion on me and the fact that it is reasonable I'm a vacuum. I agree with Rels that I wasn't a big fan of his list post. Rels - staying on the ball and being assertive with his position, which I like. His going after me is forgivable because as I said it is justifiable and will not be the case come D2. Xan - it's awkward for me to look back on my phone to make sure that it was him trying to create a second train, but if it was indeed him I'd have to say it seems like a stupid thing to attempt so openly and at this juncture. Stupidity isn't necessarily AI but in theory, taking votes off Lunaticman and creating the potential for shennanies (which are popular on TL and thus unfortunately not always AI)... Could be a dumb scum move. If it was not Xan who did this, attribute the same reasoning to whoever else it was that initiated this thought, and apologies to Xan.Stutter - still haven't seen anything from him that would make me change my mind about him being my #2 lynch pick. Nothing that I recall off the top of my head sticks out, but I'm not fully caught up so maybe I'll add some more as I walk to the store before EoD. Don't think reading into Superbia's timing is going to get anyone anywhere. Details that could be explained very easily by RL are not something that should be considered imo. Yeah, I am aware of your last game. Somehow you have become even worse since then and that's saying something considering that catch-up post you made last round. Your promise of getting less-shitty has been noted though. Noticing that a lot of your reads so far are focused on yourself. I don't think you've been the centre of discussion so this strikes me as oddly self-centred. Not sure who you're referring to with a 'second train' thing. Xatalos said "oh I can get behind a second train but I'm sticking with Lunatic" iirc before dropping it and Superbia was more open about a Scott train and has recently voted I think? Otherwise I don't follow. Your Stutters read is something I agree on. As I said, I'm not taking Superbia's timing into account because we are both in the same boat in that regard. I really didn't notice too much going on as I skimmed besides what I had already mentioned and covered so ad my name was mentioned quite often I felt it appropriate to address that, because if I don't, who will? Only person who seems to still have a favorable opinion of me is Daneler and even I don't agree with him lol. I guess I could have brought the list up in another window on my phone and flip back and forth in order to give more reasons but I was moving fast in the interest of EoD time and because I feel that the differences between what I have said and he has said would at least cover some of that. Yes, that is what I was referring to. I'm not sure I like such a blatantly artificial plan. Seems like it'd plant more seeds of confusion than any valuable information, especially since it was done so openly. I still think my self-centred point stands as your answer only confirmed what I was saying. What do you mean exactly with your last line of the 2nd paragraph? What's artificial about considering other lynch options? I didn't notice anything unusual with that. (it makes for better VCA after all)
I feel like you might be tunneled on this self-centered sticking point but I don't feel it's quite fair. I might be digging myself an even deeper hole by pursuing this line of discussion but I think it must be addressed. I come back from a long period of inactivity to find that nearly every poster is saying that they are liking me less/scum leaning me. I get asked for my thoughts on the thread by Scott so I address all the points I found pertinent, which obviously included me since nearly everyone has mentioned my name in my absence. So, in order to respond to the people whose mentioning of me stuck out, I am forced to talk about myself and come to my own defense multiple times. It's simply logical, in my opinion. I feel like you only looked at the surface (amount of times I refer to myself) and not the underlying reasons. I'd rather not have something else added to the list of things people are scum leaning me for. Anyway, I think that about covers that issue.
Last line of the second paragraph, I'll rephrase. If I had more time and it wasn't such a pain, I would have brought up the list in a quote or in another page on my phone browser, and addressed the reasons why I didn't like his list more directly. However, because time was short, I didn't. Running out of time now, third point will have to wait.
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On September 26 2016 06:48 Calix wrote:
What's artificial about considering other lynch options? I didn't notice anything unusual with that. (it makes for better VCA after all)
It's exactly the fact that he wasn't considering other options. I believe you even commented on that. He more or less said "lets take a bunch of votes off Lunaticman and see what happens!" There is no way you could get any meaningful VCA from that; he said that it wasn't a trap but it was meant to confuse mafia, which doesn't make sense to me either as that to me would be one and the same. (@Xan I will address your reply to me on the previous page here because phone sucks). What I think is more likely is it would confuse town if any weight was given as to who moved where (and if no one would put any weight on it, why do it? How would VCA work??). I refuse to believe that he didn't think of that.
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On September 26 2016 07:17 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2016 04:18 scott31337 wrote:
Allright, so I even asked Luna who he wanted to lynch and didn't even say. He had two wordy posts that didn't have any content. There's a couple other people trying to push other lynches now too - so I feel more confident voting for him. Show nested quote +On September 26 2016 04:18 DoYouHas wrote:
##Vote: Luna
Kind of a shame, in my head he was going to come back strong today and I was going to be able to make a case for Dane over him. But every hour that goes by without him contributing makes it more and more likely he flips scum. ^^^^worst votes 2k16 DYH is textbook bussing. The weird-ass sympathy nails it for me. Scott's awkward read-hopping looks even worse given that he was low-key defending Lunatic (nobody's contesting his wagon post) before he voted him for some lukewarm reasoning. Stutters was a "voting so I don't forget" vote and ptmc voted near the very end so that looks like a "vote because it's mandatory" deal, Jealous voted because he agreed with my "Lunatic is more anti-town than the other wagons" argument. Xatalos/ SEQ voted early on so they are extremely unlikely to be scum for that. Could have easily tried to have made a push on one of the other wagons given that both have some thread presence.
Nice finds. I am inclined to agree on at least DYH, whereas with Scott I'm not 100% sure but that last sentence is pretty damning. Why would it have been UNSAFE to vote Lunatic? It's not like TL threads close once 50% majority is reached or something. Would be worthwhile to check out the validity of his claim that there were a decent number of votes going elsewhere at the time. Can someone on PC do this for me please? ^^
I agree with most of your other VCA. For Stutters, it's worth mentioning (and please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm working off memory) that it was between him and Luna in terms of who was being pressured so the Luna vote would have been the most sensible from a defensive standpoint as well.
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Anyhow, I will drop Stutters lower on my list of lynch priorities (though not really due to anything he has actually done). My list looks like this now:
#1 DYH
#2 Scott (thanks for bringing up my vote, filter, and the timing though)
#3 Xan/Stutters
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On September 26 2016 07:27 Calix wrote:
imma look at the votes in more detail tomorrow evening. First, what do people think of Superbia's insistence on voting for Scott? I'm not sure how to interpret that myself - he had to know that Scott was extremely unlikely to be lynched.
But I kind of like it because he didn't just pile onto the Lunatic bandwagon to get cheap town points.
I don't think it is that substantial. This is where his entry timing is actually relevant, because he didn't go through the thread and watch the Lunatic zeppelin crash and burn in real time, so perhaps he was not as convinced. Perhaps he had a similar idea to Xan but went about it in a way that actually makes sense. I definitely don't think he's scum for it, but I would like to hear his thoughts on the matter because it seems he had reason to suspect Scott and that would be useful to hear about.
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On September 26 2016 07:33 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2016 07:24 Jealous wrote:On September 26 2016 07:17 Calix wrote:On September 26 2016 04:18 scott31337 wrote:
Allright, so I even asked Luna who he wanted to lynch and didn't even say. He had two wordy posts that didn't have any content. There's a couple other people trying to push other lynches now too - so I feel more confident voting for him. On September 26 2016 04:18 DoYouHas wrote:
##Vote: Luna
Kind of a shame, in my head he was going to come back strong today and I was going to be able to make a case for Dane over him. But every hour that goes by without him contributing makes it more and more likely he flips scum. ^^^^worst votes 2k16 DYH is textbook bussing. The weird-ass sympathy nails it for me. Scott's awkward read-hopping looks even worse given that he was low-key defending Lunatic (nobody's contesting his wagon post) before he voted him for some lukewarm reasoning. Stutters was a "voting so I don't forget" vote and ptmc voted near the very end so that looks like a "vote because it's mandatory" deal, Jealous voted because he agreed with my "Lunatic is more anti-town than the other wagons" argument. Xatalos/ SEQ voted early on so they are extremely unlikely to be scum for that. Could have easily tried to have made a push on one of the other wagons given that both have some thread presence. Nice finds. I am inclined to agree on at least DYH, whereas with Scott I'm not 100% sure but that last sentence is pretty damning. Why would it have been UNSAFE to vote Lunatic? It's not like TL threads close once 50% majority is reached or something. Would be worthwhile to check out the validity of his claim that there were a decent number of votes going elsewhere at the time. Can someone on PC do this for me please? ^^ I agree with most of your other VCA. For Stutters, it's worth mentioning (and please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm working off memory) that it was between him and Luna in terms of who was being pressured so the Luna vote would have been the most sensible from a defensive standpoint as well. A quick look at the voting thread tells me that Lunatic was the leading wagon for all of EOD (tells me that he became the leading wagon 6 hours ago and Scott voted 3 hours ago) Reminds me of those people who claim to scum-read someone but don't vote for some convoluted reason like "I won't vote on principle" or something. (poorly-explained but it's like a rationalisation for bad logic) Wait, wasn't that you who said "the lynch is between Stutters and Lunatic"? Checked his filter and Stutters didn't say much about Lunatic so you have attributed your point to the wrong person, lol.
If it was me then that explains why I'm remembering it, but I don't think I was alone in suspecting Stutters at the time, so the point still stands. If I said it was between the two of them and he voted for him, that's still a defensive vote even if he didn't mention Lunatic directly. "Rather you than me."
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On September 26 2016 07:39 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2016 07:37 Jealous wrote:On September 26 2016 07:33 Calix wrote:On September 26 2016 07:24 Jealous wrote:On September 26 2016 07:17 Calix wrote:On September 26 2016 04:18 scott31337 wrote:
Allright, so I even asked Luna who he wanted to lynch and didn't even say. He had two wordy posts that didn't have any content. There's a couple other people trying to push other lynches now too - so I feel more confident voting for him. On September 26 2016 04:18 DoYouHas wrote:
##Vote: Luna
Kind of a shame, in my head he was going to come back strong today and I was going to be able to make a case for Dane over him. But every hour that goes by without him contributing makes it more and more likely he flips scum. ^^^^worst votes 2k16 DYH is textbook bussing. The weird-ass sympathy nails it for me. Scott's awkward read-hopping looks even worse given that he was low-key defending Lunatic (nobody's contesting his wagon post) before he voted him for some lukewarm reasoning. Stutters was a "voting so I don't forget" vote and ptmc voted near the very end so that looks like a "vote because it's mandatory" deal, Jealous voted because he agreed with my "Lunatic is more anti-town than the other wagons" argument. Xatalos/ SEQ voted early on so they are extremely unlikely to be scum for that. Could have easily tried to have made a push on one of the other wagons given that both have some thread presence. Nice finds. I am inclined to agree on at least DYH, whereas with Scott I'm not 100% sure but that last sentence is pretty damning. Why would it have been UNSAFE to vote Lunatic? It's not like TL threads close once 50% majority is reached or something. Would be worthwhile to check out the validity of his claim that there were a decent number of votes going elsewhere at the time. Can someone on PC do this for me please? ^^ I agree with most of your other VCA. For Stutters, it's worth mentioning (and please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm working off memory) that it was between him and Luna in terms of who was being pressured so the Luna vote would have been the most sensible from a defensive standpoint as well. A quick look at the voting thread tells me that Lunatic was the leading wagon for all of EOD (tells me that he became the leading wagon 6 hours ago and Scott voted 3 hours ago) Reminds me of those people who claim to scum-read someone but don't vote for some convoluted reason like "I won't vote on principle" or something. (poorly-explained but it's like a rationalisation for bad logic) Wait, wasn't that you who said "the lynch is between Stutters and Lunatic"? Checked his filter and Stutters didn't say much about Lunatic so you have attributed your point to the wrong person, lol. If it was me then that explains why I'm remembering it, but I don't think I was alone in suspecting Stutters at the time, so the point still stands. If I said it was between the two of them and he voted for him, that's still a defensive vote even if he didn't mention Lunatic directly. "Rather you than me." This isn't applicable for reasons below but voting for survival is not alignment-indicative. Secondly, this explanation you proposed doesn't make sense because Stutters was one of the last voters on the wagon, long after Stutters was at risk of dying.
Didn't say it was. I was agreeing with you that his vote did not grant him town points in my book.
Oh, I must have misconstrued your first post in this chain. I was under the impression he voted early. Damn phone limitations.
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So how am I the only scum to you?
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How do I look bad post-op lol
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Jeez what an amazingly timed autocorrect LOOOL
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On September 26 2016 10:52 DoYouHas wrote:
Sure, let me throw together the quick and dirty version before I run off to sleep. (quick by my standards, which is still probably slow)
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On September 26 2016 11:56 DoYouHas wrote:GRAH, I CAN'T MAKE IT STICK For everything I don't like about you and think makes you scum: Your early fluff, non-committal, over-defensiveness, appeals to your noobieness, misrepresenting me, buddying Calix, looking at the proposal of multiple wagons from a mafia perspective instead of a town one (looking at it as a trap to be avoided instead of as an opportunity for better VCA) I can't seem to find the mafia actions in your play around the lynch. If I'm having trouble convincing myself of probably the most important part when I undoubtedly have my confirmation bias glasses on it probably isn't there. I was seeing your tonal shifts from casually attacking Luna to guarded consideration then back to casual attacking as very odd. But the thing I can't figure out if you are scum is why you would leave your vote on Luna and not Stutters before the wagon on Luna got rolling. This post: Show nested quote +On September 25 2016 17:17 Jealous wrote:
I have to agree with Calix on the more anti-town part. [B]## Lunaticman[b] just in case I don't make it back. It doesn't fit or is significantly more clever than I am. Damn, damn, damn. I hate having no scum reads. I really do need to get to bed though. See you all with the daypost.
A little bit of misrepresentation here but if you're not pursuing this any further for now, might as well leave it alone. Thanks for being honest (outside of the misrep).
If you need some scum reads, grab one of mine! Otherwise, I hope you reach some conclusions by D2. There has definitely been some questionable behavior from the people in my list, at the very least. I will be fleshing those out in D2 as well. Good night.
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@Scott: Interesting. I agree with quite a few of those reads. Acott, maybe you could explain what you were thinking in your vote post better? It looked pretty damn scummy in retrospect, don't you agree?
Now I'm wondering how to make sense of the DHY read. Here are the options:
A. They are both scum and Scott is bussing. Sadly, I don't see this as being very likely because it hasn't been that long since Calix's post so he wouldn't know if it overwhelmingly convinced town to the point where he would have to bus. OR MAYBE THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS US TO THINK! WIFOM. I also find this unlikely because the numbers would be horrendous for Scott going onwards, and there is no way he would be allowed to live to the final day. The only thing Scott would have going for him is if he is the GF and therefore if there is an investigator, they will become useless for the remainder of the game and Scott might get town cred for bussing that can't be factually revoked.
B. Scott is scum, DHY is town. I think this one is self-explanatory. Scott jumps on the train early on and is doing so out of self-defense. Chances are he would still be lynched next day with a green flip on DHY, but maybe he is hoping he could weasel his way out? This would effectively leave Scott in no better a position than in A., and I find it hard to believe he has balls of this size. Perhaps he is banking on his ally pulling through; that they are someone who is highly trusted right now.
C. Scott is town, DHY is scum. Again, pretty self-explanatory. Scott genuinely feels DHY is scum/is doing it to stay alive. Can't glean much from this perspective , seems logically possible.
D. They are both town. Similar mindset to C, except the outcome is worse for town. Seems less likely than C but I might be tunneling and thus want to believe at least one of them must be scum.
I definitely like Scott's post-accusation post better than DHY's, but DHY spent his remaining free time trying to create a case on me so didn't have time to do anything else I'm guessing. I'd like to hear what DHY comes back with in terms of reads so I can get a more solid opinion. I'd also like to see more detailed filter analysis from Scott on at least his scum reads and perhaps his soft town reads.
Sigh, it's hard for me to pick which option is the most likely. If I knew more about Scott as a player (whether he has the gumption to continue playing in options A or B). What does everyone else think?
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On September 26 2016 13:50 scott31337 wrote:
So I'll try to explain it better for you-
So last night, Luna was looking pretty bad, after he made the blue post - he got really defensive. I was thinking about voting for him at that time - but no one had town read him, defended him, or really push another lynch. This made me fear he was town. I even asked him straight up who he'd like to lynch.
So this morning, all he had was two new posts - and they had 0 usable content. It was all "why you calling me mafia etc". Skynx wanted to go for another lynch as well now (DYH in post #462)
With the above new information, I put my vote on Luna and he never posted again.
I see, this can actually make sense. I don't remember if you had other posts around that one that could have explained it better, but in a vacuum it looked just terrible. I feel like you worded it in the worst possible way. I might actually buy this, but for now the only thing I'm sure of is that I'd vote DHY over you (even though you both successfully improving my opinion of you, to varying degrees). I'd take another look at you after some posts and the night flip of course.
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On September 26 2016 14:55 Superbia wrote:
Somewhere in eod
Are you going to leave it at that or...?
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On September 26 2016 17:06 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2016 13:30 Jealous wrote:
@Scott: Interesting. I agree with quite a few of those reads. Acott, maybe you could explain what you were thinking in your vote post better? It looked pretty damn scummy in retrospect, don't you agree?
Now I'm wondering how to make sense of the DHY read. Here are the options:
A. They are both scum and Scott is bussing. Sadly, I don't see this as being very likely because it hasn't been that long since Calix's post so he wouldn't know if it overwhelmingly convinced town to the point where he would have to bus. OR MAYBE THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS US TO THINK! WIFOM. I also find this unlikely because the numbers would be horrendous for Scott going onwards, and there is no way he would be allowed to live to the final day. The only thing Scott would have going for him is if he is the GF and therefore if there is an investigator, they will become useless for the remainder of the game and Scott might get town cred for bussing that can't be factually revoked.
B. Scott is scum, DHY is town. I think this one is self-explanatory. Scott jumps on the train early on and is doing so out of self-defense. Chances are he would still be lynched next day with a green flip on DHY, but maybe he is hoping he could weasel his way out? This would effectively leave Scott in no better a position than in A., and I find it hard to believe he has balls of this size. Perhaps he is banking on his ally pulling through; that they are someone who is highly trusted right now.
C. Scott is town, DHY is scum. Again, pretty self-explanatory. Scott genuinely feels DHY is scum/is doing it to stay alive. Can't glean much from this perspective , seems logically possible.
D. They are both town. Similar mindset to C, except the outcome is worse for town. Seems less likely than C but I might be tunneling and thus want to believe at least one of them must be scum.
I definitely like Scott's post-accusation post better than DHY's, but DHY spent his remaining free time trying to create a case on me so didn't have time to do anything else I'm guessing. I'd like to hear what DHY comes back with in terms of reads so I can get a more solid opinion. I'd also like to see more detailed filter analysis from Scott on at least his scum reads and perhaps his soft town reads.
Sigh, it's hard for me to pick which option is the most likely. If I knew more about Scott as a player (whether he has the gumption to continue playing in options A or B). What does everyone else think? I really, really don't understand your way of thinking. If scott is scum he's gonna push a mislynch. Why are you dismissing B) just because "scum!scott would have some balls to push a mislynch on DYH" ? If scott is scum and DYH town, he is merely pushing the easiest mislynch available, not making a big play!
That's more or less what I said. The reason it might have come off as me describing a big play is because I feel that if he succeeds in getting the lynch on a town DYH, Scott is next on the chopping block, after which we'd presumably have only 1 scum left. The reason I didn't find it likely is because it seems like an unwinnable scenario and I wasn't sure if Scott would go for it.
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