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On September 01 2016 17:06 Trfel wrote:
Well, I have to wake up in three hours, so that's it for me. I tried to do some lazy POE stuff but it didn't end up with anything eye-opening.
In short, I really like DanelerH because in addition to his play feeling honest and open (example that he said he didn't think we could play at night), it doesn't feel like he's playing for survival or for townreads, but rather actually thinking about the game. One example of this is his early scumread on Koshi, another is not caving in to Holyflare's pressure and looking at disformation.
I'm actually not as sure on scott31337 being mafia, his latest series of posts felt more towny due to the emotions. And geript's play has started to feel more and more like I'd expect from him as town; not so much the immediately solving the game part, but the thought process.
On the other hand, Tumblewood and Tictock feel worse and worse to me. Tumblewood still hasn't done anything really other than that Tictock read, and he hasn't felt very involved at all, or motivated to play the game other than that one burst of activity to survive the lynch. For Tictock, his End of Day seemed really bad, and there was some other stuff which I'm forgetting because I'm too tired, but I dunno. I guess I kind of forgot why I thought he was mafia, I'll have to look at him again later.
Still haven't looked at Palmar at all.... And a bit paranoid of Vivax and maybe maaaaaybe Koshi.
Voting for Tumblewood.
Good night.
It's kinda funny that you say this, but those two do seem to associate a bunch together. I done know either of their play patterns, but they feel like they're both town or scum together. Not that that's worth much.
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Sorry. I'm nodding off. I only work 8 tomorrow so I should be good for 4 hours after work.
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On September 02 2016 07:16 Holyflare wrote:
Not voting (4) - geript, TicTock, Tumblewood, Palmar
Kinda says a lot about the state of the game/mafia team.
Like unless I'm the only town not voting, I actually expect that most of us are town. TT/TW is a quite possible team. I don't have any good reason for thinking Palmar's town, but I just can't vote for him. He's doing stuff that's way outside of what I usually see even from him. He's not one to give up after trying as scum; but he will say "fuck this game" as town.
I really don't know what direction I want to go this game, but I know what direction I don't want to go.
I'm assuming that Palmar (or me) will probably be lynched today (me for this post itself), but I really don't care. If Palmar flips scum then fuck it I'll just sheep vote and admit to playing terrible. I'm not seeing it. Game feels to dead to have the scum team entirely inactive (or mostly so) now or at any time.
I'm voting feels this game. I think it's Vivax/Dane +1. The third is IDK, almost anyone but I'm guessing one of TT/TW. Part of it is the Vivax/Disinfo bs that happened last night. Part of it is that Vivax is far less active than it feels like he is. Part of it is the Artanis read that he's missed making cases on a variety of people and not because they've already died. Part of it is that his cases he doesn't even terribly hold onto; it's like he could give no fucks about pushing and forwarding his own shit in a game with 3 people who (Palmar, HF, Koshi) who he generally in some way seeks the approval of. Dane because he's the most unnewbie newbie I've ever seen. He's forceful without being confident. He gives polarized reads that go nowhere and lacks uncertainty about anything.
I don't feel like I can make a compelling argument for you guys to join me. But everyone else who's town knows that this game feels wrong somehow. Despite there being cases, points aren't really being discussed. It's almost like "Who's Line" where everything's made up and the points don't matter. But this is a Star Wars game. Search your feelings. I don't think we're on the right track; you don't think we're on the right track.
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On September 02 2016 16:28 Holyflare wrote:
Also what do you mean vivax feels less active? He's like the most active guy in the thread?
What's your reason for mafia reading him exactly? That he's just not tinfoil enough?
Like he 'feels' like he's super active. Involved in everything, but has a much shorter filter than I'd expect. It's a scumread for Kita btw. It's a lot of little stuff I mentioned. Like usually I've seen him championing read to 'the known' players to push his read. But that's not so much here. It's drop a case. Do a little. Move on to next target. There's no real stubbornness. Like he's active at end of D1 but not really trying to make a decision. Iirc He's also the first and only to discredit end of D1 as useless.
Like earlier, we usually really butt heads or I find his reads retarded. This game he's been ok. I think it was only Dane or TW who commented on his odd read mid D1 I think.
I get your points on Palmar, but usually even among us vets, there's some disagreement on how to read the game. It's weird I'm defending palmar, but considering the dynamic of my-you-Koshi-vivax on similar pages with palmar kinda aligned but off on a few specifics in an argumentative way that's pretty odd. Usually the odd ball out is town and one in the circle is scum. And it's one in the circle who half keeps feeding the dissension. Here IMO the dissension looks more to come from vivax than Koshi or you.
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On September 02 2016 16:30 Holyflare wrote:
Urghhh it just feels like you don't give a crap about the game and decided to make a shit meta read post that's totally unrelated to what's actually happening??
Have you read ticktock's filter/vote or is it just blanket "these guys probably town for afking"?
I read TT yesterday maybe day before. It hasn't changed. I think I even made a post about him specifically.
My care factor has gone down, but I don't think it's shit meta.
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On August 30 2016 18:15 geript wrote:I'm extra waffly on TT. Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 08:45 Tictock wrote:On August 29 2016 08:18 Koshi wrote:
Now that Palmar plays I will just let him do his thing and lynch him D3 if we don't lynch mafia. eztactics and 100% foolproof. Hey, that was my plan! Now I feel like I should come up with something more original... but thankfully I'm pretty lazy. For now I think I'll add my weight to the Rels train kus a little pressure on him sounds like a good way to start the game. Still sus of Vivax too, he is playing to a higher degree than last I saw of him as scum but his contributions feel forced and possibly have agenda behind them. Pretty sure Trfel and Dis are both town. That is all. ## Vote: Rels So Vivax is posting better than he did as scum, but is maybe scum due to forced posting and possibly agenda. So I'll follow this move I thought was solid and join with town read Palmar to vote for Rels, give my third and fourth town reads for no reason and that is all. The whole thing was really weird on top of the "who's scum for drawing attention whom while someone else is fotm." But I like his reads pics/posts thing. It feels like he's having fun. I keep wanting to tell myself I'm bad for thinking he's town. But I like most of the posts he jumps off from, I just don't like where he goes with it. Then I look back at the early stuff and call myself bad again.
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On September 02 2016 16:46 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 16:41 geript wrote:On September 02 2016 16:28 Holyflare wrote:
Also what do you mean vivax feels less active? He's like the most active guy in the thread?
What's your reason for mafia reading him exactly? That he's just not tinfoil enough? Like he 'feels' like he's super active. Involved in everything, but has a much shorter filter than I'd expect. It's a scumread for Kita btw. It's a lot of little stuff I mentioned. Like usually I've seen him championing read to 'the known' players to push his read. But that's not so much here. It's drop a case. Do a little. Move on to next target. There's no real stubbornness. Like he's active at end of D1 but not really trying to make a decision. Iirc He's also the first and only to discredit end of D1 as useless. Like earlier, we usually really butt heads or I find his reads retarded. This game he's been ok. I think it was only Dane or TW who commented on his odd read mid D1 I think. I get your points on Palmar, but usually even among us vets, there's some disagreement on how to read the game. It's weird I'm defending palmar, but considering the dynamic of my-you-Koshi-vivax on similar pages with palmar kinda aligned but off on a few specifics in an argumentative way that's pretty odd. Usually the odd ball out is town and one in the circle is scum. And it's one in the circle who half keeps feeding the dissension. Here IMO the dissension looks more to come from vivax than Koshi or you. Why can't Vivax and Palmar not be both mafia? Vivax is just bussing Palmar because it was obvious we (HF and I) were going to go for him today. You are creating a world in which 3 of us are town and only 1 can be mafia. But what in a world in which 2 are mafia?
Vivax + Palmar can both be scum I just don't find it very likely. If those two are both scum Palmar doesn't quit thread. Like, Palmar can't be scum with anyone with any actual thread pull.
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If that's the case why doesn't Vivax suck up more to you/HF
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On September 02 2016 17:07 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 17:02 geript wrote:
If that's the case why doesn't Vivax suck up more to you/HF Dnu. It isn't so that he is trying to piss me off either though. He calls me town, says we are similar players.
Idk maybe I'm wrong on palmar, I just really don't think he jets out like that as scum after he's invested effort.
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HF not a huge fan but we gotta consolidate.
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If rather lynch vivax or Dane.
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On September 03 2016 03:43 Vivax wrote:No you need to make a call on Palmar and stop pussyfooting around his alignment.
I think he's town.
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On September 03 2016 06:45 DanelerH wrote:The person I want to look into right now is Geript. Day 1 was the only time Geript was suspicious of Tumblewood. As the game progressed to Night 1, the list xe gave for most likely being Mafia consisted of Tictock, Palmar, Scott, Race, and myself. + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 15:04 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 06:03 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 1: Final Vote Count
Votes: - Rels (6) - Holyflare, disformation, Koshi, Tumblewood, Tictock, Palmar
- Tumblewood (1) - scott31337
- geript (0) -
Palmar, disformation, DanelerH, Palmar, Tumblewood
- scott31337 (4) - Vivax, Rels,
Trfel, DanelerH, Trfel, Tumblewood
- Vivax (1) - Race
- DanelerH (1) - geript
Not voting: - HF I think this is a bit closer. Admittedly, quite some time has passed since then, but Geript never claimed suspicion on Tumblewood after the fact. Let's go over changes Geript made to the list: Near the end of Day 2, the two xe was most suspicious of were Vivax and myself. + Show Spoiler +On September 03 2016 03:42 geript wrote:
If rather lynch vivax or Dane. Shortly afterwards, xe stated that Palmar was most likely Town: + Show Spoiler +On September 03 2016 03:45 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 03:43 Vivax wrote:On September 03 2016 03:42 geript wrote:
If rather lynch vivax or Dane. No you need to make a call on Palmar and stop pussyfooting around his alignment. I think he's town. Assuming there were no other changes to the list, it would probably look something like this: Vivax DanelerH Tictock Scott Despite all of this, Geript voted for Tumblewood. Xe didn't give any reasoning or even a post (except for in the voting thread). Geript, why is this?
I'm only voting for this guy. I'm tired of this bs.
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On September 03 2016 07:03 DanelerH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 06:58 geript wrote:On September 03 2016 06:45 DanelerH wrote:The person I want to look into right now is Geript. Day 1 was the only time Geript was suspicious of Tumblewood. As the game progressed to Night 1, the list xe gave for most likely being Mafia consisted of Tictock, Palmar, Scott, Race, and myself. + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 15:04 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 06:03 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 1: Final Vote Count
Votes: - Rels (6) - Holyflare, disformation, Koshi, Tumblewood, Tictock, Palmar
- Tumblewood (1) - scott31337
- geript (0) -
Palmar, disformation, DanelerH, Palmar, Tumblewood
- scott31337 (4) - Vivax, Rels,
Trfel, DanelerH, Trfel, Tumblewood
- Vivax (1) - Race
- DanelerH (1) - geript
Not voting: - HF I think this is a bit closer. Admittedly, quite some time has passed since then, but Geript never claimed suspicion on Tumblewood after the fact. Let's go over changes Geript made to the list: Near the end of Day 2, the two xe was most suspicious of were Vivax and myself. + Show Spoiler +On September 03 2016 03:42 geript wrote:
If rather lynch vivax or Dane. Shortly afterwards, xe stated that Palmar was most likely Town: + Show Spoiler +On September 03 2016 03:45 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 03:43 Vivax wrote:On September 03 2016 03:42 geript wrote:
If rather lynch vivax or Dane. No you need to make a call on Palmar and stop pussyfooting around his alignment. I think he's town. Assuming there were no other changes to the list, it would probably look something like this: Vivax DanelerH Tictock Scott Despite all of this, Geript voted for Tumblewood. Xe didn't give any reasoning or even a post (except for in the voting thread). Geript, why is this? I'm only voting for this guy. I'm tired of this bs. Whether you're tired of this "bs" or not, I would still like an answer. When did you become suspicious of Tumblewood? If you weren't suspicious of xem, why did you bother voting for xem?
I'll let you look t the vote count from when I voted TW to figure tht one out.
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TT and Dane trying to play at mylo after being mostly afk. I'm 100% sure neither of them are scum.
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It's completely sarcasm. It's just one of those things I've always noticed... that afk scum play more as the game ends not less. IDK which of those two I'm voting for but probably dane.
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On September 06 2016 02:30 Palmar wrote:
Yeah no scott is not mafia. His activity today basically pulls him off the table.
@trfel no not happening. Try some other target
Activity at mylo is alignment indicative. That's a good joke.
Either way, I'm voting Dane. You guys can either vote with me or not. Deal with it.
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On September 06 2016 03:03 Holyflare wrote:
Let me just reiterate this to you.
EVERYBODY MUST BE ON THE SAME WAGON TODAY IF YOU ARE TOWN. ABSOLUTELY NOBODY SHOULD BE ON A SEPARATE WAGON.
I WILL NOT BE VOTING TRFEL TODAY SO IF YOU STAY ON HIM YOU'RE MAFIA FOR NOT SHEEPING ONTO THE WAGON WITH CONFIRMED TOWN ME ON IT.
I guess you'll lose since you aren't voting with me.
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On September 06 2016 03:34 Trfel wrote:
Yeah, like I said, I'm sorry for my poor activity. I should not have signed up for this game.
I did not expect moving into college to be anywhere near as time consuming as it was, and I could not have forseen not having internet in our room. But I simply don't have the activity or the time to effectively play a mafia game, and I'm sorry that everyone else has to deal with it. You deserve better.
I was wrong on Tumblewood, I was wrong on Race Bannon, I might be wrong on some more as well. I was right on Rels, though, so at least that's something.
But criticizing my play for lack of effort is simply false. I was the first one to point out inconsistencies in geript's first big posts. I pointed out the Race Bannon read inconsistency. No one noticed my post. I first brought up the Tictock meta point that Tumblewood later raised. I've been providing reads with examples and explanations throughout the game.
I've provided analysis of scott31337, Palmar, and Tictock. I've shared suspicious points, provided a two-sided analysis, and invited discussion with the suspect and the rest of the thread. But no one cares to respond or comment.
And I'm being scumread and lynched for completely nonsense reasons, but no one cares either. The people lynching me seem to not care whatsoever that the other people are lynching me for nonsense reasons, but instead only care that I'm being lynched.
Have a good day.
I strongly suggest joining the "fuck it I don't care anymore" Dane lynch. TT is close but Dane is guaranteed.
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