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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22213 Posts
August 16 2016 01:47 GMT
#233
On August 16 2016 10:45 Grackaroni wrote:
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On August 16 2016 10:43 Vivax wrote:
On August 16 2016 10:39 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 16 2016 10:32 Vivax wrote:
Btw I'm also fairly sure someone can attempt to become president while not being American...A Schwarzenegger role for example :D

And Palmar obviously is going to shape the game as it goes.

Schwarzenegger wasn't president. probably it goes nationality = country you can run for, country = election you can vote in


I know he wasn't president lol. But he had political ambitions in a place he wasn't born in, so he certainly would have tried to run for it if he could.

And I'm fairly sure there are roles who pretend to be American/soviet when running for pres but actually aren't.

Remember that in order to run for office or vote you must be a citizen of America. Any fraud will be punished severely.


I doubt that's just for flavour

I don't think this election is all that important in the grand scheme of things.


Oooo but that's where you err. This game is going to be about nukes, wars and other disasters, and the elected folks will decide over the wars at the very least.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22213 Posts
August 16 2016 02:27 GMT
#239
On August 16 2016 11:18 GlowingBear wrote:
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On August 16 2016 10:37 Vivax wrote:
On August 16 2016 10:27 Onegu wrote:
Fairly certain GlowingBear is scum btw.


Agree that he seems off (displays zero aggression so far), you can go to town pile.


Why should I be aggressive in less than 6 hours from the start of a heavily themed game that offers way more things to think about other than other people's alignment?

Trust me, USA citizens. Vote me and i won't let you down


Sure the point is valid, but it's also valid that you show little interest in figuring others out, or the game in general, and an exceptional interest into getting elected.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22213 Posts
August 16 2016 02:41 GMT
#245
On August 16 2016 11:31 GlowingBear wrote:
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On August 16 2016 11:27 Vivax wrote:
On August 16 2016 11:18 GlowingBear wrote:
On August 16 2016 10:37 Vivax wrote:
On August 16 2016 10:27 Onegu wrote:
Fairly certain GlowingBear is scum btw.


Agree that he seems off (displays zero aggression so far), you can go to town pile.


Why should I be aggressive in less than 6 hours from the start of a heavily themed game that offers way more things to think about other than other people's alignment?

Trust me, USA citizens. Vote me and i won't let you down


Sure the point is valid, but it's also valid that you show little interest in figuring others out, or the game in general, and an exceptional interest into getting elected.


That's not something you should expect anyone doing right now, Vivax. I didn't see anything alignment indicative. Did you? Is there any kind of information that you think I should be working on?

(I think my english is getting worse. If there is something that doesn't make sense and needs redacting, please tell me)


If you write this you are literally not reading.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22213 Posts
August 16 2016 12:28 GMT
#642
Well if anyone has the ability to stop the nuke directed at superbia, I would reccommend it. He seems genuinely upset and uniting US and udssr sounds like a pretty useful thing toi me
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22213 Posts
August 16 2016 12:47 GMT
#660
On August 16 2016 21:45 Holyflare wrote:
There's only one other person I'd vote that isn't me and they should (hopefully they're also town) know that I'm safe.


Hope you're talking of superbia, seems like the safest candidate so far, but 1gu is nuking his ass after scumreading GB.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22213 Posts
August 16 2016 12:52 GMT
#669
On August 16 2016 21:48 Superbia wrote:
Vivax did you know that there are two elections?

What nationality are you anyway?


Sure I knew it.
My nationality is sort of surprising, but it's neither soviet nor US.

Uniting the 2 superpowers would be something that may help to fulfill my win con however, unless Palmar decides that it leads to shitty events.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22213 Posts
August 16 2016 13:05 GMT
#679
On August 16 2016 21:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Possible scumreads through page 12:

GlowingBear - there's talk of mechanics, I'm looking for what he normally does as town, usually tries to fish for information and gets reads off the stuff he tries to bait through but so far no followup. will update as necessary.

Kitaman - lots of talk about mechs so far but no reads. Also I recall from PYP Keirathi made an accurate read on him, him talking at people and not talking to people is mafia-indicative for him, and that's what I'm seeing so far with him.


I like those. But I'm not a confident kitaman reader. GB however is either scum or 3p. He was just really disinterested into figuring things out and only kept pushing his election.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22213 Posts
August 16 2016 13:18 GMT
#693
On August 16 2016 22:17 disformation wrote:
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On August 16 2016 22:14 Half the Sky wrote:
On August 16 2016 22:06 disformation wrote:
GB was super meh/low active/not doing much in his last town game, that just ended like 2 days ago. So I am not sure how to read him atm.


Remember NSM18? He's popping in and out and drawing mafia into reaction tests from what would seem like pointless shit. It's lacking in here, I'm looking in and out through 13-14. Nothing to change my read on him through page 17.

Also aside from Superbia do you have any reads from early activity?

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On August 16 2016 20:47 disformation wrote:
town: superbia, luna, koshi
town lean: hf, art

!town: oneg

I also think that prolly one of the guys running for us president is scum. aka one of gb, tw, grack. but that is more of a gut guess

not sure what you mean by early activity, but these are my reads atm.


you're prolly just mafia for not having me as lock town and having Gb as null
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22213 Posts
August 16 2016 13:25 GMT
#705
On August 16 2016 22:23 iamperfection wrote:
I hate this game already


Yesterday it looked more promising with GB pinned down rite?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22213 Posts
August 16 2016 13:27 GMT
#709
On August 16 2016 22:26 Damdred wrote:
I'll do my best to catch up as the day goes,

Sadly I am unable to save you as I do not have an anti-nuke. Did we all decide to claim nationality?


I suggested it but everything I said apparently didn't get read.

Pretty sure iamp feels the same way and has the urge to go afk.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22213 Posts
August 16 2016 13:44 GMT
#739
On August 16 2016 22:42 disformation wrote:
Like I have a set of reads I am pretty confident in. Maybe I should give GB a scum lean. Out of the ppl running for the USA election he is def. the most scummiest. And I guess at least one scummer is trying to get that job.


Seems like something you want to do out of thread pressure and not own volition.

Ergo pretty scummy
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22213 Posts
August 16 2016 14:02 GMT
#767
I didn't like that Vivax went out of his way to disagree with my voting plan when there really isn't a downside to the extra information, even if it doesn't pan out in the end. He never explained why it was too complex when asked.

Your plan is pointless, everyone can lie about their nationality, we will never discover the motivations for why someone would lie until we see flips from either them or the presidents.

Also, kita please. Here's the post that's replying directly to you.

On August 16 2016 09:16 Vivax wrote:
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On August 16 2016 09:11 kitaman27 wrote:
On August 16 2016 09:06 Vivax wrote:
On August 16 2016 09:03 kitaman27 wrote:
On August 16 2016 08:57 Vivax wrote:
What I find interesting so far is that 2 people applied for American presidence but not for the soviet unions. Any reason ?


In Soviet Russia, President elect you!

Since the voting is private, it probably makes sense to cast your votes in the thread and then if the counts differ from the actual result, it could help narrow down who lied.


I think that's too complex especially with this amount of players. Also really only viable if you know the presidents alignments right after the election.


Not really though. Say two people pledge their vote to grack.

Then we find out grack received 1 vote. We'd essentially know that 1 out of 2 players was lying at that point. It doesn't matter what gracks alignment is.

Plus it's not like people aren't going to share who they want to elect as mayor. Shouldn't be too hard to keep track. We don't have lynches so that's really the only alignment indicative thing we've got.


Gracks alignment would tell us why they lied (so it's relevant imo), and then both of them are going to say that they told the truth. Also they would need a reason to lie in before hand and that reason is hidden within the candidates alignments or the voters win conditions.

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22213 Posts
August 16 2016 14:03 GMT
#769
Btw im having a hard time quoting and highlighting cause my mouse is reaching the end of its lifetime and when I actually manage to left click, it clicks doubly.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22213 Posts
August 16 2016 14:11 GMT
#780
List post time:

3p: TW

Scummy: 1gu, GB, disfo, (kita)

Likely town: Iampurrfection, superbia.

Lock town: Koshi, HTS

Rest still on the fence.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22213 Posts
August 16 2016 14:16 GMT
#787
On August 16 2016 23:10 kitaman27 wrote:
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On August 16 2016 23:02 Vivax wrote:
Your plan is pointless, everyone can lie about their nationality, we will never discover the motivations for why someone would lie until we see flips from either them or the presidents.


I have no reason to lie about my nationality, do you? We essentially announce ahead of time (right now) that anyone who lies about their vote will be assumed mafia. That even discourages people with alternate win conditions or whatever from lying because they know they will be punished for lying in the thread.

Then once we get the results, we can learn if someone lied about their vote. It doesn't matter if the president that gets elected is town or mafia because only mafia would have the motivation to say they are supporting one candidate and then secretly voting another.

Plus it makes people have to take a stance in the thread during a cycle where we don't get the information from a lynch. The vote is really the only alignment indicative info we have on day one, aside from the random nuke or something. Sure, player A can call player B scum, but without a lynch or anything to enforce it, it is pretty empty.


We already decided that 1gu lied? Seems like we don't need plans for people to do scummy shit, but gl getting 27 people to do what you want. I already have a hard time getting my posts read even by you when I reply to one of your posts.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22213 Posts
August 16 2016 14:20 GMT
#794
On August 16 2016 23:18 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2016 23:16 Vivax wrote:
On August 16 2016 23:10 kitaman27 wrote:
On August 16 2016 23:02 Vivax wrote:
Your plan is pointless, everyone can lie about their nationality, we will never discover the motivations for why someone would lie until we see flips from either them or the presidents.


I have no reason to lie about my nationality, do you? We essentially announce ahead of time (right now) that anyone who lies about their vote will be assumed mafia. That even discourages people with alternate win conditions or whatever from lying because they know they will be punished for lying in the thread.

Then once we get the results, we can learn if someone lied about their vote. It doesn't matter if the president that gets elected is town or mafia because only mafia would have the motivation to say they are supporting one candidate and then secretly voting another.

Plus it makes people have to take a stance in the thread during a cycle where we don't get the information from a lynch. The vote is really the only alignment indicative info we have on day one, aside from the random nuke or something. Sure, player A can call player B scum, but without a lynch or anything to enforce it, it is pretty empty.


We already decided that 1gu lied? Seems like we don't need plans for people to do scummy shit, but gl getting 27 people to do what you want. I already have a hard time getting my posts read even by you when I reply to one of your posts.


meh it's not like you can't do one without the other. If someone doesn't care about who gets elected or post an opinion about those 6-8 players in the threa
d at any point, that says something about them in their own right.


I do care who gets elected, which is why I support superbia, even though I can't vote.

Basically I'll elect anyone who isn't a warmonger.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22213 Posts
August 16 2016 14:21 GMT
#797
On August 16 2016 23:19 Holyflare wrote:
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On August 16 2016 23:13 Skynx wrote:
On August 16 2016 19:40 Holyflare wrote:
Wait so whi nuked who

Now not reading the thread huehueuhe


This guy got the butt hurt role or something.


Right?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22213 Posts
August 16 2016 14:23 GMT
#801
That thing is clearly a third party planar dragon, seems like a job for lunatic who is probs Dr. Who
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22213 Posts
August 16 2016 18:30 GMT
#1079
On August 17 2016 02:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2016 01:56 Shapelog wrote:
On August 17 2016 01:50 Superbia wrote:
On August 17 2016 01:48 Shapelog wrote:
Best or worse b-day present?
48 pages of what is either actual content (boo) or spam (yay!)?

Anyways, give me a few mins. Did not expect the thread to be so big rofl. Also,
On August 17 2016 01:38 disformation wrote:
onegu is nuking superbia
artanis stole superbias legs.
hf and me are fighting for us president.
some ppl probably have alignmenzs.

Upon seeing this, either people think Superbia is scum, people are racist to superbia, or Onegu is trump and this is the world where trump wins the election.

Also i want to ran for pres. so hopefully there are more then US. because i do not want to deal with this Trumpic Us.


It's racism.

Oh, then screw superbias.
On August 17 2016 01:53 disformation wrote:
hts:
onegu is kim il of north korea and 3rd party. i say this like 5 times in my filter.
no clue wtf art is up to.

shape:
i am trump.

Ok,

If I fly to Europe and slowly take over the government, want to be bffs?

Also if anyone wants to inform me wtf is going on, I happy give my thoughts before I get enough time to actually go through his mess.

not happy enough to do it by yourself though


You haven't been pushed over nothing. You claimed there was nothing alignment indicative in the thread.

Which isn't true cause I TR Koshi for his first post and there was also some other stuff going on.

So if you think there is nothing alignment indicative, then you would debate people claiming that something is alignment indicative.

But instead you only talked about this election.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22213 Posts
August 16 2016 18:32 GMT
#1083
On August 17 2016 02:04 Damdred wrote:
Hts I think the most important thing to know is this.

Town circle
Damdred
Hts
Koshi
Kita
I am

Scum lean
Disf

Scum
Onegu

That's where I'm at atm.



HtS literally has the same scumreads as me, at least 3/4 and lots of her townreads as well so if you read her town for the information, why not me?
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