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DCWasabi
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I did read the guide already. I will check out the other links as well! | ||
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On July 05 2016 12:15 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: I think the ideal lynch candidate should meet these two criteria: 1. in the bottom five players in terms of post count and word count. 2. unlikely to be replaced or modkilled due to inactivity/not voting. 1 Skynx 5 DCWasabi 8 Race Bannon 9 VayneAuthority 13 Vivax These guys are the top candidates right now. Guys, as a newbie I read "A General Guide to Mafia" prior to joining this game. I find kush's post interesting... I am going to quote the amazing guide, here: "In order to blend in with the town, mafia need to appear to be interested in the town agenda. Thus, they may often feign usefulness while contributing nothing of value to the discussion. This allows the mafia to appear pro-town without compromising the mafia agenda. Methods that mafia employ to do this include: rephrasing old arguments, posting random lists of people (town or scum), or summarizing recent events." I would like to hear the opinions of some of our more veteran players here; does this post fit the description of a random list? I don't see how activity is relevant when the game literally just started. It is the 4th of July here in the states and I just got home to see that the game is going. | ||
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Catching up on the thread now. Expect reads/thought imminently. | ||
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I am reading prplhz as scum. Kush says that prplhz doesn't have low activity this game, but if you look at his posts, they aren't too useful. Furthermore, the following post is suspicious: "I'm having a hard time convincing myself that Koshi is serious, but it seems like he is? I don't know I think sometimes there is a rule that we don't discuss modkills/bans/whatever and I think that's a good idea because it doesn't do anything for us. I mean, lets not discuss if he should be modkilled or if Palmar went too far when he quoted a post and wrote "hahahahaha" (forgot how many "ha"s). Half the Sky and LightningStrike can handle that. Seems townie that he gets so mad tho?" If you don't want to discuss modkills and bans and want to leave the hosting to the hosts, then why are you bringing this up? Especially after the topic was several pages back and pretty much dropped already... This kind of post could be intended to induce the town into more spamming/fighting/shit-talking and less actual mafia-hunting. Seems unnecessarily distracting. Earlier he was kind of town-reading Koshi, but in a way that makes your head asplode. "Why would someone (KOoshi), as mafia, think it's a good idea to be nicer than he usually is? As mafia, you usually try to act like you usually do, and Koshi usually doesn't try to be nice (and he knows this)?" In fact, almost all of his posts are related to Koshi, even though I haven't seen much in the way of people suggesting that Koshi is scum. Is he actually just obsessed with Koshi for some reason, or perhaps trying to associate himself with a strong town player that most people are town-reading (who he KNOWS is town)? | ||
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On July 06 2016 18:32 Race Bannon wrote: Who do you think are unlikely to be scum together? Guys, activity is more than just number of posts and number of words right? It also matters if your posts actually mean something. On to the question from RB... prplhz and Koshi are unlikely to be scum together I am town-reading Damdred, Vivax, Skynx, Shapelog, Palmar?(beyond my reading skills lol). Also, I suspect that Koshi is town even though he wants to lynch me for low activity, he is using #logic. prplhz, RaceBannon, kush seem most scummy to me Especially prplhz/kush mafia combo. Seems like they want to lynch me and sway the vote without contributing much. Since I know that I am town, the fact that they both want to lynch me obviously makes me suspicious. Hopefully it is not just because I have drawn attention to both of them at points, if they think that my logic is bad, then they should attack my logic and not attack me. | ||
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On July 07 2016 02:21 Skynx wrote: Man this is so weak, I mean he voted RB before you posted this but you say he's obsessed with Koshi? In fact if you pointed that out your push would kinda make sense but how can you miss that? I did notice that, but I feel like the fact that he voted RB doesn't mean he is or isn't mafia. If he is Mafia, then it is a smart play to cover up what is going on since there was little chance of RB being lynched as he wasn't being pushed hard. If he is town, then I also find RB suspicious so that would make sense also. | ||
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On July 07 2016 02:20 Koshi wrote: Why are you not commenting on sicklucker? He has been talked about maybe the most by everybody. I did not comment on sicklucker (or the others that I did not mention) because I don't have a strong feeling either way for him. Do you really expect me to have a solid read on everyone? Most participants haven't given nearly as many reads. I am not going to make a random guess on him... don't see how that would really help the town. | ||
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On July 07 2016 02:43 Skynx wrote: Then question his RB vote please like wtf? Why not push it that way if you want to lynch him? If you end up being town, (which I think you are), then I will take this as constructive criticism for the next game I play. | ||
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Please tell me why it is weak. | ||
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On July 07 2016 03:11 Skynx wrote: Reads so far: Heineken Town: Shape, Koshi, Palmar, Damdred Stella Artosis Town: Vivax, VE, kush Null: VA, DCW Orange Juice Maf: SL, haze, RB Tomato Soup Maf: How am I null if you have almost the exact same reads as me? Do you think that I am playing a hella deep game or something, lol? | ||
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I am not convinced that RB is mafia anymore. Vivax- I will go back and try to see what I didn't reply to, I think I replied to everything eventually? | ||
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"Have you ever called anyone mafia before? Cause it seems here like you felt like you found an argument and then weren't confident enough to push it on kush, but I understand you're new, I just don't know how much." No, I have never played forum Mafia before. And, I did that post not because I strongly suspected Kush at the time (though I do think so now), but rather to gauge people's reactions and see who would be helpful. At that time there was no meaningful discussion going. | ||
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On July 07 2016 04:26 Shapelog wrote: And Prp never replied to my reasons to scum read him. You know how fucking annoying that i... Oh wait you do. I didn't realize that he actually wanted an answer to that question, it seemed more like he was insulting my play at the time, so I ignored it, lol. | ||
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On July 07 2016 04:27 Vivax wrote: You did NOT believe that kush's post would help discerning his alignment? You only posted it to gauge reactions? A lot of reactions were gauged even without your post, but they seem to be unimportant to you. VE (and I think Palmar) gave him a townread, Koshi called it null, I criticized it without guessing the alignment. Not the post you actually quote but the followup. Anyway, you completely dropped your own post afterwards when you voted prpl. Did you actually gain info from that post and if yes, what? No I didn't end up getting anything concrete from it, just some feelings. Game is hard. I need to go now. I am happy with my contribution/vote for this deadline. Cya later. | ||
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On July 08 2016 05:00 Damdred wrote: Got distracted VE and Palmar are in the same boat right now. Both just aren't playing now. Both could be scum sliding by but I'm not sure I had a town read on both early in the game for tone reasons and I hope it's correct and scums just in the next group of people. Kush is idk just a let down right now, he didn't seem to care about the Lynch until it was happening and then didn't seem to care to much besides consolidating on va. Kind of slipping to the bottom of null with Ve and Palmar. All in all this is going to be the three people the game rests on figuring out if there are two scum in it or not. Right now I think there is one and by gut it's Kush by the way he is playing currently. Reminds me a lot of his scum game. The last person is DC, I have him as scum currently. His vote and leaving the thread with no follow up and avoiding a pointed question. His vote was useless I believe and doesn't really have much going on for him currently. Just side line and hiding out. Just for a short synopsis: There is a group of 4 people that I think two s um are in as I'm pretty convinced that RB is scum here. Right now I think it's Kush and DC with RB. And that's where I'm at. Damdred, I left the thread because I couldn't be on at the deadline. It was 3pm local time on a weekday. If playing these games requires me to be on around every deadline to be productive and not be labeled scum no matter what, then this may be my first and last game. I will put some thought into recent developments and post more. | ||
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On July 07 2016 06:40 Shapelog wrote: I mean, fucking look at it, 6 votes in the last 40 mins. Less then a vote per 10 mins. Fuck it, Even though I was indiffer to a SL lynch, the vote swing of 6 votes, when two wagons (1 at 5, another at 3) were up there, and given the quickness of it, makes me think this is most likely a ML. Not only that, but most likely one of those two wagons (Prp and VA) are scum. + following with same logic, one of vivax/Palmar/Koshi/Damdred has to be scum as well. But we get to that later. Between the two, Prp had more votes and was in danger, while Va was 2 votes behind, but wasn't here. Both have survival vote (basically) or hammer him further. So shapelog, let me get this straight. You thought one of Prp and VA was scum. VA trolled and got lynched, and flipped town, so you now suspect prp... that all makes sense. So your mafia reads are now Prp, Kush, and RB as per the following post... + Show Spoiler + On July 08 2016 05:39 Shapelog wrote: Read list in case I die. And if I die, If you ever get mad this game, or want to punch someone, don't. and just let the Jazz take your soul. Now, to the reads. Town: SL: Unless CC happens, Will remain here for obv reasoning, and for the fact I had to argue for the last Tracker that claimed that this was the optimal play to the entire thread. *rolls eyes* Habo y u so scummy. Koshi: I might reenvulate later, but he has done enough Koshi things to get off my radar. This read prob. makes no sense what so ever if you are have no clue about Koshi's meta. To which I say, Special tactics. Town leans: Dammy: IF Sl flips Tracker, then he will be higher (as he could of just sat on SL wagon). That read list he posted was pretty good IMO. I was kinad worried, because I couldn't remember anything he did this game what so ever, and thought he wasn't sticking out or anything. A dive later, fixed my issues. I also kinda got the same reads as he did (2nd to last person to read on the this list btw.) which is good. Only thing I noticed, was that the RB read went from no lynch to Top scum basically. Reads do change though, but would like to hear his voice behind it. Skynx: I was wrong on what I thought was a slip. The rest of Sky's filter is pretty good (I.E. he is actually out preforming others I feel) in terms of content creation. I have him as Town lean for now, since I still have some sus. towards him, but I think it is just me being my Tinfoil self. Null (no order): Vivax: No, I do not consider him townie. It isn't because there isn't townie things in his filter sure, or anything doing logic. My gut just is stopping me for some reasoning to put him higher. I normally don't listen to it, but it won't hurt to in this case. Vivax, meta wise, will prove himself anyways at a later date anyways Palmar:Barely can tell what his thoughts are on the game is. The excuse will restrict his time too. Ultimately, nothing there to really make me lean a certain way for him at all. If he is dead weight like at D3 or something, and you have a lynch to spare, do it. Otherwise, if he becomes useful, actually consider what he says. DCWasbi: A lot of what he is talking about base around a Kush/prp Combo. Bothers me slightly too, considering this part: Which when asked what he got from it, he responded with: Inspector finch? Have u caught V yet? Going to ask him wtf those feelings are. Just getting something Strongly from this guy seems difficult. Overall, he is quite boring besides that and the reaction test thing and a bit clunky. I could/would Pressure him to get more info out of him at a later date. Leaving him as null, since i want to gather more info on him, and I am tired of putting bad reactions tests as a scum reasoning. + Show Spoiler + Hmm. actually, thinking about it, should he sus. VE or SL for their Town read on kush? Both, if you consider Kush as hard scum had quickly TR and stuck with that TR on kush. It hard to tell due to him reaction testing though. VE(would lynch rn): Tempting to put him lower, but I really have no reason other then a few activity issues. From what he posted, I cannot gather a solid read on him. I kinda find it weird, that he makes these types of posts: *shudders* Feel like he is trying to ask us out. But it just feels weird that he keeps making these types of posts, and with the last one, doesn't do anything. Can easily be scum, I just don't have enough reasoning at this point to have a case or anything strong enough to warrant a lean. Scum leans: Kush: Maybe should be in the Null Range, but he needs to be more useful aka I expect a bit more out of him. His filter overall is quite lacking in any content, and looking back, he stop pushing his wanted lynch (wasbi) really when he came back near EOD. However, VA was someone he sus. So nothing major really in terms of disconnect in reads. And seeing his lynch not being up there could explain it maybe? Idk, kinda feel like he would try to push it a bit even with A VA lynch. So for Low Content/that, I put him here. Would love to here him explain this new watch list. It is so New! Prp:You should know by now why he is here (or at least on my radar). He is at lean/scumville for me. Looking back, the reasoning I had to think Prp could be town for votes was a bit weak looking back IMO. And while he can redeem himself, Like anyone on this list, he needs to do more. That last post I quoted kinda made me think he could be town as well. But honestly, there is more point to him being scum right now then anything else. + Show Spoiler + Also prophetically, even though I didn't do this list based off assoctiveness, Prp could be more town if RB flips scum. Scum Redbannon:I really do not like him. 1st thing first, is this whole Idea I was white knighting him. I could maybe expect him to think that, due to how hard I went after Prp. But it doesn't add up. In fact, it honestly feels to me like a buddy attempt (which I will admit, I might be biased) And this is a part of it I like the most. Ok, so he is now sus. of me for this right? Ok fine and cool. I don't mind, I know the answer and stuff. But lets follow his posts here for a second. He makes a post after this, about getting me and vivax confused right? fine again. Nothing wrong what so ever. Ummm? Odd looking back, since he was sus. of me, but maybe he cha... Welp. And even this post, it seems weird. He seems to be questioning my play, yet, allowing me to ask for if I want him to sheep me? It doesn't add up. And then when I answer all his questions. His reaction is this. It makes me wonder if he was mafia, and seeing if I would screw up at all to push me. But that doesn't make sense because of a asking to sheep basically. Overall, it doesn't make sense. Outside of that, these are pretty damming too. Never does anything with this at all. So doesn't believe it I suppose. PRP WAS SCUM READ BY YOU, AND YOU ARE SUPPORT HIS LYNCH! WHY ARE YOU NOW SUPPORTING PRP'S TARGET?? I cannot begin to explain why this makes no sense what so ever on so many grounds. The person, who was sus. of Prp, and wanted to lynch him, now is pushing the lynch the that person wants? There is bond to be more, But I seen enough for me. Please (i am looking honestly at SL, Palmar, a bit of koshi.) Do not ruin the atmosphere. Yes, could people be wrong, yes. Could you be right, yes. Are people you, no. Watch the jazz video, or just take a break if mad. Ik I preached this way too much this game, but I honestly feel like we can win this game (and break my losing steak as town) as long as we don't get are heads stuck in our arse. I be here till Flip, Ask questions as always. I will be writing a guide though or playing games so it might be a while before I respond. Yet you assign me a null read and not a town read when literally the only three players which I have publicly suspected as Mafia all game are the same three, Prp, kush, and RB (admittedly I wavered on RB later). See this post from me, for example: On July 07 2016 01:47 DCWasabi wrote: Guys, activity is more than just number of posts and number of words right? It also matters if your posts actually mean something. On to the question from RB... prplhz and Koshi are unlikely to be scum together I am town-reading Damdred, Vivax, Skynx, Shapelog, Palmar?(beyond my reading skills lol). Also, I suspect that Koshi is town even though he wants to lynch me for low activity, he is using #logic. prplhz, RaceBannon, kush seem most scummy to me Especially prplhz/kush mafia combo. Seems like they want to lynch me and sway the vote without contributing much. Since I know that I am town, the fact that they both want to lynch me obviously makes me suspicious. Hopefully it is not just because I have drawn attention to both of them at points, if they think that my logic is bad, then they should attack my logic and not attack me. Furthermore, kush (who you suspect) has literally been calling me scum the whole game, see the following posts: On July 05 2016 12:15 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: I think the ideal lynch candidate should meet these two criteria: 1. in the bottom five players in terms of post count and word count. 2. unlikely to be replaced or modkilled due to inactivity/not voting. 1 Skynx 5 DCWasabi 8 Race Bannon 9 VayneAuthority 13 Vivax These guys are the top candidates right now. On July 06 2016 09:12 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: IRL I'm about to watch America's Got Talent. Such a horrible show but girlfriend makes me watch it. More broadly, I've recently made a career transition from chemical engineer to software engineer. Chemical engineering was really boring. I've been pretty busy doing stuff out of state for a while for my new job. Last week I reached 170 lbs and decided I needed to go on a diet to get back to 150. Another step in my slow and inefficient path to getting ripped. Once a week weed smoking as been going pretty well so far. It helps in keeping tolerance low and staying productive. You? Oh yeah the game. I don't have smart things to say right now. So I'll summarize the game indecisively. There's the inevitable Koshi drama, which I haven't tried to read much into. There's the whole "townread kush or not" debate. I can see reasons for scum being on either side of that. My scumlist is nothing too exciting. Lynchbait and some under-performing regulars. Also, I'm not going to try hard to not be fooled by try hard scum at this stage. Scumlist: 1 Skynx 3 sicklucker 5 DCWasabi 8 Race Bannon 9 VayneAuthority 13 Vivax On July 06 2016 20:15 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: how about dcwasabi? On July 06 2016 20:44 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: @vivax, you are referring to palmar's push on koshi and another person im forgetting? Overconfident, exaggerated, early game reads are standard Palmar. The SL push is understandable at least, even if you disagree with it. You don't like DC for a lynch because he's "new." My problem with that is I don't think new people necessarily get easier to read as the game progresses. On July 07 2016 08:40 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: WATCHLIST (4 Shapelog) 5 DCWasabi 7 VisceraEyes 8 Race Bannon 10 Damdred 13 Vivax On July 08 2016 06:10 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: How much towncred does taking shapelog and rb off my scumlist buy me? I'm trying to buddy you guys and buddy's aren't supposed to scumread each other. 5 DCWasabi 7 VisceraEyes 8 Race Bannon 10 Damdred 13 Vivax On July 08 2016 07:07 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: scumteam is now ve damdred dc How is this consistent? | ||
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Sorry if I am self-centered here, but I have town-pride. Do you guys still want me to answer that question that I "dodged" about one of my very first posts in the game, or should we move on? I will do whatever is deemed more productive by those who I believe are upstanding citizens of this fine town. | ||
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On July 08 2016 15:13 sicklucker wrote: who are we killing today? Out of the following 3, who is the best lynch, Prp, Kush, or you? | ||
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On July 08 2016 15:11 sicklucker wrote: hi. kinda frusterated at this game and kinda bizzy this weekend dont expect much Hmm... rather unfortunate. Don't you need to produce some reads for us to justify your existence now? | ||
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On July 09 2016 00:07 Koshi wrote: or DCWasabi I don't even want to read his posts because they are so badly formatted. Now I am out for the rest of the weekend. Weren't my recent posts better formatted? ##Vote: nnn_thekushmountains | ||
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On July 08 2016 23:55 Koshi wrote: VE/RB/Kush Kush is almost lock mafia for me. TMI and really bad lists. I remember him making lists as mafia. Long time ago though. But there is no fire in him at all. VE is discussed. I literally can only say bad things about him that would hurt his feelings if he is town and actually trying to solve this game so w.e. RB. Started with superstrong reads but that was probably TMI mixed with overcompensating trying to pretend he was helping town. Fell down flat to the floor with horrific replies to Shape and others. Came back strong right before EoD. Fell down flat to the floor after EoD. Didn't get up yet. 1 mafia is hiding. I don't know who. I support this message. | ||
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But, if those three are mafia, then how do you explain this recent post where VE attacks kush, is he just trying to confuse us? On July 08 2016 17:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Ugh, I think Kush is easily a lynch candidate for today. The entirety of his D1 was based on activity, which is fine-ish, except he didn't end that way. He ended up pushing Vayne as "the most viable lynch" at the time, which doesn't make any sense because I was the only person on Vayne at the time. There had to be other people that were more "viable" according to Kush's standards for the D1 lynch, but he landed on Vayne? I liked his first post that talked about lynch-viability for D1, but he took that to an extreme, using it as an excuse to not scumhunt at all, and ended up lynching a townie. And not because he thought he was mafia (though he made sure to mention that there was the possiblity that he was mafia) but because he thought he was a "better lynch". No other reason given. I can EASILY see Kush as mafia this game, and to be honest it's going to be hard to objectively look at the rest of the people on my list without this read in mind. So, not sure if VE and Kush are mafia together, unless they were planning to bus Kush? Why did you not mention this post? I believe that Kush is a better target than VE or RB, but I could get behind lynching any of the 3 that were mentioned by Koshi, based on that analysis of recent events. I will make an effort to be on at the deadline next to help the town, even if it means stepping into the the bathroom at work for 10 minutes to change my vote on the phone (if needed), lol. OK, I will be back in ~12-13 hours. | ||
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Turns out I am not good at reading people yet though. I guess that should not surprise me since it was my first game ever. Prp/Kush, please forgive me, lol. Any tips? | ||
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