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Fuck, slow-down with the 1-liners everyone.
Want to clarify my stance a bit on the Tumble vs Empc thing as it seems like it is important.
I TR Tumblewood because I think he is trying to promote a good environment for town and he seems to be reading and interested in solving things.
I don't agree with his argument that Empc is necessarily scum though, because I think he actually is playing a bit differently this game... for example I don't see him making "logical leaps" like he did in Onegu or pushing as hard as he did early in that game; so I don't think that you can scum read him just off of Meta.
Tumble vs Empc seems T v T initially.
Let's focus on some not-useless shit.
I gotta get back to work for a bit, but I will be around...
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On July 21 2016 20:41 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 02:07 DCWasabi wrote:On July 20 2016 23:34 Tumblewood wrote:On July 20 2016 23:28 emperorchampion wrote:On July 20 2016 23:26 Tumblewood wrote:
actually no
luna's one post is not enough to balance out his previous posting. he's been posting but hardly playing all game. that definitely warrants a scumlean in my book. (this also applies to ec)
also if luna is scum I guess koshi isn't partners because why make a scum case and not go for the cred? shitty mafia move. Actually I've been playing the game a lot, so what's your scum lean based off of? when I say "posting but not playing" I mean you and luna are making a lot of posts but hardly working toward solving the game. OK, but if there is one thing that I learned from my first 2 games, it is that it is pretty nontrivial to "work towards solving the game" on Day 1. I think the first thing that is useful that one can do is get some activity out there day 1, and get your tone established so that you can be more easily read as town by the town moving forwards. I think this is one of the things that I actually did properly as town in the Onegu Best Host Game. Town should be trying to solve the game, but some of the players haven't even posted yet, for example it is 10am local time for me and I just woke-up 30 mins ago and am trying to get caught up. I don't scumlean either of those guys yet, tbh. At the same time, I kind of like this post by Tumble because it is the kind of thing that can help to start more meaningful discussion going and discourage people from posting random banter, otherwise they might get scum-read by this reasoning. I am going to slightly town-lean Tumble because his post leads to a slightly more favorable environment for town. I don't like this post. DC I need you to explain yourself on two things. 1- You say "Town should be trying to solve the game". Now you say it's hard to solve the game at the time of this post because "some of the players haven't even posted yet". BUT the players Tumble are talking about have posted quite a lot already. So this doesn't apply ? What is the motivation that pushed you making this post ? Why do you disagree with Tumble here ? 2 - Why do you don't scumlean either of those guys " yet" ? Cause it seems like yuo plan on scumleaning them later, which doesn't make sense, if they are scummy you should scumlean them now ?
1. The point of my post is that those 2 should not be scum-read for low content posts that early in the game. Like literally it was the first 6 hours they were being scrutinized for. That is still the banter phase and people are establishing their tone. My motivation? Obviously I don't want anybody miss lynched for a stupid reason. I think that should be obvious for town to see...
2. I don't scumlean them "yet" because they haven't done anything to warrant it yet. I was implying that this does not mean that I'm giving them a free pass forever or that I think they're necessarily town (at the time).
Will post more on my lunch break, and getting ready for work now but I wanted to respond to this because it was directed at me.
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OK I'm here, wtf is going on, lol.
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I don't have time to read all this in 18 minutes, ask me anything right now and I will answer truthfully.
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I think that Kush's case on SL is pretty shitty, but other than that nothing strikes me as particularly scummy.
He is always low activity early on.
I was Mason with him last game and he put like nothing in Mason QT.
I know that I am town, so obviously I would rather lynch him than me, but there may be better lynches.
I know that Kruppe was being inactive and useless due to hard to understand, has he posted better stuff recently?
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Why are people even trying to lynch me?
I have posted honestly and tried to figure things out, tho it isn't easy and I was pretty damn active early on/
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I put my vote on Kush for now in survival extincts but I can switch if there is a better target.
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Rels apparently is tunneling me because my posts aren't useful, but that is pretty fucking stupid as I contributed to getting the game going and making reads when 75% of the players hadn't done jack shit yet at the time.
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On July 22 2016 06:54 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2016 06:53 DCWasabi wrote:
Rels apparently is tunneling me because my posts aren't useful, but that is pretty fucking stupid as I contributed to getting the game going and making reads when 75% of the players hadn't done jack shit yet at the time. Not only because they aren't useful, but because they are all saying the same thing without contributing to the game. Showing up 15 minutes before deadline when you said you would be there for your lunch break is another thing not in your favor.
I could tell you why I wasn't here earlier, but it is personal and I think it would be a shitty move to bring it into the game.
I see you were talking about how I made a big deal about inactive not meaning scum necessarily, but this is only my third game. Both my last 2 games ended after just 1-2 lynches and there was a Mislynch on VA in one when he was inactive but not scum and a near Mislynch on SL for the same reason. I have only seen that reasoning work once before and that was on Snickers.
I think it was pretty fucking stupid that people were talking earlier aobut lynching for activity a few hours into the game, like wtf, people actually have lives, you can't expect them to be sitting by the computer spamming f5 until the game starts.
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I just got caught up on the thread but I don't have time to analyze and post a lot right now.
You can expect me back in 5-6 hours at which point I will try to be useful.
I am town. This makes me thinks that Rels is mafia because from what I have gleaned he is a veteran and he is tunneling me all game (and I am town). If he is really town then apparently he is bad at reading newbies.
##vote Rels
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On July 23 2016 06:57 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2016 06:55 DCWasabi wrote:I just got caught up on the thread but I don't have time to analyze and post a lot right now. You can expect me back in 5-6 hours at which point I will try to be useful. I am town. This makes me thinks that Rels is mafia because from what I have gleaned he is a veteran and he is tunneling me all game (and I am town). If he is really town then apparently he is bad at reading newbies. ##vote Rels Come on... That is weak. Fist of all he isn't tunneling you anymore. Secondly, he just put a ton of content in the thread to analyse. This is very lazy DCW.
It's not lazy, it is all I have time for at the moment.
I told you when I was going to post more.
IF that is not good enough for you, then too bad, idgaf.
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I'm back and ready to solve this game for yall, so expect me to make a longass post, but it is going to take some time and effort, so yeah... just an FYI... INCOMING! Mafia better be scared.
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OK, well turns out "solving the game" was a bit too ambitious, but I can give my thoughts...
Rels: #1 Mafia
He tunneled me 4ever, confirmed town (to myself).
He is also throwing shade at tumble, who I believe is town and Prp who is my #1 town read.
Grackaroni: Mafia
Rels #1 bestest teamate, if Rels flips town then disregard this read
prplhz: #1 town
consistant tone, changes his mind when presented with evidence, hard to fake passion, hesitant to lynch Kush, good thoughts about Kruppe
Skynx:
I think she is town or a skilled mafia, more likely town.
Filter is fucking long.
Good logic and reading things, moving thread forward.
I like her case on Koshi and defence of Kush.
note:
I don't read prplhz or Skynx as Mafia for scumreading me necessairly, because I admit that parts of my play have looked a bit scummy.
They aren't tunelling me like Rels was.
Kruppe: town for now because nobody cced
Tumble: Town
He is either town, or I think he is a really good at mafia.
Lunaticman:
Another fking long filter.
I think he is town, but if he ever confirmed town... do this: Go back and look at posts where he suspected somebody and then see who questioned his credibility right afterwards or called him crazy (they may be mafia).
Empc:
Town, as I explained earlier, I don't think his play this game is the exact same as his last scum games. For me it is noticeably different, even if he is not driving thread forward with logic, I feel like his posts are more heartfelt and not forced. Either he is town this game or he got better at playing mafia. i hope I'm not wrong.
There is also some Wifom about his "random vote" that yielded Palmar. I think it leans town as it would be too obvious to then NK palmer, but Wifom will be Wifom. It is a bit weird though that he then didn't comment on the idea that maybe mafia were setting him up... but it is not like he was really pushing for a Palmar kill, so it is probably nothing...
1 more thing, he is defending me at a points where I think it would have be stupid to do so if he was mafia. I mean, if there are several town on me right now, then I think Mafia could have a good shot at lynching me with a push form just 1-2 Mafia (please don't do that).
He says I need to step up and I think that is fair.
Sicklucker:
Towny because his reads make sense to me
Koshi: Town
if he is not town then we will worry about that later, he can actually push thread forward if he is town.
WELL FK, one of my TR has to be Mafia because it doesn't add up
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Maybe Koshi, but I don't want to poke him cuz he is like a bear and may bite my head off. And also if he is mafia with rels and grack because that would be too obvious to me.
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I'm down for lynching Rels or SL.
Even though I have been suspicious of Grack, I think his case on SL is good. If I'm wrong and Rels is town then it is more likely that Grack is town and then SL is probably scum in that universe.
@ Lunaticman, isn't the deadline in 3 hours not 2???
I WON'T be on at deadline because I have a Programming meeting, so if I need to change my vote lets work it out right now.
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On July 20 2016 23:26 Tumblewood wrote:
actually no
luna's one post is not enough to balance out his previous posting. he's been posting but hardly playing all game. that definitely warrants a scumlean in my book. (this also applies to ec)
also if luna is scum I guess koshi isn't partners because why make a scum case and not go for the cred? shitty mafia move.
Good reasoning.
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On July 21 2016 01:05 Tumblewood wrote:
how is Palmar "half meh, half ok"? he's had like 2 posts this game
Points out bad logic / post.
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On July 21 2016 02:15 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 02:11 emperorchampion wrote:On July 21 2016 02:08 Tumblewood wrote:On July 21 2016 02:06 emperorchampion wrote:
What do you think of my response of your question about Palmar's posting? I don't see a response On July 21 2016 01:07 emperorchampion wrote:
I was thinking to look more in depth, but I think the sentence that I posted sums it up pretty well actually. I don't question your reasoning on Palmar, I question the fact that you have a read on a guy who played for all of 5 minutes before leaving.
More here.
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