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Gb most people who played assassination mafia with you would be weary of that. I'm just honest here.
I trust you with a gun always though, you are a good night vig.
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On June 29 2016 06:20 Jean Valjean wrote:
Hey guys, I'm partially unavailable today, and probably tomorrow too. I am sorry for that, I should have more time to contribute on thursday.
I will try to make sense of what is going on in a little while, also I'm not particularly bothered about what we kill today.
But posts like this are really what bothers me. Like really badly, so many things bother me.
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I've put several decent arguments into the thread why I am not scum. Sure they do have wifom about them which makes them a somewhat weaker because I'm self aware of my meta.
Like don't get me wrong I like both you and sk regardless if I get lynched both of you have the makings of good players that just need to improve some peripheral things. That's besides the point though.
Honestly btw we can't wait till lylo or mylo to look into Jean or else he automatically wins if he is scum in lylo which is what I'm paranoid about. His post just sent shivers up my spine. Which stinks I can't be on the combo but maybe the way moosey gave himself up to Jean is indicative.
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Also I don't think I'm battering up art or chez tbh, we are just generally jokey towards one another and art and I have a special place in each other's hearts. Where we occasionally Murder each other
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On June 29 2016 06:46 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2016 06:42 Damdred wrote:
I've put several decent arguments into the thread why I am not scum. Sure they do have wifom about them which makes them a somewhat weaker because I'm self aware of my meta.
Like don't get me wrong I like both you and sk regardless if I get lynched both of you have the makings of good players that just need to improve some peripheral things. That's besides the point though.
Honestly btw we can't wait till lylo or mylo to look into Jean or else he automatically wins if he is scum in lylo which is what I'm paranoid about. His post just sent shivers up my spine. Which stinks I can't be on the combo but maybe the way moosey gave himself up to Jean is indicative. I meant the case on who else you have scum leans on!
Sadly I haven't built a case and I'll try to get it done by tommorow but I kind of think it's between Jean and you.
Maybe tumble in a distant third but I doubt that one.
And the way you are interacting with me does get you something.
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Like I kinda know idol catch crap for saying Jean but what's it matter when I'm going to die any way.
The way he was kinda bullied into people's town reads how moosey basically killed himself and how Jean has kinda fallen off so hard, plus his read switch on gb+super feels off. And the amount of cred he's riding for a suiciding moose.
Just makes me weirded out and think maybe scum
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On June 29 2016 07:17 Tictock wrote:Ok, so assuming for a moment that you are town Damdred. I am pretty sure Jealous is not the last scum, you even gave a decent reason to TR him yourself (something about how he was posting reads as EoD was resolving & Moosy was getting lynched). Jean is an interesting suggestion as with the exception of Chez I think he's contributed the least today and even though I was tunneled on you I noticed his read on me flipped pretty dramatically when Super claimed after multiple times arguing about having a townlean on me. Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 07:05 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 28 2016 06:54 Jealous wrote:On June 28 2016 06:25 GlowingBear wrote:
Confirmed town, impossible to be killed at night.
This is perfect So let me get this clear on paper: you claim Vigi? yes he's claiming vigilante, and superbia is claiming tracker.
Both are believable claims, mostly because ticktock is the scummiest player in the thread and it makes no sense for mafia to fakeclaim right now.I think we just won. . and this is def pushing for mafia's best case from that Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 08:43 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 28 2016 08:41 Tictock wrote:On June 28 2016 06:06 Superbia wrote:TT why'd you visit QT bro?  Either you just fucked up SUPER bad (see what i did there?) as scum... Or this is the worst fakeclaim on this site since December. So you're contesting the claim? Fine. I assume you're also ok with lynching you then Superbia, because either way it's an auto win. The only thing that bugs me in this tinfoil Epic Bus scenario is that Emp threw his vote away along with mine on Tumble. If scum is gunna bus why not get the whole team on board? On the other hand he is in the perfect spot for scum to be sitting, I think Mayor is untraceable/uncheckable and will never be under sus for still being alive as long as BG hasn't flipped, gets an extra vote to influence mislynches, and Jean looks hella towny for having flipped the goon that obv wanted to die... ... I think I may have just talked myself into Yolo/fear lynching Jean.
His no caring really has me going atm and jealous while I see some scum motivation, I see more as Jean.
And one scum throwing away one vote isn't anything unheard of tbh
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On June 29 2016 08:22 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2016 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 29 2016 07:55 Tictock wrote:
Fuck it, lets do it.
In the hopes of making this the best game ever.
##Vote: Jean Valijean Alternatively, this could be the worst most-memorable game ever where we lose from 9v1, starting with lynching one of our strongest players that was unshootable and lynched mafia D1. People People plz, we can always get back to bickering and killing each other tomorrow. Today we must focus on the matter at hand, which is ruthlessly overthrowing our elected official who has done nothing but good for us because, lets face it, he was a bit of a dick. + Show Spoiler +I was gunna point out that GB will still be our pocket confirmed town until the BG is killed, and that our lynch pool would be smaller tomorrow with a NK, but mafia can hold their shot this game so we can't necessarily get maximum info.
And this isn't THAT crazy, I mean I'm only flipping my read on Damdred kus of 5 words Moosy said to Damdred. We are kinda just assuming Tumble and Skynx are lock town, and this day started out with Super fake claiming Traking me to QT.
I'm pretty sure this is the only logical nonsensically awesome choice.
+ Show Spoiler +don't tell mafia but if they hold shot we gain a ml even if we ml today
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It just really seems not to care even though your busy, you aren't caught up in the day and are trying to solve the game with super imperfect information
It's easy to see how you are mafia, and if we get near lylo/mylo you can't be allowed to get that far just in case honestly.
And lynching a suiciding moosey isn't that great but that goes for all of is who were on you so you could kill moose.
@Super you will really regret lynching me btw idk why I have to be lynched when I have put in a lot of work today and general activity is stupid high for probably dying today
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He was the most town read person GB he always should of been the kill
That's not an argument
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On June 30 2016 02:30 Jealous wrote:
To remove uncertainty from potentially painful end-game scenarios that have muddled my analytical breakdown of when we CAN or SHOULD lynch Jean, I have a couple of questions:
GlowingBear, will you ever use your pardon? If so, in what scenarios and why?
If you were in an endgame scenario where you had to choose between Jean and your bodyguard to lynch, who would you lynch?
Jean: Under what circumstances would you push a GlowingBear lynch?
What in the world was that about pushing gb
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GB is confirmed town jealous...
Though jealous is almost dumb telling himself idk
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On June 30 2016 02:40 Tictock wrote:Anyways, for me Jeans play today is interesting enough to keep him in consideration. He responds to Supers claim saying it adds up because Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 07:05 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 28 2016 06:54 Jealous wrote:On June 28 2016 06:25 GlowingBear wrote:
Confirmed town, impossible to be killed at night.
This is perfect So let me get this clear on paper: you claim Vigi? yes he's claiming vigilante, and superbia is claiming tracker. Both are believable claims, mostly because ticktock is the scummiest player in the thread and it makes no sense for mafia to fakeclaim right now.
I think we just won. Which still seems like a very sudden flip on his read on me given these were his last posts addressing me in the night. Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 00:52 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 28 2016 00:49 Tictock wrote:On June 28 2016 00:25 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 27 2016 23:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 27 2016 23:40 GlowingBear wrote:
I may have made a huge mistake Yeah, you should've pardoned MD! He is probably talking about the bodyguard. This is the one thing that's going to be extremely helpful in deducing GlowingBear's alignment. His choice of bodyguard is very, very important. Do not let him get away with anything less than a full explanation for his choice and make sure it fits his thinking and approach. In addition, this is just speculation, but at some point in the game it may be a good idea to claim the bodyguard role. The reason is quite simple. We probably have some blues the mafia is going to be looking into shooting. A claimed bodyguard is a massive annoyance to mafia because if they want to eliminate me they have to first kill the bodyguard (if I understand the rules correctly). That means two extra nights for our blue roles to do their job. Also, this is more long term, but there is no world where we have named townie + 3 blue roles. That would be excessive, so if a situation comes up where the claims look like that, be very vary of the claims and start making hard decisions on blue roles. I think it's a little early to be discussing this. How about you deliver me some mafia instead of telling people what they should or should not discuss. Go forth my minion and find mafia, then deliver me their heads. I shall make quick judgement of your successes or failures. Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 01:33 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 28 2016 01:27 Tictock wrote:On June 28 2016 01:08 emperorchampion wrote:On June 28 2016 00:48 Tictock wrote:On June 27 2016 23:13 emperorchampion wrote:On June 27 2016 21:12 Tictock wrote:
Yea thats the one.
The whole switch of choice over who to lynch is what makes this an imposing EoD to reread. Not only do I need to look at why people voted who they did for mayor, but when that happened in correlation with who the mayor claimed would be the lynch.
That's why I've had issues with Damdred's filter kus his vote and reads were all over the place EoD. Said he didn't trust GB to be mayor kus he's "wishy-washy" or something, voted GB. Pressed Jean to Lynch me and semi-defended Moosy, voted Jean right before EoD who claimed he was going to lynch Moosy.
Like the switch at the end seems towny because Moosy was scum, but nothing about how he got there makes any sense to me. Damdred has stated at least once his reasons for switching, this post feels very fluffy It sounds like you disagree with my read then and presumably you think Damdred is town. So what am I not seeing? Why is Damdred town? While we are at it, who are you scumreading Emp? I think Damdred stated fairly clearly why he switched his vote. I will discuss reads more during the day phase, but my post does not make any assumptions of damdred's alignment. I am uneasy with how you are coming to your own conclusion in your post about damdred's actions, rather than evaluating what he has already posted. It makes more sense to me to maybe say, "oh I don't believe that you switched your votes for this reason, here is why I think you actually switched votes..." then continue on to your post or something. But I don't see any of that. Ok I'm just going to assume you are mafia with Damdred then. Is this something you genuinely believe? But then hey I'm prob the only person who cares about how his read on me develops. It's more just the trend in his play today which is very survivalist motivated. Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 08:43 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 28 2016 08:41 Tictock wrote:On June 28 2016 06:06 Superbia wrote:TT why'd you visit QT bro? Either you just fucked up SUPER bad (see what i did there?) as scum... Or this is the worst fakeclaim on this site since December. So you're contesting the claim? Fine. I assume you're also ok with lynching you then Superbia, because either way it's an auto win. "Lets just kill you both" with no thoughts attached, and remind you he had just made the point about it being stupid for scum to fake claim. Show nested quote +On June 29 2016 06:20 Jean Valjean wrote:
Hey guys, I'm partially unavailable today, and probably tomorrow too. I am sorry for that, I should have more time to contribute on thursday.
I will try to make sense of what is going on in a little while, also I'm not particularly bothered about what we kill today. Speaks for itself... Then when this pressure started he comes back and starts defending himself, while also making an out of nowhere push on Chez, and fighting/considering Art. The choice of Chez is really interesting to me because it kinda looks like a strategic choice not a reasoned one. Like Jean says this is his current scum pool. Show nested quote +On June 29 2016 21:13 Jean Valjean wrote:
I think mafia is most likely somewhere in:
Damdred/Artanis/Chez/Tictock
And decides Chez is the most scummy for being underwhelming. Chez also happens to be the least active/vocal of this group, is not a current wagon (so a vote for chez is not simply a vote for survival), and is kinda a wildcard player in general. I think it's an even more interesting pick when you consider the amount of evidence that we've discussed tying Damdred to both flipped scum, that I was "the most scummy player in the thread" at one point in Jean's eyes, and that he and art have been constantly fighting and accusing each other all game. Yet we all get kinda flimsy hand wavey reasons why we aren't worth considering today, well me and Damdred at least... the Art stuff is more developed.
Posts like this are glad I reconsidered you.
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I don't think that's something scum forgets who shot their partner.
Ehhh its kinda weak, but I don't think I want to lynch jealous especially with his attitude/interactions today.
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Really think jealous is almost lock town.
If I get lynched today just never touch him
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On June 30 2016 03:25 Tictock wrote:I took another look at Moosy' filter to see if any of his posts involving Jean were revealing, but they weren't. So went to Emp's filter instead. This post gave me pause when I first saw it... Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 11:12 emperorchampion wrote:For Jean Valjean: I think that he was overly defensive of the slight scum lean that Artanis gave him. On June 26 2016 08:07 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Absolutely 100% confirmed town
Chezinu
Town
Damdred
Skynx
Tumblewood
Quicktwist
Townish
Subparbia
-power gap-
Emperorarechampion
Null
GlowingBear
Jealous
MoosyDoosy
Mildly leaning mafia
Jean Valjean
Lean mafia
Ticktock Please explain why I am mafia Artanis. You seem to think that my posts somehow lead you to conclude I am mafia. If you're not full of shit you must have a reason for that. I'll await your swift response. I think I can understand his post from the mentality of "I contributed as much as I could with the limited time I have". But these responses seem very heavy handed: On June 26 2016 08:27 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 08:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 08:07 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Absolutely 100% confirmed town
Chezinu
Town
Damdred
Skynx
Tumblewood
Quicktwist
Townish
Subparbia
-power gap-
Emperorarechampion
Null
GlowingBear
Jealous
MoosyDoosy
Mildly leaning mafia
Jean Valjean
Lean mafia
Ticktock Please explain why I am mafia Artanis. You seem to think that my posts somehow lead you to conclude I am mafia. If you're not full of shit you must have a reason for that. I'll await your swift response. On June 26 2016 07:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 06:38 Jean Valjean wrote:
Nothing little Jean Valjean has said has been helpful in any way. I think he is more likely than most to be mafia. That's just an objective statement. I have said very little and acknowledged that my contributions would be lacking today. If you want to call me mafia you have to explain why what little I have said is no useful. I am almost certain you are mafia by now. On June 26 2016 08:31 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 08:27 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 08:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 08:07 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Absolutely 100% confirmed town
Chezinu
Town
Damdred
Skynx
Tumblewood
Quicktwist
Townish
Subparbia
-power gap-
Emperorarechampion
Null
GlowingBear
Jealous
MoosyDoosy
Mildly leaning mafia
Jean Valjean
Lean mafia
Ticktock Please explain why I am mafia Artanis. You seem to think that my posts somehow lead you to conclude I am mafia. If you're not full of shit you must have a reason for that. I'll await your swift response. On June 26 2016 07:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 06:38 Jean Valjean wrote:
Nothing little Jean Valjean has said has been helpful in any way. I think he is more likely than most to be mafia. That's just an objective statement. I have said very little and acknowledged that my contributions would be lacking today. If you want to call me mafia you have to explain why what little I have said is no useful. I am almost certain you are mafia by now. So I'm mafia for applying a reason you called Damdred mafia for onto you? Must mean you're like 110% mafia then, especially since you didn't explain it for Damdred yourself. First of all, I wasn't talking about Damdred, I was talking about Superbia, a player that generally can be fairly helpful. In addition, he has posted three pages of content, something that I clearly haven't done, so the direction of his posts has become clear, while I would argue the direction of my posts is not yet clear. It is unreasonable to call someone mafia for not posting helpful things when he has posted 3 posts in general. If you want to call me mafia for being inactive that's fine, if you think I'm actively lurking and avoiding posting, that's fine too. I just think the rationale you just gave is both unreasonable and opportunistic. I don't believe you think your own reasoning is valid, and that means you must be mafia. Another thing that gives me pause was his calling out of super: On June 26 2016 06:38 Jean Valjean wrote:
Very little Superbia has said has been helpful in any way. I think he is more likely than most to be mafia. While he also seems to be fairly aware of supers' meta here:
I was talking about Superbia, a player that generally can be fairly helpful
Two things: 1) I think that Super has had some direction, and I think I have a fairly good read on the way Super plays. 2) Something that I find odd about all of this is that there had been no mention of Moosy at all in this "you haven't contributed anything useful" line of thinking. From his posts so far this is what I have seen: 1) He is admittedly not very involved 2) He has read through Super's and my filter, which he believes are empty but he gives no mention of Moosy's lack of contributions 3) Very defensive posting Overall I'm not thrilled with his responses, and I will be very interested to see the level of his interactions as the game progresses. Then I found the small follow up he made later one (he messed up the code in that post but this was directly responding to his own points from the above. Show nested quote +
I believe that the three points above can easily be explained by someone who is afk, ie you don't have time to look through the entire game, you just read filter, you've given a reason that you are away and someone leans scum on you for not believing that reason. This in a way makes sense to me.
Jean's activity since then I'm not so sure. It seems like he is willing to invest time in the game now, and he has been making posts that are at odds with his opening goals. I would be interested to hear others opinions on this matter though, since he seems to be heavily town read.
This is actually kinda confusing, but given that Emp's main point was that Jean wasn't considering Moosy as scum I'm half tempted to just conclude that the scum team decided to bus each other all game. At first I thought this might actually prove Jean is town, especially since this was basically Emp's only push this game. However the followup he made to his own case feels weird. It's like he's still scum reading Jean but doesn't want to push him really. I'm a bit torn of how to interpret this. Anyone else have some thoughts?
It's a form of distancing IMO just in case Jean or ec flips both get slight cred I think.
Kind of confusing though tbh
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Explain me with reasoning super.
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Also besides that fact Jean can't really be allowed to reach lylo or if he's scum he auto wins if hes here at start of day meh.
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Fuck...
Jean why do you do this to me, i just wanted to afk the EOD while I cooked. But I read the game and how hes approaching EOD while he leads the votes is so Towny.
The way it would go and nobody wouldblame him would be to hammer me with his 2x vote and be safe.
I think it's partially suicidal but would be great scum play to play the lo g game. And I don't think that's what he's doing.
So maybe it's just chez? Maybe super
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Probably goes sometging like
Chez, then super then tt.
But I don't believe it exactly and need more time.
It's. Really hard game
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