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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
July 12 2016 22:06 GMT
#344
LS I take more offense from rule breaking than from personal attacks, stay in the game if you can and talk it out with me, I don't want any apology. I just want a normal game of mafia which is kinda hard to play these days.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
July 12 2016 22:47 GMT
#362
Not sure if I should treat LS as modconfirmed town, but I will and otherwise the game is invalid.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
July 12 2016 23:06 GMT
#378
I avoided talking about other stuff than LS so I can focus on one thing at a time. I wanted but refrained to talk a bit about Skynx. He seems different to me than in his last game at first glance. Less active and the posts feel different as well. Nothing more concrete until I do another dive though. I was too tunneled to really read much besides LS Damdred, volvo and shape.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
July 12 2016 23:11 GMT
#381
Btw Kelsier I found it odd you had no read on emc but on Damdred for what he said on emc in case you missed it.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
July 12 2016 23:15 GMT
#383
On July 12 2016 15:04 DCWasabi wrote:
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On July 12 2016 09:06 prplhz wrote:
On July 12 2016 09:04 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 12 2016 09:02 prplhz wrote:
Who do I talk to to get someone lynched in this town?


Just gotta muster up a big enough mob to get majority


Yea but my problem is that I couldn't get someone lynched to save my life, I'd much rather someone else be the whip and do the brow beating. Usually I find a townie with a name but this game doesn't seem to have that.


Wait a sec here, so this time all of the townies are no-names...
How do you know who is a townie in this game?

Is this a slip?


This post shows he's reading and thinking between the lines so I'm willing to give DCW a D1 freepass.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
July 12 2016 23:18 GMT
#384
On July 13 2016 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
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On July 13 2016 08:11 Vivax wrote:
Btw Kelsier I found it odd you had no read on emc but on Damdred for what he said on emc in case you missed it.


No i read it. it just isn't that odd at all when you think about it .


Well I was leaning town on him initially cause he seemed so cheerful at the start. But when someone starts strong and then drops off abruply I lean scum on them.

What was your take on him back then?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
July 13 2016 14:08 GMT
#425
Im down for a snickers plynch if he doesnt shine. Didnt even realize he existed.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
July 13 2016 20:16 GMT
#438
Yea im parked on snickers as well. Him promising to be here before deadline is not enough, at least he should try to display some effort before everyone has to make decision.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
July 13 2016 22:48 GMT
#515
I'm just hoping he doesn't flip town. Can't really give a more informed opinion on this lynch, it is a plynch for low activity.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
July 13 2016 23:59 GMT
#536
Ill pretty much be suspicious by default of everyone who voted outside of snickers.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
July 14 2016 22:42 GMT
#567
Shooting snickers is the play here. If he's mafia we can already narrow down the suspects to the ones voting kush.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
July 15 2016 05:45 GMT
#588
On July 15 2016 14:24 DCWasabi wrote:
Looking at these along with shape, mostly agree... long post from my phone lol.

Wouldnt it make sense that mafia is only hiding in the Kush voters if Snickers is Mafia?

If Snickers is town, then I believe that they could join the bandwagon since lynching a town Snickers would not appear scummy due to his lack of activity. And the vote was pretty close with players like me possibly returning at the last second (and mafia know I'm town).

If Snickers is Mafia, then of course they don't want to Lynch him, unless he was being bussed, but I find that unlikely because how the fuck did that vote not pass if mafia is voting him too, a few unforseen life circumstances aside, lol + O's Razor.

Or is it deeper than this?
I don't want to get outplayed by some scum mastermind (cough, shape, cough).


They don't gain much by lynching him if he's town, scummy townies are what mafia wants to drag into the lategame. They will only attempt to lynch them when they are in danger, while they kill universal townreads and roles.

Overall no lynching almost always favours mafia. We're basically still stuck in D1 cause that lynch didn't happen.

I just have no idea still why kush got killed.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
July 15 2016 05:49 GMT
#589
Checked his posts which didn't take much time.

I think we're good if we kill snickers for a start, then I might work from the premise that he was killed for his reads.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
July 15 2016 19:45 GMT
#614
You're wrong people give a fuck about this game but since some guys made sure we couldn't lynch snickers we're stuck at groundhog day and there's nothing else to do besides trying to lynch him again.

If you want movement to come into the game then start making cases for snickers being town (if you want someone else lynched) cause everything else is uninteresting and won't change the fact he has to be lynched.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
July 15 2016 20:30 GMT
#618
On July 16 2016 05:16 Skynx wrote:
Lol I think my goverment is being overthrown btw. Turn on Fox/bbc or something.


Welp <_<

Don't become another krim pls
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
July 15 2016 20:35 GMT
#619
Nvm it's your own military apparently, scary stuff
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
July 16 2016 08:34 GMT
#662
Youve bought yourself time in my book snickers. It would be nice if you could keep up. You dont have to blurt out activity like that, if you just posted in small portions but more regularly it would be better.

I feel like voting Kruppe now.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
July 16 2016 09:00 GMT
#663
Or maybe Kelsier hmm..Happened often enough that I ping a mafia D1 and then let him slip.
If Kruppe wastes his vote again the shenannies will be definitely happening though.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
July 16 2016 18:30 GMT
#697
Kelsier what's your read on Vorono, can you read this post and tell me what you think about it? Apparently he packed everything that's interesting in spoilers.

On July 16 2016 23:19 vorono wrote:
i apologize for lurking and doing nothing, i didn't actually read most pages to be honest shapelog, so i'm going to get engaged with the game now. but it is hard with no avatars next to posts.

tl;dr list of my thoughts:

town: djwasabi, snickers, prplhz, damdred, shapelog
not sure: skynx, kruppe, kelsiersc
scum: empoleon, vivax

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prplhz push on snickers is done in a townie way even though i disagree.

On July 12 2016 13:29 emperorchampion wrote:
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On July 12 2016 10:38 Damdred wrote:
Hi again finally home with pizza in my stomach.

First thing, it seemed emperor your hype level was a bit high. What did you get out of your conversation with prp anything worthwhile?

@snickers, so we meet again. This time will we once again be at each other's throats or be cordial. As for my part I'm going to try to be cordial and work with you if I think you are town.

Ls ls idk why I make snap judgements on your alignment but I do. Do you want to take a guess at what it is?

Prp well meh, it just depends on what I feel like doing during the game whether I can push a Lynch or not. Put me in a game with Palmar Marv and a few others (people who listen) I can get it done effectively well. Put me in a gamr with someone like rayn I'll get yelled down every time.



Just happy to be playin the game also trying to get people into the thread lol

I think prp was a lot less neutral last game from what I observed in obs so I'll be interested in seeing how he play out this game. I think it makes sense in the context of him coming across really scummy in the first half of day 1 last game he wants to take a more back seat roll, so I'd be willing to give some town points for that.

Anyhow more tomorrow gotta head to bed meow

this is a scumtell, townreading someone for wifom because he knows that prp is town. it's like, the reason that he gave is actually null and could be used to support prp being either alignment, but he has confbias from knowing that prp is town.

dj wasabi townie for questioning it, damdred also townie #120 is a good point

On July 12 2016 15:00 Skynx wrote:
I'd wait til 2nd half of D1 to read emp.

idk if this is particularly out of place for this site but this reads like unnecessary posturing, why would you even need to say this it achieves nothing

why not read emp in the 1st half of d1 anyway

literally me rn

On July 12 2016 22:39 emperorchampion wrote:
I dunno this guy stinks, but lynch me for generating 3 pages of discussion and starting the game right?

this is terrible and weak-defensive, i was the only one voting him at this point

On July 12 2016 22:40 Shapelog wrote:
Hi Guys!

Mafioso Scum (fake?)Claim for now, till I catch up. Might change it up to a town or higher ranked mafia role (fake?)claim, depending on how the thread makes me feel.

shapelog seems like the kind of guy who would say things like this always to make it difficult to work out his intentions

vivax entrance is... meh

On July 12 2016 23:04 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
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On July 12 2016 22:57 Vivax wrote:
On July 12 2016 19:08 KelsierSC wrote:
Good Morning Everyone,

I've read through the game and have a few town reads to share.

Damdred - I liked his entry and the points he raised about emperor/conversation with DCwasabi seemed excellent. He Seems engaged in the game aswell so he is my top town.

DCWasabi - I've never played with this guy before but his initial problem with emperor's post was quite well though out and I also liked his conversation with damdred so i'd have him as town at the moment.

prplhz So this was strange at first I didn't like his posts about not wanting to lead the town and being happy to sheep anyone. But on further reflection I don't think it is likely that , as a mafia opening, you would come out and say stuff like that. Maybe he said something like it before or does it as either alignment but I don't remember it. I also liked the tone of his responses, sort of unapologetic for what he was saying.

For everyone else I have slight leans either way but I don't have anything that would be a helpful contribution


Why do you have such a strong opinion on Damdy based on what he wrote on emc, but no opinion on emc at all? Doesn't seem logical to me. If his points are excellent you should share his views?


Applause! Applause!

Friend Vivax, you have earned a —certainly one of kruppe's favorites!— chair at Kruppe's table. Such wisdom is unparalleled by anyone other than Kruppe himself.

lol wtf is this he asked some null af early game probing question that is so easily done as either alignment. completely unwarrranted read

On July 12 2016 23:07 Shapelog wrote:
And just gone again.

And he doesn't react to anyone (or LS more to the point) of calling the Emp post Null, despite being around. I would expect someone to at least be questionable about the person who is defending/white knighting someone that they consider scum. Not just ignore it. Then just coming back 2 hours later (if he left, I mean that post came 12 mins after Emp's), and just calling the guy scum again.

yeah i kind of didn't read shit lol.

i don't care if he calls the post null, tone reads are subjective and i'm ok with it.

On July 12 2016 23:18 Vivax wrote:
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On July 12 2016 22:59 LightningStrike wrote:
I don't think KSC knows that Damdred just rolled scum in the most recent game lol. Anyways Vivax once you get fully caught up can I have your thoughts on voro vs emperor?


This comment doesn't really seem relevant? Feels to me like you're avoiding giving a more concrete opinion on KSC even though I might have given you a good reason to.

this is bs doubtcasting, ur scum bro

sounds townie

and eh i can understand why he would dislike my earlier posting.

On July 13 2016 00:44 emperorchampion wrote:
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On July 13 2016 00:34 LightningStrike wrote:
Anyways I think solving Voro and Emperors alignment wil be key on figuring out the scum team atm.
@Emperor what you make of Voro pushing you atm?


Feels pretty bs/weak so I have a good feeling that he could be scum. Doesn't feel like reaction testing or anything like that so I don't know other reasons

scummy

On July 13 2016 01:15 Vivax wrote:
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On July 13 2016 00:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 13 2016 00:15 Shapelog wrote:
On July 13 2016 00:02 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 12 2016 23:54 Shapelog wrote:
On July 12 2016 23:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Ya content wise I didn't have really any problems with Emperor. Can't tell if anything seems forced or not from him. But I think it mostly NAI items atm.
On Voro: Ya he really tunneled on posts that are just NAI I think dunno if it makes him scum or not but it feels like what HF tried to do on me in H O L Y F * * * E Mafia early Day 1.

Well, I also have probs. outside of that.
On July 12 2016 15:45 vorono wrote:
On July 12 2016 15:37 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
On July 12 2016 15:34 vorono wrote:
can someone just explain what it would mean for a townie "to have a name", i'm not really sure what that means.


Ah! A name is a name. Some have many, others have none.

Say, friend (if a friend is what you are), what is your name?

vorono

also you didn't answer the question, i actually don't know what it is and i assume it's something specific to this site

Like, that comes off to me as if he is trying to paint sus. on Kruppe for not answering his question (which he did, but is irreverent to to point anyways)

He just seems to be following/pushing a scum agenda of Finding/pushing ML making others look sus.

Plus, it is so funny that him of all people is complaining about not answering questions.

Ya I see what you talking about but idk I want to se his response to us talking about him.
On July 12 2016 23:56 Shapelog wrote:
But advast,

even in the case that both are scum, we still need a third partner in crime.

Anyone outside of those two rubbing you wrong LS? No one really stood out out when I catched up expect kush, but kush always does.

No one is rubbing me wrong atm.

Tbf, you have talked about him (IIRC, or at least listed questions) about him before this. I would as well tho.

Is your bff read on Damdred still null or watching or whatever it was?
On July 13 2016 00:05 emperorchampion wrote:
I dunno why people keep jumping on this meta train. To re-iterate, I don't think I'm "meta"-ing my read of prpl, like I'm not saying oh in town games he does this and in scum games he does this. Just an observation that he has a different idea of how to approach the game due to past failures.

Well it is technically meta.

Meta is referring to how you know someone plays normally. Now, 1 game shouldn't tell you how he is normally playing (which is some of the prob. that people have stated) but, you do go into the next game with a bias of how they should play, which is basically meta.

In your case, you called his actions different, yet gave him townie points. This is fine, with evidence or reasoning like yours if you prove it, but you still should expect people to question you about it.

Ik what your doing Emp, I did it too. It is why I am not pushing it more, because, I can/have see people like you do it as either alignment.

It not exactly outside of Damdred's scum wheel box yet I do need a little bit more time with him.
On July 13 2016 00:16 Damdred wrote:
Emperor on the surface it is a half meta read from your experience.

But let's leave that for now, can you tell me any other reads or anything at this point? Maybe ls shape?

@LS while I appreciate a healthy amount of fear for my scum game I'm not so sure there is a point in trying to deter everyone from town reading me when I have a decent amount of content for that part of the game. What is your angle in this? What read do you have hidden about me that you haven't shared?

@Shape hi shape

I don't think anything you done is outside of your mafia wheel house atm I do need a little bit of time to figure you out. The KSC read on you were stuff you done last game hence my comment about KSC haven't read your last game.


Wut. The KSC read was about Damdys convo with emc. I think this is mafia LS, too many nervous posts + he's making stuff up here imo.

this post sounds wrong... the "wut" doesn't sound like a scumread, kind of

On July 13 2016 01:24 emperorchampion wrote:
@ Vivax: what do you make of this LS post where he answers his own question?

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On July 12 2016 23:24 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 12 2016 23:18 Vivax wrote:
On July 12 2016 22:59 LightningStrike wrote:
I don't think KSC knows that Damdred just rolled scum in the most recent game lol. Anyways Vivax once you get fully caught up can I have your thoughts on voro vs emperor?


This comment doesn't really seem relevant? Feels to me like you're avoiding giving a more concrete opinion on KSC even though I might have given you a good reason to.

Whether KSC knows about Damdred rolling scumin the last game doesn't really have much to do with my point. Even if he were to be more careful about reading him as town his opinion that the points are good is there and should influence his read on emc I think.

I gave my opinion on KSC already and called him null in this post:
On July 12 2016 22:55 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up now. Kush, KSC, and Snickers are currently null. Kush for saying I here but wanting to talk because he's tired. KSC had only only posted a list post for content wise. Snickers only post was asking if Kush's identity. Dunno how to feel about voro because I seeing it similar to Day 1 of another game with me and Holyflare but holyflare is a et so (shrugs).
@Voro Do you got any other reads you would like to share?

Ya if he knew Damdred just rolled scum in the latest game here I think he would of be more careful about Damdred and might need to question emperor's alignment a bit more.


Maybe it's nothing but it feels weird to me

why would you ask this vivax is already scumreading lightning strike, it makes me think more they could be scum together

shapelog trolling i initially scumread the post in isolation but eh, the rest of his play is pretty townie and i think he just does this kind of thing as either alignment.

On July 13 2016 01:40 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Kruppe ponders; what happened to the infinite wisdom displayed by true friend Vivax, who is currently —most comfortably— seated at the largest and most illuminated table in the tavern?

Ah, but mayhaps Kruppe already knows. Bard Vivax's song is sonorous and devout, but a song is a poem is a tale. This is merely the beginning of the tale sung by friend Vivax; twists and turns, friends and jubilations, chairs and pastries! What wonders await us, dear friends of Kruppe? Kruppe admits to utter ignorance, solemnly sworn!

"what happened to vivax i expect more content"? kinda meh post after the previous one, he's only focusing on vivax for some reason

On July 13 2016 02:04 emperorchampion wrote:
I think it makes sense to vote voronoi atm, so that's what Im going to do.

##vote vorono

what a stupid and unnecessary qualification for a vote, basically raw opportunism and he has never stated a scumread on me. only in weak / vague terms at least

On July 13 2016 03:03 Vivax wrote:
LS how did you know I was town in the posts after you asked me if my vote on you was a scumclaim?

On July 13 2016 03:13 Vivax wrote:
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On July 13 2016 03:09 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 13 2016 03:03 Vivax wrote:
LS how did you know I was town in the posts after you asked me if my vote on you was a scumclaim?

I didn't call you town I just said I was going to ignore you.


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On July 13 2016 01:35 LightningStrike wrote:
BTW I am mostly relaxed because Vivax is probably one of the worst players in terms of keeping the same reads over a period of time as he just changes his read every 5 mins.


And you think this is a description of my scum play or my town play?

Your taunts are clearly showing that you were thinking of me as town.

oh god, this is such a fucking terrible "gotcha", fucking awful. this guy is scum i was right

maybe nobody else sees how disgusting this is but it's just so bad. like he set up lightning swift to fall into the trap rather than being transparent about it. it's all for show.

trivial

On July 13 2016 04:23 Vivax wrote:
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On July 13 2016 04:10 LightningStrike wrote:
Fuck you. Fuck you. Oh and fuck you. There is always 1 scum between Boro and emperor that why I said what I said.


Maybe you're right but if you're right then only cause you're mafia with one of them. Otherwise nobody can say that for sure. They didn't both claim the same role or anything like that.

Spamming insults doesn't make you look more town by the way. In Holyflare mafia you didn't do that when under suspicion.

saying "it doesn't make you look more town" shows a disconnect between vivax's opinions and the stances he posts in thread

it is basically acknowledging that lightning sprite obvtowned himself by being insulting (and he did), and shoving it aside.

On July 13 2016 04:50 Damdred wrote:
Idk what the point of this is ls if you are town. Vivax accusations are founded on things that actually happened.

If you disagree explain why he's wrong, you throwing a temper tantrum just kinda reminds me of millionaire at this point. No real reason for rage or the sudden turn in attitude from nobody will ever lynch you to you being an easy ml?

even though it's wrong, in comparison this is actual reasoning for why lightning s could be scum, it's distinct from vivax's post because:
vivax: "oh this doesn't clear you as town btw sorry i can still mislynch you"
damdred: "this is scummy"

(missed a few pages because i closed browser without saving into text file)

i take back everything i said about shapelog, my reasoning was bad and i was reading those posts out of context. i think shapelog is town

On July 13 2016 07:47 Vivax wrote:
Not sure if I should treat LS as modconfirmed town, but I will and otherwise the game is invalid.

i get why he says this but the transition is rather sudden and he seems otherwise unfazed which is scummy after tunneling him so hard

On July 14 2016 07:13 KelsierSC wrote:
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On July 14 2016 07:11 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
So I'm either scum trying to mind game you by acting too scummy to be scum or I'm town and I don't give a fuck how I look.

What do you think lesser?


don't care I have just hated everything you've posted

vaguely townie

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On July 15 2016 15:04 Skynx wrote:
Either way, at least one of KSC/Snickers/emp is mafia for sure and I just don't see emperor ever being town here:
Lets go by the facts to start
On July 14 2016 22:51 emperorchampion wrote:
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On July 14 2016 14:24 Skynx wrote:
On July 14 2016 05:35 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 14 2016 05:31 Skynx wrote:
Na man I gotta go sleep, I have to wake up in about 6.5 hours
It's gotta be snickers at this point. Don't let this be a no-lynch emp I have faith in you. Oh and if he comes in and pulls out a sicklucker I might just flip tables tomorrow.


HA, yeah... take 'er easy!

You disappoint me.


I know, I'm sorry

I was going to switch near the end, but I honestly lost track of time

Vote switch happened approx 30 mins to deadline (8:00 being deadline in the timestamp here)
On July 14 2016 07:32 emperorchampion wrote:
##unvote
##vote nnn_thekushmountains

However, he was most certainly here on the deadline. He could, if he wanted switched back to Snickers.
On July 14 2016 08:01 emperorchampion wrote:
Damdy what do you think about kush's scum lean on you?


But anyway, why did he switched votes still? He knows his priorities:
On July 14 2016 06:54 emperorchampion wrote:
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On July 14 2016 06:43 prplhz wrote:
@emperorchampion How do you feel about lynching this Snickers person?


Personally I think that kush would be a better lynch since I didn't like his posts and I've found that snickers is straight up null so far. Like I would expect more from kush even from his low effort games.

kush > snickers > vorono >> no-lynch are my thoughts atm

I guess you meta'd snickers saying that he's active tho?

but yet
On July 14 2016 07:46 emperorchampion wrote:
I don't see anyone :o


All 5 votes on snickers were locked btw, he's never convincing them to switch. So he needs to get absolutely everyone else to switch which very hard at best as Shape/vorono/Kruppe have been away for a while and is anyway impossible since DCW was confirmed not to be there.

He looks like best lynch to me before we get key information on KSC. Snickers flipping either alignment doesn't change much considering other two, where as if one of them is mafia, Snickers is confirmed mafia. If they're not, we're wasting a lynch on Snickers.

i don't think it's as clear-cut as you think it looks

On July 16 2016 00:36 emperorchampion wrote:
So Skynx is town, there's no way mafia makes that post. But you are very wrong about me.

this is comparable to the post he made earlier reading prplhz as town for pure wifom, and also a scumtell

On July 16 2016 03:31 emperorchampion wrote:
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On July 16 2016 03:05 Skynx wrote:
On July 16 2016 02:53 prplhz wrote:
On July 16 2016 00:52 emperorchampion wrote:
I don't have a lot of time to play atm since my girlfriends dad is coming to visit this weekend, so there's that

this is a really nice post now please vote for Snickers

Why?


For info, no?

this is objectively the scummiest post in the thread!

On July 16 2016 07:35 Snickers wrote:
Theres no way there is not a fucking scum on me right now. These votes just pile on when

1. there isnt even a fucking case on me.

2. There has only been shitty reasons for voting me. You dont fucking policy lynch someone for inactivity day one. You dont fucking continue to go full tunnel into day two like prp is.

I have a town circle right now of me vivax, slam and dc.

That leaves ec,prp and ksc. I am down to lynch anyone of them today. I am also going to relook at the votes day one that piled on so easily.

ec was scummy day one before the deadline. So even if that was a mistake during the deadline that sucks for him.

IIRC prp has tunneled me and constantly shit up the thread.

ksc I have no clue about.

I also think skynx is scum I will analyze it more and give it a full post


townie post, snickers is town


anyway i ran out of words let's lynch empoleon? ppl are hard townreading vivax which is sad but otherwise i would lynch him

Vivax
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July 17 2016 16:10 GMT
#774
Had a poker night yesterday, sorry folks.

I see I still have an unanswered question in my last post. I believe Kels and voro are the last mafia atm. The felt lack of reads between them was the origin of that question.

Initially I was pondering the idea if D1 vote wasters were mafia but since Kruppe and Shape hammered snickers basically I'll assume that they weren't (except vorono so they don't have the entire team on kush).
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