EPTOn August 08 2016 23:05 disformation wrote:
Hm, fair enough. Let me think about it a tad.
Hm, fair enough. Let me think about it a tad.
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On August 09 2016 01:48 WaveofShadow wrote: There isn't anyone in here likely to specifically make a game unfun for me so may as well give it a try, right? You're not alone, pretty much the exact reason I've been hesitant to join. There's one individual that's given me (BM, not gameplay) serious problems on a consistent basis and I don't want to stay in if he signs up after me (which is what happened last time, he grabbed the last spot and I couldn't out), so I'm going to deliberately wait until signups close to join. | ||
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I have a 15-hour day at work (don't ask please, it's beyond frustrating), but I should be able to split two 45 minute breaks to play this game. Possibly an extra hour when I get home before I crash. Let's see what I can do here. | ||
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Pages 7-8/opening, only things that jump out to me are Tumblewood possibly being third party, and Koshi a town lean based on his intro. | ||
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Grackaroni and Vivax townleans for trying to dissect Tumble's alignment/reconciling with IAP (pages 10-11). Not sure I like IAP's posting so far (after filtering him), but I'll make a more solid judgement when he posts more. Still on page 12. | ||
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GlowingBear - there's talk of mechanics, I'm looking for what he normally does as town, usually tries to fish for information and gets reads off the stuff he tries to bait through but so far no followup. will update as necessary. Kitaman - lots of talk about mechs so far but no reads. Also I recall from PYP Keirathi made an accurate read on him, him talking at people and not talking to people is mafia-indicative for him, and that's what I'm seeing so far with him. | ||
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Also agreed with this post: On August 16 2016 17:25 Koshi wrote: You seem like a cool guy. Belgium endorses your campaign. On page 17 still, hopefully Superbia has more content that can help me more confidently read him as town. Him putting himself out there for coalition building is a town tell, like he has little to be afraid of atm. | ||
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On August 16 2016 22:06 disformation wrote: GB was super meh/low active/not doing much in his last town game, that just ended like 2 days ago. So I am not sure how to read him atm. Remember NSM18? He's popping in and out and drawing mafia into reaction tests from what would seem like pointless shit. It's lacking in here, I'm looking in and out through 13-14. Nothing to change my read on him through page 17. Also aside from Superbia do you have any reads from early activity? | ||
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On August 16 2016 22:31 Half the Sky wrote: Fabian is almost certainly scum, reading through page 21, I am aware he posted reads in response to my question, Vivax disagreed with them, but I'm not seeing town behaviour from him as I'm catching up. EBWOP Fabian = disformation Second sentence - Vivax disagreed with them, but I'm not seeing town behaviour from disformation as I'm catching up. /end derp. | ||
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Aimed and you and other players not familiar with my play, mechanics discussions are generally discussions that can come from either alignment. Koshi is the only one in the thick of the discussion trying to put together what could be a pro-town agenda. (that and other tells) If you're town and have to keep your intentions hidden due to secondary objectives that's fine, it just means you might have a tougher time getting townread. People who have played with me a bit more will know my response better in large themed games but in themed games, mechanics are not my strength to work with so I generally prefer to scumhunt first/play mafia before thinking through with mechs. I can't trust anyone who just discusses mechanics his first 20-odd posts of the game. | ||
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On August 16 2016 22:36 Koshi wrote: explain to me why because I don't understand it. Think I ninjaed your post but when I was catching up through post 20 I'm seeing posts about elections, mechs, money, whatever but not much in the realm of scum hunting. If there's something in the mechs that is jumping out or inherently towny then someone point that out to me because it's not readily apparent to me. He has posted a set of reads so this read can change, similar issue to what I'm seeing with Kitaman when he was posting earlier. If he has posted anything more towny I will certainly acknowledge it. | ||
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On August 16 2016 22:39 Damdred wrote: HTS what did you think of onegu launching the missle at superbia? I'm not there yet. I had a town lean on Superbia, and I agreed with Onegu's initial scumread of GB but several had already chimed in on that. I'll follow up with whatever led to that if I had a take on it. | ||
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On August 16 2016 22:41 Half the Sky wrote: I'm not there yet. I had a town lean on Superbia, and I agreed with Onegu's initial scumread of GB but several had already chimed in on that. I'll follow up with whatever led to that if I had a take on it. lel page 21. Just saw it now. Okay, didn't like it. Superbia not reading the thread could be from either alignment. HF saying "don't vote Superbia" could simply mean "don't vote him because he's uninformed" not because he's scum. | ||
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On August 16 2016 22:17 disformation wrote: not sure what you mean by early activity, but these are my reads atm. Followup question - I just went through Artanis' filter. It reads like a bunch of troll for the most part. Where are you (disformation) getting the town lean on him from? Additionally, this is also a bad read for prplhz: On August 16 2016 21:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think prplhz is mafia. He is wordy. Normally he isn't wordy. That is the extent of my read. I've been on a mafia team with prplhz and I've played various games with him as town. He broke meta in the game we were scummates on as together but generally when I've seen him as scum he doesn't do much; as town he's a bit more vocal, I recall in a newbie he was trying to lead town in lylo. | ||
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On August 16 2016 22:44 Vivax wrote: Seems like something you want to do out of thread pressure and not own volition. Ergo pretty scummy +1 | ||
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On August 16 2016 22:54 Lunaticman wrote: Half what nationality are you? Europe. *shrug* If I had to vote for a US president this moment btw, I think Grack/Tumblewood would be my top choices, because I don't really like the rest atm. Holyflare I might need to re-read his filter to see if he's using mechs discussion to the benefit of town - Koshi I was able to figure this out in one post, where as Holyflare is a spammer. I have to stop at bottom of page 26 though. I need to get back to work :/ | ||
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I am fairly sure you are town, and I can't read Chez worth anything, so I'd say you. | ||
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I feel better about Kitaman as town after reading these posts: + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2016 22:46 kitaman27 wrote: HF or Tumblewood seem like best bet for President....maybe disfo on an outside chance if those two look terrible by the end of the day. HF has said a few things that mimic what I'm thinking mechanic wise. He's also a fairly competent person to have some type of kp or protective power granted to him. Tumble seems likely to be town from that initial spat of stuff, but not 100% on that yet. The rest are mostly focused on election and stuff. For Soviets I'd say superbia is the better vote, but having him receive the power and then getting nuked would kinda be a waste. One thing I've been thinking about is if maybe onegu nuked superbia to guarantee that his scum buddy chez got elected since the nuke would dissuade votes from the only alternative. On August 16 2016 22:58 kitaman27 wrote: Leaning scum on onegu, GB, sicklucker. Onegu claims he is fairly certain GB is scum and then nukes superbia out of the blue after people call him out for the chinese thing which makes him look really scummy. GB's only real post aside from his election talk is a self-defense post, which comes off bad. I seem to remember something similar with a mafia mayor election from him in a past game. I gotta double check the database though when I have a chance. SL seems like he was given the suggestion to lay low in a mafia qt or something. I think town SL would be way less concerned about playing careful or getting nuked. I didn't like that Vivax went out of his way to disagree with my voting plan when there really isn't a downside to the extra information, even if it doesn't pan out in the end. He never explained why it was too complex when asked. His most recent post about disfo just a couple minutes ago makes me like him slightly more, because I was thinking the exact same thing. Arta kinda rubs me the wrong way with his initial few posts so I'll bring him up for good measure. On August 16 2016 23:10 kitaman27 wrote: I have no reason to lie about my nationality, do you? We essentially announce ahead of time (right now) that anyone who lies about their vote will be assumed mafia. That even discourages people with alternate win conditions or whatever from lying because they know they will be punished for lying in the thread. Then once we get the results, we can learn if someone lied about their vote. It doesn't matter if the president that gets elected is town or mafia because only mafia would have the motivation to say they are supporting one candidate and then secretly voting another. Plus it makes people have to take a stance in the thread during a cycle where we don't get the information from a lynch. The vote is really the only alignment indicative info we have on day one, aside from the random nuke or something. Sure, player A can call player B scum, but without a lynch or anything to enforce it, it is pretty empty. On August 16 2016 23:15 kitaman27 wrote: I think this post was his worst so far. It was apparent when I brought him up last but I also don't like Artanis this game. Also disformation, I have no idea why you had been townreading Artanis. Checked the latter's filter and other than saying my read is bad, there's nothing else that points to him as towny in there. | ||
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On August 17 2016 00:55 Superbia wrote: I don't art is a bad man. But I'm not sure Do you see anything towny in his filter? I don't. | ||
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Artanis' scum read on prplhz seeing it again on page 34 looks even worse now especially with the wordy reasoning. It's about the damned mechanics. | ||
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On August 17 2016 00:45 sicklucker wrote: lul i voted chez I don't like this. If I had anti nuke I'd save Superbia. sicklucker I know doesn't like day 1 as either alignment but is more recently lazy as scum. Hard to tell at this juncture from content alone but I'm not liking his vote for chez. | ||
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I like these posts from HF. + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2016 23:31 Holyflare wrote: Why would we vote disfo? He seems to have a mini panic attack when he gets called out as mafia and his power might be just as he says. You should pick someone that's not him and see if his extra 2votes are hidden or not tp semi confirm. Also he "doesn't know what happens" when he wins? Find that very hard to believe. On August 16 2016 23:34 Holyflare wrote: His win condition competes with my bonus points which plausibly could make him town still. He gets a power when I don't, suspicious. He made some posts earlier that I called him scum for, can't remember what. He hasn't done towny things other than reveal a lot of a role which might not even be his. I presume there's fake mafia claims etc. Way better to see what his votes look like in a vote count then be butt fucked by your whim. I disagree with his Artanis/prplhz read though. I interpreted "wordy" as different from what Holyflare described. I don't disagree that prplhz is solely talking about mechanics but I got the impression he's doing it in a way to move the game forward, even if he's not doing it optimally (quotes in spoiler) + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2016 21:18 prplhz wrote: I think I'm being pretty straight forward. If I were getting killed in 24 hours then I'd certainly just make stuff up. Also, give me 1 ruble? I need it for........................ Something. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sdrdXz8.jpg) On August 16 2016 21:25 prplhz wrote: I don't mind holding people responsible for their actions, but if this plan is stringently implemented, it's more likely to backfire than not. We don't even need a plan. If someone nobody reads town oddly gets elected president and we ask him to kill someone everybody reads scum, but instead he kills the towniest guy around who then flips town, then what does it matter if we had a plan or not in the first place? We'll still need to react to what actually happened and ask ourselves if scum would trade 1 for 1 in that situation. It's the same thing for whoever holds the gun to the president's head, if we have a plan saying "If he doesn't do what town says, we kill him", then if he is scum and the president is town he'll see it as a free pass. In the end, your actions are your own and only you can control them and you need to take responsibility yourself. On August 16 2016 21:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think prplhz is mafia. He is wordy. Normally he isn't wordy. That is the extent of my read. On August 16 2016 21:35 Holyflare wrote: I like that prpl read, too wordy about irrelevant crap like plans instead of figuring out alignments and president vote | ||
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Town (no particular order) Tumblewood Vivax kitaman27 Superbia Koshi Possibly town/would be comfortable with more reads: Holyflare prplhz Town lean Damdred (the opening/read on disformation) Under review atm Lunaticman Skynx disformation (several things I don't like but I'm seeing a few things in his filter that can be sussed out if he has to stick to mechanics for his wincon) Null/no read on: sicklucker (really could be either) Stutters695 Dandel Ion Rels (need to read his posts more closely relative to content, maybe he could have done more at the stage of the game) Trfel (nothing since intro) Chezinu (I can't read the guy for shit) Chezinu Policy lynch category (if we had lynches but you get the idea) Kurumi Fecalfeast MZ Shapelog Scumlean IAP Probable scum Artanis Onegu GlowingBear | ||
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On August 17 2016 01:38 disformation wrote: onegu is nuking superbia artanis stole superbias legs. hf and me are fighting for us president. some ppl probably have alignmenzs. And what did you make of the first two's actions? | ||
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On August 17 2016 01:40 sicklucker wrote: no no one nuke artanis today plz Why? Whom would you nuke (if you had one)? And should I assume you are partially caught up? At least? | ||
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On August 17 2016 01:46 GlowingBear wrote: WOWOWOWOW Why am I being scumreas again? On August 16 2016 21:59 Half the Sky wrote: Possible scumreads through page 12: GlowingBear - there's talk of mechanics, I'm looking for what he normally does as town, usually tries to fish for information and gets reads off the stuff he tries to bait through but so far no followup. will update as necessary. ...and I didn't see anything to change my mind after, there are others scumreading you (kita and vivax at least) but those are my words. Damdred, sure. Though I'd be a little more comfortable seeing a few more reads, I do like what I am seeing of you so far (noting you had been a bit behind anyhow). | ||
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On August 17 2016 01:48 Dandel Ion wrote: iamp is town tho 78% Based on? (I never played with him before) | ||
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On August 17 2016 01:51 Grackaroni wrote: I didn't make it on HtS's list because I'm secretly not in the game. Or am I? Only time will tell! Actually you aren't listed in the OP. I took Palmar's roster and sorted the names, and checking again, you are not on it. PM him. I had you as a town lean from the start of the game. | ||
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Briefly skimmed the mod/important posts and I'm confused on a few of the mechanics, but I am hoping my questions are answered somewhere in the 20-odd pages I have to catch up on. | ||
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On August 17 2016 03:13 Onegu wrote: Why are you reading filter before reading all the thread? Not sure what the point of this question even was Onegu, but IAP's posting was so bad from the off that I had to filter and see if it appeared to have gotten any better. still reading... | ||
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(1) Feels more confident town on Damdred. + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2016 02:04 Damdred wrote: Hts I think the most important thing to know is this. Town circle Damdred Hts Koshi Kita I am Scum lean Disf Scum Onegu That's where I'm at atm. (2) Skynx I have a townlean on (post 1080) but will continue on his filter... (3) Don't understand how GB associates Vivax as scum with Grackaroni + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2016 03:36 GlowingBear wrote: Koshi's first post about low postibg isn't alignment indicative. I don't have to WIFOM it just because you think it is. What are the other things? You keep saying that there was information yet you fail to point that out. If you accuse me of doing nothing with the information that was dropped in thread, but can't point out where is that information, it just means you're suspicious of me for no reason. Which is scummy. Which makes me believe what was your intention. Which makes me believe you don't want me to win the elections. Which I can't help to associate you with grackaroni. ...though when I read GB v Vivax, I'm getting the sense that GB is just approaching the game differently when I see his reads on Skynx and MZ on page 54/55 (4) Artanis' shortlist of (at the time) Onegu/SL/prplhz might make me feel a little better on him, I still have no idea what SL is doing and at least just skimming around the part where I joined in and I'm scumreading Onegu. prplhz read would make sense if he's not moving beyond mechanics. (add on: saw his latest posts, warming up more to Artanis) | ||
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On August 17 2016 20:07 disformation wrote: I still highly suspect that you need to have some kinda of evidence that they are unpatriotic or at least anti-american. I will look at the super lurky ppl and see what I can do. At the very least this hopefully will get us some information. Will do that this evening when I am back at home. How does anti-American = scum, or are you asking this for the purposes of your secondary objectives? | ||
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(page 56-57) Tumblewood and Skynx (and GlowingBear to a lesser extent), why is Kitaman mafia? On August 17 2016 04:34 Tumblewood wrote: Skynx is town for the last part. I am 90% confident in this. | ||
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On August 17 2016 20:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The only one indicating a scumread on Kita here is Skynx, and he even said in the post he can't explain it. What exactly are you asking for here? TW is townreading Skynx for that read (so it's implied he thinks Kita is mafia) and GB IIRC had Kita as possible mafia in an earlier reads post unless that's changed somewhere and I missed it. Because I have Kita as a townread that's why I'm asking, if Skynx can't explain it, whatever, but when I see three people (at least two of which are my townreads) scumreading another townread it makes me wonder whether I might be missing something. | ||
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I mean really, anyone. There's 28 people in this damned game. | ||
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I'm not sure about the peace/chaos thing and how that works mechanically but I'm not sure where the townread on Chez is coming from either (getting two competing reads from Artanis and Koshi). It's just really difficult for me to read him and mechanics could be designed for either alignment. | ||
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The rolereading I took as a newer player not really familiar with the mechs of themed games, NBD there. | ||
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On August 17 2016 16:18 Trfel wrote: Is anyone awake still?  Still trying to make sense of Onegu and Artanis... While Onegu's actions and specific claims seem very scummy, his play is marked by so much not caring, and Onegu tends to take his scum play relatively seriously. On the other hand, third party feels very likely. I liked Artanis after skim reading, but then realized that he actually hasn't been doing anything. It feels like he's just trying to seem active and present but he hasn't felt invested at all. In addition to being so secretive about (seemingly) taking control of Superbia's body... I definitely support killing Onegu with the FOX News thing. Maybe Shapelog would also qualify as anti-American... Trfel is someone that I know spins behaviour to be mafia when he is exclusively mafia. (1) Artanis had not been hiding the DGAF attitude so he didn't care that he was getting scumread for it, which is actually a towny trait (2) The so called bounty hunter role (or the action of controlling someone's body) is a mechanic that (knowing Palmar) could be assigned to either alignment (3) Onegu will "not care" what others think as town or scum (the latter example: see Outlaw). So I really don't like that post either. | ||
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Not entirely sure/will need to be sussed out a bit more: GlowingBear (some townie thought towards the end, though I am deliberately ignoring mechs here, some similar reads to mine) Dandel Ion (meh) Lunaticman (need to really see actual reads and not just surviving on mech discussion) Grackaroni (originally was good but not remembering too many impactful posts from him more recently, falling under the radar?) MZ (some of his reads I liked but more content would make me more confident on him) The "dear vig, please take out the trash" pile: Rels (pending catching up) Stutters695 Kurumi Shapelog Fecalfeast Possible scum Trfel (it's somewhere in my filter) sicklucker (where are the reads) Chezinu (all he does is go on about his position, someone please shoot him, clearly he's not helping town even compared to Star Wars where you got some semblance he was trying to) Scum reads prplhz Onegu (I make no distinction between anti-town third parties and scum) IAP I would say that vigis should target the bottom six players. | ||
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On August 17 2016 23:35 disformation wrote: Just wanted to make sure cause I never heard that term before. In themed games it is quite possible for mafia to have a protective role or a bulletproof vest of some sort (example: JOAT). | ||
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That was my first impression when I saw that list post too. | ||
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On August 18 2016 05:52 Damdred wrote: Oh god, I wonder who did that Speculation - wonder if it might be a penalty with the sheer number of lurkers we have had this game. | ||
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- looking for Pokemon - From Japan - applied for a USSR passport - reads: ??????????????????????????? | ||
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Anyhow first things first, I'm claiming the shot on Grackaroni. I had one bullet only shoot people who held/were holding bananas (kills wouldn't register if I just shot anyone and they didn't have a banana) and there was zero to negative chance in hell I was shooting either of Kita or Dandel Ion. Kita was/is a strong townread of mine. From SOTW I learnt Dandel plays a bit different so I tried to evalulate him in context and felt he was town. Grack I really felt several of his reads, particularly pushing Kita over the bananas - a mechanic that could involve either alignment - was forced. Additionally his play from Onegu 2 wasn't as townie so I had gotten the impression he was feigning interest in the game, there was a lot of posting just to post. I read and re-read his filter before making the decision to shoot him. TLDR: He felt like a sleeper mafia to me. If I could have shot the people I'd really have wanted to I sure would have, had no banana claimers appeared on any part of my shit list prior to the end of day I would have held the shot. Furthermore, he wasn't being universally scumread so I figured also the chances of a scum Grack being protected by his team would have been slim. An alternative plan I was thinking was trying to bait Kita or Dandel into giving the banana to a stronger scum read of mine before end of day so I could shoot them. I thought of this for awhile but I couldn't think of a convincing way to have them give it to a scum read of mine and I also didn't want to telegraph my intentions or potential implications to mafia either. (I "say" bait because they had the impressions that bananas were beneficial. If I argued with them I think I would have drawn attention to myself IDK.) So that's that. Second I also think prplhz is some sort of mafia PGO. Vivax put into play his roleblocking Spock action: On August 17 2016 21:55 Vivax wrote: Honestly I'm getting fed up with prpl just considering Chez with plenty of other shit flying around. So. ##Live long and prosper: Prplhz ![[image loading]](http://css.tshirtonomy.com/wp-content/uploads/Trek-Yourself-T-Shirt-620x350.gif) And right before actions resolve, he says this: On August 18 2016 06:58 prplhz wrote: if someone killed me they're gonna be super disappointed This is two minutes before deadline. For those new to TL/themed games: PGO is paranoid gun owner. A paranoid gun owner has a passive that auto-kills anyone who targets it, not nec via NK. MafiaScum definition here: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Paranoid_Gun_Owner So we need to find a way to take prplhz down or another top scum read ASAP through some lynch mechanic I feel if people feel this is what we are truly dealing with. Those of you not already scumreading him, look at his filter, there's a lot of pointless questions and garbage that goes nowhere. As for the mechanics of a PGO with a nuke, it sounds wonky, maybe mafia day vigged Vivax, he was near universally town read. But the timing of those quotes - and his filter - made me wonder this possibility as well. Not fully caught up yet but there we go. | ||
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On August 19 2016 07:50 kitaman27 wrote: ##I announce my candidacy for the Chancellor of Europe I promise to be completely transparent with all my actions as Chancellor. If I'm able to share my election choices with the thread before choosing, I'll definitely do so. Otherwise I'll go with the most pro-town option like a lynch or public dt check. I also get a bonus power if elected, similar to Obama's NSA quicktopic spy bonus power, so that would swell to obtain. Vote for Kita ^_^ I'd run myself and I'd have this same platform, but I'm not about to split the vote. And I don't have any bonus for election. I'd vote for either you or Koshi. | ||
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On August 19 2016 07:47 kitaman27 wrote: His play so far doesn't really remind me of the last game I played with him where I red checked him in PYPI. Plus having HTS as your main mafia read is one of those too crazy to be scum kinda things. He hasn't posted much at all so he was pretty close to making the null list. I can actually think of a reason the read on me could come from a scum FF, but I don't want to put words in his mouth. Fecalfeast has also been all over the board in terms of activity as both alignments. | ||
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On August 19 2016 08:57 Trfel wrote: ##I announce my candidacy for the Chancellor of Europe Do you have any (updated) reads? | ||
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Something between blending in, IDK. Even the mechanics breakdowns (not that I considered it super towny) is falling off, but gah. My biggest reservation about him is lack of original thought for the scumreads, that's probably the best way I can put it right now. I'm off. | ||
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Offhand, Kitaman, I know you asked me some questions when I skimmed. First I never had possession of any bananas, I only shot people with bananas. I WISH I had had a banana because then I'd just have given it to IAMP/Kurumi/prplhz and then shot them next phase. That would have been so easy. Second, at no point did I have access to any QT, I can see why you think I might have had it though. | ||
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I'm fine with either Kitaman or Koshi tbh, it seems like the former might be able to get more pro-town powers which we badly need right now. So my vote goes that way, solely for mechanical reasons. | ||
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I am a bit frustrated we don't have the ability besides kp (conditional or not) to hold anyone accountable. | ||
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On August 19 2016 23:07 Dandel Ion wrote: Hats since you're here, how much do you know about what's happened in your area d1? no details, just indication Assuming you are talking to me, if anything happened, it happened without my knowledge. | ||
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On August 19 2016 23:20 kitaman27 wrote: We should all consolidate our votes on myself for Europe. If we split between me and koshi then we might end up with like 2-3 each and then someone like Trfel could squeeze through with some vote manipulation or something. 1000% | ||
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Alright, first off, to whoever tried to kill me: ![[image loading]](https://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x/50053642.jpg) And to whoever saved me: ![[image loading]](http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/51/5172847fbb49535e849f907e458b00072cc6ae78f07e6eba6368535af487d4bd.jpg) Also agreed with DI, useful information, and him using that information to draw conclusions on people (esp sicklucker) looks towny to me. Have zero idea on the decoding. Maybe it's a power we can gain. | ||
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On August 19 2016 23:31 kitaman27 wrote: Also, if HTS is the banana shooter, but can't choose who her targets are, it reminds me of the Igrok role back in Personality Mafia 2. Essentially a mafia player could choose the valid targets for town to shoot and then try to bait them into killing the target, as an alternate form of mafia kp. That might be what we have going on here. Didn't even know this was a possibility since I wasn't around TL back then. Ugh. I suppose anyone with any information on where bananas are coming from would be greatly useful right now. | ||
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Can you weigh in on some capacity on the following players, particularly likeliness to be scum: Of those more active: Artanis (according to Kitaman, but more opinions are nice too) Lunaticman MZ GlowingBear sicklucker (little less active) IAMP prplhz Trfel Kurumi Shapelog Chezinu I'm thinking somewhere in there, we're looking at 2-3 mafia, minimum 2. I would say one for sure in the first group, at least two in the second group. With 28 players, I'm going to assume/guess 5-6 mafia, or 5 mafia and 1 anti-town third party (amongst any remaining third party players). | ||
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On August 20 2016 03:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Lack of caring is a combo of no threatening lynch, no direct influence to kill anyone and trying to finish Mass Effect 2 again  The hours I've put into that game the last few days are ridiculous. Running through the games with Tina who's playing them for the first time and it's a lot of fun. Also also voting Koshi because he has good reads this game and Kita suspects me so that's a no-go. OMGUS is not (necessarily) alignment indicative. Unless you have other reasons to suspect Kitaman, or you want to make a direct accusation that he's misrepresenting your meta, he's the one who will gain much needed town powers if he's elected. Koshi and Kitaman also have very similar reads aside from the scumread on you IIRC. Also if town Kitaman "wastes" a check or whatever power he can use to flesh you out it's a step towards you being able to work with a bit more town more easily. | ||
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On August 20 2016 01:59 Rels wrote: You "didn't think of that". What a weird way to phrase it. And what a weird thing to assume, when according to disfo, two flipped townies really didn't like you (HF + Vivax). So why would you assume scum shot you ? IAMP's post is about as forced as it comes. Furthermore the point was made that mafia can medic themselves/each other in themed games and I know it's happened in prior GM games. Another red flag here is that I was shot last night, I didn't die and I received zero notifications. Additionally (disclaimer: host wifom) Palmar generally prefers mafia-favoured (slightly) setups and will never have notifications that are not necessary. I'm 99.9% sure IAMP just claimed scum here. | ||
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On August 20 2016 02:46 Trfel wrote: Wait, you can buy three extra votes for the European election?!?! Good thing one of my traits is "rich" And this is why Kita/Koshi voters need to consolidate. (Trfel if you are indeed town, you might really want to step it up in terms of solving the game. Because town right now need all the help they can get.) | ||
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On August 20 2016 03:45 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm on page 111 but I am trying to catch the pidgey I think it resolves at the end of the day. I am currently in ussr and have been given 100mil rubles for moving there. I don't think i am a citizen though. I have no kp. Mind lending some comments on Lunatic and what you think of him? Or GlowingBear for that matter? | ||
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On August 20 2016 03:36 Half the Sky wrote: IAMP's post is about as forced as it comes. Furthermore the point was made that mafia can medic themselves/each other in themed games and I know it's happened in prior GM games. Another red flag here is that I was shot last night, I didn't die and I received zero notifications. Additionally (disclaimer: host wifom) Palmar generally prefers mafia-favoured (slightly) setups and will never have notifications that are not necessary. I'm 99.9% sure IAMP just claimed scum here. I am now 100% certain that IAMP is mafia. Notifications are in effect only when necessary. For those newer to TL, this means roleblocks and medic/veteran saves/hits are not notified. DT/tracker checks and no results will be. + Show Spoiler + It should be obvious how I know if you can think one modicum outside the box. Now we need to somehow find the other four (five?) Carry on, but I thought I would pop in to let everyone know. | ||
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On August 20 2016 04:50 disformation wrote: dude luna is you are some kind of necromancing braineashing alien kind of scum imma go ballustic Someone please get disformation out of Munich and into Hamburg where he'll be surrounded by Astra. *runs* Seriously though, I think you need to call it a night <3 | ||
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On August 20 2016 04:53 disformation wrote: iobsma ebe n runbing? or scared pf bring trumped? ![[image loading]](http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/06/06c631e85c47c29dfd79f086941ef10a15291aa5b0739989286d90de6d7ca658.jpg) | ||
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I take it EU players can only vote for EU players? IAMP is auto-lynch, but I have no idea whether he's EU or NA prplhz and GB are both mafia and I'll consolidate with the majority on either one. | ||
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##euvote iamperfection ##usavote GlowingBear (if this is allowed) Paging Damdred to this thread.... | ||
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On August 20 2016 08:32 iamperfection wrote: You guys are so bad ![[image loading]](http://www.meme.rumbaar.net/cache/fail/blue_screen_demotivator.jpeg_595.jpg) | ||
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Bye Lex and Skynx </3 ##unvote eu ##unvote usa ##euvote Artanis ##usavote Skynx In the meantime let's get a nuke on IAMP. Three down (two if any of those are third party), two to go let's hope. | ||
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It was a terrible response and he didn't even propose an alternate just objected to being checked. THIS WAS BEFORE THE WHOLE QT THING TOO. I'm still winding down a bit from bootcamp but I'll be back on a comp in 15. But I skimmed through the thread prior to bootcamp and I saw Artanis just trying to get the train off him. IAMP is confirmed mafia. There is ZERO way he shouldn't be dead at end of cycle tonight. | ||
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On August 20 2016 20:40 Koshi wrote: I forgot this but it is actually true... I don't understand why that isn't the first thing you said though. And there is a chance Palmar used a workaround. There are so many services that offer chat. There is no way we wont lynch you though. Your play has been pretty lacking and the shot on HF was horrible. You also changed your story with the "rng' shot. If it isn't you in that QT and somebody framed you they did a superb job. Pretty insane. But you need to die. It is obvious you didn't care about solving this game and now only care to not die. This post is exactly why the lynch needs to be Skynx. 1000% | ||
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On August 20 2016 22:51 prplhz wrote: iamperfection is NOT confirmed mafia Half the Sky is just saying stuff Re-read page 116. Clearly you missed it. There is zero reason to lie about what he did. | ||
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On August 20 2016 22:59 Dandel Ion wrote: that's really not why iamp is mafia hes mafia because he rolled over and doesnt play the game it is the meta the notification doesnt confirm him, but its best to not give him any ideas maybe scum are all too dumb to figure them out on their own Well regardless of how you look at it, he has to go, we kinda need to lynch mafia. Re-reading Artanis' filter at the moment. I'm voting 2 of the 3 on Artanis/Skynx/IAMP, just need to figure out which and where. | ||
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On August 20 2016 22:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Wow, no commitment. Where's your reasoning for... anything this game? I have no idea why you think what you think and that is very concerning. This is a pretty flat point pushing Damdred when you consider Damdred's had to be afk for largely RL reasons, also as a almost 100% mobile player, his thoughts will come out of nowhere as both alignments. Had this problem with him in Tortoise but was able to follow his thought process for other people. | ||
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On August 20 2016 23:09 prplhz wrote: tell me why scum iamperfection lied about it you don't even get a notification about being saved by a medic in a normal game, yet that's what he claimed. it makes no sense. especially because he obviously didn't get medic saved considering that no sane medic would save him. You're ignoring the possibility of mafia-aligned medics and I know they are possible in themed games. He was near universally scumread before the end of night 1. | ||
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Additional KP (I understand we have a 4th?) should be going towards GB. Europe: Artanis (5): Koshi, IAMP (3): Damdred (1): Artanis USA: Skynx (8): Koshi, disformation, Rels, Kitaman, HTS, Fecalfeast, MZ, Dandel Ion GlowingBear (1): sicklucker (0): I'm pretty sure mafia have vote manipulation here, so we really need to be careful. | ||
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On August 21 2016 04:08 Rels wrote: Skynx is super likely scum Gonna vote GB for the second one. Iamp is a good choice too I feel Most people on the EU side are on IAMP, I will probabIy switch because I don't want mafia to tamper with the lynch. I hate leaving Artanis alive, but we should lynch most probable mafia, and I think the vig shot should be left on some mix of scummy lurkers - GB/Trfel/prplhz/what have you. Also whoever mentioned scumming Artanis, I changed that read towards end of day 1 prior to getting shot. Also really hate that Trfel only pops up when he's mentioned. His activity is dismal as either alignment but I'm definitely not seeing the quality posts he's capable of. | ||
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##euvote iamperfection Going to do a vote tally... ....but if votes were close to what they were prior to my going out, EU votes should consolidate (last I checked) on IAMP, US on Skynx. | ||
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On August 21 2016 04:08 disformation wrote: whos getting nuked again? there was a nuke yesterdayß Damdred was TBD on that one I think last I checked. | ||
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Europe: IAMP (6): Artanis (4): Koshi, GlowingBear (1): Rels Damdred (0): USA: Skynx (8): Koshi, disformation, Rels, Kitaman, HTS, Fecalfeast, MZ, Dandel Ion, Trfel (1): Artanis GlowingBear (0): sicklucker (0): | ||
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On August 21 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote: why are we lynching Skynx? doesn't anyone remember that one post that had him town for tone? QT snippets outed him as mafia. You probably missed it. | ||
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Ich bin glucklich mit dem Abstimmung. | ||
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(disformation can verify this too ) | ||
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On August 21 2016 06:48 Dandel Ion wrote: gb shape trfl kurumi or ff just kp a lurker imo This. | ||
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On August 21 2016 06:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Damdred said he already shot/nuked? GB. He did? I thought he was keeping that to himself. | ||
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On August 21 2016 06:50 Dandel Ion wrote: you dropped an umlaut i picked it up for you: ü also der not dem Danke sehr. Deutsche sprache, schwere sprache. :/ | ||
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On August 21 2016 06:58 Dandel Ion wrote: stutters maaaaaay be town kurumis alignment literally doesnt matter but i dont think modkills will ever be a thing this game so we actually do need to take care of the lurkers somehow It's a Palmar game, so it won't be unless they start acting like dicks, also which I highly doubt. | ||
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Town (no particular order) Koshi Kitaman disformation HTS Most Likely Town Lunaticman Damdred Town Lean MZ The "Why in the Bloody Hell Did You Sign Up for this Game" Category Stutters695 Kurumi Fecalfeast Tumblewood Under Review Artanis Third Party - Apparently Neutral Rels (hold him accountable in the late game but I think he's okay) Third Party - Anti-Town (implied or stated) IAMP (evaded lynch, can be dealt with via kp if he continues to mafia-side since a decent chuck of mafia might be bulletproof here) Scum Lean sicklucker (overall play, a few good points DI made on him) Shapelog (only pushes in filter have been against flipped town or townreads, really nothing but spam absent the day he was in the gulag) Mafia that can/should be dealt with via lynch GlowingBear (overall gameplay, evaded Damded's kp) prplhz (likely either third party anti town or mafia PGO given what happened to Vivax, overall gameplay has ranged from useless to disruptive, never mind post lynch comments) Chezinu (Koshi tone read him as mafia, aside from gameplay, evaded at least one vigshot from Luna but is willing to use nukes in spite of the global warming warnings. If he's not mafia, he's third party but given that he's evaded I believe a vigshot and a nuke, he will need to be lynched outright) | ||
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On August 22 2016 02:54 GlowingBear wrote: I said I could protect black people but actually black people protects me. You lynch me and you'll lose the game. Not a single mafia has died. I told you skynx was town... Lynch lunatic, art, prpl. Kill them. You'll hit mafia. You didn't provide a reason for this - we don't know if you had perfect information. | ||
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GB evaded Damdred's nuke, IDK if he's nukeproof but IAMP I don't think is bulletproof. We'd need lynches to take care of both GB or Chezinu. | ||
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On August 22 2016 08:20 Koshi wrote: I want it with my entire soul. Please give? I'll default to whichever one of my townreads gets the better of the powers I know all of you will act pro town and I trust you all (Kita/disformation/you). | ||
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On August 22 2016 08:15 sicklucker wrote: i have 1 full nuke. but i can also kill a non human each day. not sure if I can use both on one day I doubt it If you have two actives, you can use only one per cycle. | ||
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I already voted for Koshi. Also my interpretation of the voting was pretty much 2/3 of all votes minus those living in Space. | ||
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Chez/GB might need to be taken out via lynch, given they have already evaded attacks, unless TW is sure he can kill GB because of his affiliation, then go for it. Think I said that already before but just in case it was missed.... | ||
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(2) IF YOU ARE TOWN AND LOCATED IN SPACE, RALLY EVERYONE ELSE TO VOTE FOR KOSHI. (3) THOSE WHO CAN VOTE, SEND YOUR VOTES TO PALMAR. FAILURE TO DO (1) or (2), especially 1, means you are claiming scum. FWIW. <3 | ||
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On August 22 2016 20:53 disformation wrote: eh. you should also vote for koshi if you are in space, just to be safe. Remember that everyone could vote for the lynches regardless of nation and stuff? How I was able to kill a foreigner with fox news? I wouldn't be so sure with these things from the fluff description. I see. | ||
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(2) IF YOU ARE TOWN AND LOCATED IN SPACE, FAILURE TO DO EITHER, you are claiming scum. Fixed. <3 | ||
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On August 23 2016 03:53 sicklucker wrote: ya I just read iamps filter. I kind of believe his role. while we do need to probably take him out at some point theres no reason to believe hes lying and he feels like a waste of kp at the moment. Also doubt hes an alien so I would have to waste my 1 nuke on him I agree with this sentiment - on my end, I'm reading and re-reading Artanis, I am not sure he should be resolved today over GB/Chez/prplhz, the issue with IAMP is that he's openly opted to help scum, same issue with prplhz, regardless his alignment. GB/Chez should be first priority. I also agree that whilst Rels has claimed third party and re-reading his filter he has been underwhelming and there hasn't been much else aside from piling on Skynx. Which is why I wouldn't help him with any objective unless he's more readable as town. Seriously though, look at his filter - 90% of it can come from either alignment. Which I hate. GB/Chez evaded attacks which leads me to believe they are either vulnerable to either a certain type of attack or if they are kp-immune they have to be resolved via lynch. So if Chez evaded a nuke, do not nuke him again, you have to use a different type of kp or we need to secure a lynch. On the topic of IAMP, according to MafiaScum, lynchproof players are almost always one-shot, so we don't need to waste a lynch on IAMP again. I'd say kp him only if we have the others covered, but I don't think we have too much flying today. Though the way you are thinking, makes me want to move you up. We still have the lurker pool of Stutters/FF/Kurumi/Shapelog that is also problematic. I really hope any hard investigative roles will have sorted them out sooner rather than later. | ||
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On August 22 2016 14:17 Tumblewood wrote: yo town, I am in the best position to kill GB. I can attack him, and if it fails it will probably come back at me (I am also black), but I can evade some attacks which probably includes my own and it seems that I have a secondary objective to evade an attack. | ||
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On August 23 2016 04:19 disformation wrote: Shapelog was already poisoned by Luna. Dont waste more stuff on him. Shit I forgot that. My mistake. | ||
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On August 23 2016 04:20 disformation wrote: Didn't someone say chez is more serious as scum? Read his filter and it is far less funny/engaging than town!chez was in the star wars game. So I agree with that point. That was Koshi. And Chez has been anti-town (the nukes???) this game. So I think last time pro-nuke Chez was nuked, he evaded the nuke, so if anyone is going to deliver kp, it needs to NOT be a nuke if he's nuke proof. | ||
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On August 23 2016 04:24 Tumblewood wrote: chez and GB are claiming scum in my mind so I want to go after them top priority This. The main question/problem is we need to change up how kp was delivered. If Damdred used explosives and NOT a nuke on GB, you COULD try a nuke on GB for example. But TW is making the argument only a certain type of player can nuke GB, so IDK about that, you have to sort that specific attribute out. Chez evaded nukes, that one is simpler, deliver a non-nuke kp or outright secure a lynch and lynch him end of. | ||
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On August 23 2016 04:25 disformation wrote: Yes chez survived a kp and a nuke. Since he probably still is sitting in his bunker he probably is still nuke immune. Do you remember what type of kp? Shit. Eh.....lemme try and find it. So much shit to keep track of. | ||
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On August 21 2016 04:05 Lunaticman wrote: Also Also Chez surived my one shot town vigi attack. I don't know if we should allow him to live. I'd rather take out some of the inactives tbh. On August 21 2016 19:18 Lunaticman wrote: I will treat this as a threat to world security, these two players should be killed, we should avoid using nukes as much as Possible. In further news I have activiated the KGB. Chez seems to be immune to nukes since he claimed he had access to a bunker. Can someone else take care of him during the day phase? Artanis should be nuked. Bad news folks, I think we're going to have to outright lynch Chez otherwise it's gg. | ||
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On August 23 2016 04:34 disformation wrote: I don't think chez survies infinite nukes and infinite kp that would be ridiculous. I think he should be dead when hit with another kp. But I agree lynching him is more secure. No. This is why I am saying infinite, infinite types of (the same) kp. On August 21 2016 07:16 Palmar wrote: Danerys Targaryen Nationality: Westeros Faction: Town Starting Location: Pentos Traits: Handsome, Female Abilities:
So my assumption for the time being is that Chez is immune to nukes and whatever type of kp Luna hauled at him. If that was a classic vig shot then you could go with any kp that is not a vig shot or a nuke. I'm sure something has to kill Chez, but like you said, lynch would be best. | ||
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On August 23 2016 05:12 Fecalfeast wrote: I could roleblock chez during the day if that helps This would greatly help. (I am assuming roleblocking should affect those types of passives though.) | ||
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On August 23 2016 07:13 disformation wrote: @kita @luna can anyone of you do stuff? I'm aware of at least 2kp, possibly 3 of the people that claimed: sicklucker and Tumblewood. | ||
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On August 23 2016 07:24 prplhz wrote: Koshi isn't even dead he can appear just as fast as he disappeared this is a Caller game No idea what that means. I suggested banishment, that is the only conventional mechanic I know of that is closest to this. I won't speak for others but I was not around here in the days of Caller. So I have no idea what you mean by "a Caller game". Like are you suggesting "Caller" means bastard/troll/unpredictable roles? That's what I'm getting from context anyhow. | ||
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On August 23 2016 07:28 Kurumi wrote: you signed up for a caller game without knowing what a caller game is you got callered the moment you signed up I'm looking at the roster, and I know of at least 8 players who are more recent than I am (late 2014). In other words, I'm not the only one who doesn't know what that means. | ||
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On August 23 2016 07:45 kitaman27 wrote: This push/pull can actually be really good for us though. We essentially have as many kp as we want, assuming we coordinate correctly. One thing we have to be aware of is that mafia might have the ability to mess with the mechanics. For instance, in the 1st factory game the mafia team flipped the queue, killing the entire town in one cycle. Chez, GB, and prpl are probably the three that we should definitely incinerate. iamp, Shape, Rels are also worth consideration since we can kill them off with no loss of town kp. In the future if we decide we need to kill them, we might have to waste a cycle where we only have a single lynch. Okay, well I just blew my push before I saw this. Awesome. I also agree with your list. Also Shapelog was poisoned so he might already be dead regardless. | ||
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On August 23 2016 07:52 kitaman27 wrote: Heh you actually cost us 2 moves by moving chez to safety, but it's okay as long as nobody else wastes their vote Well Kurumi pulled him back for whatever reason, I'm not sure where the two comes from but I'm guessing pulling others back would have moved him further up? But yeah. | ||
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On August 23 2016 07:54 kitaman27 wrote: Okay, first we need to come up with the kill list. 1) chezinu 2) GlowingBear 3) prplhz Does anyone strongly oppose to these three for starters? Nope. Probably also want to throw IAMP on there too. Possibly Rels if he continues at the rate he is. | ||
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On August 23 2016 07:56 Tumblewood wrote: this makes prplhz 100% town imo. interesting thought but improbable. I should check if we can push the item. It's tinfoil but that could come from either alignment. It could also be a trap that locks you into place for all we know. It could be an "exempt" spot on the incinerator. There was no indication the item was "beneficial". Definitely no harm in asking though. | ||
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On August 23 2016 07:35 Palmar wrote: 4. Humans can be PoPed to the edge of the conveyor belt (aka the highest or lowest slot on the queue). If they are pushed past that they will escape the hellish nightmare. However for every player that escapes, the flames will burn brighter, making more spots "red" aka "dead". 5. You may not PoP yourself in most instances. 6. Humans have one Push and one Pull option per day. Use them wisely because once they are used you can not get them back on that day. 7. If you get to the Item, you will receive the item! Scratch what I said, it is an actual item. | ||
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Not to mention DI (more or less) confirmed me town day 1. If you want to argue against that, then go for it. OMGUSing anyone is really not going to get you anywhere. There are plenty of reasons to objectively call you scum, and none of it has anything to do with how you are reading me. I am also not the only one actually scumhunting. If you want to not take the game seriously, that's your perogative, but don't act all surprised when the people that want to actually play call you out for it and want to see you flip. We did eliminate a mafia, regardless of this being a Caller game or not. | ||
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Pushing anyone off the conveyor belt means another row (in this case, row 6) will become red, as in the incinerator becomes larger. "more spots on the incinerator...." etc. | ||
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On August 23 2016 07:35 Palmar wrote: 3. There is enough room for 2 humans to occupy the same spot on the conveyor belt. However if a 3rd human is PoPed into their spot that human is going to be PoPed into the next available spot in most cases. Clearly there are exceptions to this rule. 4. Humans can be PoPed to the edge of the conveyor belt (aka the highest or lowest slot on the queue). If they are pushed past that they will escape the hellish nightmare. However for every player that escapes, the flames will burn brighter, making more spots "red" aka "dead". How I understand #4 is that you can push someone off the conveyor belt and that player escapes (the hellish nightmare), but for those palyers left on, more of the incinerator is deadly. Ergo, what Kurumi did was anti-town. | ||
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On August 23 2016 08:14 Half the Sky wrote: How I understand #4 is that you can push someone off the conveyor belt and that player escapes (the hellish nightmare), but for those palyers left on, more of the incinerator is deadly. Ergo, what Kurumi did was anti-town. Or rather a rephrasing. 4. Humans can be PoPed to the edge of the conveyor belt (aka the highest or lowest slot on the queue). If they are pushed past that they will escape the hellish nightmare. However for every player that escapes, the flames will burn brighter, making more spots (on the conveyor belt) "red" aka "dead". Kita, can you confirm this? | ||
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On August 23 2016 08:17 prplhz wrote: "We" disformation. i really don't care that you think you're scum hunting when all you say is wrong and it results in dead townies. i suggested we lynch GlowingBear and Trfel yesterday. you suggested Skynx and iamperfection. i said that Skynx was town and that there was no real case on iamperfection. you lynched them anyway. now Skynx flipped town and iamperfection is 3rd party and Trfel flipped scum. i really don't care that you think you're scum hunting or that you feel entitled to a town read for it. there are plenty of reasons to objectively call me scum, and none of those are any good. I think you completely missed the part where scum shot me day/night 1 (or whenever it was). I had scumread Trfel day 1. Whether that directly led to disformation doing what he did to Trfel I don't know. But I know what I did. I've read your filter several times and tried to picture a world where you could be playing a suboptimal game, that's the other problem. At best you're disrupting town, there was one post where you used a lot of wifom to paint suspicion on Koshi/Kita/myself. If you're going to do something like that, at least get something from our filter and show why we are objectively scummy. You also hard scum read Chez at least a few times and inferred you either wanted to nuke him or see him eliminated because he wasn't transparent in his powers (paraphrasing), and the evolution of both your reads on Chezinu and Lunaticman are both very disconnected for you to have done what you've done now. Furthermore Chezinu has done nothing to advance the game, so where you get the townread on him (seeing as you inferred Kita's list was a bunch of townies) makes no sense. As for IAMP he's continued acting very anti-town and openly displayed a willingness to end the game, so we (town) have to fight that as well. You saying Skynx was town doesn't make you town either, you very well could have had TMI. | ||
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On August 23 2016 08:23 Tumblewood wrote: ideally: - we as town get the item - GB, chezinu, iamp, prplhz, and maybe kurumi die - no one falls off the edge (too unpredictable for my taste) I'd ordinarily be with this, but Kitaman did warn of a mafia tampering with the belt so that could be a huge problem. Someone more experienced might need to come up with "compromise" methods around this or how better to plan for something like that. Probably can't, IDK. GB/Chez/prplhz need to 100% go. I won't argue with that. | ||
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I'm definitely glad I negated Kurumi's move there now. | ||
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Not sure if we want to have a backup plan in the event Mafia have nullification powers or there is a trap application in the belt. I'm looking at Kita/MZ to gauge the likeliness of this in the current lynch mechanic and/or do we want to plan for this or around it. I don't think we can predict an RNG trap but the nullification on the other hand... I thought I'd throw that out there. | ||
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On August 23 2016 15:00 disformation wrote: shape should still be poisoned, so dont wsste stuff on him Kita argued he can defy KP just like others did. | ||
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We should also keep track for ourselves how many pushes and pulls we have left. | ||
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13 pushes left/17 pulls (all counted) 10 pushes left/13 pulls (discounting those apparently headed to the furnace) Tumblewood push pull Artanis[Xp] Rels Lunaticman push pull kitaman27 push pull Stutters695 push pull Damdred push pull Shapelog push pull Fecalfeast push pull Disformation push pull GlowingBear push pull iamperfection push pull sicklucker push pull Meapak_Ziphh push pull Chezinu push pull prplhz Kurumi Half the Sky | ||
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On August 23 2016 09:19 Tumblewood wrote: + Show Spoiler [current position] + 1.[__________][___________] 2.[___________][__________] 3.[__Item__][__________] 4.[__________][__________] 5.[_GlowingBear_][_Lunaticman_] 6.[_Damdred_][_Disformation_] 7.[_Stutters_][_fecalfeast_] 8.[___________][_Shapelog_] 9.[_Half the Sky_][_iamperfection_] 10.[_sicklucker_][___Rels___] 11.[_Artanis[Xp]_][___________] 12.[__prplhz__][_Meapak_Ziphh_] 13.[_Chezinu_][__Kurumi__] 14.[_Kitaman27_][_Tumblewood_] 15.[__________][__________] 1 push on kurumi 1 push on chez 1 push on prp + Show Spoiler [we are here] + 1.[__________][___________] 2.[___________][__________] 3.[__Item__][__________] 4.[__prplhz__][__________] 5.[_GlowingBear_][_Lunaticman_] 6.[_Damdred_][_Disformation_] 7.[_Stutters_][_fecalfeast_] 8.[_Chezinu_][_Shapelog_] 9.[_Half the Sky_][_iamperfection_] 10.[_sicklucker_][___Rels___] 11.[_Artanis[Xp]_][__Kurumi__] 12.[__________][_Meapak_Ziphh_] 13.[__________][__________] 14.[_Kitaman27_][_Tumblewood_] 15.[__________][__________] 1 push on kurumi 1 push on disfo (assume we don't use the item / it doesn't change everything drastically) 1 pull on disfo + Show Spoiler [we are here] + 1.[__________][___________] 2.[___________][__________] 3.[__________][__________] 4.[__prplhz__][__Kurumi__] 5.[_GlowingBear_][_Lunaticman_] 6.[_Damdred_][_Disformation w/item_] 7.[_Stutters_][_fecalfeast_] 8.[_Chezinu_][_Shapelog_] 9.[_Half the Sky_][_iamperfection_] 10.[_sicklucker_][___Rels___] 11.[_Artanis[Xp]_][__________] 12.[__________][_Meapak_Ziphh_] 13.[__________][__________] 14.[_Kitaman27_][_Tumblewood_] 15.[__________][__________] 1 push on iamp 1 push on chez 1 push on GB + Show Spoiler [we are here] + 1.[__________][___________] 2.[_GlowingBear_][__________] 3.[_iamperfection_][_Chezinu_] 4.[__________prplhz__][__Kurumi__] 5.[__________][_Lunaticman_] 6.[_Damdred_][_Disformation w/item_] 7.[_Stutters_][_fecalfeast_] 8.[__][_Shapelog_] 9.[_Half the Sky_][__________] 10.[_sicklucker_][___Rels___] 11.[_Artanis[Xp]_][__________] 12.[__________][_Meapak_Ziphh_] 13.[__________][__________] 14.[_Kitaman27_][_Tumblewood_] 15.[__________][__________] 1 pull on luna (maybe) 1 pull on damdred 1 pull on disfo + Show Spoiler [final position] + 1.[__________][___________] 2.[_GlowingBear_][__________] 3.[_iamperfection_][_Chezinu_] 4.[__prplhz__][__Kurumi__] 5.[__________][__________] 6.[__________][__________] 7.[_Stutters_][_fecalfeast_] 8.[_Lunaticman_][_Shapelog_] 9.[_Half the Sky_][_Damdred_] 10.[_sicklucker_][___Rels___] 11.[_Artanis[Xp]_][_Disformation w/item_] 12.[__________][_Meapak_Ziphh_] 13.[__________][__________] 14.[_Kitaman27_][_Tumblewood_] 15.[__________][__________] we have 1 PoP of buffer room for every change. woohoo! takes 8 pushes and 4 pulls looks good. if kita agrees were doing thst. just tell mexwhat/when to use my stuff[/QUOTE] It looks like we need three pushes on Kurumi, Chez and prplhz in that order. Then Kurumi needs to be pushed again. So 4 pushes successively before we pull disformation to safety. We need way more people here though, that's the problem right now. | ||
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Original On August 23 2016 09:19 Tumblewood wrote: + Show Spoiler [current position] + 1.[__________][___________] 2.[___________][__________] 3.[__Item__][__________] 4.[__________][__________] 5.[_GlowingBear_][_Lunaticman_] 6.[_Damdred_][_Disformation_] 7.[_Stutters_][_fecalfeast_] 8.[___________][_Shapelog_] 9.[_Half the Sky_][_iamperfection_] 10.[_sicklucker_][___Rels___] 11.[_Artanis[Xp]_][___________] 12.[__prplhz__][_Meapak_Ziphh_] 13.[_Chezinu_][__Kurumi__] 14.[_Kitaman27_][_Tumblewood_] 15.[__________][__________] 1 push on kurumi 1 push on chez 1 push on prp + Show Spoiler [we are here] + 1.[__________][___________] 2.[___________][__________] 3.[__Item__][__________] 4.[__prplhz__][__________] 5.[_GlowingBear_][_Lunaticman_] 6.[_Damdred_][_Disformation_] 7.[_Stutters_][_fecalfeast_] 8.[_Chezinu_][_Shapelog_] 9.[_Half the Sky_][_iamperfection_] 10.[_sicklucker_][___Rels___] 11.[_Artanis[Xp]_][__Kurumi__] 12.[__________][_Meapak_Ziphh_] 13.[__________][__________] 14.[_Kitaman27_][_Tumblewood_] 15.[__________][__________] 1 push on kurumi 1 push on disfo (assume we don't use the item / it doesn't change everything drastically) 1 pull on disfo + Show Spoiler [we are here] + 1.[__________][___________] 2.[___________][__________] 3.[__________][__________] 4.[__prplhz__][__Kurumi__] 5.[_GlowingBear_][_Lunaticman_] 6.[_Damdred_][_Disformation w/item_] 7.[_Stutters_][_fecalfeast_] 8.[_Chezinu_][_Shapelog_] 9.[_Half the Sky_][_iamperfection_] 10.[_sicklucker_][___Rels___] 11.[_Artanis[Xp]_][__________] 12.[__________][_Meapak_Ziphh_] 13.[__________][__________] 14.[_Kitaman27_][_Tumblewood_] 15.[__________][__________] 1 push on iamp 1 push on chez 1 push on GB + Show Spoiler [we are here] + 1.[__________][___________] 2.[_GlowingBear_][__________] 3.[_iamperfection_][_Chezinu_] 4.[__________prplhz__][__Kurumi__] 5.[__________][_Lunaticman_] 6.[_Damdred_][_Disformation w/item_] 7.[_Stutters_][_fecalfeast_] 8.[__][_Shapelog_] 9.[_Half the Sky_][__________] 10.[_sicklucker_][___Rels___] 11.[_Artanis[Xp]_][__________] 12.[__________][_Meapak_Ziphh_] 13.[__________][__________] 14.[_Kitaman27_][_Tumblewood_] 15.[__________][__________] 1 pull on luna (maybe) 1 pull on damdred 1 pull on disfo + Show Spoiler [final position] + 1.[__________][___________] 2.[_GlowingBear_][__________] 3.[_iamperfection_][_Chezinu_] 4.[__prplhz__][__Kurumi__] 5.[__________][__________] 6.[__________][__________] 7.[_Stutters_][_fecalfeast_] 8.[_Lunaticman_][_Shapelog_] 9.[_Half the Sky_][_Damdred_] 10.[_sicklucker_][___Rels___] 11.[_Artanis[Xp]_][_Disformation w/item_] 12.[__________][_Meapak_Ziphh_] 13.[__________][__________] 14.[_Kitaman27_][_Tumblewood_] 15.[__________][__________] we have 1 PoP of buffer room for every change. woohoo! takes 8 pushes and 4 pulls It looks like we need three pushes on Kurumi, Chez and prplhz in that order. Then Kurumi needs to be pushed again. So 4 pushes successively before we pull disformation to safety. We need way more people here though, that's the problem right now. | ||
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(1) Get GB/Chezinu/prplhz in the red/push them up as stated in the main plan (2) Get disformation out | ||
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On August 23 2016 22:12 disformation wrote: yup. would love to get like 6kp out of this, but depending on how powerful the item is and/or who shows up when, we might need to play it a bit safer. One thing I read in Death Factory 2 that then-host Ace was scolding the town (that conceded lol) was that town were trying to burn too many scum at once. In that game syllogism was the obvious mafia but town were divided on trying to take syllo, and zendor and someone else out all at once and got nothing achieved. (There was the additional issue of town failing to pull scum off when they had the opportunity but that's a moot point here.) TLDR: Focus on the consensus targets/saves first, and keep it simple. I wouldn't even try and think ahead on the what if's, but that's the lesson I took away from reading the DF games. Okay, now I'm out. | ||
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We need exactly 4 people to do this in order: (1) Push Kurumi to position 11 (2) Push Chezinu to position 8 (3) Push prplhz (from position 12) straight to the danger zonein position 4 (4) Push Kurumi again from position 11 to position 4 Row 4 (prplhz/Kurumi) and Row 5 (GB/Luna) will be full so only at that point (5) Pull disformation from row 3 to safety (6) Push Chezinu from row 8 to danger in row 3 Someone can double check me on this, but that's what I'm seeing. The first four if I'm reading correctly have to be done in succession, and I've already used up my push because Kurumi tried to pull Chezinu to safety last night. | ||
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Now we need minimum 5 pushes to make this work and get the three out that we want out. We also have to push GB further into the furnace to prevent anyone from saving him, so make that six. | ||
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If we ignore Kurumi I think we could make do with less pulls but I have to double check and I'd rather two people be working on this. But I do not want you two in row 6 in the event scum yolo and push GB off from row 2 or push you back into the furnace, but have a lot more pulls to work with. And I have to get back to work. Need to spend some time separately on the thing. Paging Tumblewood to the thread... | ||
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On August 23 2016 23:21 Half the Sky wrote: I don't think your stuff is entirely correct but I need to actually write that down and double check. If we ignore Kurumi I think we could make do with less But I do not want you two in row 6 in the event scum yolo and push GB off from row 2 or push you back into the furnace, but have a lot more pulls to work with. And I have to get back to work. Need to spend some time separately on the thing. Paging Tumblewood to the thread... I meant pushes here, not pulls. Just saw this. | ||
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On August 23 2016 23:29 disformation wrote: shit. i found a huge error in my plan. forget that. yeh it didn't look right. nice we have TW here, we have Kitaman....FF you here? disformation if you have a push left, we have our four to put into place the first part of the plan, and then someone has to pull disformation (not himself ofc). | ||
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On August 23 2016 07:35 Palmar wrote: Game Mechanics: 1. Unlike normal voting this day works on a Push and Pull system. If you type ## push: player then that player will be bumped up one spot (+1) in the queue. If you type ## pull: player then they will be bumped down (-1) in the queue. Any lethal spots in the queue will be highlighted in red. At the end of the Day any players in a red numbered queue will be incinerated. Realize that multiple mass lynches are possible. Be careful. 2. Please "vote" in the following format: ##Push Qatol or ## Pull Qatol. "Votes" from here on in refered to as Push or Pulls aka PoPs not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update PoP counts whenever I get the chance 3. There is enough room for 2 humans to occupy the same spot on the conveyor belt. However if a 3rd human is PoPed into their spot that human is going to be PoPed into the next available spot in most cases. Clearly there are exceptions to this rule. 4. Humans can be PoPed to the edge of the conveyor belt (aka the highest or lowest slot on the queue). If they are pushed past that they will escape the hellish nightmare. However for every player that escapes, the flames will burn brighter, making more spots "red" aka "dead". 5. You may not PoP yourself in most instances. 6. Humans have one Push and one Pull option per day. Use them wisely because once they are used you can not get them back on that day. 7. If you get to the Item, you will receive the item! From #1 with Artanis and Rels both pushing disformation, unless I'm reading this wrong, disformation should already be in row 3. | ||
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On August 23 2016 23:44 Rels wrote: I might be stupid but I just now realized that we need to push who we want to burn now, THEN pull disfo in order to use less moves That's what I was trying to say. I am pretty sure disformation is in row 3 and in possession of the item and not standing next to the item. How did this work in Death Factory 1 and 2? | ||
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On August 24 2016 01:37 sicklucker wrote: well hts kita tell me who to use my push on plz ty for organising this We're trying to sort this out, hang tight. | ||
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On August 24 2016 01:14 Palmar wrote: 1.[__________][___________] 2.[___________][__________] 3.[_Disformation_][__________] 4.[__________][__________] 5.[_GlowingBear_][_Lunaticman_] 6.[_Damdred_][_____________] 7.[_Stutters_][_fecalfeast_] 8.[___________][_Shapelog_] 9.[_Half the Sky_][_iamperfection_] 10.[_sicklucker_][___Rels___] 11.[_Artanis[Xp]_][___________] 12.[__prplhz__][_Meapak_Ziphh_] 13.[_Chezinu_][__Kurumi__] 14.[_Kitaman27_][_Tumblewood_] 15.[__________][__________] Okay sicklucker pulled Luna, that gives us 1.[__________][___________] 2.[___________][__________] 3.[_Disformation_][__________] 4.[__________][__________] 5.[_GlowingBear_][_____________] 6.[_Damdred_][_Lunaticman_] 7.[_Stutters_][_fecalfeast_] 8.[___________][_Shapelog_] 9.[_Half the Sky_][_iamperfection_] 10.[_sicklucker_][___Rels___] 11.[_Artanis[Xp]_][___________] 12.[__prplhz__][_Meapak_Ziphh_] 13.[_Chezinu_][__Kurumi__] 14.[_Kitaman27_][_Tumblewood_] 15.[__________][__________] push Kurumi from 13 to 11 (we cannot/shouldn't/might not be able to kill him today, but blocking row 11 allows the real targets to get to the red zone faster) push Chezinu from row 13 to 8 push prplhz from row 12 to row 5 1.[__________][___________] 2.[___________][__________] 3.[_Disformation_][__________] 4.[__________][__________] 5.[_GlowingBear_][__prplhz__] 6.[_Damdred_][_Lunaticman_] 7.[_Stutters_][_fecalfeast_] 8..[_Chezinu_][_Shapelog_] 9.[_Half the Sky_][_iamperfection_] 10.[_sicklucker_][___Rels___] 11.[_Artanis[Xp]_][__Kurumi__] 12.[_____________][_Meapak_Ziphh_] 13. [___________][___________] 14.[_Kitaman27_][_Tumblewood_] 15.[__________][__________] That is where we are with those three steps. Continuing.... | ||
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On August 24 2016 01:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I also think Kurumi is town because he started caring in a very genuine fashion. He started caring because he was under pressure which isn't alignment indicative but there is another post in his filter that MIGHT indicate he's town. He has been extremely trolly otherwise. Regardless it's not a good idea right now to prioritise him for the furnace. | ||
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On August 24 2016 01:14 Palmar wrote: 1.[__________][___________] 2.[___________][__________] 3.[_Disformation_][__________] 4.[__________][__________] 5.[_GlowingBear_][_Lunaticman_] 6.[_Damdred_][_____________] 7.[_Stutters_][_fecalfeast_] 8.[___________][_Shapelog_] 9.[_Half the Sky_][_iamperfection_] 10.[_sicklucker_][___Rels___] 11.[_Artanis[Xp]_][___________] 12.[__prplhz__][_Meapak_Ziphh_] 13.[_Chezinu_][__Kurumi__] 14.[_Kitaman27_][_Tumblewood_] 15.[__________][__________] Okay sicklucker pulled Luna, that gives us 1.[__________][___________] 2.[___________][__________] 3.[_Disformation_][__________] 4.[__________][__________] 5.[_GlowingBear_][_____________] 6.[_Damdred_][_Lunaticman_] 7.[_Stutters_][_fecalfeast_] 8.[___________][_Shapelog_] 9.[_Half the Sky_][_iamperfection_] 10.[_sicklucker_][___Rels___] 11.[_Artanis[Xp]_][___________] 12.[__prplhz__][_Meapak_Ziphh_] 13.[_Chezinu_][__Kurumi__] 14.[_Kitaman27_][_Tumblewood_] 15.[__________][__________] STEP 1: SET UP Chez/prplhz push Kurumi from 13 to 11 (we cannot/shouldn't/might not be able to kill him today, but blocking row 11 allows the real targets to get to the red zone faster) push Chezinu from row 13 to 8 push prplhz from row 12 to row 5 1.[__________][___________] 2.[___________][__________] 3.[_Disformation_][__________] 4.[__________][__________] 5.[_GlowingBear_][__prplhz__] 6.[_Damdred_][_Lunaticman_] 7.[_Stutters_][_fecalfeast_] 8..[_Chezinu_][_Shapelog_] 9.[_Half the Sky_][_iamperfection_] 10.[_sicklucker_][___Rels___] 11.[_Artanis[Xp]_][__Kurumi__] 12.[_____________][_Meapak_Ziphh_] 13. [___________][___________] 14.[_Kitaman27_][_Tumblewood_] 15.[__________][__________] STEP 2: Pull disformation ONCE, push Chez into danger, THEN disformation again This allows him to get to safety with only one added push pull disformation row 3 to row 4 push Chezinu row 8 to row 4 pull disformation row 4 to row 8 1.[__________][___________] 2.[___________][__________] 3.[__________][__________] 4. [_Chezinu_] [__________] 5.[_GlowingBear_][__prplhz__] 6.[_Damdred_][_Lunaticman_] 7.[_Stutters_][_fecalfeast_] 8.[_Disformation_][_Shapelog_] 9.[_Half the Sky_][_iamperfection_] 10.[_sicklucker_][___Rels___] 11.[_Artanis[Xp]_][__Kurumi__] 12.[_____________][_Meapak_Ziphh_] 13. [___________][___________] 14.[_Kitaman27_][_Tumblewood_] 15.[__________][__________] STEP 3: Protect Town, Isolate Targets push GlowingBear row 5 to row 4 pull Lunatic row 6 to row 12 - that protects town at least once push prplhz row 5 to row 3 then push row 14 I think? someone check this? | ||
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This allows partial clearing of row 14 Allows Chez and prplhz to die faster | ||
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On August 24 2016 02:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Pulling disfo can be done at any time right? Now would be fine? No, we need to fill spot 5 (he's in 4 currently) with either of prplhz and Chez - pushing those two needs to happen FIRST. | ||
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pull disformation from row 4 to row 5 push Chezinu from row 13 to row 8 push prplhz from row 12 to row 4 | ||
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On August 24 2016 02:21 disformation wrote: We need: push chez push prpl pull disfo @FF: can you push chez @Damdred: after FF pushed chez, push prpl and then pull me Go with this. Either way is fine but go with this. disformation I have to bolt for 10. | ||
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Tumblewood push pull Artanis[Xp] Rels Lunaticman push pull kitaman27 push pull Stutters695 push pull Damdred push pull Shapelog push pull Fecalfeast Disformation GlowingBear push pull iamperfection push pull sicklucker Meapak_Ziphh push pull Chezinu push pull prplhz Kurumi Half the Sky | ||
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On August 19 2016 02:10 Stutters695 wrote: Second night post, but I want to get this out there. I was the one who robbed GB. I received cash as well as a birth certificate which allows me to appear as a US citizen to checks, participate in elections and vote in the US. If it was just the money, I wouldn't have said anything but this calls into question his role claim to me. On August 19 2016 08:57 Stutters695 wrote: So do we know who won the tank/phone auctions. If no one claims winning, I'd be intersted to see what other people bid, because I'm fairly certain I can outbid anyone on this fish and use it as town sees fit once we know what it does. I just don't want to overbid by a ridiculous amount if it's avoidable. I'd also be fine with a nuke on GB unless he has a reasonable explanation This might be a good reason not to. | ||
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Look at his filter and give me a good reason why he should stick around... | ||
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I mentioned this lynch mechanic you have to keep it simple otherwise we (town) can get burnt very easily, no pun intended. Those two are too close to the edge they can pull themselves off danger as it stands. | ||
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On August 24 2016 03:37 disformation wrote: sry, this game is giving me trust issues. and anger management issues and sleep deprivation issues and productivity at work issues. ![[image loading]](https://cdn.meme.am/instances/63991499.jpg) <3 | ||
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On August 24 2016 03:38 Half the Sky wrote: Also Rels if you are town-siding here, you would know that you focus on securing the GB/Chez/prplhz lynches first by pushing them further into the furnace (I believe this should take two pushes?) I mentioned this lynch mechanic you have to keep it simple otherwise we (town) can get burnt very easily, no pun intended. Those two are too close to the edge they can pull themselves off danger as it stands. EBWOP Additionally, this is one of these games where we need to see some flips before finding the rest of the mafia. (And yes, Trfel's filter was a steaming pile of shit, but I digress.) | ||
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We are running out of pushes but bringing Luna to safety over Shapelog (the latter ending up in row 6 and Luna taking his spot) would cost a push and a pull. | ||
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On August 24 2016 02:54 Tumblewood wrote: ##push kitaman | ||
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Pulling Luna down now would also unfortunately expose us to mafia possibly pulling him off but IDK. And all the shady people have their pushes left. | ||
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Bear with me, I am refreshing and condensing my posts in my answers here. MZ, have at it, you should be able to follow my filter but any questions, let me know. I know I'll be reading and re-reading some filters as well with the new information in mind. I really have nothing to be afraid of. My biggest issue with prplhz is when you look at his points it was him calling people mafia for reasons that not mean necessarily being mafia and not thinking through the viewpoints from which our reads were coming from, He focused on the what and not the why and tried to see/ask for the why. I didn't even need a case, even a single post from our filters as to why he genuinely thought we (Kita/Koshi/myself he didn't trust) were mafia, and reading his filter, his read origins didn't make sense on several people and I know I pointed that out somewhere. It would have at the very least made me more readable to me. He kept saying we weren't nightkilled without any basis for additional points as to why we're scummy. I had to sit there and ask myself is he playing derpy town, and I felt at times he was running a form of thread disruption. You should be able to see that in my tone in the back and forth with him this past cycle. sicklucker had a few negative points about him, One thing DI called out was his buddying up to me when Kita was putting pressure on me regarding the bananas earlier in the game. I noticed that Damdred and others who were kind of just letting us cruise into a 0/3 evening will also have to be looked at more closely. Rels - however much his play up to this point did not advance town much here - is on point with that, I know Fecalfeast all did the same thing but I also want to backtrack to day 1. Of course, unless I'm forgetting something in his filter, besides pushing sicklucker, I'm not sure what he has done. I am worried we could/have been giving him a free pass. Also Rels to be fair, Kitaman actually engaged a few people, if you think he's legit scum, you will have to backtrack and see his play with all the new information day 1. Kurumi, I had a hard scum read on Chez, and given his post about "whom should I push and pull" I feared he was lurking and going to take someone down with him. Luna was on the edge, and I feared literally a 2359 push from him. Take that as you will. TBF I will have to re-evaluate everyone in different worlds - we're down to what, 14 players, (likely) 4 mafia, and 2 third parties, one of which we know is anti-town. | ||
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I'm glad disformation got to the same scum team I was able to work out although I kinda got to Kitaman and Stutters slightly different than you did. Damdred, similar where he tried to get people to shoot Trfel, but once I re-read his filter and his filter in context I was like ewwwwwww...... ##Mafia: kitaman27/Stutters/Damdred/Trfel/+1 Also IAMP's third party claim is likely true for reasons I will get into later - IAMP was pushed by 3/4 so they are unlikely of the same alignment. With the significant number of town flips, Trfel's filter goes from a steaming pile of shit to the realisation that be might have helped us get a little closer to the actual mafia. I am in a world of a five player mafia team, 4 of which we need to sort out. (Disformation, to answer your question - for m28, I would expect 5 mafia, once you hit 30, you could get away with six. 29-player JOAT had six.) Thinking through potential agendas, I am also in a world where 1-2 are active enough yet just under the radar, there's 1 player who is near universally townread, and there's 1 lurker. I want to walk everyone through Trfel's filter and explain a few things. Trfel has been virtually pushing townies all game (as has Damdred/Kita, but I'll get to that later). In his list post he also brings up a huge list of scummy people - keeping his options open. Post 2276/2657 On August 20 2016 03:19 Trfel wrote: List of Suspicious People Tumblewood + Show Spoiler + Only focused on begging for money at the start of the game, and hasn't been doing anything since then. His activity and involvement have been greatly reduced at the same time that everyone is completely ignoring him. Artanis + Show Spoiler + http://puu.sh/m65Ss/2e73e123af.png I forget how to actually make images appear, but whatever. The point is that much of the game is suspicious of Artanis, yet he has been barely caring at all, despite many people talking about actual reasons. He's just accepting it. Shapelog + Show Spoiler + I think he's very likely third party. He's been the most disinterested and uninvolved I've ever seen. I feel like he'd be more involved as both town and scum, since he's consistently shown that in the past. But his play feels purely reactionary and shows no motivation to actually do anything. GlowingBear + Show Spoiler + Vote manipulation in the election, and then choosing chaos. Then posted a bunch of useless info from random QTs. Feels like he used his NSA powers to try and compensate for his earlier actions without actually contributing. sicklucker + Show Spoiler + First he was defending Artanis, then attacking Artanis, then to the point of saying that if sicklucker dies, it means that Artanis is mafia and killed him, then defending Artanis again? And yet still using what he thought was (seemingly) a cop check on him?!?!!? All with zero reasoning the entire time... Chezinu + Show Spoiler + 107% of the vote, and over Superbia. With zero explanation, zero scumhunting, zero involving the town. On August 21 2016 03:16 Trfel wrote: New List of Suspicious People Tumblewood Artanis Skynx Shapelog GlowingBear iamperfection sicklucker Chezinu Can discuss reasons if necessary. Mostly the same as my previous list. Skynx added due to the QT, iamperfection added because of uninvolvement and claiming a notification. Reminds of of ritoky's play in Carol of the Bells where claiming a notification confirmed him as mafia. Need to head out for a bit. Need to think about this Artanis lynch, the QT seems really condemning but his protesting feels much more like town!Artanis than mafia. In a game with likely five mafia, Trfel has way more than this. This tells me he's keeping his options open to see where the wind blows. And as I've said correctly before (spoiler) + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2016 21:08 Half the Sky wrote: Trfel is someone that I know spins behaviour to be mafia when he is exclusively mafia. (1) Artanis had not been hiding the DGAF attitude so he didn't care that he was getting scumread for it, which is actually a towny trait (2) The so called bounty hunter role (or the action of controlling someone's body) is a mechanic that (knowing Palmar) could be assigned to either alignment (3) Onegu will "not care" what others think as town or scum (the latter example: see Outlaw). So I really don't like that post either. On August 17 2016 23:42 Half the Sky wrote: This is where I am: Not entirely sure/will need to be sussed out a bit more: GlowingBear (some townie thought towards the end, though I am deliberately ignoring mechs here, some similar reads to mine) Dandel Ion (meh) Lunaticman (need to really see actual reads and not just surviving on mech discussion) Grackaroni (originally was good but not remembering too many impactful posts from him more recently, falling under the radar?) MZ (some of his reads I liked but more content would make me more confident on him) The "dear vig, please take out the trash" pile: Rels (pending catching up) Stutters695 Kurumi Shapelog Fecalfeast Possible scum Trfel (it's somewhere in my filter) sicklucker (where are the reads) Chezinu (all he does is go on about his position, someone please shoot him, clearly he's not helping town even compared to Star Wars where you got some semblance he was trying to) Scum reads prplhz Onegu (I make no distinction between anti-town third parties and scum) IAP I would say that vigis should target the bottom six players. Trfel's mafia meta is taking things and spinning them to be mafia. Finally Trfel (ref: Fullmetal Mafia is my most recent recollection) consistently keeps teammates out of the spotlight. Trfel doesn't touch on Damdred or Rels at all. (Or Kurumi or Stutters695 or Fecalfeast) He brings up IAMP for uninvolvement....and fails to do the same for certain others. (Note: Yes we brought up both the notifications but I want to focus on the "uninvolvement" part because it points to a double standard.) Trfel also scumreads sicklucker for something sicklucker will do as both alignments. This makes me think there's a decent chance sicklucker might actually be town. A similar pattern with Tumblewood, who I was townreading for independent reasons: + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2016 05:06 Trfel wrote: His involvement is purely self-seeking, and not town seeking. Initially, he was only involved to get money for his secondary win condition. Now, he's completely uninvolved (after presumably receiving money and not being suspected). Again the MO of spinning something for something that doesn't make someone mafia. Here's another thought: The fact that Trfel lists IAMP on this list does actually support that Trfel and IAMP aren't same alignment and that IAMP really is likely to be third party. Rels on the other hand had done zero up to that point and yet isn't mentioned here. Something to consider. I have independent reasons to townread Kurumi so I will leave him out. Contrast Trfel's approach with Artanis' (example) + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2016 20:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: People that may be carpet bombed for afkness Stutters695 Rels Shapelog Fecalfeast sicklucker Kurumi Trfel? People that may be carpet bombed because they stink of mafia Onegu prplhz sicklucker iamperfection People that are in both lists sicklucker Preferred target acquired. I was looking at both these people and Kita and Damdred and you can see similarities in how Trfel, Kita and Damdred try and push similar scummy townies but then leave out others. But I'll get to the other two later. There are other "little things" that add up to a mafia Kita (NK WIFOM via Vivax, suggesting to lynch Trfel once it was known Trfel would die, with all the scummy townies we had this game, he had a very clean game, which is mafia meta similar to Peraonality 2) but goddamn this is my last post. This is how Kita rolls. (And I'll explain a bit more...) + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2016 11:13 kitaman27 wrote: Haven't bothered with filter dives yet, but aside from maybe 1 afk straggler, the mafias are in here. Onegu prplhz Artanis[Xp] Lunaticman - current town read Dandel Ion Shapelog GlowingBear iamperfection sicklucker Meapak_Ziphh - also a town read Chezinu I'll see if I can narrow this down a bit more and come up with a top 3 or something. On August 17 2016 23:53 kitaman27 wrote: I would move GB and Luna down to one of the lower tiers and suggest the vig's focus on the scum reads, while using investigative roles on the trash pile, but this is a solid list overall. Pay attention to that above quote - I have Trfel/Rels (???)/Stutters in my third and fourth categories and kita wants the vigis to shoot GB/Luna and the three scum reads I have (prplhz/Onegu/IAMP). TLDR: Trfel's method of leaving his options open, keeping scum teammates out of the limelight (consistent with mafia meta) and spinning mafia-indicative reasoning make it fairly likely that sicklucker is town here. Similarly, Damdred, Rels, Stutters, Kurumi have an additional point for scrutiny on that end. Stutters being left out by both him and Kita and Kita not wanting to burn 99% Stutters, makes me think he's it. But Trfel approach is also similar to how Kitaman has proceeded this game. (I think Fecalfeast is town and apparently Koshi had information that cleared him as town, he does not have a readily defined meta as he's been lazy as both alignments. I will still re-read his filter for context as I narrow things down. The same thing goes for Kurumi at this point.) 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With the significant number of town flips, Trfel's filter goes from a steaming pile of shit to the realisation that be might have helped us get a little closer to the actual mafia. I am in a world of a five player mafia team, 4 of which we need to sort out. (Disformation, to answer your question - for m28, I would expect 5 mafia, once you hit 30, you could get away with six. 29-player JOAT had six.) Thinking through potential agendas, I am also in a world where 1-2 are active enough yet just under the radar, there's 1 player who is near universally townread, and there's 1 lurker. I want to walk everyone through Trfel's filter and explain a few things. Trfel has been virtually pushing townies all game and generally does when he's mafia. Slight wifom disclaimer as he was close to dying when trying to put out his last set of reads but the vast majority of those had flipped town and I have a town read on Tumblewood. In his list post he also brings up a huge list of scummy people - keeping his options open. Post 2276/2657 On August 20 2016 03:19 Trfel wrote: List of Suspicious People Tumblewood + Show Spoiler + Only focused on begging for money at the start of the game, and hasn't been doing anything since then. His activity and involvement have been greatly reduced at the same time that everyone is completely ignoring him. Artanis + Show Spoiler + http://puu.sh/m65Ss/2e73e123af.png I forget how to actually make images appear, but whatever. The point is that much of the game is suspicious of Artanis, yet he has been barely caring at all, despite many people talking about actual reasons. He's just accepting it. Shapelog + Show Spoiler + I think he's very likely third party. He's been the most disinterested and uninvolved I've ever seen. I feel like he'd be more involved as both town and scum, since he's consistently shown that in the past. But his play feels purely reactionary and shows no motivation to actually do anything. GlowingBear + Show Spoiler + Vote manipulation in the election, and then choosing chaos. Then posted a bunch of useless info from random QTs. Feels like he used his NSA powers to try and compensate for his earlier actions without actually contributing. sicklucker + Show Spoiler + First he was defending Artanis, then attacking Artanis, then to the point of saying that if sicklucker dies, it means that Artanis is mafia and killed him, then defending Artanis again? And yet still using what he thought was (seemingly) a cop check on him?!?!!? All with zero reasoning the entire time... Chezinu + Show Spoiler + 107% of the vote, and over Superbia. With zero explanation, zero scumhunting, zero involving the town. On August 21 2016 03:16 Trfel wrote: New List of Suspicious People Tumblewood Artanis Skynx Shapelog GlowingBear iamperfection sicklucker Chezinu Can discuss reasons if necessary. Mostly the same as my previous list. Skynx added due to the QT, iamperfection added because of uninvolvement and claiming a notification. Reminds of of ritoky's play in Carol of the Bells where claiming a notification confirmed him as mafia. Need to head out for a bit. Need to think about this Artanis lynch, the QT seems really condemning but his protesting feels much more like town!Artanis than mafia. In a game with likely five mafia, Trfel has way more than this. This tells me he's keeping his options open to see where the wind blows. And as I've said correctly before (spoiler) + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2016 21:08 Half the Sky wrote: Trfel is someone that I know spins behaviour to be mafia when he is exclusively mafia. (1) Artanis had not been hiding the DGAF attitude so he didn't care that he was getting scumread for it, which is actually a towny trait (2) The so called bounty hunter role (or the action of controlling someone's body) is a mechanic that (knowing Palmar) could be assigned to either alignment (3) Onegu will "not care" what others think as town or scum (the latter example: see Outlaw). So I really don't like that post either. On August 17 2016 23:42 Half the Sky wrote: This is where I am: Not entirely sure/will need to be sussed out a bit more: GlowingBear (some townie thought towards the end, though I am deliberately ignoring mechs here, some similar reads to mine) Dandel Ion (meh) Lunaticman (need to really see actual reads and not just surviving on mech discussion) Grackaroni (originally was good but not remembering too many impactful posts from him more recently, falling under the radar?) MZ (some of his reads I liked but more content would make me more confident on him) The "dear vig, please take out the trash" pile: Rels (pending catching up) Stutters695 Kurumi Shapelog Fecalfeast Possible scum Trfel (it's somewhere in my filter) sicklucker (where are the reads) Chezinu (all he does is go on about his position, someone please shoot him, clearly he's not helping town even compared to Star Wars where you got some semblance he was trying to) Scum reads prplhz Onegu (I make no distinction between anti-town third parties and scum) IAP I would say that vigis should target the bottom six players. Trfel's mafia meta is taking things and spinning them to be mafia. Finally Trfel (ref: Fullmetal Mafia is my most recent recollection) consistently keeps teammates out of the spotlight. Trfel doesn't touch on Damdred or Rels at all, or Kurumi, Stutters, or Fecalfeast. He brings up IAMP for uninvolvement....and fails to do the same for certain others. (Note: Yes we brought up both the notifications but I want to focus on the "uninvolvement" part because it points to a double standard.) Trfel also scumreads sicklucker for something sicklucker will do as both alignments. This makes me think there's a decent chance sicklucker might actually be town. A similar pattern with Tumblewood, who I was townreading for independent reasons: + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2016 05:06 Trfel wrote: His involvement is purely self-seeking, and not town seeking. Initially, he was only involved to get money for his secondary win condition. Now, he's completely uninvolved (after presumably receiving money and not being suspected). Again the MO of spinning something for something that doesn't make someone mafia. Here's another thought: The fact that Trfel lists IAMP on this list does actually support that Trfel and IAMP aren't same alignment and that IAMP really is likely to be third party. Rels on the other hand had done zero up to that point and yet isn't mentioned here. Something to consider. I have independent reasons to townread Kurumi so I will leave him out from the association list for now. Contrast Trfel's approach with Artanis' (example) + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2016 20:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: People that may be carpet bombed for afkness Stutters695 Rels Shapelog Fecalfeast sicklucker Kurumi Trfel? People that may be carpet bombed because they stink of mafia Onegu prplhz sicklucker iamperfection People that are in both lists sicklucker Preferred target acquired. Artanis takes all the scummy looking people at that point (Damdred was decent Day 1 and disjoined reads he's had as town so I figured he was okay) and doesn't ignore anyone. TLDR: Trfel's read formation indicates that sicklucker is more likely to be town, same for Tumble, and less likely so for Stutters/Rels/Damdred/Fecalfeast/Kurumi, on that point alone. + Show Spoiler + (sicklucker is more likely to be town as well esp when combined with the agendas of the others, but that is more associative at this time, until there's an additional flip.) Why did Trfel pay attention to those he did and not some of the others? It's a double standard. Now are all those people mafia? Probably not. I was independently townreading TW, and Kurumi could be town. Fecalfeast has been lazy as both alignments and Stutters is low volume as both alignments. | ||
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Koshi what are your abilities and why did you use the Zeus power what did you think it would do? And what else do you have? | ||
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On August 25 2016 07:51 sicklucker wrote: no but theres acualy no reason why koshi is town. he probably is but at the same time he can be mafia and were screwed I disagree, plenty of reason to townread him early on and literally right up tot he daypost, but I don't know why he's acting the way he is now. I can't tell at the moment if the Zeus thing was intentional or not. Damdred bowing right away makes me NOT want to bow either. | ||
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Okay.....seriously.... How many beers did you have tonight? Maybe I'm going to pretend you're actually drunk IRL and just put you on ignore until tomorrow morning, okay? | ||
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On August 25 2016 07:54 sicklucker wrote: and literraly everyone in the game is saying dandred is scum so he probably is..? maybe? kappa Okay so Koshi's on ignore for 10-12 hours. If he is still like this tomorrow morning then I'll deal. SL, what are your thoughts on the scum team besides Damdred? | ||
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Can you just explain why you did what you did? (Did you know what you were doing?) | ||
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On August 25 2016 07:51 Kurumi wrote: hts you just gave me a heart attack, i think it might be fatal considering im old Trust me it wasn't intentional. Koshi's behaviour is amusing but I don't know if he's trying to achieve an objective, was converted to mafia or sabotaged by mafia. And disformation died full stop, I'd expect Koshi normally to be WAY more cautious or at least disclose what he had. | ||
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On August 25 2016 07:58 sicklucker wrote: your town and probably kur is town? i donno tumbleweed 60% scum. kita might be scum Anything in particular? | ||
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Still post-game town cred is never a bad thing, too bad it took 5 town flips for us to get somewhat on track. | ||
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On August 25 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote: I'm shooting kurumi and I have other information If you're old, how are you shooting? And what other information? | ||
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On August 25 2016 08:05 Half the Sky wrote: If you're old, how are you shooting? And what other information? Never mind, ninjaed. On August 25 2016 08:04 Damdred wrote: All kp is eod sl so going to take my objective with me On August 25 2016 08:05 Damdred wrote: Actually who knows if my kp will even work lol | ||
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On August 25 2016 08:06 Koshi wrote: TLDR: You are all going to die. Meh, typical. GGs I guess. | ||
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On August 25 2016 08:11 Damdred wrote: I kept my arm canon even though I'm retired though it's a 50/50 if it goes off or kills me in the process apparently blah. Anyway kur has a bounty on him I guess? Though soviets are some so maybe not at the same time. Not sure. Also used my surveillance drone the past two nights so there is that So you could use your stuff at night? And the information gained from that would be........? | ||
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Kitaman I have several problems with your reads, but I will take the time to literally pull stuff from the top to the bottom of your filter. Offhand: (1) the read of Stutters for one, he did shit all other than a read on GB, so how does a lurky player as both alignments make it to your 99% don't lynch list (2) I am sure I called you out on this before but if I didn't I'll bring it up again, you kept suspecting Lunaticman for role reads earlier on, why did you discount the fact he was new to themed games and didn't know any better? (or pull the relevant quote if you answered this and I missed it) There were a few others but I literally have to be able to sit down and pull through your filter, yes everyone was wrong, but it's an issue of how and why. Separately Stutters completely ignoring disformation's wall on Kita and responding to Kitaman the way he did indicates a Kita/Stutters team, even if loosely (posts were 15m apart, not like seconds): + Show Spoiler + On August 25 2016 01:12 Stutters695 wrote: I agree they probably have some janitor-esque role, but there is certainly no way it was that many of them. With how much of this is played behind the scenes, you can't really tell. I still have GBs berth birth certificate, and no one else has had items appear when they flip so it could be explained like that. My role also has a post-death power that gets substantially weaker if it's mechanics are known, so I assume that would be left out of my flip if I die. Although I'm hoping this is just a really bastardized game that has no scum because the world is supposed to end. That would be amazing. Another thing pointing to you is Vivax's scumreading of you and he winds up dead end of day 1, mind you that fell off some but it can't be ignored. (Mind you, Vivax's death could also point to FF or SL if you are town but for other reasons less likely on SL.) | ||
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It was anti-town, it's only an issue of whether his alignment was actually changed, his role was "sabotaged" to the risk of death if he disclosed anything else or played a different way, or whether he was made third party. In any case, I'd rather go after Damdred. That should be open and shut at this point. | ||
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I also had immunity to projectile attacks. At no point did I ever own a zombie army though, so I'm not sure how Koshi arrived to that. | ||
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On August 25 2016 23:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Koshi is scum for shooting disinformation, there's no two ways about. Not necessarily. It's possible but not the only option. Anti-town absolutely, but mechanically anything could have happened that could have resulted in this. My gut is saying third party, and he might need everyone to bow to him to satisfy wincon but that's complete speculation on my end. | ||
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On August 25 2016 22:37 kitaman27 wrote: [/center]HTS here is my biggest problem with your Trfel analysis. On August 18th, Trfel learns he is a dead man. His delayed death has activated and mafia apparently had no way to save him. Anything he posts in the next day, he is fully aware will be analyzed once he flips. That's the definition of WIFOM. To say that he is trying to keep his options open isn't all that relevant when he is already dead. There is no consequence for him going after whoever he chooses because it's not like he could die a second time. In fact, any kp that are directed at him would actually be beneficial for mafia. There was one point that I do think could have some worth though and that was the argument that Trfel likes to keep his scum buddies out of the spotlight. If he knows he is a dead man, then taking the attention away from his buddies would be a good strategy. I'll have to check out if there are any specific points where Trfel had an easy opportunity to push a specific player who was under heat at the time, but choose to ignore them or go elsewhere. I also made the wifom disclaimer in my post I'm pretty sure, I focused more on the how of Trfel's reads, in any case prior to the Ikea announcement he scumread Artanis, Onegu and wanted Shapelog dead, in another post I called him out for and that was about it. | ||
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On August 25 2016 10:29 Tumblewood wrote: I basically can't do anything at this point. I made four posts instead of 3 during the night which pissed off Palmar so now I'm a VT with 20 million dollars in debt. good luck town. + Show Spoiler [insider info] + I had a dream last night where Hts and disfo were scum and both scum slipped and I had access to their qt. watch out for them Tinfoil aside is there any reason you can't vote? That's the impression I'm getting. | ||
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On August 25 2016 08:57 sicklucker wrote: so if i shoot dandred we find 1 scum 100% of the time becuase if hes town stutters is mafia On August 25 2016 08:58 sicklucker wrote: vice versa. so we should probably decide on one of them How are you sure they both aren't mafia and Damdred isn't trying to buy some sort of time disposing a very afk teammate? Or are you suggesting we lynch one of them and you shoot the other? | ||
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Koshi has been acting anti-town for this cycle. There are 3 theoretical reasons why. Could he be (default or converted) mafia? Absolutely. Could he be default or converted third party? Absolutely. Defaulting to him however is a cop-out as far as I'm concerned. There were and still are at least two other if not three other mafia that are just coasting right now. It could be any in the line of Kurumi, Luna, Fecalfeast, Stutters or Kitaman as I suspect is the active mafia. Kitaman as mafia plays a clean mafia game, which is quite easy to do when there are a shittonne of scummy/inactive townies. And mafia like those are very hard to put together a good case against. I've mentioned several points about a Kita/Stutters team and ignoring anyone but Koshi is a red flag. Stutters says just now he's "been following along" but provides zero in the way of reads or suggestions. Stutters also ignored disformation's post. sicklucker - Stutter's role PM, could have been true AND HE STILL IS LIKELY MAFIA. The only thing I have had to work with with Trfel's filter to some extent and I tried already parallelign that to Kita's earlier reads. Vivax kill points to a range of Kita/Rels/FF/SL. | ||
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I agree that Koshi is anti-town, but people aren't considering the why. If someone wants to explain why Koshi was mafia BEFORE his behaviour changed drastically that's fine. But that's a different argument. I'll be back in one hour. | ||
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On August 26 2016 02:27 Stutters695 wrote: Damdred and Koshi seem like the correct play here On August 26 2016 02:33 kitaman27 wrote: damdred and koshi are the only two people worth considering here. The "only" two Kitaman? What about Rels (from your end) whom you've been all over, all game? You realise we're dealing with a 5-player mafia team? Who are the rest? And what else about that Trfel filter? Where did it lead you? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then... | ||
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My mafia team: kitaman/Trfel/Damdred/Stutters/+1 (Rels???????) That's where I am now. Koshi is probably not mafia for two reasons: he voted Damdred right after me and BEFORE his claim and second his post re: Rels just now. | ||
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If you aren't comfortable on Kitaman, that's fine but at least shoot Stutters. There are two reasons to NOT shoot Koshi. If you disagree tell us why. I think we're in a position where we need two mafia dead, and killing mafia and third party will lose us the game. | ||
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On August 26 2016 05:41 Koshi wrote: I shot disformation because he tried too hard and it was all in vain. I am not letting the guy break his head for another 48 hours. ...................................................... I am at a loss for words. | ||
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On August 26 2016 05:42 Kurumi wrote: So let me get this straight we are not lynching Koshi because we believe he's unlynchable instead we're trying to kill him through sl? Am I the only one who would rather lynch Koshi and shoot damdred? No. We are not touching Koshi. It is a cop-out. It should be obvious who the mafia are if you read the last few pages. | ||
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On August 26 2016 05:46 Kurumi wrote: so a third party koshi shoots disformation who was not up to lynch, got and item yesterday, claimed KP reason being? he knew he's going to get lynched, i guess the mafia team decided to sacrifice him damdred set up himself like a lamb for slaughter and everyone is just eating it up, it looks obvious enough for me that koshi is less of an asset to mafia team than damdred whats the reason? no idea This part makes zero sense because he had zero to negative chance of getting lynched at any point before he shot disformation. | ||
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On August 26 2016 05:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Btw HtS if you really are scum wp, in that case I apologize to prplhz for not looking closer at you the second time around. 15 mins until flip right? 1h15.....that's 1800 for us east people I think. | ||
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I don't understand the rationale because if Koshi was mafia he wouldn't draw attention to himself like that by shooting the most obvious townie in the game. If you have a meta based argument against that, I'm all ears. | ||
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On August 26 2016 05:08 Koshi wrote: Hey Rels. Why are you more and more townsiding? If you are 3p survivor it would make sense you would mafia side the more the game goes on. Like I said. Nothing in this game matters. But I like you to answer this question You also need to explain why this post here is mafia-indicative. At least from your perpsective. Or is it? | ||
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On August 26 2016 05:54 Kurumi wrote: also the post you quoted reeks of scum telling reis to scumside Okay that's not how I interpreted that, I'm more inclined to think two mafia members would communicate that in the QT but that's just me But at least your last post made sense, but remember sicklucker apparently also has kp and he's risking getting shot by sicklucker who will likely shoot him here (last I checked). Koshi is not a high-risk high-reward mafia player but hey if he breaks meta then welp. | ||
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I'd ignore Tumblewood this cycle because him being demoralised could come from either alignment. Also Stutters continues to go on about shit that is either WIFOM or not alignment indicative. But definitely do NOT shoot Koshi. | ||
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On August 26 2016 15:15 Tumblewood wrote: for the record I kinda don't like sl this game. at this point it's probably a 40% chance of randomly guessing mafia, or 70% if I discard a bunch of people to the obvious town category even though I'm just taking their word for it mostly. so sl is scum I disagree. I think I know why you're scumreading him, but he is also not very easily read in general. He doesnt read filters and like other games (PYP, Carol, etc) he overrelies on mechanics to a fault.....I see the lazy-ish town sicklucker here. | ||
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On August 26 2016 14:08 sicklucker wrote: This entire list actually flipped town. except for lunatic and meapka. amazing kita. im not sure if I should shoot you or give you a worst of all time award MZ was green hacked by Kurumi, and I trust both are town. Luna isn't going to be readable my most this game, but I had a more concrete reason to town read him earlier. I was pointing this out earlier in my comparison.....note how he leaves Rels and Stutters off this list too. Associative reads I know but I can read them scum independently so. | ||
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On August 26 2016 14:51 Lunaticman wrote: Onegu as Kim Jong-Un Tumblewood prplhz Artanis[Xp] Rels Skynx Lunaticman Kurumi kitaman27 Holyflare as Mark Zuckerberg Superbia as Yuri Gagarin Stutters695 Damdred Trfel Dandel Ion Shapelog Fecalfeast Disformation Koshi GlowingBear iamperfection sicklucker Meapak_Ziphh Vivax as Spock Chezinu Half the Sky I'm just going to put down my chips like this: Kita Rels Iamperfection The others doesn't really matter until we get another red flip. Koshi = God Also: No one mentioned in Trfels list is mafia. He probably didn't mention a single mafia. + Show Spoiler + New List of Suspicious People Tumblewood Artanis Skynx Shapelog GlowingBear iamperfection sicklucker Chezinu Probably all town but I don't think so, I can't imagine he would have an all town list. That leaves Tumble and Iamperfection. Which are both scummy but I'd just put my chips down with iap on that one. We can also just assume that he didn't spend a single thought on mafia. Especially when he knew he was dead. Stutters only roleclaimed when he couldn't do anything else with his role. Saving it for town cred super scummy move. But I think Damdred and Stutters are wrong kills atm. Damdred is following the typical go afk don't care anymore which EVERY TOWN has done earlier in the game. I just feel there are two way better kills in kita and iamperfection. I see why you're saying this but people do tap out as both alignments. Also did you miss Damdred's role claim? It made zero sense. We get two quick votes and he tries to shoot Kurumi instantly, who I think is town, and then he claims a parity check. I do agree with the Kita and Rels scumreads. | ||
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Trfel also had a larger second list post, although after the IKEA announcement. This tells me he is not the same alignment as them. Check Kita's filter as well. I think you're town but I think you're wrong on a few things. | ||
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On August 26 2016 13:55 sicklucker wrote: I think Meapak_Ziphh is mafia. hes the only one still trying which mafia should fucknig be doing in this spot unless they truly have autowin. ALso his filter is really bad and all he did in his entire filter is attack me and dead towns. No one who I think is mafia (like more then half the game left alive) was ever attacked by him anywhere in his filter. He also had this really negative attitude while not doing anything that I have seen scum do alot including myself. So ya in alot of worlds hes mafia I think MZ was green checked unless you don't trust Kurumi. The green check came through DI's passive after he died. Explain how his filter is bad ? He appeared to be on the lower volume end but I could get town tells from him. Him attacking dead towns (for bad play) can come from either alignment. How is that mafia-indicative? The negative attitude especially after all those town flips is also more likely to be town, or rather I didn't think it was forced. | ||
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On August 26 2016 19:14 Rels wrote: I'm pretty angry at the scumreads I'm receiving. HTS. I'm not scum. You should know I'm not scum. I rolled you as scum in SOTW when I took control of the town and directed every actions. You hosted PYP where I was the most active guy as scum on the thread and I tried to direct every actions, which I didn't succeed. My play here is not how I play scum. Stop trying to waste a KP in my direction. Lunatic. I'm not scum. You should know I'm not scum. We played in a game where I was scum and I lead this game from N2 to the end. I decided each day who was going to be lynched. This is clearly not how I'm playing now. Stop trying to waste a KP in my direction. Did you answer Koshi's question? Because I thought it was a pretty damn good one. | ||
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On August 26 2016 05:08 Koshi wrote: Hey Rels. Why are you more and more townsiding? If you are 3p survivor it would make sense you would mafia side the more the game goes on. Like I said. Nothing in this game matters. But I like you to answer this question | ||
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On August 26 2016 19:24 sicklucker wrote: well if were not voting I wont announce my shot for obvious reasons There are 5 votes on Damdred last I checked. Rels I have a meeting in 5. | ||
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On August 26 2016 20:46 Koshi wrote: My theory is that mafia gave up Damdred and are trying to close out the game by saving their kp roles. There is no way damdred is so fucking stupid he claims a parity cop check as mafia on accident and then bails out 1 second after he did his claim. Rels mafia? Very likely, he started pushing mafia agenda the closer mafia came to winning this game. But even if he isn't. Mafia needs to equal or have more members than town, true neutral 3p is always counted with mafia, so... killing 3p is actually a good idea. iamp, rels should both die and not Damdred. Damdred is a puppet. I disagree on the IAMP kill, I see why you want to do this, but I'd only kill him if you can fathom him having kp. Kitaman and Stutters are both very likely mafia. It should be very obvious at this point the direction in which they are both pushing that they are at the very least the same alignment. I also have another post that indicates Rels being a likely mafia power role (or had it at once) and I'll explain why. | ||
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Okay, found it. There are several mafia-motivated reasons for Rels to claim this. He is or has likely been a framer or have had self-framing abilities. Town already had a role (Chezinu) that was able to protect himself twice. It's likely mafia had a similar role to counteract that and/or any third party having this ability would also make no sense or be disadvantageous for mafia if the third party survivor would town side and play akin to a veteran trying to draw kp. Mafia Rels claiming this protects himself against detective or DT-like roles checking for lurkers. It also covers himself in the event a tracker tracked him to (framing) himself. You can also consider that if Rels truly wanted to town side and had this ability, he'd have clearly gone town and tried to absorb mafia KP, that clearly didn't happen. | ||
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I think IAMP is third party but are you sure he has kp? I would rather take out mafia as they are more likely to have kp, that'd be our only chance. | ||
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On August 26 2016 20:46 Koshi wrote: My theory is that mafia gave up Damdred and are trying to close out the game by saving their kp roles. There is no way damdred is so fucking stupid he claims a parity cop check as mafia on accident and then bails out 1 second after he did his claim. Rels mafia? Very likely, he started pushing mafia agenda the closer mafia came to winning this game. But even if he isn't. Mafia needs to equal or have more members than town, true neutral 3p is always counted with mafia, so... killing 3p is actually a good idea. iamp, rels should both die and not Damdred. Damdred is a puppet. Wait, are they? I thought third party neutrals could be counted either way. They can and should mafia side in lylo but can go either direction. | ||
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On August 26 2016 21:13 Koshi wrote: We need to take out mafia with kp. That is sure. iamp is probably not mafia with kp. Otherwise he has both survive a lynch + deliver kp and that is ridiculous. Kitaman didn't do anything obviously anti town yet. I actually thought there was a chance you were mafia during the toy thing because you wanted to kill way more people but when kita said 3 names you agreed instantly and those all flipped town. If he is mafia, does he has kp ... I don't know. He for sure had the extra thing with the elections? Did that happen? Did he do anything else? I don't know. Stutters. I don't know. He claims he had to die during the game? Sounds a very weak excuse why he didn't play after he also didn't die. Could be mafia with kp. Nobody really ever pushed him. Kitaman as mafia plays a very clean game, I realise that's not a slam dunk argument, but the fact we had a lot of afk/scummy townies flip should make you think. But I'll start with stutters first. If you look at Trfel's reads and posts, you will notice that he leaves Stutters (and Rels for that matter) off at all points of his game. Trfel typically ignores his scum teammates. Stutters calls for lynching Damdred, you, and Lunaticman. He gives zero reason for the third.....as opposed to hardly anyone else he's read this game. It came out of nowhere. Also when disformation posted his massive wall, he responds to Kitaman's wifomy post but completely ignores disformations' wall of reads. | ||
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Also pay attention to how Kitaman jabs at Rels for not being active and even calls me out early game for taking Rel's third party claim at face value. He even is all over Rels for being bloody thirsty last cycle with the pushes. On August 17 2016 11:13 kitaman27 wrote: Haven't bothered with filter dives yet, but aside from maybe 1 afk straggler, the mafias are in here. Onegu prplhz Artanis[Xp] Lunaticman Dandel Ion Shapelog GlowingBear iamperfection sicklucker Meapak_Ziphh Chezinu I'll see if I can narrow this down a bit more and come up with a top 3 or something. You have a bunch of afks in here/lurky players.....but not Rels. With so many lurky players, he could afford to do this. (And Trfel did the same thing.) | ||
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This is why in my deadline post (or wherever I did), I concluded IAMP was not same alignment and thus I believe his third party claim. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On August 16 2016 23:02 Vivax wrote: I didn't like that Vivax went out of his way to disagree with my voting plan when there really isn't a downside to the extra information, even if it doesn't pan out in the end. He never explained why it was too complex when asked. Your plan is pointless, everyone can lie about their nationality, we will never discover the motivations for why someone would lie until we see flips from either them or the presidents. Also, kita please. Here's the post that's replying directly to you. On August 16 2016 23:11 Vivax wrote: List post time: 3p: TW Scummy: 1gu, GB, disfo, (kita) Likely town: Iampurrfection, superbia. Lock town: Koshi, HTS Rest still on the fence. On August 17 2016 06:56 Vivax wrote: List of lurkers to not forget about them, how useless this might seem, at least I have my official notepad: Chezinu FecalFeast (especially weird cause his post seemed to contain knowledge of multiple nukes) Trfel stutters Rels Lunaticman Rels and lun did more than the rest but still feel like under the radar. Scumread on Kita On August 17 2016 07:48 Vivax wrote: Kita is scummy for post timing btw. He just seems very detached from the rest that's going on and then pops in right after the election to only comment on the election and giving generic advice that the leaders have to be transparent. On August 17 2016 11:15 Vivax wrote: [/spoiler]Honestly if you're actually town and legit and want to be effective and credible your list should look like this for now. On August 18 2016 03:06 Vivax wrote: I can't give you a better ranking, but if I exclude people I'd kill for policy: Iamp, GB, you are my tops. Recently Grack, then 1gu, FF, SL look the worst to me. Artanis made it off my suspects even tho he seems to be a jerk for baiting people into becoming paraplegics. Maybe 3p I dnu Now this was his final, but he was looking at everything. But was on Kita for what wasn't afk reasons though. Just another piece of the puzzle. He also - unlike my scum candidates - actually look at Rels/Stutters/Trfel, the spectrum. | ||
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On August 26 2016 21:38 Koshi wrote: and therefore Damdred was sacrificiced because he has no kp. Would be a decent play if Stutters has kp and Damdred fake claims to get Stutters and Kita the towncred for the Damdred mafia flip. My team is Kitaman/Stutters/Damdred/Trfel/Rels And that's what makes the most sense to me. | ||
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I can understand if town as a whole is more comfortable with Rels. But Kitaman is protecting Rels by prioritising you. It is something to think about there. | ||
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On August 26 2016 05:55 kitaman27 wrote: Yes, only two options for today's lynch. Frankly only one (damdred), but koshi would be next in line. Why would I want to lynch Rels today when I already explained why damdred's claim sounds like a bunch of BS? For the record, I still think Rels looks kinda bad, but not to the point where he passes the guy with a nonsense parity check or the guy the shoots our strongest townie and then trolls. Well no. I don't know what size mafia team we are dealing with, do you? I get what you are saying though. I don't have anyone I'm completely confident besides koshi/damdred right now. After today's lynch, I'll look towards who should be the next step. Haven't looked yet. Still at work. Now you're just trying to aggravate me. -_- For clarification above Koshi. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On August 20 2016 01:59 Rels wrote: You "didn't think of that". What a weird way to phrase it. And what a weird thing to assume, when according to disfo, two flipped townies really didn't like you (HF + Vivax). So why would you assume scum shot you ? (he votes IAMP in between) On August 20 2016 19:44 Rels wrote: Arta made some good posts though. GB and iamp are more likely to flip scum probably. Not that I care a lot but it's fun to solve the game. On August 21 2016 04:08 Rels wrote: Skynx is super likely scum Gonna vote GB for the second one. Iamp is a good choice too I feel There's your answer. IAMP and Rels are not the same alignment. | ||
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On August 26 2016 22:30 kitaman27 wrote: The person giving out bananas seems so incredibly obvious to be mafia considering they haven't come forward and chose to target myself, dandel, and grack. If they were town, they wouldn't have anything to hide. Furthermore, a town player doesn't "go down with the ship". It is also incredibly obvious that I am not scum buddies with the banana vig because he is talking about me as if I'm not there. Now take a look at HTS's relation to the banana shot. Look at how she justifies the banana shot. She shot grack because she didn't want to shoot townie kita or dandel. However, in her scum list from the previous day, SHE LISTED TWELVE DIFFERENT PLAYERS that should be shot ahead of grack. Then when she returns to the thread, SHE NEVER EVEN COMMENTS ON THE QUICKTOPICS FROM GB. A player with 16 pages of filter, is completely uninterested in the most powerful ability that town has received this game. She does know the of the quicktopic's existence though. She knows that I was given a banana and she was either tricked into possibly shooting me or she was lying about how her shot works in the first place. Yet now she does a complete 180 on me from the previous day saying that I'm her #1 scum suspect, while HARD DEFENDING THE GUY WHO JUST SHOT DISFO. I'll take a shot at the post game cred thing and say HTS is mafia. Said it before and I'll say it again. At no time was I in any of those quicktopics. I was only shooting people with only claimed bananas in thread. You claimed in thread, Dandel claimed in thread, Grack claimed in thread. Had Grack not claimed, I'd have held my shot. I am hard defending the guy who shot disformation because: (1) I presented alternative theories as to why he might not be mafia and (2) Koshi has done additional investigation on Rels that comes from a town standpoint. At no point did I disagree that Koshi was anti-town. He was. Additionally, Koshi aside, you are ignoring that zero scumhunting took or had been taking place today, and last cycle in the furnace round, zero scumhunting took place, town lost a full day. I was very blunt about it. Taking Koshi out and refusing to find the other mafia is a copout. That is why I raised the point about having a five player (most likely) mafia team. I showed zero interest in the QTs because I wasn't in any part of them, otherwise I'd have spoken up. Me being uninterested in the quicktopics doesn't make me mafia. There were several others that ignored. And I focused mostly if not entirely on filters for my method of scumhunting. I went traditional this game. If you want to argue some part of what I've done there was mafia indicative, go for it. You spinning that to make it look that way makes you look quite mafia. Not that that changes my read on you but still. | ||
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On August 26 2016 22:44 sicklucker wrote: Can someone fully explain hts role. I WANT TO KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THESE BANANAS. it sounded so stupid the first time I read it that I ignored it. but I think it solves this game Also this is just my opinion but I think there's much stronger evidence than the QTs. That should be obvious considering town as a whole blundered on the Skynx mislynch. Just saying there. | ||
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On August 26 2016 22:46 sicklucker wrote: so qt 2 4 and 5 are confirmed not mafia. This means 10000% one of tumbleweed or the banana giving role was spewed mafia hell maybe even both if people dont claim those qts. like this is important why wont anyone helpppp me.... oh ya because half of you are mafia right I asked you before why Tumble was mafia, and I don't think you responded. What makes him mafia? | ||
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On August 26 2016 22:32 kitaman27 wrote: That being said, I can't explain the medic save on her that was claimed by dandel. Since we're all vanilla townies at this point, if a town medic protected her, they should come forward. Otherwise, it opens the possibility of a mafia medic. There wasn't any flips that could have been the medic so the medic must still be alive. I was shot and no one claimed a shot on me. Even Skynx claimed a shot on Holyflare (and died for it). | ||
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On August 26 2016 22:49 sicklucker wrote: Honestly the best play with my current data is to lynch and shoot hts/kita. Its are best chance of killing mafia kp and getting another day. one is always mafia I think If kp is used on me, town loses but why both of us over Rels when you see the resistance that Kita is putting up for Rels? I'll look at the QTs one more time, I did not see the connection at all with Tumblewood. | ||
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On August 26 2016 22:52 sicklucker wrote: but how do we know you were shot..? like can you help me here. I like helpful people I have a gun Let me find the quote. I will get it. Dandel claimed both a shot and save. | ||
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On August 26 2016 22:51 sicklucker wrote: WOW THIS WAS FROM THE SECOND DAY QTS. mafia already knew town had acces to qts at this point. They didnt know that on day 1 All I'm trying to say here is to not put too much weight on the QTs. | ||
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On August 19 2016 23:36 Dandel Ion wrote: Ok so I used a power that I thought would be a watcher + tell me what the people targetting actually did That sound too good to be true, it's because it is it was nowhere this good i used it on Hats because i figured either as town shed be shot or as mafia shenanigans would happen around her so i could have caught another scum and her potentially well turns out she got shot* by player 14770601 she also got medic saved* by player 91757281 *This just means the power included that, does not guarantee that there weren't any side or additional effects I included the designation for the medic too cuz you know, how the fuck anyone is ever going to figure that out, idk. seem like random numbers to me. so yeah disappointing compared to my expectations, even worse it was oneshot. but hey kita seems kinda town for going in on Hats start of this day, sicklucker seems scum for buddying up to her like a scummy scum that decided to shoot her just before im sure people willing to do more work could find more like that yes im assuming this was scum kp. i dont actually know i said i'd wait on this but im actually leaving again so w/e lel have some Information. | ||
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On August 26 2016 22:56 sicklucker wrote: like I was totally agreeing with you 20 minutes ago that kita is mafia. but your actions here are just not making anysense. I know you know who has the bananas since its related to you somehow I looked for people who claimed bananas in thread. Cycle after that I received one. In my PM it did not say who gave me the banana. I don't know who has the bananas or quite frankly why it was even alignment indicative. | ||
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On August 26 2016 22:54 kitaman27 wrote: If the person in QT 3 isn't HTS, I'll eat my hat. She's lying. If people were easily able to frame or impersonate or whatever, it's not hard to do the same for one word. That doesn't make me mafia. Try again. | ||
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On August 26 2016 23:02 kitaman27 wrote: I bet this is what went down. HTS was busy at work and had no clue that her post about banans from the mafia qt was reveled by glowingbear. She claimed the shot on Grack and then realized that she accidently outed herself so she pretended to not know anything about where they came from. Then I make my huge argument about how the banana vig is mafia, she brushes it under the rug and then never brings it up again. Where did you make that argument? I remember you suggested I was giving the bananas and then you clarified I was the banana shooter and then backed off. On August 19 2016 11:02 kitaman27 wrote: And while we're on this topic....you're a vig that just happens to be able to shoot players that post pictures of bananas. And three people just happened to post pictures of bananas by complete coincidence without you making any attempt to bait that out? Talk about a long shot... On August 19 2016 11:04 kitaman27 wrote: Oh are you maybe the banana shooter, but not the banana giver? That would make the puzzle start to come together.... Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. There was no need to "sweep it under the rug." You did that yourself. Keep it up with the spin. | ||
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"Welp Tumble lost..." QT 1 Okay I see that. The connection I'm missing is why people are absolutely concluding that the banana giver has to be associated with one alignment or another. I'm also not convinced 5 town qts aren't impossible. If they were all confirmed from the get go, everyone could just mass claim. There are 28-29 people in the game. I don't see 5 unconfirmed qts where all are town are impossible. | ||
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You can't ignore the possibility as to the fact also that in these types of games (Carol is one example I can think of) where QTs are not necessarily created at the beginning, by default those qts are unconfirmed I think. So Palmar could have started with 3 QTs and depending on when additional QTs were created or if players had those types of powers, you can still get 5 QTs with all town. That's partially why I'm disregarding that. | ||
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Here's another theory that no one has brought up yet. Did anyone's PMs say from WHOM the bananas were given from? Because now that I think about it....I think I know who might be giving the bananas. | ||
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On August 26 2016 23:20 kitaman27 wrote: Furthermore, we know the banana giver is still alive. Why would a town banana giver not claim to put a stop to this mess? I'm just going to come out and say it, even at the risk of a modkill. Palmar might be giving out the bananas either upon a trigger, or at random. How do I know this? Remember last cycle when I corrected Palmar on the votecount? I got a banana. And during that cycle, everyone's stuff was disabled. I realise that doesn't explain the "going down with the ship" comment but I don't see how you can eliminate that possibility it could have come from a townie who was about to get lynched/vigged/nuked/whatever. You all can choose not to believe the bolded and that's fine. And Kita, you are misdirecting using these QTs from some of the other mafia, I know what you're up to here. I really have nothing to hide. | ||
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On August 26 2016 23:24 Koshi wrote: Is this true? HTS is Arthas from WCIII. I know she made them civilized. Koshi said what he watched was an interpretation and he disclaimed he could be wrong. He was right that I shot Grack, but he was wrong on the zombie army. I know I've said at least once I've had nothing to do with the zombies. And Koshi, no I'm a British actor, my main active ability besides the kp was to use my comedian skills to convert extremists to moderates. So I'm not sure where you're getting that part from. It doesn't make you mafia. | ||
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On August 26 2016 23:26 kitaman27 wrote: BAHAHA PALMAR IS GIVING OUT THE BANANAS? That's why Palmar is talking in the QT about handing them out? That's why Palmar is saying how he is going to go down with the ship and get lynched? Cmon now Well he gave one to me during the cycle that no one could do anything, the furnace cycle. People in the thread have claimed they got bananas but not from whom. I didn't say Palmar was in QT. | ||
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On August 26 2016 23:28 Koshi wrote: Oh then you made Arthas a moderate skeleton leader or something. Did you use your ability on somebody? The only person I used my ability on was Luna day 2. I really had no idea who was a extremist. | ||
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Palmar gave me a banana furnace cycle for god knows what reason. On August 18 2016 02:56 kitaman27 wrote: wut? I'm trying to figure out who gave me the thing. The only time I mentioned you was because you called me kitaman, which is really the only info we have to go by Not surprised it's happening again, but whatever. | ||
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On August 26 2016 23:31 kitaman27 wrote: Lets just vote HTS and get this over with. Nope, you completely trying to protect Rels too...zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Killing me is your best chance of winning today. | ||
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On August 26 2016 23:33 Koshi wrote: Lunatic is Arthas from WCIII. I am not 100% on that. And he has kp. Luna's last reads were Kita/Rels/Iamp. | ||
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On August 26 2016 23:35 sicklucker wrote: ya also the 6 players hts suggest to be shot are all town including myself. even trefl was listed above us lul. she said vig my bottom 6 and had trefel at 7. LULZ ????????????????? On August 17 2016 23:42 Half the Sky wrote: This is where I am: Not entirely sure/will need to be sussed out a bit more: GlowingBear (some townie thought towards the end, though I am deliberately ignoring mechs here, some similar reads to mine) Dandel Ion (meh) Lunaticman (need to really see actual reads and not just surviving on mech discussion) Grackaroni (originally was good but not remembering too many impactful posts from him more recently, falling under the radar?) MZ (some of his reads I liked but more content would make me more confident on him) The "dear vig, please take out the trash" pile: Rels (pending catching up) Stutters695 Kurumi Shapelog Fecalfeast Possible scum Trfel (it's somewhere in my filter) sicklucker (where are the reads) Chezinu (all he does is go on about his position, someone please shoot him, clearly he's not helping town even compared to Star Wars where you got some semblance he was trying to) Scum reads prplhz Onegu (I make no distinction between anti-town third parties and scum) IAP I would say that vigis should target the bottom six players. Where are you getting 7? | ||
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On August 26 2016 23:37 sicklucker wrote: ok fuck she does say shoot trefel damn. well he was obv being bussed just found that funny not posting that for acual reads I called Trfel out before the Ikea announcement. Take that as you will. Also Kitaman pointed out to lynch Trfel right before he would have died to Fox News. | ||
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On August 26 2016 23:39 sicklucker wrote: it could also be argued you are trying to protect koshi... So I really feel like we should just lynch one from each side and get a free kill with the other... Why do you guys think the games going to end today if we dont kill two mafia? Theres no evidence of this. Mafia has shown very little kp in this game at most they should have 1. I have the impression there are 2kp given that I was shot day 1, Vivax was shot day 1, I imagine they could have at least one now in addition to the lynch and it would be consequential/endgame likely if we mislynch. And we don't know what Koshi has. Also I've presented three different mechanical theories for why Koshi isn't necessarily mafia. There were at least two other mafia before Koshi went insane. If you want to disagree with that that's fine. You aren't looking into what Koshi is doing now either. I honestly think Koshi's role was either sabotaged or whatever as a distraction, and my scumreads were eager to pile on him without looking for others. | ||
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On August 17 2016 21:08 Half the Sky wrote: Trfel is someone that I know spins behaviour to be mafia when he is exclusively mafia. (1) Artanis had not been hiding the DGAF attitude so he didn't care that he was getting scumread for it, which is actually a towny trait (2) The so called bounty hunter role (or the action of controlling someone's body) is a mechanic that (knowing Palmar) could be assigned to either alignment (3) Onegu will "not care" what others think as town or scum (the latter example: see Outlaw). So I really don't like that post either. This post I made well before the IKEA announcement. On August 18 2016 07:59 ritoky wrote: Fox News! A fair and balanced look at American society ![[image loading]](https://lh6.ggpht.com/bmdvWGTQ5xyA07ZRU_gf_RW8MQX8Oo1u8opdwg-FDmWn5OFEaq7Nt1KkwbVnX4TLV_g=w300) Breaking News: Unpatriotic Man Being Chased Through Ikea Here is live footage from our associate's GoPro: ![[image loading]](http://i59.tinypic.com/2cnwbjq.gif) More information as the situation develops! Trfel continued making scummy posts. I didn't have perfect information. That was the basis for my read. You on the other hand On August 17 2016 11:13 kitaman27 wrote: Haven't bothered with filter dives yet, but aside from maybe 1 afk straggler, the mafias are in here. Onegu prplhz Artanis[Xp] Lunaticman Dandel Ion Shapelog GlowingBear iamperfection sicklucker Meapak_Ziphh Chezinu I'll see if I can narrow this down a bit more and come up with a top 3 or something. LEFT TRFEL OFF YOUR LIST. This amongst other things suggests you are much more strongly connected to Trfel than me. On August 17 2016 23:53 kitaman27 wrote: I would move GB and Luna down to one of the lower tiers and suggest the vig's focus on the scum reads, while using investigative roles on the trash pile, but this is a solid list overall. THAT post above is BEFORE Ikea announcement, and you want vigs to focus on the scumreads. Trfel is just above that category. Then soon after IKEA announcement On August 19 2016 06:39 kitaman27 wrote: Here is where I'm at right now. Really Town Half the Sky Koshi Disformation Tumblewood kitaman27 Mostly Townie Skynx Damdred Dandel Ion Fecalfeast No Clue Kurumi Stutters695 Trfel Rels sicklucker Shapelog Kinda scummy, but less so than group below Artanis[Xp] Lunaticman Meapak_Ziphh Probably Mafia GlowingBear iamperfection prplhz Chezinu THEN OUT OF NOWHERE On August 20 2016 08:20 kitaman27 wrote: Sweet :D I'd say GlowingBear, Trfel, iamperfection, and chezinu are the priorities. We have a couple vig shots too right? I wonder if we can take out all of them. It's just like magic folks. | ||
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On August 27 2016 00:12 sicklucker wrote: IF what kita says is true tho that does make hts the mafia. because why would a mafia give his team mate a useless banana. why would anyone give anyone a useless banana. its all very confusing... fucking palmar I'm back but only briefly. Here's the bigger question, why is Kita overemphasising the mechanics. The mechs can be WIFOMed by both alignments. I know you aren't reading filters but that is what mafia Kita is depending on. | ||
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On August 27 2016 00:13 kitaman27 wrote: The three people that posted banana pictures were given bananas. HTS claimed that she could only shoot banana holders, which led to grack's death. She admitted that we could have passed the banana to any player in the game and use it to kill her #1 scum read, but for whatever reason she decided to shoot grack instead who was #8. I took Holyflare's picture (I know he posted) as a troll picture and I had no idea if those people were claiming with those pictures or posting for fun or trolling. And passing the banana to another player would have taken another cycle. You can only do that during the day and that was one thing I considered. I made it very clear I'd have held the shot otherwise. I was shot day 1 but that's besides the point. Again, you are spinning things to make it look like I'm mafia. To get me lynched, you also need to argue why the player who shot me hasn't come out yet. If you are arguing in favour of a mafia medic. Town vig shouldn't be afraid to claim the shot on me. | ||
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On August 27 2016 00:20 sicklucker wrote: well you should try it because from a neutral perspective regardless of his alignment he is owning you and making you look bad That would be because you are looking at the mechanics and not gameplay. You are looking that we both had bad reads all game. What you are ignoring....is the WHY. | ||
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On August 27 2016 00:22 kitaman27 wrote: Are you the banana QT luna? At what point did you gain access to your QT? The exact start of day 2? Which QT were you from the ones disfo posted? Nope, we weren't the banana QT but I'll let Luna speak up as to how we got in a mason QT. | ||
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Luna, you masoned me end of day 2 for day 3. He typoed here and I know this because I used kp day 1 and conversion day 2 for Luna's zombies. Day 3 QT made me lose my powers including the ability to convert. And this is verifiable through Koshi. | ||
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On August 27 2016 00:24 sicklucker wrote: hts how do you honestly think it was ok to leave out that you were in a mason qt... like how can you omg... scum The mason QT was in Luna's ability not mine. I typed out just now how it works. I left it out because it was a day 3 QT and it was irrelevant to the discussion Luna could choose a player of his liking and mason with them. It will also explain the (unexplained) townreads I've had on him too. | ||
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On August 27 2016 00:27 sicklucker wrote: hts claims she has been in a private qt. I have been talking about private qts for the last 5 hours but only brings it up when lunaticman mentions it. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Gy67iLH.gif) There is a reason I did this. (Hint: Koshi mentions Luna as possible mafia.) My QT was not relevant to what GB brought up because it only existed Day 3. (Luna typoed but we can also work around that.) | ||
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On August 27 2016 00:28 Lunaticman wrote: But the crux is I have no idea if HtS really is town, I just masoned her and removed all her abilities but none of her items. However She never told me she targeted me with her ability in the QT... AAAA this is so confusing. You're right I actually did forget to do this. That was my fault. My power as I told you was to convert extremists to moderates, that would get me 500 points. I had no idea who to target, so I just picked people at random. | ||
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On August 27 2016 00:28 sicklucker wrote: if hts has the bananas shes 100% mafia... how do you know this? she said 2 hours ago she does not have the bananas I had the banna I was given day 2, and I assumed I had it through day 3 since I was given a banna by day 3. And yeah every kill we agree on will be town when town are on the wrong track with the number of afk/scumy townies there have been. My concern is that people are ignoring filters and read development/origination and just trying to spin the mechanics which is very dangerous. | ||
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On August 27 2016 00:32 kitaman27 wrote: Lies, lies, and more lies. Nope. I know I said that purposely and I did that for a reason. | ||
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That gives me more information on who was aligned with whom. Nice try Kita with the cherry picking. | ||
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On August 27 2016 00:32 kitaman27 wrote: Even if you can't, does it confirm HTS as town like she is saying or is she making that part up? The QT is unconfirmed by default because Luna picked me. My townreads on him were my reads based on our discussion in the QT, which none of you can see. Also in addition to what I started off on him. I also made some deductions based on the conditions of the QT that we had to be same alignment which I should be able to state. | ||
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On August 27 2016 00:37 kitaman27 wrote: Luna, could you explain this? Why is she saying that the QT would confirm her as town, but you're saying that you don't know. The QT would "clear" me against the absurd point you're bringing up about the bananas. The condition of the QT is that I have to ensure that Lunaticman survives until end game. I used that opportunity to get the best read on him regardless. My deduction is that if Luna was mafia, then helping him with this objective would be against my wincon. It is a points based objective. | ||
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On August 27 2016 00:39 sicklucker wrote: why did you lie about not being the person who had the bananas? Like when I asked that person to claim because it makes tumbleweed 100% mafia. BECUASE IT MAKES TUMBLEWEED 100% MAFIA. ok im done with you your mafia. are you claiming qt#3 is not you? You are confusing bananas (given to) with banana bunch (giver). I didn't lie. You are getting the two confused. I got one banana day 2 which I claimed. Day 3 from Palmar. I did not start out with any bananas. | ||
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On August 27 2016 00:43 kitaman27 wrote: ALL POINTS BASED OBJECTIVES ARE SECONDARY WIN CONDITIONS. THEY HAVE NOTHING TO WITH YOU BEING YOUR PRIMARY OBJECTIVE. LOOK AT HOW HTS IS TRYING TO WEASEL INTO A CONFIRMED TOWN READ BY TWISTING THE FACTS Nope, try harder Kita. I made my own thoughts rightly or wrong. If he did something that was off I could have just abandoned the QT. I even said that Luna picking me by default doesn't make me confirmed it is by default an unconfirmed QT. You are the one spinning my words. I am simply just repeating what I said in the QT. | ||
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On August 27 2016 00:46 sicklucker wrote: well luna just said you gave him a banana and can give bananas? we need that qt or a more active luna He said I HAVE bananas that I received from others/Palmar. I could give the banana just like people could pass their bananas thye got from wherever but I don't have the banana bunch or am the banna giver. If the QT is allowed to be posted, I'm all for it. | ||
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So I made the assumption that I could use bananas (as projectiles) to kill people. If that's what he means by that. | ||
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On August 27 2016 00:50 sicklucker wrote: so then shouldnt you have a strong opinion of what qt from day 1 was mafia? theres only two choices and one is about bananas. do you think mafia or town gave you bananas? because that kind of finds you a mafia You don't know that either way. It is WIFOM. You don't know if town could give it to a town to shoot you don't know if mafia could give it to shoot. You don't know either way. I said before I deliberately ignore mechanics it themed games. It is too much and it is also why town lost Aperture 4. No one did scumhunting (well enough) that game. I leartn my lesson there. | ||
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I have nothing to be afraid of. sicklucker, the reason I'm hammering the same three people are because that is how convinced I am based on my reads. I believe in what I'm saying. Not because I'm desperate. The more filter diving I am doing, the more convinced I'm right, and the way Kitaman keeps hammering mechanics for reasons that don't make me mafia make me more convinced he is. Kitaman also forcing the lynch between two of us ensures Damdred gets out scot free if he is able to convince you guys to lynch me based off mechanics (and quite frankly with people not playing let alone reading filters, it's a great play for him.) I did the filter analysis, I made the connections. If someone wants to read me mafia for my filter analysis, I want to hear that. | ||
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The problem is how Kita was spinning it......and disregarding everything else especially this cycle. You have to take everything into account. | ||
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On August 27 2016 05:05 kitaman27 wrote: But first....HTS who has been calling me her number 1 priority all day hasn't even voted me. lol And no but it doesn't mean I won't. As far as I'm concerned the lynch is between you and Rels. And town need to consolidate between you and Rels. Also earlier I said I had to leave when I had to leave. Keep spinning. | ||
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On August 27 2016 04:55 kitaman27 wrote: Ehh it's possible I guess, but it seems really, really unlikely to me. Like she called me "kitaman" 32 different times in the thread this game. The banana giver called me "kitaman". That's totally her. It's not. And I said first thing I had nothing to do with any of the QTs. I deliberately ignored it and even on the first read, I got nothing from those discussions. Find something better. | ||
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On August 27 2016 05:13 kitaman27 wrote: Oh rels now? Afraid to take the 1:1 trade with me? lol "Now" I've also been pushing him for his role issues and listed all three of you (w/Stutters) on a mafia list. Please. I'm just trying to find the entire team and you are also taking attention from Rels' scummy play by solely focusing on mechanics that you are twisting to fuel your argument. Please Kitaman. And we're likely in the equivalent of lylo so framing me with the 1/1 trades don't apply. Mafia motivation to get rid of me is you get rid of your biggest threat without having to waste a shot or if you don't have the extra kp (who knows at this point). Additionally you take the focus off Rels who's scum, and Damdred who effectively claimed scum, although Koshi (and I agreed) you are disposing of him quick in favour/to preserve someone else who has kp. Try again. | ||
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On August 27 2016 05:20 sicklucker wrote: maybe next time read them and dont ignore the only town trying hts. I asked who had the bananas for like 4 days and no one answered untill kita When did you ask? I claimed what I had day 2 or day 3 whenever I got the first one. I have to go back to my filter but I also remember Kita laughing when I claimed too. You also made a comment about who held the door as well - I held the door literally after Artanis typed it but take it as you will. | ||
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On August 27 2016 05:20 sicklucker wrote: maybe next time read them and dont ignore the only town trying hts. I asked who had the bananas for like 4 days and no one answered untill kita I am trying, but the issue we are scumhunting in entirely different ways. And you've said many times you aren't reading filters. | ||
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On August 27 2016 05:22 sicklucker wrote: like a few times... today was not the first time i brought up the qt stuff but everyone ignored me untill the guy you think is mafia Because he used the QT stuff to try and push my lynch. And he's distorting facts and disrupting town agenda in doing so. How can I ignore it then? | ||
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I think I know what is happening here, but I want to see if anyone else can figure it out. | ||
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On August 27 2016 05:25 Rels wrote: I agree with SL. This QT makes HTS 100% town. I don't really follow kita's other argument but unless it literally prove HTS is scum I don't think it can convince me. So what does Kita's push say about his alignment and why? | ||
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On August 27 2016 04:34 kitaman27 wrote: Furthermore, we KNOW Hts has that power. She shot grack.......over the 8 other people she was calling mafia. And I explained why......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Claimed the shot first thing and explained why I limited myself to the people who had bananas and picked the scummiest in that group. And if Grack had been any more town, I'd have held the shot. Really simple and you are turning that into something convoluted. Going to go back to my post as to why the Kitaman/Trfel association ties them together. | ||
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Scum are going for preserving Kita/Rels/Stutters. I don't know which one of them has the extra kp but we have to lynch one of them instead of Damdred, so I'll switch to Kitaman. | ||
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(edited spoilers for better readability) Let's start with my original read on Trfel + Show Spoiler [My original read on Trfel] + On August 17 2016 21:08 Half the Sky wrote: Trfel is someone that I know spins behaviour to be mafia when he is exclusively mafia. (1) Artanis had not been hiding the DGAF attitude so he didn't care that he was getting scumread for it, which is actually a towny trait (2) The so called bounty hunter role (or the action of controlling someone's body) is a mechanic that (knowing Palmar) could be assigned to either alignment (3) Onegu will "not care" what others think as town or scum (the latter example: see Outlaw). So I really don't like that post either. This post I made well before the IKEA announcement. + Show Spoiler [Ikea Announcement follows] + On August 18 2016 07:59 ritoky wrote: Fox News! A fair and balanced look at American society Breaking News: Unpatriotic Man Being Chased Through Ikea Here is live footage from our associate's GoPro: More information as the situation develops! Originally, I stated that Trfel continued making scummy posts, and in the case of TW/SL he kept scumreading them for things that didn't necessarily make them mafia. I didn't have perfect information. That was the basis for my read. Kita on the other hand leaves Trfel off his original list. + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2016 11:13 kitaman27 wrote: Haven't bothered with filter dives yet, but aside from maybe 1 afk straggler, the mafias are in here. Onegu prplhz Artanis[Xp] Lunaticman Dandel Ion Shapelog GlowingBear iamperfection sicklucker Meapak_Ziphh Chezinu I'll see if I can narrow this down a bit more and come up with a top 3 or something. This amongst other things suggests you are much more strongly connected to Trfel than me. We proceed to what you are suggesting for vigshots. + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2016 23:53 kitaman27 wrote: I would move GB and Luna down to one of the lower tiers and suggest the vig's focus on the scum reads, while using investigative roles on the trash pile, but this is a solid list overall. THAT post above is BEFORE Ikea announcement, and you want vigs to focus on the scumreads. Trfel is just above that category. Then soon after IKEA announcement + Show Spoiler + On August 19 2016 06:39 kitaman27 wrote: Here is where I'm at right now. Really Town Half the Sky Koshi Disformation Tumblewood kitaman27 Mostly Townie Skynx Damdred Dandel Ion Fecalfeast No Clue Kurumi Stutters695 Trfel Rels sicklucker Shapelog Kinda scummy, but less so than group below Artanis[Xp] Lunaticman Meapak_Ziphh Probably Mafia GlowingBear iamperfection prplhz Chezinu THEN OUT OF NOWHERE - namely towards the end + Show Spoiler + On August 20 2016 08:20 kitaman27 wrote: Sweet :D I'd say GlowingBear, Trfel, iamperfection, and chezinu are the priorities. We have a couple vig shots too right? I wonder if we can take out all of them. It's just like magic folks. That is where he's suggesting where to sink kp. It comes from nowhere and when I read pages 3-5 of Kita's filter there is zero mention of Trfel, let alone zero direct mention of Trfel (except where quoted in list posts). The two players have ignored each other and Trfel has flipped mafia. Kitaman in particular had ignored Trfel. That is why they are both mafia. | ||
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On August 27 2016 05:44 Stutters695 wrote: No, we lynch Damdred for the assured kill. Not to mention I have 0 faith in your associations because you're wrong about me. I agree about Damdred being mafia. There's no question about that. But you also noticed (or should have noticed) how quick everyone (who was active and in thread) was to vote him down. Koshi had come up with the theory that there is an ulterior motive for the bus and sicklucker had claimed kp, and I was also bothered by the lack of scumhunting going on. Damdred and Trfel arent' the only mafia and we're in a lylo type situation. People are not looking back and I was really concerned about that. And if I'm wrong about you, why haven't you made reads on anyone else? Why does it seem like you only pop in when you're mentioned? Do you have reads on anyone else? You have ignored most of the game to be quite honest. You also drew attention to some extent because Damdred mentioned he got a red check on you IIRC. | ||
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On August 27 2016 05:58 Tumblewood wrote: with the leaps of faith you're willing to make you can draw the conclusion for anyone to be scum Do you understand why I'm making this distinction? If neither of us are mafia, then who is? For example, what do you think of sicklucker, whom you suspected earlier? | ||
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On August 27 2016 06:00 sicklucker wrote: na.... kitas def mafia trust me I was interacting with them all day. I will shoot kita if hes not lynched. its better we target guys with potential kp Shoot Kita, as it looks like Damdred is getting lynched at the moment. | ||
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On August 27 2016 06:05 sicklucker wrote: like kitaman jsut voted dandred... its obviously not good for town to lynch dandred first. hes probably third party. with how much kita tried I doubt it losses us the game but it cant be good If town won't vote Kita, it's gg unless you can shoot him. Mechanically we needed to vote a scum on my list that wasn't Damdred. I felt there was a case for Rels and Kita, the latter I didn't articulate well enough. | ||
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On August 27 2016 06:02 Koshi wrote: We lynching Damdred? Kita if possible. SL and I will switch. | ||
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Damdred is scum, but we suggested that given how quickly everyone wanted to vote him, it was bus city and there was a reason behind that. That's been stated multiple times by a few. | ||
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On August 27 2016 06:23 Rels wrote: Yeah so why would the game not end. It's normal for scum to pile on a bus. The reason is just "my teammate is gonna die I need to vote him". I'm saying that whichever mafia isn't dying (i.e. the one not saccing himself) might have an extra ability to hurt town even more regardless. Koshi attacked the logic of dumb Damdred's fakeclaim was to begin with. Hence the thought of a possible agenda. | ||
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Yes I have heard of that book because people have asked me whether I've named myself after it (I use this name in Dota/other games). My handle is actually because of my career, and not that book. | ||
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On August 27 2016 06:30 sicklucker wrote: heh. is that what your named after ! No it's my career. I have travelled so much for work and leisure that I have literally covered half the sky, or so it's been said. | ||
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On August 27 2016 06:31 sicklucker wrote: hts /rels come play dota this shits locked up one way or the other I would but I have a special someone waiting for me after deadline. | ||
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On August 27 2016 06:47 Koshi wrote: Hello Artanis. If he's coming back, nice. | ||
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SWEET BLOODY VINDICATION. gg wp Kitaman no hard feelings, your scum game is as always, way too clean. I just absolutely dismal in selling the case. | ||
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I'm not sure what mechanic/person exactly killed him, but whoever enabled that, thank you thank you thank you. I'm not sure why MZ/SL went down with him too though. Ugh. Looks like the same person, so RNG? if so, I'll count my lucky stars. I'm going to go through Kitascum's filter and see whether I can confirm or whether it changes anything, I doubt it. | ||
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On August 27 2016 07:32 iamperfection wrote: Who should I help win......... get on your knees welps Well here's an honest question, who impressed you more in this last cycle? (which faction?) It's 5:1:2 Mafia have 2 left, assuming a 5 player scum team (for 28 people I think it's 5), and you want this to end quickly. I think the numbers are such that you should help town, personally. Of course, I can't control what you wind up doing. | ||
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Ahhhhh he just can't talk I presume. /derp Okay. | ||
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Well we were screwed anyhow. Were you mafia from the beginning or was it an alignment changing mechanic? | ||
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And Koshi playing the way he did the first several cycles, he clearly deserved the events that led to the win if he was mafia from the beginning. | ||
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Well played. Town played poor but you personally stepped it up. I would get a Leffe or Trippel or whatever honestly. WP. | ||
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On August 27 2016 07:48 Palmar wrote: After the last day it became a race between artanis and koshi. Koshi goes first, making the game 4v3 (killing rels). Then Artanis goes, but since he shot a townie (fecalfeast) the game ended. If artanis had hit mafia they would have gone another round, if artanis hit another mafia, he would disappear and there would be a final 3v1 day with koshi as the last mafia. Gotcha, so Artanis had to nuke correctly, Kita was an obvious kill by then. But yeah I can understand the FF nuke. | ||
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CALLED IT. | ||
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On August 27 2016 07:52 kitaman27 wrote: Sorry HTS :D LOL you played to your wincon, like I said no hard feelings. I'm just glad you got your just dues in the form of Revenge of the Artanis. | ||
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On August 27 2016 07:58 ritoky wrote: 5) not using the conveyor belt properly - it was a good opportunity to purge a bunch of question marks via pulling super town people off the back or shoving tons into the fire, the conservative approach taken was the wrong one. I'll admit this was partially on me - I literally went conservative because that's the impression I got from reading the DF 1/2 games hosted by Ace since I really didn't understand the furnace at first. Seems like each postgame Ace pushed the conservative way of doing things... | ||
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If we had gone the carpet bomb method I guarantee you we would have pulled Koshi and Kita off with the top towns at that point. I don't know if we would have ever gotten Koshi. | ||
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On August 27 2016 08:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I wish you had pushed a bit harder for it bc I would have gone hard in the paint for you if you had wanted to challenge koshi. You played a really good game. +1 | ||
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Much <3 for trusting me in the end. | ||
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