[W][M] Newbie Mafia XXI

emperorchampion

Switzerland4349 Posts

May 26 2016 21:41 GMT

#141

Total noob here, I'd be willing to give it a go! I've been following the other mafia game for a couple days now, seems interesting.

emperorchampion

Switzerland4349 Posts

May 27 2016 20:37 GMT

#149

/in !

emperorchampion

Switzerland4349 Posts

June 01 2016 17:29 GMT

#160

Free time / waiting for analysis to run here :/

emperorchampion

Switzerland4349 Posts

June 02 2016 02:12 GMT

#180

/confirm

:o

emperorchampion

Switzerland4349 Posts

June 02 2016 02:13 GMT

#181

Ready to play and get played!

emperorchampion

Switzerland4349 Posts

June 02 2016 13:46 GMT

#210

On June 02 2016 22:33 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:

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oh i prefer dota if I'm going to play a moba. It's just that all I remember is entire hours of my life being wasted in games where I wasn't even having fun.

Hmm I find dota a lot more relaxing than starcraft, that's pretty much why I ended up making the transition (well SC->LoL->dota)

emperorchampion

Switzerland4349 Posts

June 02 2016 13:58 GMT

#215

On June 02 2016 22:51 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:

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oh yeah definitely. It's just like in dota your team feeds or you feed, then for the next 30 minutes you are stuck in an unwinnable game where no one is trying.
And after the game you're like "wow that game really sucked," and now half my night is gone.

Yeah that's a fair point. I've been playing Overwatch recently, and I realize that I actually miss the downtime. In dota if things go bad, it either ends pretty quickly or you have it be drawn out. Then there's a couple minutes of queue time, through all of this you can decompress and reset for the next game. In Overwatch things can go poorly forever with no breaks, it's weird I don't think I've ever gotten so mad from playing a game... still fun tho

emperorchampion

Switzerland4349 Posts

June 03 2016 18:12 GMT

#250

glhf all!

emperorchampion

Switzerland4349 Posts

June 03 2016 23:35 GMT

#358

I step out of the bath house, elated after a fine evening of lounging in warm water in the presence of naked men. However, I feel something in the air, something like the fresh scent of a revolution. Maybe that could be the garbage lying on the street though. But no, this is the day to take down the mighty Cesar, and get rid of his brutish rule!

emperorchampion

Switzerland4349 Posts

June 03 2016 23:39 GMT

#369

@ CRISPR I've seen Orphan Black, seems like a bad place to go! (Toronto, that is)

emperorchampion

Switzerland4349 Posts

June 03 2016 23:41 GMT

#373

On June 04 2016 08:28 Superbia wrote:

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I hoped to get town and I got town. ;p

proof?

emperorchampion

Switzerland4349 Posts

June 03 2016 23:48 GMT

#385

On June 04 2016 08:41 QuickTwist wrote:

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You want them to get mod killed if they can prove they are Town? Whaaaa?

I'm afraid I don't follow, how mod killed? Just want to lynch if they are followers of Cesar >

emperorchampion

Switzerland4349 Posts

June 03 2016 23:54 GMT

#399

On June 04 2016 08:49 QuickTwist wrote:

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Lets think about this for a moment. What's the only way someone can prove their role in this game? I'll give you a hint: Its against the rules.

Ah OK, I understand what you are saying.

emperorchampion

Switzerland4349 Posts

June 04 2016 00:11 GMT

#424

So I'll take a shot at quicktwist's filter:

On June 04 2016 08:07 QuickTwist wrote:
I;m getting a town read on Sup... for really no reason.

On June 04 2016 08:14 QuickTwist wrote:
Town read on Jealous.

On June 04 2016 08:16 QuickTwist wrote:
Town read on Tumble

A lot of reads, not sure where from. Purpose could be to create conversation.

On June 04 2016 08:35 QuickTwist wrote:

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What is the point to this question?

Seems towny, trying to get more information out of people.

On June 04 2016 08:59 QuickTwist wrote:

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I explained this partially but I will explain to those who may not understand the intricacies of this.

Sup is trying to look like he is town. So either he is playing some really fantastic head games with people and he wants people to vote him to see who picks up on his scummy behavior and votes Obvscum OR he is just really bad Scum who is trying to look like they are scum hunting in the most obvious straightforward way possible. I don't think he is so dumb that he could legit be Town trying to scum hunt, but at this point I can't rule that out I guess.

Taking the second level logic approach and scum reading superior. Overall agressive and bold claims. Agressive seems scummy, but seems risky to put yourself out so much early on. I can see the information seeking thought process, even if I don't agree with the overall thought process.

Read: I'm thinking he's pretty town

emperorchampion

Switzerland4349 Posts

June 04 2016 00:12 GMT

#428

On June 04 2016 09:11 Superbia wrote:

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See above lol was looking through filter

Also, what is the best way to keep up with these games? Just sub threads + filters?

emperorchampion

Switzerland4349 Posts

June 04 2016 00:15 GMT

#431

In any case, I think I'm out for tonight! Maybe a bit more if I end up watching Manilla major tonight. Hopefully the post count slows down until tomorrow!

emperorchampion

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June 04 2016 15:37 GMT

#627

On June 04 2016 23:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:

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Talk to me buddy. Does Quicktwist and Jealous feel like two townies caught in an argument against each other and refusing to back down due to pride or is one of them Mafia? For some reason I keep getting hints of the second even though it really looks like the first.

QT v Jealous has obviously dominated the first few pages so far. I've been thinking similarly, but that there is a third option as well --- I'm not sure how likely that is though.

emperorchampion

Switzerland4349 Posts

June 04 2016 16:41 GMT

#636

I took a look through Tumblewood's filter, since he seems like the only one posting anything of note aside from QT-pie and Jealsus (which is a cesspool I don't want to wade through).

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On June 04 2016 09:39 Tumblewood wrote:

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On June 04 2016 09:33 Jealous wrote:

On June 04 2016 09:31 QuickTwist wrote:

On June 04 2016 09:29 Jealous wrote:

On June 04 2016 09:22 QuickTwist wrote:

On June 04 2016 09:14 blkcoffee wrote:

On June 04 2016 08:59 Jealous wrote:

On June 04 2016 08:53 blkcoffee wrote:

On June 04 2016 08:49 Jealous wrote:

On June 04 2016 08:46 Tumblewood wrote:
tryhard newbie + Show Spoiler [*cough cough*] +

jealous

= scum newbie most of the time

With no clues to work off of and only the content of a few early posters to analyze, I don't think my behavior is suspicious in the slightest and you're trying to cast shade on someone you may know is townie.

I played my last two TL Mafia games in 2008, in which I was townie and then mafia, in both of which I tried pretty hard by my reckoning. Here are the summaries for full disclosure since they were on a different account:

Townie: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/67925-tl-mafia-2-gg?user=fanatacist
Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/80975-tl-mafia-3-night-5?user=fanatacist

If it's alright with you I'm not going to read any of those games.

I'm curious what you think of quick town reading you so early and his subsequent town reads.

For quicktwist. Can you explain how you came to a serious vote on super. What changed?

That's fine, they are there for anyone who is curious, and were presented solely as some substantive evidence against Tumblewood's flimsy read.

What I think of Quick town-reading me so early is that he is that he is potentially trying to make allies among people he would know are confirmed townie, because he is mafia. Or, in retrospect, as my first post in response to him and Superbia was more or less stating that I found their behavior suspicious, he aims to pass that suspicion onto me by making it seem like I am in cohorts with them, or something. The fact that he is a newcomer to TL Mafia may have something to do with the fact that he is playing, in my opinion, fast and dangerous.

This seems rather too in-depth this early on. I think if quicktwist gave an explanation For the town read we could analyse it and see how it holds up.

Another dodgy response here. Leaning scum intensifies.

you're going to have to explain how that makes me scum without saying the word "vibes".

Instead of substantiating your claims you post image macros that effectively close the topic for further analysis and discussion, something that would be key for scum to do in order to protect themselves from further inspection.

the folly in this is that no one "protects themselves from further inspection" by posting images instead of responses, nor is that "key for scum to do". qt should not be afraid of the pressure you are putting on him because it is weak pressure (in the sense that it is convincing no one else) and it does not help him avoid inspection.

Here it looks like tumble is putting pressure on Jealous. This is based off of defense for QT, since he gave strong townread to QT earlier here:

On June 04 2016 09:20 Tumblewood wrote:
shitty early d1 reads that I shouldn't be making
town: superbia, qt
town lean: emperor
null: moosy
scum lean: jealous
scum: [pending further posts]

To which is commented:

On June 04 2016 09:21 Tumblewood wrote:
if asked to defend any of my reads right now I will only respond by saying "feels"

So now that we've framed the context of the first post, I think that there are two ways of interpreting it:
1) He is protecting QT-pie
2) He's calling a bad play a bad play

From the previous context, I would think former, but reading the following posts I think the ladder:

On June 04 2016 10:47 Tumblewood wrote:

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what
but why
it's in town's best interest to look townie (except to dodge nightkills) so town doesn't waste a lynch on them

On June 04 2016 11:31 Tumblewood wrote:

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his scumreads are founded in a mountain of evidence, but that evidence does not make anyone scum. I don't see how you can refute his reads as misled but then call them good and townie all of a sudden.
townread suspended

On June 04 2016 16:18 Tumblewood wrote:
ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills). I don't believe that they could both be town, although if they were I will mock D1 relentlessly in postgame. I also believe that they could not keep up this stupid bickering for so long as partners. I'm leaning toward QT at this point for refuting everything Jealous says and then townreading him for it (pretty shallow townread IMO, there's more to the game than just how much you write that's semi-productive). Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment. 6/10 would lynch QT D1 and if he flips town lynch Jealous D2
or we could plynch sqrt and let their alignments become more apparent over time.

In my mind, it seems that there is some sort of triangle between QT-pie, tumble and Jealsus. At first I was thinking that QT/tumble could be a pair, but "6/10" lynch is pretty strong against that, although maybe tumble doesn't think the QT vote will go through so he doesn't have to push it?

Jealsus/QT-pie: there are 3 options: 1) both town, 2) town and maf 3) both maf. I think that 3) is pretty unlikely, seems like such a ballsy play to carry out those shenanigans. I think that 2) is more likely than 1).

Jealsus/tumble: I think it's fairly well summarized from the post above: "ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills". Also: "Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment"

So from this, I find that Jealous is a common thread in all of this, so I would be interested in hearing why he isn't maf, or what he is trying to accomplish aside from generating pages of noise against QT-pie. My towny read on QT still stands, and I think that tumble has shown some decent thought, so I think that I'm leaning town on him as well. Therefore, my maf read sits with Jealous since I want to see how these 3 players unravel.

emperorchampion

Switzerland4349 Posts

June 04 2016 16:45 GMT

#637

On June 05 2016 01:33 Tictock wrote:
Ok I piddled around too long and am not going to be able to elaborate as much as I wanted to about my scum reads, but here is the short and sweet version.

QT - There is just too many inconsistencies in his play for me to overlook. He pushed Super early for "trying to look town" + Show Spoiler +

which is a terrible reason to scumread anyone, especially when that doesn't reall describe Super's play at all imo

and then scum reads me for basically doing the opposite + Show Spoiler +

not openly giving my reads

. His posts in general feel pretty disjointed and his thoughts sometimes backtrack or dissapear for no reason + Show Spoiler +

Sorry no time for examples

. Combined with some of the points other people have made about his flippant and largely unfounded reads and dismissve approach to questions... yea this guy is top of my lynch list.

Emperorchampion - I liked his open, but the rest of his posts fall flat and he quickly dropped the attitude he started with. The way he spent a lot of effort filterdiving QT + Show Spoiler +

filters so early in the game?

to come up with a townread on him, then made a townread on Tumble with much less effort and used Tumble's thoughts to conclude that Jealous is scum is really off.

Thats it for now, I may get a chance to post later tonight, but likely won't be around till tomorrow.

##Vote: QuickTwist

Filter diving, I like the term

To be honest, with regards to filter diving, I'm just not really sure the best way to play the game, so I'm trying things to see what works out.