Newbie Student Mafia XXII

On July 31 2016 17:00 J Roc wrote:



RIP.

Thought first post meant you were confirmed town on this site. Guess thats only true if you get a role PM.

On July 31 2016 21:10 silentwarrior wrote:
Well, early posting helps makes other post. We are posting because of him now, aren't we? It helps discussion going, but I agree that now that early game is over he should start getting serious. Hopefully he will start writing constructive stuff from here on.

Kelsier on the other hand said outright that he could post but wouldn't because nothing "reasonable had been posted". But he dosen't post anything at all and says he will even wait. To me that seems a lot more suspicous than posting nonsense. Remember, we are here to lynch mafia not people we don't like. That makes my vote much better than Kelsier. Not to mention it puts pressure on him to not just "see us in a few days" but actually post during this time.

Also, I never said that I wouldn't vote for Race given reason(even said I had no problem with Kelsier voting for him). I didn't vote for Kelsier because he didn't post, I voted for him because he could post but said he wouldn't and instead wait to see what others posted. You have to agree that's kind of suspicous, right?

On August 01 2016 01:52 Skynx wrote:

I don't like this actually. Feels like he's just trying to find reason to sr someone.
I mean you don't force some1 into contribute and half the thread was afk anyways. You can ask his opinions befroe he goes away try to spark some activity but voting because he doesnt contribute cuz cba is weak.

On August 01 2016 05:38 Lunaticman wrote:


So are you having regrets about something? Your first posts really didn't put you in a good position becauset they were a super lame buss attempt on a "policy lynch" (however I don't think many would disagree on it), I would consider this was more of a towny mistake than anything but if I was town I wouldn't go back on what I said like that without an explination something like:

"hey I messed that one up and thought he was super annoying". No intead you were like "Hi I'm town".

It's like your just trying to hide what you previously stated. I would definatly not have a problem lynching you for your posting behaviour tbh.

On August 01 2016 11:36 -Celestial- wrote:
Hey so I'm in. Day was pretty great. Really interesting panel with Warwick Davis answering questions, spent far too much money on a Viking drinking horn, chatted to a guy in a Deadpool costume wearing a maid uniform, just the usual convention things.

So...the game. I'm going to post thoughts on everyone anyway, despite Race's chaos. I'm not as happy with this as I'd like to be but eh...

Lunaticman - Thing about lynching Grac because of a previous game is NAI as far as I'm concerned. Just salt. Don't particularly like the assumption of Race being town based on the spamming but honestly I don't think it even matters. It was just a massive disruption to the game all told. This line indicates to me that they're not on the mafia team together:



Even though this is perfectly true it's not something I think you would say about a fellow mafia member so early on. You wouldn't want to undermine their credibility (even if Race was doing a more than good enough job doing that himself). This isn't to say that Lunatic or Race/scott isn't mafia, but a Lunatic/(Race/scott)/x team is unlikely in my eyes based on that post alone, which is a potentially useful bit of information going forward.

I actually really like Lunatic's reply to Skynx:



Lunatic is town leaning a little from this in my eyes (unless we want to go tinfoil hat and assume they're both mafia and are playing a VERY aggressive game together). If they're both mafia then he doesn't do this so early because you're starting to put yourself too close to a teammate too early on before anyone is being townread and before you see where the game is going. If Lunatic is mafia and Skynx isn't then I think you be a bit more buddy-buddy about the "hey we agree on this!" thing.

Questioning Grack about that kinda weird thing on Race is good. From there on seems to be asking genuinely useful probing questions. Trying to get a game going despite everything that's happened. All good stuff.


silentwarrior - The focus on Kelsier is really, really weird. Like...to me Kelsier was clearly just sick and fed up of what Race was doing. Hell if I'd not been out all day I'd probably have felt the same way if I'd been looking forward to getting the game going. It's totally NAI that he felt like that. But silent went ham on it. He's right that avoiding posting and waiting for others is kinda scummy, but there was practically nothing to go on and Race was just messing up the thread with garbage.

Maybe I sympathise with Kelsier a bit here because every game so far I've liked to hold back a bit at the beginning so I could get a decent read post off as my first major contribution. I like having a starting point for myself, see.

silent then calls out Race for the spam. But it was the easiest call-out in the world because of the overwhelming amount of garbage. ANYONE calls this out. As any alignment. Regardless of the alignment of Race. Even in the one circumstance that you don't really want to call someone out for it (i.e. being on the same Mafia team) you still call this out because if someone on a scum team with you is doing that kind of something you bus them hard because they're not helping at all.

I don't entirely dislike silent's reasoning on the Kelsier vote but it's still reaching incredibly far. Kelsier's actions weren't unreasonable given the circumstances, even if they were a bit scummy. I could easily see a town doing exactly the same things.

Shady. Do not like. Just going ham on Kelsier and looking at literally nobody else.


beentheredonethat - Claimed he was going to wreck people. Then said we should kill Race "before the replacement". That's an incredibly scummy thing to do as far as I'm concerned. Then made a joke with Moosy. That is literally the entire content of his filter, three posts since his confirm. Very dodgy.


MoosyDoosy - Said to ignore Race. It's a fair point to make. It gets a bit weirder later on though. He says he's not fond of D1 policy lynches which is a fair point too and a position I can agree with (though I'd still have totally policied Race for that utter nonsense, it was really getting on my nerves). Then claims he was pretty sure Race was town, then says it'll become more apparent with the next person. Then talks about how Race's spam was pointless.

You know...if I want to go REALLY tinfoil hat here I could almost say Moosy is protecting Race here by playing down the importance of that insanity. The fact that he's replying to a joke about him being scum by saying it's a good read would be one hell of a mind game tactic if you actually were scum.

All of Moosy's posts actually make a lot of sense to me and I can see where they're all coming from. But there's just something here that makes me very uncomfortable.


Race Bannonscott31337 - Oh god where to start...you know I'm going to just totally discount all of Race's stuff right now. I MIGHT go back to it at some point just in case there's literally anything in there to be used but right now from a brief look I can't pick out much that's even coherent, let alone useful.

Which leaves me with scott. His http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511961-newbie-student-mafia-xxii?page=14#268 ]first post is actually really, really cute. I can't draw any useful alignment information on it because it basically amounts to a town claim, which anyone would do. Though I think he might actually have a bit of a point.

Good point on BTDT. Totally disagree on silent. Agree with the thing about that particular J Roc post. Again really dislike his position on silent.

Can't do much with scott right now. Race's stuff is totally useless in this too. I'm really not sure I like the buddying with silent but that might just be because we seem to disagree on silent; someone buddying with someone you're scum leaning on is always going to feel bad. On the other hand his posts seem sincere.


Stutters695 - Said wouldn't be about much because of birthday. Isn't about much. Totally fair enough imo.

Fed up with Race, like a lot of people. NAI.

Really good point in reply to Moosy. I find him pointing out that Race is actually capable of being coherent, he just isn't, quite a towny thing to do. Because it comes from a mentality of wanting the game to actually go somewhere.

I also like the calling out of Grack claiming that Race was probably town. And challenging the reply. I'd like to see more tomorrow but all I've seen here so far is coming from a town mentality.


J Roc - The whole blue claim thing earlier came across as quite silly honestly. Responding rather flippantly to posts, though quite amusingly admittedly. Early stuff is a bunch of nothing, don't like.

But then calls out silent for that post of his that I found awful as well. Asks Race to comment on the Kelsier vote. And points out the really weird BTDT post. Like this bit. On balance probably more townie than not.


Mderg - Pretty funny first post I have to admit. Also calls out silent for his Kelsier stuff. Also called to kill off Race, frustration apparent. Piggy-backing off Skynx's post comment on silent but he previously called out silent and I can't disagree with Skynx's post so I don't think it's a case of buddying up. Kinda weird post calling out Lunatic for saying 'bus'; although he's perfectly right in the specifics I don't really get any maliciousness from Lunatic's post he's quoting. Frankly I think this is an overreaction to Lunatic's post given that Lunatic probably just misspoke.

Also told Kelsier he should get in the game. That's fine I guess.

Nothing particularly special to make mderg either way here honestly. I want to see more. He's not posted since the replacement.


KelsierSC - Done hardly anything so far. Kinda a fair point for a big chunk of it because of frustration over Race but since the sub still hasn't done a lot. Lunatic called him out a bit and the reply was literally just 'good for you'. Then he called the game terrible. Then say Skynx is okay but doesn't like anyone else.

On the one hand the lurking and seemingly not playing is kinda scummy. On the other hand I don't think mafia is so damn flippant about it. Null


Skynx - Did absolutely jack all until Race got banned honestly. But I like his thoughts on silent's post when Grack asked for them. And he was spot-on with the comment to BTDT too. Kinda like. Would not lynch today.


Grackaroni - Has a lengthier filter than most but there's honestly not a lot in it. The stuff pre-Race ban is a bunch of nothing. I don't like all this "Race is probably town" based off the utter garbage Race was serving up. Also I feel like the whole "Mafia plays subdued" thing is honestly pretty leading. I don't think this is necessarily a safe assumption at all, but he seems quite happy to push town down that way of thinking.

I like that he brings up silent's post but I don't like that he doesn't want to post his own thoughts before getting other people's. I also don't like that he disagrees with it but just dismisses it as 'reasoning a new town player would make' whilst simultaneously setting up to call anyone who calls silent scum, scum themselves. Then calling up people who were calling on silent, despite the fact that he's admitted that he disagrees with silent himself...he just doesn't find him particularly scummy for it.

This is a kind of weird mentality...you agree that you don't like the thoughts in silent's post...but they're scummy for feeling that it might make silent scummy?

I got split feelings on the three he calls most towny. So I guess I can't do much with this.

However I have huge issues with this bit:



No. Mderg wanted to policy lynch Race, because he was screwing up the thread. Mderg hasn't commented AT ALL on scott himself because he's not been in thread since then. This is pretty deceptive stuff from Grack imo. I don't like it when people try to slip things like that under the radar. Scum lean.
The defence on Lunatic is NAI because its exactly what I thought. Asking Kelsier to play is fine and complaining about him complaining is also fine but nothing special. Asks for a lynch target from Kelsier. NAI, anyone would want more info from Kelsier at this stage no matter their alignment or Kelsier's.


Rels - Literally done absolutely nothing since the game started. -_-


So right now my things look something like this:
Town lean - Stutters695, J Roc, Lunaticman, Skynx
Null - Moosy, scott, mderg, KelsierSC, Rels
Scum lean - silentwarrior, beentheredonethat (unless he gives a good reply about 'that one post'), Grack

Questions for people!

silent: more thoughts, if you please, on someone other than Kelsier. You're tunnelling hard here and the only comment you've made about anyone else is complaining about Race's spamming.

beentheredonethat: do something. Literally anything. Call someone scum. Call someone town. Ask a question of someone. Whatever. Also I'd like some thoughts about where you were coming from with that godawful call to lynch Race "before" a replacement.

mderg: thoughts now that scott has replaced Race then, given that the last thing you seemed to want to do was lynch Race?

KelsierSC: as for BTDT. Please do something, anything. What do you like about Skynx, for example? Though I sort of assume it's probably the same things I like so I guess that won't really get us anywhere...

Rels: same as BTDT. But bigger: DO SOMETHING, LITERALLY ANYTHING.

scott: Bit more specific question that I'm curious about. You posted this:



When you were saying about RB being town and looking into who voted for him. I know this is only the people who actively voted for him but I expressed in thread that I'd probably be up with plynching him given the nonsense going on. Any particular reason I'm being left off your potential scum list? Or is it just my relative lack of filter and the fact I didn't actually get around to voting due to being out most of the day which made you miss it?

On August 01 2016 12:57 Grackaroni wrote:

I think that mafia tends to play more subdued is a pretty standard idea that most players would accept. I'm not saying Race Bannon could never be mafia but lynching the guy who goes out of his way to spam the thread and pisses everybody off in the process is definitely not a good place to start if you want to hit mafia.

Silent made the first serious accusatory post of the game and put himself in the spotlight. I liked the post just because I think that Kelsier's non-contribution would look scummy to a newcomer, but the start of the game is the easiest time to "contribute". All I've gathered so far is that Kelsier seems annoyed from the state of the game and can't be assed to start playing. I don't really read Kelsier either way. Also I can disagree with a post's conclusions and still townread somebody for their post. Case in point, I don't really agree with your reads or any of the reasoning attached to them, but I'm still very thankful for something to comment on and will give a town read for it. It's magic!

As for my choice not to post my thoughts before getting other people's. Are you saying that I'm afraid of putting forth my own thoughts before seeing other people's or something else? I don't think that will be too much of an issue. Actually I think the reason I've come up here in the first place is that I've actually put out some of the more distinctive things.

My point here for Mderg is that he's pushed three slots that I feel are town slots. What kind of deception do you think I'm trying to slip under the radar here? Anyone can read his filter in 30 seconds and see whether he has posted about Race bannon or Scott.

On August 01 2016 21:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:

explAin dood

On August 01 2016 22:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:

So do you think btdt's post was shit or good?

On August 02 2016 00:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Yes.


So you're scumreading scott because he's scumreading btdt for making a shit post?

On August 02 2016 02:17 Grackaroni wrote:

He was pretty transparently lazy openly stating that he was only looking at the people voting for him and choosing the worst one.

I know that other people have townread people for similar things to Scott's +1 post. Celestial is one for sure. I'm sure there are others as well. I dunno, the more people push against me for my reads the more entrenched I am in them lol, and they weren't even that strong to begin with.

On August 02 2016 02:38 scott31337 wrote:


Just so you are aware, giving some one a town point is different than townreading the person. I didn't say I townread the guy - It's more of a mental note that we agreed on something, and he's not in my lynch pile for now. You're trying to change my words to fit your agenda.

I know who I am, and I think you're trying to reach to get me mislynched.

Wouldn't Lynch Today
Lunaticman
silentwarrior
-Celestial-
MoosyDoosy
Stutters695
J Roc
Grackaroni

Null:
KelsierSC
Skynx
Rels

Would Lynch:

Mderg
beentheredonethat

I need to get this pot roast started - I'll be back.

On August 02 2016 03:51 Skynx wrote:
Anyway 1st things 1st, mderg, stutters, KSC and jroc pls move away from Scott there is no way he is scum, thank you.

On August 02 2016 04:00 Skynx wrote:

1: RB kept trolling when roles piled up on him. While scum may not panic sometimes, he definitely didn't look like he gave two fucks if he died right then.
2: Scott had a nice entry
3: You guys are just voting to shut him up, now regardless of alignment its a different player who is at least putting effor in the game.

On August 02 2016 04:05 Stutters695 wrote:
Grack is 75% likely to be scum. He has no actual reads and when he does vote someone, it's never from demonstrating a scum mindset.

I'm not sold on lunatic. He's had a hard time establishing reads, but that's more expected from a new player.

On August 02 2016 04:20 -Celestial- wrote:
Also at present:
- silent has done sod all since confirming his feelings on Kelsier
- Rels is going to get himself replaced or modkilled because of total inactivity

Can we expect a replacement or a modkill for Rels if he doesn't turn up at all for the entire day?

On August 02 2016 04:43 -Celestial- wrote:
Also at this rate any VCA is going to be utterly useless...especially if the lynch ends up being scott. -_-

On August 02 2016 05:37 Skynx wrote:


Hmm actually thats quite bad. Bunch of other stuff not really saying much.
He also likes my comment saying RB is a lazy scumread.
Like as inconsistent as it gets.

On August 02 2016 06:02 Rels wrote:
mderg you're scum
##Vote mderg

On August 02 2016 06:15 Rels wrote:

Several things.
First, your entire game is centered around RB, then scott. It's just so easy to talk about him right ? But this post is fucking bullshit:

I don't believe this for one second. Your voting post is pretty well explained for a "trap":

And there WERE some reactions to RB spamming + replacement, and you just didn't seem interested in looking for them.

Second, this post is also bullshit:

"Now thazt you mention it" ? The only thing you've extensively talk about apart from RB / scott was how silent's posts were bad. Your scott read is also based party on that:
+ Show Spoiler +

Third, you repeated your scott reasonning several times like a machine, and it's full of words like "superficial" that don't mean anything but looks cool. Standard scum reads. All your reads are like that.

Fourth, I just don't like your tone. Scummy posts ahead:
+ Show Spoiler +
These are all posts that look like you're trying to hard to be useful. But aren't useful.

On August 02 2016 06:24 mderg wrote:

I never said that I started some policy lynch discussion so we could get some information out of it. I was just a bit disappointed that pretty much the only ting that actually got people to do stuff was shut off because of the replacement. No ulterior motive, just some disappointment.

The "Now that you mention it" was more of a "Oh, I've forgot he is actually a possible lynch target".

Why did I call scott's reasoning superficial? Because it was superficial.

On August 02 2016 06:33 J Roc wrote:
I'm not lynching mderg. I agree with a lot of his reads.

On August 02 2016 07:51 Grackaroni wrote:

I don't think scum is less likely than town to do so. The discussion hasn't been on lynching Scott in ages so all we can assume is that Mderg thought a vote on Silent was the best chance of staying alive.