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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
July 01 2016 08:31 GMT
#2001
Scum is also somewhat likely to claim a role then but we have 2 lynches and 2 nights to figure shit out.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
July 01 2016 08:34 GMT
#2002
Oh and if we're ever about to lynch the bodyguard he should claim and we pardon/sleep.

Actually he wouldn't need to claim bc Glowingbear can just pardon since he knows the bodyguard.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
July 01 2016 08:35 GMT
#2003
Oh also remind me to spout some logic about roles and shit if it ever comes to that.

I'm pretty sure I know what roles there are in this game and who have them.
Minimal effort.
Jean Valjean
Profile Joined April 2015
France216 Posts
July 01 2016 08:54 GMT
#2004
On July 01 2016 13:04 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2016 12:57 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 01 2016 12:53 Damdred wrote:
Both ec and moose were going down hard. Idk


Moosy voted JVJ so he would be lynched instead of EC. If he did something like that we can assume Mafia team considered that EC's role was important. If Mafia team considered that EC's role was important, so we can assume that it is most likely that the last member DIDN'T vote for me day1


No offense to Moosy...

But you are giving his "sacrificial" play too much credit and planning.

Lol Yes.

There very much exists the chance moosy is just... special
In His name my task has just begun, I will see it done!
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
July 01 2016 08:56 GMT
#2005
Moosy is a cool dude, dude.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
July 01 2016 09:11 GMT
#2006
Actually jean can never live to final 3 because he'd win if he's mafia.
Minimal effort.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10357 Posts
July 01 2016 10:00 GMT
#2007
On July 01 2016 18:11 Superbia wrote:
Actually jean can never live to final 3 because he'd win if he's mafia.

Agreed.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
July 01 2016 10:02 GMT
#2008
On July 01 2016 19:00 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2016 18:11 Superbia wrote:
Actually jean can never live to final 3 because he'd win if he's mafia.

Agreed.


Why?
Minimal effort.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10357 Posts
July 01 2016 10:04 GMT
#2009
On July 01 2016 19:02 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2016 19:00 Jealous wrote:
On July 01 2016 18:11 Superbia wrote:
Actually jean can never live to final 3 because he'd win if he's mafia.

Agreed.


Why?

Because of math.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
July 01 2016 10:07 GMT
#2010
On July 01 2016 19:04 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2016 19:02 Superbia wrote:
On July 01 2016 19:00 Jealous wrote:
On July 01 2016 18:11 Superbia wrote:
Actually jean can never live to final 3 because he'd win if he's mafia.

Agreed.


Why?

Because of math.


Explain why this is true pls. x;
Minimal effort.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10357 Posts
July 01 2016 10:24 GMT
#2011
On July 01 2016 19:07 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2016 19:04 Jealous wrote:
On July 01 2016 19:02 Superbia wrote:
On July 01 2016 19:00 Jealous wrote:
On July 01 2016 18:11 Superbia wrote:
Actually jean can never live to final 3 because he'd win if he's mafia.

Agreed.


Why?

Because of math.


Explain why this is true pls. x;

If Jean is scum, Jean wins with any 2 other people left in the game. All he has to do is vote as soon as Day post comes up (literally just have it hanging in the window and post ASAP). The other two people, as per the rules, would never be able to fight his 2 votes. Town loses.

Even if GB is still in the game and he pardons either himself or whoever the other townie is, Jean will just NK the other townie, GG.

Without Jean being in the final 3, there is at least one more Day for the three remaining players to figure out who is scum. With Jean being in the final 3, even if he is not scum, we place all of our faith in his decision. I trust two heads over one, in the sense that the two remaining townies would know that each of their votes is as crucial to winning the game as the other's.

However, this does not mean I support lynching Jean now or at any point prior to this situation. When there are only


Scratch that. We have 8 players remaining at the start of this Day cycle. This means that (if we assume there is no pardon):

After D3 = 7 people
After N3 = 6 people
After D4 = 5 people
'' N4 = 4 people
'' D5 = 3 people
'' N5 = 2 people, gg

This means there will never be a Day cycle with 3 people, or an odd number of people (again, if we assume no pardon).

If we get to this point of 4 people (D5) and we lynch Jean and he flips town, then town loses. At D5 people can still lynch Jean with a 3-2 majority, but this is also risky because if Jean is town and votes a mislynch, scum can shenanie at the last moment and swing the 3-2 in the other direction and win that way.

Thus, if we don't lynch scum in D3 or D4, town will likely lose. Therefore, Jean must die in D4 in order to give town another day to vote.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10357 Posts
July 01 2016 10:26 GMT
#2012
However, I just realized I hadn't considered various PR. Cop, Vet, and Roleblocker all throw various wrenches into the mix.

Will have to analyze this when I have more time tomorrow.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10357 Posts
July 01 2016 10:28 GMT
#2013
Errr, by Cop I meant medic.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10357 Posts
July 01 2016 10:32 GMT
#2014
Bah, scum wouldn't even need to shenanie in D5, they would just have to vote for Jean just like the other two players remaining and that'd be a wrap if Jean was town.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10357 Posts
July 01 2016 10:37 GMT
#2015
On July 01 2016 19:32 Jealous wrote:
Bah, scum wouldn't even need to shenanie in D5, they would just have to vote for Jean just like the other two players remaining and that'd be a wrap if Jean was town.

Yea, damn, I didn't put enough time into the above post. I thought it would be pretty simple to math it out but it's mad complicated. Even if we forget PRs for a moment, there are the following scenarios:

1. Jean is scum, and pardon has been used.
2. Jean is scum, and pardon has not been used.
3. Jean is not scum, and pardon has been used.
4. Jean is not scum, and pardon has not been used.

Each requires their own mathematical breakdown.

Agh.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
July 01 2016 10:43 GMT
#2016
It's not that difficult.

1. Pardon if bodyguard is about to get lynched.
2. Pardon if glowingbear and bodyguard are alive during final 4.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
July 01 2016 10:44 GMT
#2017
It's just important to keep in mind that Jean as scum will auto win in a final 3.
Minimal effort.
Jean Valjean
Profile Joined April 2015
France216 Posts
July 01 2016 10:56 GMT
#2018
can we please talk less about me inevitably getting murdered?

Tumblewood is meh, so whatever. Tictock doesn't really sound like mafia yet. I'm also hoping to clear one of the potentially suspicious people with a blue claim so there's that.
In His name my task has just begun, I will see it done!
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
July 01 2016 11:00 GMT
#2019
:D

TW has been remarkably absent. Or I may just be miss-remembering when he was last active.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
July 01 2016 11:00 GMT
#2020
Oh I remember some lists or w/e I think
Minimal effort.
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