On August 02 2016 10:51 Stutters695 wrote:Going to get my thoughts out there so people can argue them in case I get shot tonight. My main two scum reads first.
Grack: Looks pretty bad from the day in general. Even worse after the flip. Doing a re-read as I post this.
#234 - it's weird that he has a town read on RB, but null.
#237- Want to note his "mafia play more subdued" comment.
Moving on.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 01 2016 08:19 Grackaroni wrote:Alright now my thoughts. I thought Silentwarrior's opening post was fine. I don't agree with his thoughts on Kelsier, but it seemed like reasoning a new town player would make. Furthermore, I thought that he would probably be an easy target for scum since he wrote out a case on Kelsier for posts that aren't really alignment indicative.
Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 01:34 Grackaroni wrote:Ok, I'll be back on tonight. I'd like to see some opinions on this post:
On July 31 2016 19:39 silentwarrior wrote:Hi guys, this is my second game on TL. I play mostly irl mafia, but wanted to try this again, first game ended too quick. Ok, so about Race Bannon. He posted a lot in the beginning when not many else did, which is good as it helps town discussion. Granted, most of it was nonsense but he is atleast posting. Don't think he should continue with it later though.
But what I wanted to focus on was KelsierSC
On July 31 2016 17:12 KelsierSC wrote:
This game is fucking stupid. I'll see you all this evening when hopefully something reasonable has been posted.
So, his first post he says that this is stupid and is gonna not post anything until the evening when something "reasonable" has been posted. But why not post yourself? Maybe say something reasonable yourself. Going away for hours without posting does not help us.
On July 31 2016 19:07 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm not putting up with this shit for the whole game
##vote Race Bannon
See you all in a few days
Then this, where he votes for Race Bannon (which is not what I have a problem with), but then states "See you all in a few days". Again, stating his intention to not post.
I think not wanting to post and waiting for others seems like something scum would do.
##vote Kelsier SC Since earlier in the thread J roc and Mderg posted suspicions on Silentwarrior based on that post and the day has been so slow, I wanted to see if a wagon would form. Not much came from it. Skynx said Silentwarrior was suspicious and Mderg reaffirmed his suspicion.
Right now I'm kind of inclined to lynch Mderg just because I think the three people he has pushed so far (Silentwarrior, Lunatic, scott) have been the townier people in the thread, and he has pushed suspicion on two of them and tried to policy lynch the third.
This post bothers me. At best this is lazy scumhunting when he should know better. This post lacks any justification into why scum mderg would push those people, just that he should be lynched for having different reads.
#326 slight positive for calling out skynx, petty easy thing to see and no real follow-up to be found.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 02 2016 02:40 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 02:35 Stutters695 wrote:On August 02 2016 02:27 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 02:24 Stutters695 wrote:
Grack, who is your biggest scumread and why?
I don't have any. Right now I'm just trying to narrow down who I want to vote between you/Skynx/J Roc/BtDt. Everyone else I don't want to lynch today.
So not a single one of us sticks out above another to you?
Nope. I might have a slight preference for Skynx but my reasoning is too useless to even bother explaining. I've actually looked through filters quite a bit and I'm pretty much just calling it quits. I'm going to see if Rels shows up and see what he has to say.
Has dropped Mderg without any new scumreads of merit or even real suspicion.
#358 His case is built on Btdt's case while only contributing that L didn't comment on C's point against grack, however in the quote L thinks he "is probably town" in direct contrast to C's scum lean.
Followed by some omgus on me, but I consider that pretty null.
Now onto crunch time:
Says he's going to re-read Lunas filter from a previous game.
OMGUS vote on me with no actual intent to push me.
Doesn't follow up on the Luna meta read.
Sheeps Rels on Mderg. Again, nothing original.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 02 2016 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 07:15 Stutters695 wrote:On August 02 2016 07:01 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 06:56 Stutters695 wrote:On August 02 2016 06:51 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 05:13 Stutters695 wrote:On August 02 2016 04:50 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 04:38 Stutters695 wrote:
As far as I can tell your only real point against him is he's not super active and didn't comment on celestial's post regarding you. He did say he was leaning town on you which implies he at least disagreed with it.
He might be scum but your points are a stretch, it'll become more apparent in time and I'm not convinced enough to lynch him over someone who is barely posting when that's half the game.
We have two players with long filters for this game skynx/Luna voting for somebody afk.
We have a bunch of other people who have posted close to nothing worth commenting on.
With this in mind, how exactly is your push on me not completely horrible? Now add in the fact that you are unwilling to contribute anything else besides this. Why shouldn't I vote you?
I was going to write something on Lunatic but I'm going to go reread the start of his filter from the last game first.
I'm done with pushing you until after the lynch. Downside to missing most of d1 and not having the time to throw up a large post from mobile.
If you missed most of day1 why would you push me like this? If I missed most of day 1 I'd at least show some caution with my reads rather than barge in with a 75% certain scum read like you did.
Neither of us are getting lynched today, so let's focus on determining who is the best lynch. We have one hour until the lynch. I don't doubt my read, but I don't have the thread presence to make this happen.
What did you think about silent's return post and voting for me?
I'm already voted for Mderg. Silent's post looks fine to me, what's your issue with it?
It shows either a general lack of disinterest(not following along) or an inability to make actual reads.
1) blatant misunderstanding/misrepresentation in his case on me.
2) his point on Scott again shows how little attention he is actually paying. He didn't immediately accuse 4 people of being scum, he said he'd expect to find scum on the wagon and would thus look into them.
3) his scum reads don't show a lot of thought in them while his town reads do. When I first rolled mafia it was incredibly hard to give scum reads with any sort of genuine belief when you know they're town. Bussing and town reads are much easier to give. I'm getting those vibes hard from his comeback post and his lynch gives much more info than a lynch on mderg.
I reread him and I don't really agree with your conclusion.
1)He's voting you because he thought your case on me was weak and he didn't like that you voted him when you had never mentioned him before. I don't see the misrepresentation.
2) it's not a bad post really. Scott did kind of did accuse all 4 at the start and then choose which one was the scummiest from the four. I think it is at least worth considering.
3) For day 1, I think that's what I would expect. I think the first coaching advice I ever got was that if you're just able to leave day 1 with some strong town reads you're in good shape. Day 1 lynches tend to be hit or miss and this game especially has been bleh.
This post especially bothers me. He doesn't acknowledge the clear distinction between a plynch and normal vote which is especially odd considering I was his vote before sheeping Rels.
Second point again is wrong. Just soft defending.
Although I disagree, I can understand the third point as a difference in philosophy. I'd recommend reading Ver's analysis because what I'm accusing Silent of is strikingly similar to what Grack is doing.
The post as a whole comes off as a soft defense of Silent, which looks bad with what happens after. Again to emphasize,
he is not contributing to finding scum, but softing town reads and slight pushes for non-indicative things . One might even say it's subdued play.
Not spoilering these because they're the most important.
Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 07:35 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 06:03 Rels wrote:
Scum team is very likely to be in this pool:
mderg
Celestial / KSC / Stutters
BTDT
I'm seeing a lot of squirming within Rels' scum reads between celestial and stutters, so I would beg town to follow through on this mderg lynch.
Pre-flip associations that accomplish nothing. It's also worth noting how he's just on board with a town Rels with essentially no doubt despite Rels just showing up.
He does backtrack on the associations in his next post, rendering this null, but still a lack of any real contribution.
With 3 minutes remaining, he finally accepts C and my argument that scum more than likely wouldn't vote how Mderg did, but he "waited too long for shennys" then apologizes to Mderg. It comes off as him being very worried of his appearance after the flip.
This dude scum. I'll check his meta tomorrow, but to be frank, I don't think it's even needed.