EPTa) Lunaticman could read Stutters as a town power role, or even 100% town
b) where, after having arrived at the conclusion that Stutters is a town power role, the best course of action is to proclaim him 100% town without any hint at a reason.
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a) Lunaticman could read Stutters as a town power role, or even 100% town b) where, after having arrived at the conclusion that Stutters is a town power role, the best course of action is to proclaim him 100% town without any hint at a reason. | ||
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town-lean calix, similar reads rels, similar reads skynx, similar reads (except DanelerH) inconclusive Xatalos, i like the tone, but the Lunaticman-saga leaves some questionmarks about you as well DanelerH, very pushy, looks for Lunaticman-answers that i am interested in scott31337, similar reads, but no actual input to the thread yet Jealous, reread posts, no longer anyting AI in there. good bit of fluff. SoulEaterQUEEN, i still dislike RVS tho scum-lean Stutters, to me he sounded more nervous than the relaxed read he gets from Rels, what with his fast explanation of the reaction test etc. Lunaticman, what is that townread? Nothing to work with: DoYouHas Superbia I'll stick my vote on Stutters as a safety for the unlikely event that I won't make it here at all tomorrow. ## Vote Stutters | ||
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On September 26 2016 05:21 Xatalos wrote: Pretty much raged about being questioned and went offline. Ok, I'm fine with the lynch on him then. I'll move my vote to him then, although it is highly unlikely that anyone else will be lynched anyway. Gonna read a bit afterwards. | ||
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Bit worried that the Luna-Lynch runs so smoothly, but i guess the train would be too strong to defend anyhow. Will go through the thread more in detail tomorrow. | ||
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On September 26 2016 06:18 Jealous wrote: I've posted what I deem a sufficient amount about Lunaticman prior to the vote; I actually voted for him in this thread much earlier than most of you, from what I can tell, but I forgot that I have to vote in the other thread. As far as my thoughts as I'm catching up, here's what I have (pretty loose, not on a PC until tomorrow and working until then): Scott - In my experience Scott is always a man of few words so I don't feel his brevity is AI. Superbia - welcome back, his type of spam might be what this game needed to be revitalized. I would like to see him speaking more specifically and referencing posts more clearly beyond just saying "I read his filter and I feel x." He also has the convenience of arriving into the thread when everything is more or less set in stone. But, because I myself am busy, I can relate. Calix - am slightly surprised by her willingness to judge me for not being very confident or conclusive on people in D1 as I feel she knows me well enough to know that this isn't out of the norm. D2 is when I always do a lot of work, so I don't mind that you guys (particularly Rels) are giving me some crap over being soft-spoken because that will all change when I have concrete things to work off of and tie to posts. Daneler - might be riding on the good feels he got from my posts before I became inactive, but he should have picked up on the general turn of town's opinion on me and the fact that it is reasonable I'm a vacuum. I agree with Rels that I wasn't a big fan of his list post. Rels - staying on the ball and being assertive with his position, which I like. His going after me is forgivable because as I said it is justifiable and will not be the case come D2. Xan - it's awkward for me to look back on my phone to make sure that it was him trying to create a second train, but if it was indeed him I'd have to say it seems like a stupid thing to attempt so openly and at this juncture. Stupidity isn't necessarily AI but in theory, taking votes off Lunaticman and creating the potential for shennanies (which are popular on TL and thus unfortunately not always AI)... Could be a dumb scum move. If it was not Xan who did this, attribute the same reasoning to whoever else it was that initiated this thought, and apologies to Xan. Stutter - still haven't seen anything from him that would make me change my mind about him being my #2 lynch pick. Nothing that I recall off the top of my head sticks out, but I'm not fully caught up so maybe I'll add some more as I walk to the store before EoD. What do you think about DYH? | ||
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On September 26 2016 07:07 Xatalos wrote: I guess Stutters and Skynx look a bit better after the flip... Maybe DanelerH too. Hmmm... Lunatic didn't do too much though, so it's not too hard to fake what little he did... But at least I kind of doubt he would immediately claim his teammate as an "obvious townie"... Normally I would agree on stutters. But this play by lunatic was so beyond anything I would think smart, that a special look at stutters should be warranted. | ||
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Case a) Lunatic sees his scum buddy taking weak hits and wants to push him into a town pile Case b) Lunatic wants to town read someone so that he himself is townread Does anyone see other possible causes for Lunatics action? Because to me, case b) makes little sense. Case a) would make Stutters scum. | ||
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At least Jealous and Calix have stutters as a lynch target pre flip, SEQ (and myself) even voted for him, so he definitely did not seem too towny even without Lunatics help. Since then he has barely posted anything. One slight town vibe could come from this: On September 25 2016 11:52 Stutters695 wrote: I'll type this up in full once we leave and I go home, but drunk me would also be all about a Luna lynch but at the same time it is so heavily non-commited. It was however fairly early in the Luna-train, so maybe too early for a bus? We have Rels giving Stutters a slight town lean because of his relaxed posts, but i get more of a nervous and fluffy feel from them. Xat summarises like this: On September 26 2016 02:58 Xatalos wrote: Hm. Well, it's not like DYH/scott/Stutters did anything scummy scummy which is always a plus. But i don't see how it is a plus. A plus is doing towny things, not doing anything is at least anti-town, at most scum. Here then is Stutters actual vote post: On September 26 2016 05:54 Stutters695 wrote: Voting so I don't forget while I'm at work. Vote: Luna Very late to the party (but that could be due to basically no activity), and no reasoning, but the train was running to hard to maybe really require one anyhow. I'm not sold that Stutters looks better post flip, like Rels and Xat suggest, purely because Lunatics town read made no sense so far, so why should it start now? On September 26 2016 10:32 DoYouHas wrote: Ok, here is where I'm at for the night Mafia Jealous Town Rels SEQ Calix Stutters Skynx Probably Town Xata Looking better post-flip Dane Unsure Scott Superbia ptmc Dane(again) DYH, why do you hard town-read stutters? On September 26 2016 12:34 scott31337 wrote: SEQ moves up for being the first on the Luna train and not swaying. Xatalos and Jealous as well. 90%+ Town: SEQ Calix Rels Jealous Town lean (in order) Skynx Stutters Xatalos DanelerH ptmc My instincts tell me I think one of the scums is probably hiding in the town lean list though. Scumlean: DYH - I like some of Skynx's posts on him - and his vote reasoning looks really bad once I've re-read it as well. Superbia - I'm not a fan of how he wanted to go after me - the reasoning was weak, many others did not agree and I know i'm town (OMGUS?) Scott, why do you lean town on stutters? | ||
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On September 26 2016 19:40 Superbia wrote: I would read stutters independently. It could be a tmi read or it could be defending a team mate. Take the wine for what it is. I believe i did just that at the start of the post. | ||
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On September 26 2016 19:49 Superbia wrote: That's cool? It was just a tip in general since people seemed to quote the "Luna reads stutters town" post. I didn't intend it to sound aggressive, sorry  Just pointing out that i read stutters posts with a pretty neutral mindset and found nothing towny in them. | ||
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On September 26 2016 22:50 DanelerH wrote: Rather than looking at Stutters individually, it may be best to look at the interactions xe had with Luna. In total, we have four posts: + Show Spoiler + On September 25 2016 08:03 Stutters695 wrote: Seriously, did no one else catch what I quoted before I left besides Luna? I'll give you a hint, go read SEQs filter (9 posts). The one I quoted shows a clear lack of reading, even incredibly early in the game. I'm working another 2 hours, but if anyone has any questions fire away. No comment on the blue stuff, scum can try to figure it out on their own. On September 25 2016 10:56 Stutters695 wrote: I don't think ptmc is a better lynch before SEQ gets to respond. Voting me with his focus on Luna is super weird also. On September 25 2016 11:52 Stutters695 wrote: I'll type this up in full once we leave and I go home, but drunk me would also be all about a Luna lynch On September 26 2016 05:54 Stutters695 wrote: Voting so I don't forget while I'm at work. Vote: Luna Out of all of these, the first post is the most interesting. It occured at some point after the blue "reveal." More specifically, however, it was posted directly after Luna claimed being pressured into revealing. It seems to be a slight defense of Luna, while simultaneously deflecting attention to someone else. What's even more interesting is the first sentence: "Seriously, did no one else catch what I quoted before I left besides Luna?" I looked back at Luna's filter, but I couldn't find an instance of Luna referring to Stutter's quote. This appears to have been brought up earlier by Scott: + Show Spoiler + On September 25 2016 15:45 scott31337 wrote: So I've read Jealous's filter and this is the most informative post in his whole filter. Still not a big fan of you though. So let me read Luna's and Stutter's filters. I've observed a lot more Stutters games than Luna's (although there have been a couple) Not a big fan of this opening - looks like tryhard. Need to see why he thinks Stutters is such obv town. Hmm Then the bad blue role post. Well I liked Rels's posts so far - so hmmm Verdict: Could lynch Stutters - Okay - I've re-read this thought about three times - and I think I get it. The thing I do like about it is Stutters believes in his find of lack of reading. I don't think he'd be so daring as mafia. The thing is - I don't see where Luna quoted it though. :/ Verdict: Wouldn't lynch today Stutter's responded to this with: + Show Spoiler + On September 25 2016 16:24 Stutters695 wrote: He didn't quote it, he said something like the post above this is good. What are your thoughts on SEQ? In this, Stutters once again deflects the questioning back to SoulEaaterQUEEN, but let's ignore that for a moment and focus the first part: "He didn't quote it, he said something like the post above this is good." The thing is, Luna didn't say that, either. That makes two instances of defending Luna, while deflecting the question at someone else, specifically SEQ. Now let's look at the third quote: "drunk me would also be all about a Luna lynch." Prior to this, there was nothing about wanting to lynch Luna. Around that time, xe was still after SEQ. Before you say that xe was feeling better about SEQ, that's impossible at this time, as SEQ was still catching up. Take a look at the timestamps: + Show Spoiler + On September 25 2016 11:52 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote: Alright playing the catch up game~ my activity in this game has been shitty. What exactly do you mean by a "silly pressure game"? You are agreement that we need to put pressure with votes to gain info though right? otherwise I am not understanding your thought process... Not suck up, but rather don't want to underestimate your abilities. Bolded refers to what kinds of conclusions can you arrive with at this - yet to know the answer to this. On September 25 2016 11:52 Stutters695 wrote: I'll type this up in full once we leave and I go home, but drunk me would also be all about a Luna lynch At this time, SEQ hadn't made any posts to make Stutters feel better, so the sudden change in votes is very odd. Afterwards, there was no mention of Luna until the vote (quote 4). Overall, I believe these point towards Stutters being aligned with Luna and we should make Stutters our Day 2 lynch. Yep, i agree with this 100 %. The third mafia imo is scott, massive wall of text incoming. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Skynx calls Lunatics intro bad Lunatic calls Stutters "so far the most obvious townie" Already in the next post (1 hour later) Calix calls out Lunatic for his town-read Skynx does not pick up on the read however, even though he quotes the post Lunatic repeats his claim against Calix' push, but without any actual content ptmc scum leans Lunatic for his town read Rels wants Lunatic to explain his town read, but also likes Stutters for "weak reasons" Lunatic doesn't want to explain his reasoning day 1 Rels is fine with leaving it at that, gives Lunatic a scum lean for it though This triggers a short discussion between the two, not really yielding anything new DanelerH pushes Stutters, gets called out by Xatalos Xatalos town reads Stutters because he "gathers too much attention" Rels agrees on Xatalos' push on DanelerH Xatalos disregards Lunaticmans town read, Post 270: "Meh, I guess there isn't really much to talk about in their filters" (Their being Lunatic and Jealous) DanelerH pushes Lunatic to give his reasons for the town read, does not accept "I'll tell you later" Lunatic now calls Stutters a blue role, and says that "if he dies it is on you [DanelerH] and Rels" Jealous thinks both Stutters and Lunatic are "dodgy" DanelerH keeps on pushing Lunatic Xatalos wants to "focus on more helpful topics" instead of elaborating Lunaticmans town read. Xatalos then calls out DanelerH for his push on Lunatic Rels asks Lunatic why he thinks Stutters is a blue role, since blue roles and scum can be hard to differentiate Xatalos again wants to stop the discussion since blue roles are involved DanelerH doubts the blue role claim, thinks Lunaticman is faking it to not have to give a reason for the town read Rels agrees Xatalos reacts with On September 25 2016 01:47 Xatalos wrote: I guess that's a possibility. Well, let's see. Lunatic tries to explain his town read/blue role read with meta, and stutters high activity. "Of course he has a power role". He is surprised that it escalated. Xatalos again says he is unsure that we should discuss the topic further, but would be fine with an elaboration on the meta-read part Skynx accuses DanelerH of tunneling on Lunatic Scott scumreads DanelerH, while completely ignoring Lunatic Skynx now asks about Lunatics town read ptmc continues his push on Lunatic, and agrees on DanelerH's assumption on the blue role claim Xatalos explains his reasoning on his scumlean on DanelerH, says that he throws more weak suspicion on a very easy target without committing, and that he dislikes discussing blue roles D1 Skynx calls DanelerH's reasoning for his Lunatic push "absurd" Xatalos says that there hasn't been much meat to DanelerH's suspicions, but says that him committing to the Lunatic push might become interesting ptmc calls out Skynx's attack on DanelerH Xatalos says that there are people that have the gift of immediately noticing if someone has a BPR, and that we should stop elaborating on it in the thread After a short discussion, where I give my reasons why I think a push on Lunatic is a good thing, Xatalos says that he maybe was too tunneled on DanelerH, agrees that Lunatics tr was odd and that he would like to see a reason for it Lunatic calls me out because ptmc "missed" how Rels and DanelerH pushed him to say Stutters is a blue Stutters shows up, tries to focus on SEQ. "No comment on the blue stuff, scum can try to figure it out on their own" DYH shows up, no comment on Lunatic at all, wants thoughts on me for thoughts on SEQ Jealous shows up, calls out Lunatic for "retarded" anti town post DYH reacts to Jealous' push on Lunatic, asking if he thinks it is bad play or scum Jealous thinks it is almost too blatant to be scum DYH wants to know if Jealous would lynch for it Discussion between DYH and Stutters about other people Jealous does not feel like his scum read is strong enough to warrant a vote, wants to hear other peoples opinion first SEQ shows up, wants lunatic to elaborate on his town read and thinks that DanelerH tunnels too hard on him. Still ends up with a scum lean on only Lunatic. SEQ is now the first vote on Lunatic Jealous says his vote is between Lunatic and Stutters Scott returns, quotes Lunatics posts that were written well before scott went away. Now he says that he could lynch for them. Reassesses Stutters as well, arrives at "Wouldn't lynch today" Scott is worried that noone town reads or defends Lunatic Stutters again asks about SEQ Calix reappears, calls out Lunatic for his aggressive reactions, but thinks he is more anti-town than pro-scum Calix also calls out DanelerH for his weak case Calix is sceptical of a correct lynch between DanelerH and Lunatic Jealous agrees on the "more anti town part" but sticks his vote on lunatic anyway This vote was only posted in the discussion thread, not in the voting thread btw. Calix reevaluates her Lunatic case, finds it a better lynch, votes on him Lunatic shows up with another weak defense (there never is a mafia lynch day 1) Scott has SEQ at just under null, asks Lunatic who he wants to lynch Xatalos has Lunatic as a lynch candidate Lunatic fluffs some more Xatalos and Jealous call him out for it, Xatalos votes Lunatic Rels returns, still pushes Lunatic for his tr Skynx feels like Lunatic is just misinformed town Xatalos questions this logic Rels votes Lunatic Skynx claims little time to play, feels like DYH is the best lynch and votes him Superbia thinks his presence might not be needed after realizing lunatic is being lynched DYH says DanelerH's tunnle onto Luna is contrived, Luna has made an anti town play and shut down, it feels like DYH doesn't like the lynch DYH thinks that Luna and Dane are not scum together, but either of them could be scum Rels doesn't agree with Skynx' assessment of DYH Superbia wants to kill scott, but thinks Lunatic is a fine lynch as well DYH votes Lunatic On September 26 2016 04:18 DoYouHas wrote: ##Vote: Luna Kind of a shame, in my head he was going to come back strong today and I was going to be able to make a case for Dane over him. But every hour that goes by without him contributing makes it more and more likely he flips scum. Next post, scott votes Lunatic On September 26 2016 04:18 scott31337 wrote: Allright, so I even asked Luna who he wanted to lynch and didn't even say. He had two wordy posts that didn't have any content. There's a couple other people trying to push other lynches now too - so I feel more confident voting for him. Rels and Stutters ask superbia why he dislikes scott DanelerH now votes Lunatic with a reads list post Calix doesn't like the new additions to the train on Lunatic Rels dislikes DanelerH's reads list (most boring ever) Xatalos also asks why superbia dislikes scott Superbia doesn't like his two scumreads with no followup and his forced vote on luna A lot of discussion happens, that is not relevant to this train (imo) ptmc returns and moves his vote from stutters to lunatic Stutters votes Lunatic so he doesn't forget while at work And my comments for it, marked in red stuff i think is scummy, in green things i think is towny (obviously in the light of the successful lynch) with some comments centered where i needed to say some more + Show Spoiler + Skynx calls Lunatics intro bad Lunatic calls Stutters "so far the most obvious townie" Already in the next post (1 hour later) Calix calls out Lunatic for his town-read Skynx does not pick up on the read however, even though he quotes the post this is maybe not red, but at least weird Lunatic repeats his claim against Calix' push, but without any actual content ptmc scum leans Lunatic for his town read Rels wants Lunatic to explain his town read, but also likes Stutters for "weak reasons" Lunatic doesn't want to explain his reasoning day 1 Rels is fine with leaving it at that, gives Lunatic a scum lean for it though This triggers a short discussion between the two, not really yielding anything new DanelerH pushes Stutters, gets called out by Xatalos Xatalos town reads Stutters because he "gathers too much attention" Rels agrees on Xatalos' push on DanelerH Xatalos disregards Lunaticmans town read, Post 270: "Meh, I guess there isn't really much to talk about in their filters" (Their being Lunatic and Jealous) again, at least weird, since it had obviously already sparked discussion DanelerH pushes Lunatic to give his reasons for the town read, does not accept "I'll tell you later" Lunatic now calls Stutters a blue role, and says that "if he dies it is on you [DanelerH] and Rels" Jealous thinks both Stutters and Lunatic are "dodgy" DanelerH keeps on pushing Lunatic Xatalos wants to "focus on more helpful topics" instead of elaborating Lunaticmans town read. Xatalos then calls out DanelerH for his push on Lunatic I guess this is Lunatics blue role claim on stutters working out as intended? Rels asks Lunatic why he thinks Stutters is a blue role, since blue roles and scum can be hard to differentiate Xatalos again wants to stop the discussion since blue roles are involved DanelerH doubts the blue role claim, thinks Lunaticman is faking it to not have to give a reason for the town read Rels agrees Xatalos reacts with On September 25 2016 01:47 Xatalos wrote: I guess that's a possibility. Well, let's see. Lunatic tries to explain his town read/blue role read with meta, and stutters high activity. "Of course he has a power role". He is surprised that it escalated. Xatalos again says he is unsure that we should discuss the topic further, but would be fine with an elaboration on the meta-read part Skynx accuses DanelerH of tunneling on Lunatic Scott scumreads DanelerH, while completely ignoring Lunatic Skynx now asks about Lunatics town read ptmc continues his push on Lunatic, and agrees on DanelerH's assumption on the blue role claim Xatalos explains his reasoning on his scumlean on DanelerH, says that he throws more weak suspicion on a very easy target without committing, and that he dislikes discussing blue roles D1 Skynx calls DanelerH's reasoning for his Lunatic push "absurd" Xatalos says that there hasn't been much meat to DanelerH's suspicions, but says that him committing to the Lunatic push might become interesting ptmc calls out Skynx's attack on DanelerH Xatalos says that there are people that have the gift of immediately noticing if someone has a BPR, and that we should stop elaborating on it in the thread After a short discussion, where ptmc gives his reasons why he thinks a push on Lunatic is a good thing, Xatalos says that he maybe was too tunneled on DanelerH, agrees that Lunatics tr was odd and that he would like to see a reason for it Lunatic calls ptmc out because he "missed" how Rels and DanelerH pushed him to say Stutters is a blue Stutters shows up, tries to focus on SEQ. "No comment on the blue stuff, scum can try to figure it out on their own" DYH shows up, no comment on Lunatic at all, wants thoughts on me for thoughts on SEQ Jealous shows up, calls out Lunatic for "retarded" anti town post DYH reacts to Jealous' push on Lunatic, asking if he thinks it is bad play or scum Jealous thinks it is almost too blatant to be scum DYH wants to know if Jealous would lynch for it Mafia feeling out the waters if it is bussing time? Discussion between DYH and Stutters about other people Jealous does not feel like his scum read is strong enough to warrant a vote, wants to hear other peoples opinion first SEQ shows up, wants lunatic to elaborate on his town read and thinks that DanelerH tunnels too hard on him. Still ends up with a scum lean on only Lunatic. SEQ is now the first vote on Lunatic Jealous says his vote is between Lunatic and Stutters Scott returns, quotes Lunatics posts that were written well before scott went away. Now he says that he could lynch for them. Reassesses Stutters as well, arrives at "Wouldn't lynch today" This looks so much like bussing, especially with him ignoring those posts previously Scott is worried that noone town reads or defends Lunatic Stutters again asks about SEQ still no word on lunatic except the earlier "no comment" Calix reappears, calls out Lunatic for his aggressive reactions, but thinks he is more anti-town than pro-scum Calix also calls out DanelerH for his weak case Calix is sceptical of a correct lynch between DanelerH and Lunatic Jealous agrees on the "more anti town part" but sticks his vote on lunatic anyway This vote was only posted in the discussion thread, not in the voting thread btw. Calix reevaluates her Lunatic case, finds it a better lynch, votes on him Lunatic shows up with another weak defense (there never is a mafia lynch day 1) Scott has SEQ at just under null, asks Lunatic who he wants to lynch Xatalos has Lunatic as a lynch candidate Lunatic fluffs some more Xatalos and Jealous call him out for it, Xatalos votes Lunatic Rels returns, still pushes Lunatic for his tr Skynx feels like Lunatic is just misinformed town Xatalos questions this logic Rels votes Lunatic Skynx claims little time to play, feels like DYH is the best lynch and votes him Superbia thinks his presence might not be needed after realizing lunatic is being lynched DYH says DanelerH's tunnle onto Luna is contrived, Luna has made an anti town play and shut down, it feels like DYH doesn't like the lynch DYH thinks that Luna and Dane are not scum together, but either of them could be scum Rels doesn't agree with Skynx' assessment of DYH Superbia wants to kill scott, but thinks Lunatic is a fine lynch as well DYH votes Lunatic i will not give green "points" from here on for voting lunatic, since the train has reached critical mass already On September 26 2016 04:18 DoYouHas wrote: ##Vote: Luna Kind of a shame, in my head he was going to come back strong today and I was going to be able to make a case for Dane over him. But every hour that goes by without him contributing makes it more and more likely he flips scum. Next post, scott votes Lunatic On September 26 2016 04:18 scott31337 wrote: Allright, so I even asked Luna who he wanted to lynch and didn't even say. He had two wordy posts that didn't have any content. There's a couple other people trying to push other lynches now too - so I feel more confident voting for him. Rels and Stutters ask superbia why he dislikes scott DanelerH now votes Lunatic with a reads list post Calix doesn't like the new additions to the train on Lunatic Rels dislikes DanelerH's reads list (most boring ever) Xatalos also asks why superbia dislikes scott Superbia doesn't like scotts two scumreads with no followup and his forced vote on luna A lot of discussion happens, that is not relevant to this train (imo) ptmc returns and moves his vote from stutters to lunatic Stutters votes Lunatic so he doesn't forget while at work Take home message says scott had access to very bad posts by Lunatic way before he goes afk, but choses to ignore them. Only when the train has become unstoppable for mafia he "revisits" them and now they are strong enough to lynch for. Other reads from the Lunaticman-Lynch: solid town: DanelerH Calix town lean: Jealous Rels SEQ superbia (for actually noticing scott) inconsistent: Xatalos Skynx scum leans (lynch all day err'day) Scott, stutters, dyh | ||
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On September 26 2016 23:47 Stutters695 wrote: Just woke up. You guys aren't lynching me d2 lol. why not? | ||
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