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Scratch my Jealous read also. He's being a massive wet sock right now with his "I fear being wrong so I won't say anything until I'm really sure" kind of attitude and how much he's hammering that in. It just makes it harder for others to read you if you never share your early suspicions/ town-reads.
Scott, I'm pretty sure I explained my initial Jealous town-read as a mind-meld kind of thing. It was extremely weak and his floppy play is making me move him down to null.
I've seen people use 'try-hard' as a scum tell and I don't follow - how is this scum-indicative and not personality-indicative?
I agree with Xatalos to an extent about Daneler. His entrance was terrible and his cases have a) followed other people's suspicions and b) have been lacking and pointing out things that aren't scum-indicative at all. He also comes across as timid but that could just be because he's new so I'll just note that down for future reference.
I like that Xatalos was questioning Skynx about his Daneler read instead of just accepting it because Skynx agrees with him on a suspect or something.
#340 just shows that Lunatic fares poorly under pressure. He's all about that hyperbole. (he was LITERALLY PRESSURED into revealing his TPR-read after he was...called scum guise) As it stands, this dude is just going to be a detriment to town regardless of alignment given how many of his posts are fucking retarded for anyone to make. (horrible reactions to pressure + random town-read that he won't explain before calling a town-read a TPR for example) He's going to create too much WIFOM about "dumb town or dumb scum" to be worth the risk.
I don't usually like policy-lynches but with this level of activity, keeping around someone who is being disruptive is a poor move.
I am not going to cry over a Daneler/ Stutters lynch either. Daneler is the ultimate null read for me so seeing him flip would be useful and Stutters just ignored my accusation against him (which confirms the accusations via silence) and I didn't see anything in my catch-up that made me reconsider my read of
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EBWOP: I didn't see anything in my catch-up that made me reconsider my read of Stutters.
Consider my vote on Lunatic.
Not gonna lie, it's hard to form any decent read on anyone this round. Will try to fit in some time to filter-dive but can't guarantee anything.
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On September 25 2016 23:50 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2016 23:26 Lunaticman wrote:On September 25 2016 21:10 Xatalos wrote:On September 25 2016 18:23 Lunaticman wrote:
I wonder how not wanting to state a read because it will reveal a blue role is equal towards being mafia. The reason for not saying anything is because that is based o information town dont want mafia to know.
This game is just full of paragraf knights. I told you why I didnt want to say my SINGLE read and I got forced. Saying I wasnt forced is a lie.
And when I do say why Im a coward, so either way Im scum. And that dosent even make sense.
It is also intresting to see that town once again town reads the people with most posts as town.
Remember that mafia always sound smater and better because they know who is mafia and are working with perfect information.
Lastly I yet to see a day one lynch of a mafia player so anything that happens day one usually is just speculation.
My time is precious this weekend the little spare time I have not working is spent defending myself. I dont really have time to do what I want which is identify townies and lookig for mafia in the top posters day one.
A good example is my last normal game in which I found the gf day one and was unsuccessful in lynching him 3 days in a row because the mafia undermined me constantly. But why did you say that Stutter was a strong town read in the first place without any reasoning? Isn't that the same as claiming that he's potentially a blue in your opinion (from scum perspective)? Granted, it could also be a complicated meta reason or something, but having a blue read is often the reason if someone doesn't want to say his reasons for a read. And then why reveal the blue read so quickly anyway under a bit of pressure? It's just... pretty much a disastrous chain of events, especially if you're town and correct. It's also disastrous if you're scum, so... Just why? So you don't have hunches? I'm just saying nothing that has been said today has been nothing but speculation and you are accusing me of not giving reasons? God ok I'll play your game: Stutters is town because I have a meta read on him. Satisified? "No, how can you know that?" "Because I played with him before" "Really explain!" On and on this goes. the TL mafia community really has a hard time dealing with people playing emotionally rather than using logic. I'm probably not going to respond to anything related to my first town read anymore. It feels like beating a dead horse. TL;DR: I got frustrated by people asking me reasonable questions in response to my dodgy nature and unsupported read, so I did something anti-town and now I'm going to blame the community for it.
Do you actually scum-read him at all? I don't recall you saying anything aside from 'more anti-town than XYZ'
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On September 26 2016 00:21 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2016 00:10 Calix wrote:On September 25 2016 23:50 Jealous wrote:On September 25 2016 23:26 Lunaticman wrote:On September 25 2016 21:10 Xatalos wrote:On September 25 2016 18:23 Lunaticman wrote:
I wonder how not wanting to state a read because it will reveal a blue role is equal towards being mafia. The reason for not saying anything is because that is based o information town dont want mafia to know.
This game is just full of paragraf knights. I told you why I didnt want to say my SINGLE read and I got forced. Saying I wasnt forced is a lie.
And when I do say why Im a coward, so either way Im scum. And that dosent even make sense.
It is also intresting to see that town once again town reads the people with most posts as town.
Remember that mafia always sound smater and better because they know who is mafia and are working with perfect information.
Lastly I yet to see a day one lynch of a mafia player so anything that happens day one usually is just speculation.
My time is precious this weekend the little spare time I have not working is spent defending myself. I dont really have time to do what I want which is identify townies and lookig for mafia in the top posters day one.
A good example is my last normal game in which I found the gf day one and was unsuccessful in lynching him 3 days in a row because the mafia undermined me constantly. But why did you say that Stutter was a strong town read in the first place without any reasoning? Isn't that the same as claiming that he's potentially a blue in your opinion (from scum perspective)? Granted, it could also be a complicated meta reason or something, but having a blue read is often the reason if someone doesn't want to say his reasons for a read. And then why reveal the blue read so quickly anyway under a bit of pressure? It's just... pretty much a disastrous chain of events, especially if you're town and correct. It's also disastrous if you're scum, so... Just why? So you don't have hunches? I'm just saying nothing that has been said today has been nothing but speculation and you are accusing me of not giving reasons? God ok I'll play your game: Stutters is town because I have a meta read on him. Satisified? "No, how can you know that?" "Because I played with him before" "Really explain!" On and on this goes. the TL mafia community really has a hard time dealing with people playing emotionally rather than using logic. I'm probably not going to respond to anything related to my first town read anymore. It feels like beating a dead horse. TL;DR: I got frustrated by people asking me reasonable questions in response to my dodgy nature and unsupported read, so I did something anti-town and now I'm going to blame the community for it. Do you actually scum-read him at all? I don't recall you saying anything aside from 'more anti-town than XYZ' At this point he is the scummiest player so far.
Hmm.
Who else would fall into your definition of scummy?
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On September 26 2016 01:08 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2016 00:24 Calix wrote:On September 26 2016 00:21 Jealous wrote:On September 26 2016 00:10 Calix wrote:On September 25 2016 23:50 Jealous wrote:On September 25 2016 23:26 Lunaticman wrote:On September 25 2016 21:10 Xatalos wrote:On September 25 2016 18:23 Lunaticman wrote:
I wonder how not wanting to state a read because it will reveal a blue role is equal towards being mafia. The reason for not saying anything is because that is based o information town dont want mafia to know.
This game is just full of paragraf knights. I told you why I didnt want to say my SINGLE read and I got forced. Saying I wasnt forced is a lie.
And when I do say why Im a coward, so either way Im scum. And that dosent even make sense.
It is also intresting to see that town once again town reads the people with most posts as town.
Remember that mafia always sound smater and better because they know who is mafia and are working with perfect information.
Lastly I yet to see a day one lynch of a mafia player so anything that happens day one usually is just speculation.
My time is precious this weekend the little spare time I have not working is spent defending myself. I dont really have time to do what I want which is identify townies and lookig for mafia in the top posters day one.
A good example is my last normal game in which I found the gf day one and was unsuccessful in lynching him 3 days in a row because the mafia undermined me constantly. But why did you say that Stutter was a strong town read in the first place without any reasoning? Isn't that the same as claiming that he's potentially a blue in your opinion (from scum perspective)? Granted, it could also be a complicated meta reason or something, but having a blue read is often the reason if someone doesn't want to say his reasons for a read. And then why reveal the blue read so quickly anyway under a bit of pressure? It's just... pretty much a disastrous chain of events, especially if you're town and correct. It's also disastrous if you're scum, so... Just why? So you don't have hunches? I'm just saying nothing that has been said today has been nothing but speculation and you are accusing me of not giving reasons? God ok I'll play your game: Stutters is town because I have a meta read on him. Satisified? "No, how can you know that?" "Because I played with him before" "Really explain!" On and on this goes. the TL mafia community really has a hard time dealing with people playing emotionally rather than using logic. I'm probably not going to respond to anything related to my first town read anymore. It feels like beating a dead horse. TL;DR: I got frustrated by people asking me reasonable questions in response to my dodgy nature and unsupported read, so I did something anti-town and now I'm going to blame the community for it. Do you actually scum-read him at all? I don't recall you saying anything aside from 'more anti-town than XYZ' At this point he is the scummiest player so far. Hmm. Who else would fall into your definition of scummy? Stutters.
-_-
It would be really nice if you went into more detail instead of forcing me to reach out to you for something as basic as a scum-read/ lean/ whatever you're going to call it.
You seem more curt than usual - is there a reason for this?
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This thread makes a snail look like it's moving faster than a sports car. At this rate I might actually be productive or some shit.
Got around to reading Stutters' ISO and I don't understand #236 whatsoever.
Stutters says that he would lynch SEQ for this one line alone and later asks why people haven't picked up on it...but I don't get what he means or why it's enough of a scum tell that no follow-up is needed. Stutters also did not vote in light of this supposed 'scum tell' and while he's been asking for SEQ opinions, he hasn't explained himself on this point.
For context, it's SEQ commenting on Xatalos saying:
'Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^'
Don't get me wrong, that's not a great line because it's commenting on a mechanic that's not in the game (self-votes) in some detail. My interpretation is that Stutters is saying that SEQ hadn't read the setup but I don't see how that's AI, let alone lynch-worthy, and if that's not what Stutters meant then I'm lost. I don't understand nor do I relate to what Stutters has done this game so far tbh.
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I couldn't remember anything about Rels and for good reason because he's literally made like, 15 posts.
The only thing that pinged me was his characterisation of the Jealous town-reads as due to him 'writing the most words' which I feel was a gross simplification of the town-reads that he was getting at the time. And this is probably a semantics point more than anything but hardly anything else in his ISO gives me good/ bad vibes so whatever.
There is #255 though because I liked the 'I'll wait for Lunatic to give his reasons before I give mine' line although I don't know for sure why he said it so I might be projecting my reasoning onto him (like I can see myself saying a similar thing for XYZ reasons) so yeah, it just read like a townie concern to have to me, idk.
So overall he's null but if you put a gun to my head then I'd go with town.
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Okay seriously, where the fuck is everyone? We're close to EOD on a Sunday for fuck's sake and I'm just yelling into empty space.
I'm going to go talk to a wall, it'll achieve just as much as this.
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Back.
Figures that everyone turns up the moment I leave, lmao.
Rels, why do you town-read DYH, Scott, Stutters? I don't remember anything the first two have done. I had to check the first page before realising that DYH/ Superbia were even in the game.
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Well I say 'town read' but from your post it sounds like you just have town leans on them at best, but still.
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Also I'm going out to drink so EOD is going to be fun xD
My lynch list is as follows:
Would not lynch:
SEQ/ Xatalos/ ptmc/ Rels (they are townie/ decently active/ contributing. Lynching actives on D1, especially now, is suboptimal)
Superbia (replacement or modkill incoming)
Might lynch:
Skynx/ DYH/ Scott - For doing nothing
Jealous - He's such a wet blanket that you could fill a water tank
If your name isn't on this list then you're here as well
Would lynch:
Lunatic/ Daneler/ Stutters
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I'll reread with Rels' posts in mind when I get back.
Looks like Superbia is here. Still wouldn't lynch though so my post remains unchanged.
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Hiiii Skynx I can totally relate to uni stuff.
Also I agree on DYH not doing stuff. I read his filter and there is like literally nothing in there but some town-reads and lts of questions withoyt him saying anything himself. I'll try to find post numbers now but I feel like he could be scum who is coasting
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lol why would anyone even talk about you when you hadn't said anything an said you'd be busy on Sunday? Legit thought you were getting replaced or modkilled.
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On September 26 2016 03:53 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2016 03:52 Calix wrote:
lol why would anyone even talk about you when you hadn't said anything an said you'd be busy on Sunday? Legit thought you were getting replaced or modkilled. Because last time I said I would try to lurk through d1 I was literally unable to.
You never know. Well keep us updated with your thoughts and stuff. Have you said about the Lunatic lynch yet?
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Anyways this is what i got from isos on DYH
What makes me suspicious is 342 because he was like "hai Sutters I'll talk about your scum-read SEQ if you talk about ptmc" and that's weird because he isn't scum-reading ptmc (so not sure why he asked) and he's not reallg using his initiative - if you have thoughts then why not just post them instead of doing some weird 1-1 trade thing? Ithink this shows some lacking of initiative here. 349 is where his SEQ read is and he's saying 'he doesn't bother me at all' but i don't know wherever that's a town or scum read (this is a theme) and this is the most wordy post he's made the entire game and that's his bigger contribution that he bargained for and its not even that good. If it's a null read then why waste time when you could talk about scum-reads (which he has not done at all lol) and if it's a town read then it's not clear at all. His priorities don't make any sense is what I am saying here.
And I don't think his asking questions thing is a town tell either because he doesn't ever give his own thoughts and the leading questions seem like he's trying to get people to thinkc ertain things, you know what I mean? also he doesn't give his own thoughts like with 344/ 347 and he's like "Lunatic is anti-town" but that's not saying wherever lunatic is town or scum it's just a thing he said about his behaviour.
So yeah this is why I think he's possible scum who is avoiding the spotlight and he is trying not to take sides in the main discussions (don't know his opinions on half the stuff going on you know?) and his questions are leading ones. He's yet to make any kind of scum-read because he was doing that weird trade-off thing over scum-hunting.
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On September 26 2016 04:02 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2016 01:36 Calix wrote:
This thread makes a snail look like it's moving faster than a sports car. At this rate I might actually be productive or some shit.
Got around to reading Stutters' ISO and I don't understand #236 whatsoever.
Stutters says that he would lynch SEQ for this one line alone and later asks why people haven't picked up on it...but I don't get what he means or why it's enough of a scum tell that no follow-up is needed. Stutters also did not vote in light of this supposed 'scum tell' and while he's been asking for SEQ opinions, he hasn't explained himself on this point.
For context, it's SEQ commenting on Xatalos saying:
'Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^'
Don't get me wrong, that's not a great line because it's commenting on a mechanic that's not in the game (self-votes) in some detail. My interpretation is that Stutters is saying that SEQ hadn't read the setup but I don't see how that's AI, let alone lynch-worthy, and if that's not what Stutters meant then I'm lost. I don't understand nor do I relate to what Stutters has done this game so far tbh. It's not a great line because SEQ clearly hadn't been following the thread or would have caught that Xata and I were clearly joking. It came as just looking to post for the sake of being active.
Okay this makes a bit more sense although I do't think it's that relevant either and I remember that this scum player made that comment about me in the last game so I am not convinced here because I was town in that game (so not something that only scum would do)
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Yeah daneler is pretty new, he has like 2 games max iirc
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host you need to make it 4 votes on lunaitc btw
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EPT
