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Fecalfeast

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June 07 2016 18:12 GMT

#1233

On June 08 2016 03:10 emperorchampion wrote:
Scott, tick and fecal posting in a row is some sp00ky shit haha

We came up with it in the scum QT to freak you out

Fecalfeast

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June 07 2016 18:18 GMT

#1235

On June 08 2016 02:25 Superbia wrote:
neo FF is also harder to read

What is neo about me?

Fecalfeast

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June 07 2016 22:40 GMT

#1293

i would kill BTDT still, yeah. That post where he game QT a pass for being active but then scumread jealous without mentioning his activity is still in my mind

Fecalfeast

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June 08 2016 01:41 GMT

#1300

Voting bentheredonethat because the thread is boring. Too much spam d1, not enough spam d2.

Fecalfeast

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June 08 2016 01:52 GMT

#1301

On June 04 2016 19:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also, following up on Tumblewood's post about QT and Jealous: if I simply follow the reads that I did so far without looking at Jealous' filter (which I haven't done yet), my logical conclusion should be that Jealous is scum. Here is my thought process about that:

1. I townread Tumblewood.
2. Tumblewood thinks that between QT and Jealous, one is scum.
3. I townread QT.

That makes Jealous scum (only if Tumblewood's thought is correct which, of course, is not granted). I am going to look at Jealous more detailed.

So this post is after his larger post where he says

Also, I like QuickTwist, also for the great activity. The fact that he votes Tumblewood because he gives him a townread ("I shouldn't be getting this much town cred already should I?") makes me think he's town.

It almost feels like he's saying he townreads QT just because he townread him earlier. The reasoning for qts townread can just as easily be applied to jealous except jealous didn't vote someone for townreading him.

Since you asked for context jellybean

Fecalfeast

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June 08 2016 14:56 GMT

#1314

Zzzzzzzzz why am i awakenso early lately

Fecalfeast

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June 08 2016 17:30 GMT

#1324

Do we just start lynching lurkers or what here? obviously mafia is afk and if it's an active mafia team then we need people to give a shit since I'm stupid and will just be pocketed

Fecalfeast

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June 08 2016 19:30 GMT

#1355

deadline is soon yeah we need people here now.

Fecalfeast

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June 08 2016 19:42 GMT

#1360

On June 09 2016 04:38 Skynx wrote:
I'm not too happy switching to Scott he's super afk yeah but I really think we need to kill a big target today. Scott can be left for later on.

Define "big target" please

Fecalfeast

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June 08 2016 19:48 GMT

#1366

So you want to kill someone with more thread presence rahter than someone who isn't contributing? That isn't a towny mindset imo.

Moose who do we kill, then?

Fecalfeast

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June 08 2016 19:48 GMT

#1368

Is emperor a big target, would you consider yourself a big target, skynx? Please elaborate on what you mean...

Fecalfeast

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June 08 2016 20:00 GMT

#1378

yup I'm going through emperor's filter. He flips on QT as it gets closer to him being killed, he says he's not sdure about me then calls me half life 3 confirmed town.

also:

On June 08 2016 00:26 emperorchampion wrote:
Also I don't think I ever hard read QT as maf, just hypothosised that it was odd QT and Tumble were defending each other. This was the information I was interested in. I dunno you are trying to twist my words I feel

This made me check and it seems he was really hedging his bets and skirting around making any hard calls at all about QT.

On June 05 2016 01:41 emperorchampion wrote:
I took a look through Tumblewood's filter, since he seems like the only one posting anything of note aside from QT-pie and Jealsus (which is a cesspool I don't want to wade through).

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On June 04 2016 09:39 Tumblewood wrote:

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On June 04 2016 09:33 Jealous wrote:

On June 04 2016 09:31 QuickTwist wrote:

On June 04 2016 09:29 Jealous wrote:

On June 04 2016 09:22 QuickTwist wrote:

On June 04 2016 09:14 blkcoffee wrote:

On June 04 2016 08:59 Jealous wrote:

On June 04 2016 08:53 blkcoffee wrote:

On June 04 2016 08:49 Jealous wrote:

On June 04 2016 08:46 Tumblewood wrote:
tryhard newbie + Show Spoiler [*cough cough*] +

jealous

= scum newbie most of the time

With no clues to work off of and only the content of a few early posters to analyze, I don't think my behavior is suspicious in the slightest and you're trying to cast shade on someone you may know is townie.

I played my last two TL Mafia games in 2008, in which I was townie and then mafia, in both of which I tried pretty hard by my reckoning. Here are the summaries for full disclosure since they were on a different account:

Townie: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/67925-tl-mafia-2-gg?user=fanatacist
Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/80975-tl-mafia-3-night-5?user=fanatacist

If it's alright with you I'm not going to read any of those games.

I'm curious what you think of quick town reading you so early and his subsequent town reads.

For quicktwist. Can you explain how you came to a serious vote on super. What changed?

That's fine, they are there for anyone who is curious, and were presented solely as some substantive evidence against Tumblewood's flimsy read.

What I think of Quick town-reading me so early is that he is that he is potentially trying to make allies among people he would know are confirmed townie, because he is mafia. Or, in retrospect, as my first post in response to him and Superbia was more or less stating that I found their behavior suspicious, he aims to pass that suspicion onto me by making it seem like I am in cohorts with them, or something. The fact that he is a newcomer to TL Mafia may have something to do with the fact that he is playing, in my opinion, fast and dangerous.

This seems rather too in-depth this early on. I think if quicktwist gave an explanation For the town read we could analyse it and see how it holds up.

Another dodgy response here. Leaning scum intensifies.

you're going to have to explain how that makes me scum without saying the word "vibes".

Instead of substantiating your claims you post image macros that effectively close the topic for further analysis and discussion, something that would be key for scum to do in order to protect themselves from further inspection.

the folly in this is that no one "protects themselves from further inspection" by posting images instead of responses, nor is that "key for scum to do". qt should not be afraid of the pressure you are putting on him because it is weak pressure (in the sense that it is convincing no one else) and it does not help him avoid inspection.

Here it looks like tumble is putting pressure on Jealous. This is based off of defense for QT, since he gave strong townread to QT earlier here:

On June 04 2016 09:20 Tumblewood wrote:
shitty early d1 reads that I shouldn't be making
town: superbia, qt
town lean: emperor
null: moosy
scum lean: jealous
scum: [pending further posts]

To which is commented:

On June 04 2016 09:21 Tumblewood wrote:
if asked to defend any of my reads right now I will only respond by saying "feels"

So now that we've framed the context of the first post, I think that there are two ways of interpreting it:
1) He is protecting QT-pie
2) He's calling a bad play a bad play

From the previous context, I would think former, but reading the following posts I think the ladder:

On June 04 2016 10:47 Tumblewood wrote:

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what
but why
it's in town's best interest to look townie (except to dodge nightkills) so town doesn't waste a lynch on them

On June 04 2016 11:31 Tumblewood wrote:

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his scumreads are founded in a mountain of evidence, but that evidence does not make anyone scum. I don't see how you can refute his reads as misled but then call them good and townie all of a sudden.
townread suspended

On June 04 2016 16:18 Tumblewood wrote:
ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills). I don't believe that they could both be town, although if they were I will mock D1 relentlessly in postgame. I also believe that they could not keep up this stupid bickering for so long as partners. I'm leaning toward QT at this point for refuting everything Jealous says and then townreading him for it (pretty shallow townread IMO, there's more to the game than just how much you write that's semi-productive). Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment. 6/10 would lynch QT D1 and if he flips town lynch Jealous D2
or we could plynch sqrt and let their alignments become more apparent over time.

In my mind, it seems that there is some sort of triangle between QT-pie, tumble and Jealsus. At first I was thinking that QT/tumble could be a pair, but "6/10" lynch is pretty strong against that, although maybe tumble doesn't think the QT vote will go through so he doesn't have to push it?

Jealsus/QT-pie: there are 3 options: 1) both town, 2) town and maf 3) both maf. I think that 3) is pretty unlikely, seems like such a ballsy play to carry out those shenanigans. I think that 2) is more likely than 1).

Jealsus/tumble: I think it's fairly well summarized from the post above: "ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills". Also: "Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment"

So from this, I find that Jealous is a common thread in all of this, so I would be interested in hearing why he isn't maf, or what he is trying to accomplish aside from generating pages of noise against QT-pie. My towny read on QT still stands, and I think that tumble has shown some decent thought, so I think that I'm leaning town on him as well. Therefore, my maf read sits with Jealous since I want to see how these 3 players unravel.

has QT in a possible scum pair

On June 05 2016 00:37 emperorchampion wrote:

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QT v Jealous has obviously dominated the first few pages so far. I've been thinking similarly, but that there is a third option as well --- I'm not sure how likely that is though.

On June 06 2016 03:03 emperorchampion wrote:
I think that Skynx could be scum, not really sure on the rest since I haven't looked too much into it due to not having too much time atm. Superbia / Tictock seem town.

Fecalfeast / scott not really sure. Seems like a mafia move to push an afk tho, so I don't know what it accomplishes. I think my vote has to go into tumble / QT / Jealous to figure this out.

keeps QT in his lynch circle even though he was leaning more toward jealous as scum out of QT/jealous

On June 06 2016 02:53 emperorchampion wrote:
OK so I think I'm caught up.

Am I crazy for thinking that Tumble / QT are a mafia pair given the last two pages?

QT/tumble mafia pair mentioned

On June 06 2016 05:34 emperorchampion wrote:
I don't think too much has been said in the last few pages to sway my opinion on voting QT. What I'm thinking is that if QT is town, tumble is probably town and jealous is maf. And if QT if maf, tumble is probably maf, jealous is town.

kush is a bit of a toss up, his filter is pretty empty but maybe he has an excuse? The plynch seems a little off to me.

This, among other posts also suggests that emperor should have been pushing jealous a lot more today rather than just being complacent with the thread direction.

so my questions for emperor:

What do you read Jealous as?

Who do you want to kill and why?

Why was it so hard for you to make a solid read on QT while talking about him so often?

Fecalfeast

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June 08 2016 21:08 GMT

#1405

On June 09 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:
6) FecalFeast - What do you cling to? What right now is most disturbing or upsetting to you? Is it important to keep our first impressions or should we always be letting the waves of information influence us?

generally or with relation to this game? These are vague questions

Fecalfeast

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June 08 2016 23:19 GMT

#1466

fuck me, I got tied up with a bunch of stuff at once and hoped I'd make it back for deadline.

Shitty

Fecalfeast

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June 09 2016 18:40 GMT

#1518

If a blue claims and nobody counterclaims we can't know if it's a real claim until a second blue claims. If two blues claim and nobody counterclaims (either with a third blue role or the same as one of the claimers) we can assume that both blue roles are town eliminating two people from the lynch pool and effectively controlling the nightkills from mafia.

Claim wars is when mafia decides to risk counterclaiming with hopes of getting the blue role(s) lynched first. In the situation we are in it is fairly likely mafia will try to counter in this way as a failed counterclaim(mafia claimer is lynched) mafia still has two members.

That being said I think mafia has been sitting pretty all game and we need to start looking into people who seem towny.