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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 20 2016 17:55 GMT
#361
@kush: tell me your secrets for scum hunting! You seem to get 2 the first day every game
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DCWasabi
Profile Joined December 2010
United States368 Posts
July 20 2016 17:56 GMT
#362
On July 21 2016 02:52 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 02:24 DCWasabi wrote:
On July 21 2016 02:21 Skynx wrote:
I gues you guys are scumreading me for "activity without actually contributin?" hehehe go ahead plots all being noted.


This is really unnecessarily defensive.

Why do you find the need to defend yourself right now?

You were not the main topic of the conversation.

This is unnecessary push. Defending yourself while you're not the main topic of conversation is not alignment indicative.
Also that wasn't a defence.


Maybe "all plots being noted" just triggers me.

Seems hella smug.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 20 2016 17:59 GMT
#363
On July 21 2016 02:52 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 02:24 DCWasabi wrote:
On July 21 2016 02:21 Skynx wrote:
I gues you guys are scumreading me for "activity without actually contributin?" hehehe go ahead plots all being noted.


This is really unnecessarily defensive.

Why do you find the need to defend yourself right now?

You were not the main topic of the conversation.

This is unnecessary push. Defending yourself while you're not the main topic of conversation is not alignment indicative.
Also that wasn't a defence.


How so an unnecessary push? If you're scum it is certainly necessary!

Also, all this I think was started from a softpush by koshi, how do you feel about that guy?
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
July 20 2016 18:09 GMT
#364
On July 21 2016 02:59 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 02:52 Skynx wrote:
On July 21 2016 02:24 DCWasabi wrote:
On July 21 2016 02:21 Skynx wrote:
I gues you guys are scumreading me for "activity without actually contributin?" hehehe go ahead plots all being noted.


This is really unnecessarily defensive.

Why do you find the need to defend yourself right now?

You were not the main topic of the conversation.

This is unnecessary push. Defending yourself while you're not the main topic of conversation is not alignment indicative.
Also that wasn't a defence.


How so an unnecessary push? If you're scum it is certainly necessary!

Also, all this I think was started from a softpush by koshi, how do you feel about that guy?

He sounded wierd. Koshi usually posts specific stuff from a filter instead of sayin "read his filter" you know. Hmmmm
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
July 20 2016 18:09 GMT
#365
On July 21 2016 02:36 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 02:25 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 21 2016 02:19 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 21 2016 02:15 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 21 2016 02:11 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 21 2016 02:08 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 21 2016 02:06 emperorchampion wrote:
What do you think of my response of your question about Palmar's posting?

I don't see a response


On July 21 2016 01:07 emperorchampion wrote:
I was thinking to look more in depth, but I think the sentence that I posted sums it up pretty well actually.


I don't question your reasoning on Palmar, I question the fact that you have a read on a guy who played for all of 5 minutes before leaving.


What do you think my reasoning on kruppe vs my reasoning on Palmar?

afaik you put kruppe in the inactive null category. I can't imagine him being anywhere else. I'm surprised though that Palmar is a town lean and not in the inactive null category with him.


Kinda meh/kinda OK is not a town lean category.

I think that your reasons for scum reading me are exceptionally limited now. In terms of "posting with a purpose", it's arguably limited to the first few posts of this game, which is pretty lulz since that was my entry to this game.

To me, you either have some sort of idea of my "meta" in your head, and you went with it after reading a bit, or you are scum trying to push for a mislynch (a vote already?). The fact that you're still tunnelling the same point, and haven't given any other reasons is very dubious.

I can't trust you at all, and I reeally hope that you're not setting yourself up for an easy mislynch.

ec do you want a case? I'll give you a case.

why ec is scum

summary:
1. posting to blend in and not to push town forward
2. no clear direction in his posting
(these are different points I promise)

1.
On July 21 2016 00:04 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2016 23:48 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 20 2016 23:45 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 20 2016 23:43 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 20 2016 23:37 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 20 2016 23:34 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 20 2016 23:28 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 20 2016 23:26 Tumblewood wrote:
actually no
luna's one post is not enough to balance out his previous posting. he's been posting but hardly playing all game. that definitely warrants a scumlean in my book. (this also applies to ec)
also if luna is scum I guess koshi isn't partners because why make a scum case and not go for the cred? shitty mafia move.


Actually I've been playing the game a lot, so what's your scum lean based off of?

when I say "posting but not playing" I mean you and luna are making a lot of posts but hardly working toward solving the game.


That makes sense but I leave the solving to more qualified players this game. Maybe you can enlighten us with some quality information?

...
solving the game is a team effort man. everyone needs to work towards finding scum, mostly because it's easier to find scum when they're pretending to make reads. no enlightenment from me, just reads.


Yes but without information it's impossible to do it. I'd like to know what you think about the others players so far.

players I have an opinion on:
you (scum lean but having doubts)
ec (scum lean)
koshi (association stuff with you)
I think I was screaming gracka but I don't remember why so it probably isn't important


Since you're willing to step up:
1) What association between koshi and lunaticman? You mean town lean on koshi?
2) How can you suddenly forget about grack when you scum lean me and lunatic for "activity"?
3) No read on skynx?
4) Is this contributing?

take this post. there's no conceivable purpose behind this because clearly nothing piques his interest (or else it would have focused on one point) but he asks a series of unrelated questions, the answers to which would not be helpful. I see no reason to make this post besides "it's a contribution".
QUOTE]On July 21 2016 01:18 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 21 2016 01:14 Lunaticman wrote:
There is a worrying amount of silent players


Hmm in a way yeah, but also people are busy in life, so I don't think too much about it atm. I'm not really sure what to make of inactivity yet. Generally I'm not a huge fan, since on a feels level it feels bad to lynch someone for being busy in real life. But on the other hand, I think mafia can have a difficult time joining in because they feel the pressure to always not be scum read for posting some random stuff.[/QUOTE]
literally a paragraph about inactive players out of nowhere

this is what I'm talking about.

also:

2.

I don't want to quote ec's WoT in post 299, but in 299 ec makes a big ol' case on me and then three minutes later makes a post about coffee. it shows me that he isn't concerning himself with actually pushing his reads in thread but just making a case and carrying on. you get what I mean? I get what I mean.

[br]
in a sentence, ec is speaking without asking to be listened to, which is imo a huge scumtell.
good times for all
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
July 20 2016 18:10 GMT
#366
My gut is telling me;

Town:
emperorchampion
Rels
Tumblewood
Koshi
Prplhz

There might be one mafia in there of course, it is to early to say,

A bit scummy:
Skynx
Gracaroni
Kruppe the eel
Palmar

The rest are blanks for me.

DCWasabi
sicklucker
nnn_thekushmountains
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
July 20 2016 18:15 GMT
#367
sicklucker

Who?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
July 20 2016 18:17 GMT
#368
Tumblewood I get what you are saying but there are several people who have made the samething, which is very scummy. It is almost like they know something we dont know.

By far the worst player so far in that aspect has been kroppe the eel in my opinion.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
July 20 2016 18:20 GMT
#369
and I don't get how ec can be scum three games in a row, then act the exact same way the next game and notbe scumread
good times for all
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
July 20 2016 18:21 GMT
#370
I'll seriously pick up this game tomorrow, don't go majority.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
July 20 2016 18:22 GMT
#371
@Lunaticman Why are you reading me town?
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Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
July 20 2016 18:22 GMT
#372
On July 21 2016 03:20 Tumblewood wrote:
and I don't get how ec can be scum three games in a row, then act the exact same way the next game and notbe scumread


That of course is a good point if it is true he should be lynched but to me he reads as a townie.

But tbh how can you be scum 3x times in a row?
Failure is not an option
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
July 20 2016 18:22 GMT
#373
On July 21 2016 03:21 Skynx wrote:
I'll seriously pick up this game tomorrow, don't go majority.

There was no instant majority on d1 I think.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
July 20 2016 18:23 GMT
#374
On July 21 2016 03:20 Tumblewood wrote:
and I don't get how ec can be scum three games in a row, then act the exact same way the next game and notbe scumread

Without ever rolling town he doesn't know how to be town its simple. Even he does exact opposite of what he did its forced and noticeable.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
July 20 2016 18:23 GMT
#375
On July 21 2016 03:22 prplhz wrote:
@Lunaticman Why are you reading me town?


It's just a feeling as I mentioned in my post.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
July 20 2016 18:25 GMT
#376
On July 21 2016 03:23 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 03:22 prplhz wrote:
@Lunaticman Why are you reading me town?


It's just a feeling as I mentioned in my post.

what did i do to make you feel that i am town
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Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
July 20 2016 18:27 GMT
#377
On July 21 2016 03:23 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 03:20 Tumblewood wrote:
and I don't get how ec can be scum three games in a row, then act the exact same way the next game and notbe scumread

Without ever rolling town he doesn't know how to be town its simple. Even he does exact opposite of what he did its forced and noticeable.


Based on this I'm putting down my vote for now on EC.

Even if he turns green you will be the next auto lynch. Or rather a blue should check you during the night to save a lynch target.

I will change the vote if someone comes up with a better argument for a d1 lynch.
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nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
July 20 2016 18:28 GMT
#378
quite a good case for d1 tumble, and i will townread you for it.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 20 2016 18:32 GMT
#379
Actually I was looking for a case, or something more rational anyhow

So lets talk about it:

On July 21 2016 03:09 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 02:36 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 21 2016 02:25 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 21 2016 02:19 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 21 2016 02:15 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 21 2016 02:11 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 21 2016 02:08 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 21 2016 02:06 emperorchampion wrote:
What do you think of my response of your question about Palmar's posting?

I don't see a response


On July 21 2016 01:07 emperorchampion wrote:
I was thinking to look more in depth, but I think the sentence that I posted sums it up pretty well actually.


I don't question your reasoning on Palmar, I question the fact that you have a read on a guy who played for all of 5 minutes before leaving.


What do you think my reasoning on kruppe vs my reasoning on Palmar?

afaik you put kruppe in the inactive null category. I can't imagine him being anywhere else. I'm surprised though that Palmar is a town lean and not in the inactive null category with him.


Kinda meh/kinda OK is not a town lean category.

I think that your reasons for scum reading me are exceptionally limited now. In terms of "posting with a purpose", it's arguably limited to the first few posts of this game, which is pretty lulz since that was my entry to this game.

To me, you either have some sort of idea of my "meta" in your head, and you went with it after reading a bit, or you are scum trying to push for a mislynch (a vote already?). The fact that you're still tunnelling the same point, and haven't given any other reasons is very dubious.

I can't trust you at all, and I reeally hope that you're not setting yourself up for an easy mislynch.

ec do you want a case? I'll give you a case.

why ec is scum

summary:
1. posting to blend in and not to push town forward
2. no clear direction in his posting
(these are different points I promise)

1.
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 00:04 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 20 2016 23:48 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 20 2016 23:45 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 20 2016 23:43 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 20 2016 23:37 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 20 2016 23:34 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 20 2016 23:28 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 20 2016 23:26 Tumblewood wrote:
actually no
luna's one post is not enough to balance out his previous posting. he's been posting but hardly playing all game. that definitely warrants a scumlean in my book. (this also applies to ec)
also if luna is scum I guess koshi isn't partners because why make a scum case and not go for the cred? shitty mafia move.


Actually I've been playing the game a lot, so what's your scum lean based off of?

when I say "posting but not playing" I mean you and luna are making a lot of posts but hardly working toward solving the game.


That makes sense but I leave the solving to more qualified players this game. Maybe you can enlighten us with some quality information?

...
solving the game is a team effort man. everyone needs to work towards finding scum, mostly because it's easier to find scum when they're pretending to make reads. no enlightenment from me, just reads.


Yes but without information it's impossible to do it. I'd like to know what you think about the others players so far.

players I have an opinion on:
you (scum lean but having doubts)
ec (scum lean)
koshi (association stuff with you)
I think I was screaming gracka but I don't remember why so it probably isn't important


Since you're willing to step up:
1) What association between koshi and lunaticman? You mean town lean on koshi?
2) How can you suddenly forget about grack when you scum lean me and lunatic for "activity"?
3) No read on skynx?
4) Is this contributing?

take this post. there's no conceivable purpose behind this because clearly nothing piques his interest (or else it would have focused on one point) but he asks a series of unrelated questions, the answers to which would not be helpful. I see no reason to make this post besides "it's a contribution".
[\quote]

Actually there was a point behind it, I wanted to know if you're thinking things through. You make weak reads on me an luna, but nothing on Skynx who, at the time I felt, was also making some conversational posts. Maybe rels had some conversation in there too. Felt like an odd exclusion to me. You gave no further reasoning on that point. The grackAttack point was also to check how much you had thought through this "posting with purpose" (and at this point you had not well defined what you meant about this) point, since I felt he hadn't really contributed much at that point, and feels much more "blend-iny" to me. The first point about the koshi/lunatic thing was a little bit of clarification on my end. And the fourth point was tounge-in-cheek . So purpose to all of them.

It also lead to this:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 00:19 Tumblewood wrote:
ok, regarding that second point:
definitely looks like trying to paint me as scum for something that wasn't really scummy. also weird because I don't think ec is scumreading me. damdred was probably telling the truth on ec.

Which is very defensive over nothing.

Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 01:18 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 21 2016 01:14 Lunaticman wrote:
There is a worrying amount of silent players


Hmm in a way yeah, but also people are busy in life, so I don't think too much about it atm. I'm not really sure what to make of inactivity yet. Generally I'm not a huge fan, since on a feels level it feels bad to lynch someone for being busy in real life. But on the other hand, I think mafia can have a difficult time joining in because they feel the pressure to always not be scum read for posting some random stuff.

literally a paragraph about inactive players out of nowhere


Actually I was, in a round about way, trying to suss out an opinion from him since I found it an odd post. But he never offered, guess I should have made it more questiony. Lesson learned here.


this is what I'm talking about.

also:

2.

I don't want to quote ec's WoT in post 299, but in 299 ec makes a big ol' case on me and then three minutes later makes a post about coffee. it shows me that he isn't concerning himself with actually pushing his reads in thread but just making a case and carrying on. you get what I mean? I get what I mean.

[br]
in a sentence, ec is speaking without asking to be listened to, which is imo a huge scumtell.


This is actually a decent point, and I think you're right in this regard, I should probably push my points a bit more. But I figure that I will just put my thoughts out there and someone will read them to make a decision on things.
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Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
July 20 2016 18:33 GMT
#380
On July 21 2016 03:25 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 03:23 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:22 prplhz wrote:
@Lunaticman Why are you reading me town?


It's just a feeling as I mentioned in my post.

what did i do to make you feel that i am town


The way you phrased your posts, I don't think you should read to much into it. I just felt like "sharing" my current reads.
If you really wanted me to I could analyze your posts but I dont know if it would yield anything at this point.
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