[M][N]A Wonderful Normal Game of Mafia

On April 26 2016 23:34 Damdred wrote:
5 more people to start bpya player list is shaping up

On April 28 2016 06:48 Tubesock wrote:


Don't be a bump on a log, /in!

On May 03 2016 21:12 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
*plynching

On May 03 2016 10:54 Fazers wrote:
Hi guys, Fazers checking in. Let's rock on!

On May 03 2016 08:01 Alakaslam wrote:
But see pm sent to dr parnassusuussssusussu

He is probably away

On May 03 2016 22:19 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Shapelog, if you have limited time like you suggest, maybe you shouldn't spend it checking pointless things?

On May 03 2016 22:20 Killing wrote:
Dude if you had to post a link to the weather network to convince me you'r enot lying than you probably need to rethink your strategy here

On May 03 2016 22:32 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


You really think me wanting a plynch is an indicator of my alignment?

On May 03 2016 22:45 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


I think this is a great game for a plynch, and I think palmar is a perfect plynch candidate.

Somewhat sus of DrP, who came in here with the nostalgia feels (possibly trying to buddy me) and didn't do anything else.

On May 04 2016 00:20 Killing wrote:


I wanna kill you so bad you have no idea

On May 04 2016 00:24 Killing wrote:


I like to tease a bit before lynching people. A lil foreplay

On May 04 2016 00:31 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
so you guys don't want to policy lynch palmar for not being here day 1?

On May 04 2016 00:43 RiceyKins wrote:


I'd rather not without knowing the reason. I think Shape said he had a slow start last game and got lynched for it too?

On May 04 2016 00:55 marvellosity wrote:

so why did you use a question mark when you were talking about what shape said

had you genuinely forgot who it was in the 50 posts the game has? could you not have checked if you weren't sure? etc

On May 04 2016 00:59 RiceyKins wrote:
I'm a smurf of somebody who hasn't played in a few years so yes I am a smurf.

On May 04 2016 06:29 Fazers wrote:


Username checks out ; )

On May 04 2016 07:41 Fazers wrote:

I don't know how to pun, explain please?

On May 04 2016 04:44 Killing wrote:
Well since I've played all my games over video, the majority of my read come from context over content. So basically how people say shit over what they are saying. Just put people on a range of what I think they are more likely to say when being town vs more likely to say as either alignment vs more likely to say as mafia.

Shape started off awkward and then when I just said I don't like him, he just came back at me which is fine and everything. The awkwardness I just read as mafia but he could just be an awkward human being. Obviously I don't know how he really is so I default that to scummy. The coming back to me felt super taunt-y which I find is a very common pattern amongst mafia for whatever reason. I honestly don't understand it but whenever a player gives me a "bring it on", it makes me heavily lean them towards mafia because it's just a pattern i've picked up on over my 1000 games. Not to be confused with just regular taunting i.e. someone said "call me mafia for no reason". They are different for no other reason than just my observations over many many games.

Ricey feels weak and just un-conflicting (can't remember the word). When I say weak, i mean they just don't want to cause any problems. I don't give a fuck as either alignment but some people I feel do. He said sorry. Who says sorry in a game of mafia rofl. That's kinda just my feel for the brief amount i've read. I don't really re-read posts. Obv, he could just be a weak personality type and this is null but again, it's just a trend i've picked up on from my games.

On May 04 2016 09:00 Tubesock wrote:


Do you think Dr. Pepper is scummy? I know you said "if he did that it's susp." or something, but I'd like to hear what exactly you think he did that was scummy.

On May 04 2016 09:02 Tubesock wrote:
Shape, what's "Banana o Warlus"?

On May 04 2016 13:44 Etellex wrote:


I'm familiar with casualized forms of Mafia like Town of Salem where there's a lot less reading into what people say and more logic/evidence. I've been quiet because I'm at a loss for what to go off of for suspicion.

On May 04 2016 14:45 RiceyKins wrote:
Mig hasn't said a word since the game started where Dr.P has said one thing and hasn't come back. If the discussion is about which inactive player we believe should be lynched I'll go with Dr.P because he's clearly been here and made a decision not to continue but Mig is a ? and I can deal with waiting to see. It's not a great situation either way but if we're picking between the two I'd lynch Dr.P.

And yeah I think it looks rehearsed. 18 hours into the game where neither of you have shown up "Oh man JAT hasn't posted yet he must be sick!" 5 minutes later "Ha Ha oh Marv I just came back from the doctor cause I'm sick". If you don't think that's some oddly good timing and an insane coincidence idk Considering there's almost nothing else to mention about the two of you to this point yeah its suspect. You also don't have to be lying about coming back from the doctor, it's very possible Marv knew and just waited for you to be around to put on a show.

On May 04 2016 10:31 Fazers wrote:
To address your questions:

I want to lynch Killing possibly, he's making a bit of noise. I guess activity is pretty good early on to form
initiative, but a lot of bold accusations imo.

I don't care about people who are inactive in this game so far. It's been a little quiet.

I have a strong opinion about Shapelog - imo he's a strong player from my observations. Thus I will not vote to lynch him on Day 1. However, that may change as days pass.

On May 04 2016 11:09 Fazers wrote:
Yeah I was just throwing it out there. I don't actually have any determination to make sure Killing gets lynched. However, why are the accusations not bold? He's making reads off such little information. He even admits he may sound like an idiot for not like a few posters on his list...it's baseless.

Activity and making reads though is definitely awesome on his part though!

On May 04 2016 10:10 Fazers wrote:
Nah @Tubesock
I legit didnt know what Clan FaZe meant so I had no idea what it was in reference too ^^

(I know what a pun is) :D

On May 04 2016 22:19 justanothertownie wrote:

Don't tell me you think that of all the* things that are* suspicious about him. That that takes the cake*?

On May 04 2016 22:22 RiceyKins wrote:
I'm not smurfing to hide my main. JAT asked and I answered it's that simple. I don't think it's really relevant.

On May 04 2016 22:29 Killing wrote:
Shape I like you more than yesterday, when I didn't like you. I'm just keeping you updated but at the same time confused by my wording.

On May 04 2016 22:39 Killing wrote:


N0t3d

On May 04 2016 22:45 Killing wrote:


It makes you feel like hitting women? That's dark bro.....

On May 04 2016 10:31 Fazers wrote:
To address your questions:

I want to lynch Killing possibly, he's making a bit of noise. I guess activity is pretty good early on to form
initiative, but a lot of bold accusations imo.

I don't care about people who are inactive in this game so far. It's been a little quiet.

I have a strong opinion about Shapelog - imo he's a strong player from my observations. Thus I will not vote to lynch him on Day 1. However, that may change as days pass.

On May 04 2016 22:55 Fazers wrote:
I am suspect of Killing but have no good reasons to confirm my suspicion he is scum. Id rather him alive than an inactive who hasnt made even one post


..

Its hard for me to care.about inactives when they have made no contributions. I didnt mean to say I dont care about inactives such that I would not kill them. That was poor wording on my part. Sorry!

On May 04 2016 23:08 Fazers wrote:
I never said it makes him scummy.

And to address your question I don't think his posts afterwards were scummy. At the very least the initial posts he made caught my attention.

I'm not out to get the guy, just attempted to make a read myself with what little we have! Thanks!

To address your questions:

I want to lynch Killing possibly, he's making a bit of noise. I guess activity is pretty good early on to form
initiative, but a lot of bold accusations imo.

Yeah I was just throwing it out there. I don't actually have any determination to make sure Killing gets lynched. However, why are the accusations not bold? He's making reads off such little information. He even admits he may sound like an idiot for not like a few posters on his list...it's baseless.

Activity and making reads though is definitely awesome on his part though!

On May 04 2016 23:13 Fazers wrote:
I want to lynch him possibly. Why do you guys assume I want to get this man killed?

Just doing what I can to contribute lol, now I look like a fool.

On May 04 2016 23:16 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
ya leave poor fazers alone you guys.

On May 04 2016 23:17 justanothertownie wrote:

Stop it Kush.
If you start defending him now he'll most likely get lynched.

On May 04 2016 23:30 Fazers wrote:
Shapelog: Currently, NO!!!! Let's make that clear! Lol.

Anyways I'll be checking in periodically throughout the day. At work during 830-530 in the office EST so I can't guarantee quick replies. Thanks!

On May 04 2016 23:32 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
I think I found the scum.
Scumlist 1.0
Mig Tea
Etellex Roducmoius
DrPepper the Pepper
Palmar the Muscle

On May 04 2016 23:43 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


He words it well, but that doesn't make him town.

In Town of Salem peopel don't talk?

On May 04 2016 23:48 Palmar wrote:
Yeah im not gonna be back today sorry

Ill throw my vote on someone at some point but it'll just be guesswork or sheeping.

The only thought I have is the Marv JAT banter early in the game looked ok. Or rather neither of them looked very off or strange.

On May 05 2016 00:08 Fazers wrote:

Correct.

On May 04 2016 23:13 Fazers wrote:
I want to lynch him possibly. Why do you guys assume I want to get this man killed?

Just doing what I can to contribute lol, now I look like a fool.

On May 05 2016 00:07 Rels wrote:
Day 1 Votecount

Tubesock (2): marvellosity, Alakaslam
Palmar (going to be afk) (1): nnn_thekushmountains
Etellex (AFK) (1): Alakaslam, Tubesock
RiceyKins (1): Killing
Mig (AFK) (1): Fazers

Not Voting (7): Mig (AFK), Etellex(AFK), DrParnassus(AFK), justanothertownie, RiceyKins, Palmar (going to AFK), Shapelog

On May 05 2016 00:41 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Here's Tubesock's filter from nutcracker,his last scumgame:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499399-tl-mafia-lxxiii-the-nutcracker?user=Tubesock

On May 05 2016 00:52 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
palmar plynch lookin better and better, amirite?

On May 05 2016 01:04 Tubesock wrote:


It was a really nice WoT though! Not as nice as the one where you tracked TicTock though...

On May 05 2016 01:37 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:

then we lynch.

On May 05 2016 01:41 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
In game really isn't the place to discuss strategy.

On May 05 2016 01:45 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:

in the qt

On May 05 2016 01:46 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
i mean postgame

On May 05 2016 01:49 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
if they are mafia it's not 1-1, because the PR doesn't CC them right away.
their lynch is simply delayed.
ANYWAY POSTGAME

On May 05 2016 01:51 Shapelog wrote:


It still is 1v1, even if they CC later, mafia can kill them (assuming nothing stops them.)

On May 05 2016 01:56 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


POSTGAME..but I can't help myself!
It's not really 1v1 because the real pr will get revealed either by nk or revealing himself due for some reason or mylo when claiming doesn't matter.

On May 05 2016 02:00 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
no

On May 05 2016 02:02 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
shape vote someone?

On May 05 2016 02:47 Mig wrote:
Where are kush and JAT now!

Shape I have posted who are you going to vote for?

On May 05 2016 02:35 Mig wrote:
quick thoughts

Kush, you have been the most active player in the game I assume you must have a scum read on someone? Policy lynching palmar is pointless.

JAT, your filter is 20% of the total game and I dont see you calling anyone a scum really? Seems weird for you. As a town I would expect you to be giving a stronger opinion on things. So far I don't really see any hard headed JAT opinions that I would expect from someone who cared about finding scum.

Marv lean town just based on his super weak defense of etellex. Guy wasnt under any pressure seemed pointless to defend him as mafia especially when it is just a feel defense and going to draw more attention to yourself. Especially if he is going to put 0 effort in just seems like a weird thing for him to even bother posting as mafia.

Riceykins/JAT odds of them both being mafia are super small. Hard to explain but attacking someone for having a rehearsed entrance is a really weird thing for mafia to go after each other for. I just dont remember ever seeing it that often, especially if riceykins is new.

Tubesock, entrance felt really weird to me. Overly forced/jokey. A lot of random questions to people with 0 follow up. And none of the questions seem to really impact his reads. Seems way more confident marv is scum but still voting etellex? I still have to read the nutcracker filter.

Fazers - Weird, his thinking is completely nonsensical. Doesnt appear to actually care about finding scum?


This is weird also, unnecessary buddying up when shape hasnt done anything.

Right now I would be fine lynching any of JAT/tube/faze. Probably JAT #1 unless he actually contributes something. Feels like JAT is around a lot but just commenting on the side as things go on and not actually doing anything. A lot of fake activity.

On May 05 2016 03:24 Mig wrote:
So I have read tubesock's nutcracker and storm games.

So the questions going nowhere doesnt seem to be really alignment indicative, he did it in both games. But during his mafia game he was a lot quicker to give out his town reads.

Tube's first post as town in storm

+ Show Spoiler +

Immediately gives a scum read, lists town reads but they are secondary. He never really gives a town list again throughout the game. He also went by his own opinion and voted the guy he had a scum read on.

First post in nutcracker, immediately gives a town read and buddys up to someone. Notice he gives himself an opportunity to bandwagon his lynch target.

+ Show Spoiler +

He then follows up by following the bandwagon and voting rels with koshi. And later on making a large post listing his town reads

This game he immediately buddys up with kush, then buddys up to slam (putting slam on multiple town read/ no lynch lists why?) And then immediately hops on slams bandwagon and votes etellex (very similar to how he did in nutcracker as mafia) It appears his strongest mafia read is marv but he hasnt made any attempt to actually lynch him.

I am good with a tubesock lynch

##vote Tubesock

On May 05 2016 03:30 Fazers wrote:
@Shapelog: He makes better reads than I do

@Etellex: I stated a few pages back that 8:30 AM - 5:30 PM I am working (full time) so while I am on a computer, my time to browse TL is quite limited. Also, welcome to the game! :D

On May 05 2016 03:28 Etellex wrote:
I've made some observations but I'm very inexperienced so take them with a grain of salt, I suppose, and don't interpret them as accusations.

Faze seems to be jumping around a bit in what our whom he discusses and dropping a lot of conversations.

Mig is either town or very good scum, and from his somewhat pushy and productive tone I'm leaning town.

On May 05 2016 03:55 Mig wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Format thing is definitely much lesser, but if you look at how he formatted his town list as mafia it is the same way he formatted it here and different than when he formatted it in his town game. Obviously this is pretty minor though. The buddying thing is a lot stronger. As town he formed his own read and went with it, as mafia he just named a town read and bandwagoned which is what he is doing this game.

Kush- its day 1 obviously no read is 100% but I think the case against tube is stronger than anything anyone else has.

On May 05 2016 05:32 Tubesock wrote:
Yeah, you'd think his partners would be trying to give him posts or some reads or something.

On May 05 2016 05:38 justanothertownie wrote:

So who do we lynch in your opinion?

On May 05 2016 03:28 Etellex wrote:
I've made some observations but I'm very inexperienced so take them with a grain of salt, I suppose, and don't interpret them as accusations.

Faze seems to be jumping around a bit in what our whom he discusses and dropping a lot of conversations.

Mig is either town or very good scum, and from his somewhat pushy and productive tone I'm leaning town.

On May 05 2016 01:11 Etellex wrote:
Hey guys, I apologize for not posting nearly enough. I didn't expect there to be this much activity in terms of discussion, making me pretty overwhelmed. I'm going to take an hour or so later today to catch up on reading the thread so I can get a proper grasp on what's going on in the game. Again, I am very sorry for my inactivity and I will fill everything I can to both check and post to the thread more often from here on out. Cheers.

On May 05 2016 03:51 Etellex wrote:


Thank you for the welcome and explanation. I'm also in a bit of a fragmented schedule so I'm sort of scrambling for any evidence on anyone to base an informed vote off of.

On May 04 2016 13:44 Etellex wrote:


I'm familiar with casualized forms of Mafia like Town of Salem where there's a lot less reading into what people say and more logic/evidence. I've been quiet because I'm at a loss for what to go off of for suspicion.

On May 04 2016 13:37 Etellex wrote:
I'm not posting because I've been incompetent. I've not been sure what or when to post because I'm not familiar with this particular format of mafia.

On May 05 2016 05:40 Tubesock wrote:


what?

On May 05 2016 05:49 Etellex wrote:
I'm not too afraid to post, I just don't have any new information to present. Furthermore, I have a tight schedule and this is going to have to be my last post and thus I am forced to cast my vote now. I trust Mig's judgment and arguments. See you tomorrow.

##vote: tubesock

On May 05 2016 05:52 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
ill vote anyone to save Tubesock because i townread him now for reasons I cannot presently enumerate.

I would like to vote thrawn or etellex

On May 05 2016 05:56 Tubesock wrote:
GG.

Mig are you into airplanes? Is that your handle?

On May 05 2016 05:57 Mig wrote:
I am sticking on tube after his gg post

On May 05 2016 21:10 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


To be fair, you can't really be distracted from doing nothing.

On May 04 2016 22:15 Shapelog wrote:

Your first post of content on TL. Gratz.

Keeping your options on me open I see. Idk, how I am a strong player, but w/e. What Necessary is your opinion on me (I am guessing it relates to the game, and is not he is a strong player)

But also gj. Most of the time, as scum, I just get a free pass. However, by the laws of pushing, you will now be forced to read me at EOD (deadline) today.

About Killing,


Technically it is not, it is a feel read. Basically a feel read can be true or false, and as a video mafia player, it makes sense for him to be doing so.

I kinda do not understand your read on him as well. As you say something you like from him, yet are sus. of him. And kinda do the same thing he did, which is what you find sus. in him.

On May 06 2016 02:02 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
It's been along time since Mig has played with Marv. Marv definitely cares less now than he used to.

I'd say Marv is his normal level of slightly trolly.

Shapelog, your thinking is that him being more or less trolly than usual means he's scum?

On May 06 2016 03:56 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Shape why are you scared of me? Is it because I am the foremost expert on Shapelog alignment, having done extensive studies and interviews on the matter?

On May 06 2016 04:27 Mig wrote:


I havent played in a year so cant really speak to how current marv is. In the past when I played with him tho he certainly put in more effort than he is here. As for trolly I dont see him trolling here really just playing really half assed.

On May 06 2016 05:01 Fazers wrote:

I have no reads on you, except you are suspicious of me which I can totally understand. My reasonings for Killing were a bit weak and nonsensical looking back.

I'm a bit skeptical of Etellex though, I think that his reasonings are even worse than mine. At least I tried...his really has no substance.

On May 04 2016 10:31 Fazers wrote:
To address your questions:

I want to lynch Killing possibly, he's making a bit of noise. I guess activity is pretty good early on to form
initiative, but a lot of bold accusations imo.

I don't care about people who are inactive in this game so far. It's been a little quiet.

I have a strong opinion about Shapelog - imo he's a strong player from my observations. Thus I will not vote to lynch him on Day 1. However, that may change as days pass.

On May 06 2016 05:12 Fazers wrote:
@Mig, Unlike Etellex, who posted




I didn't want to vote for Tubesock without reason. At that point in time, he was clearly going to be the one to be lynched with how much time was left. I feel Etellex vote is based simply by following the majority. Scum blending in with town?

On May 06 2016 05:24 Fazers wrote:

No I am saying that Etellex voting for Tubesock can be seen has a scum blending in with the town, because Tubesock had the majority on luck. Where do I mention at all people voting for Etellex???


@Shapelog no I have not...Perhaps I can take a look.
Regardless, just because I think you're a strong player = / = you not scum. I never said I'd leave you out of my lynch pool

On May 06 2016 05:30 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
@Fazers
You voted Mig for being afk. He came back from afk and was quite active. You saw that. Why didn't you change your vote to someone who was afk or someone you thought was scummy?

On May 06 2016 05:32 Shapelog wrote:

He already said this,

On this page.

Are you done parroting Mig?

On May 06 2016 05:03 Mig wrote:
Fazers why did you just leave your vote on me and not switch? You posted after I did but still didnt change.

On May 06 2016 05:27 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
@fazers
ok. So why didn't you put your vote on etellex rather than mig?

On May 06 2016 05:30 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
@Fazers
You voted Mig for being afk. He came back from afk and was quite active. You saw that. Why didn't you change your vote to someone who was afk or someone you thought was scummy?

On May 06 2016 05:44 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
ya my bad lol. sorry fazer. that reasoning for keeping your vote on mig is pretty bad but it fits with your newbie town persona decently.

On May 06 2016 05:48 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
@shapelog. I thought you were afraid because you were afk for the last several hours mostly. lol I know how dumb that is.
also because where's the interaction between us! You care about what fazer has to say but not me. Either you don't love me anymore or you are scum and fear that our intimacy will give you away. And I choose to believe the latter, if only so my fragile self-worth won't be shattered.

On May 06 2016 06:04 Damdred wrote:
Nothing interesting happened last night. The rampant violence that plagued our city did now show up!

On May 06 2016 06:06 marvellosity wrote:
i'm now confirmed town

thank you please

On May 06 2016 06:07 marvellosity wrote:

hard claiming no take backsies

On May 06 2016 06:17 marvellosity wrote:

i'm a terrible save because i've done nothing and my play is suspcious on its own

so if i'm town and palmar is mafia i should be a very safe shot and i am by far the biggest danger to palmar getting lynched

On May 06 2016 06:23 marvellosity wrote:

what's your point? i don't even get what you're trying to say

On May 06 2016 06:24 marvellosity wrote:
if kush was saved it was by JK which means it's setup A which means either the JK or tracker can cc me immediately for a free mafia

On May 06 2016 06:26 marvellosity wrote:

i know more about Palmar than anyone else so you can just take my word for anything about him.

On May 06 2016 06:31 marvellosity wrote:
tempted just to townread you shape for your filter length when you seemed to suffer burnout in the game that just finished

On May 06 2016 06:32 marvellosity wrote:

red

On May 06 2016 23:47 justanothertownie wrote:

Why do you townread shape?

On May 07 2016 00:19 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
wait, if you're town and you lynch town, then you're town, right?

On May 07 2016 00:21 justanothertownie wrote:

Null basically. There are a few people I would kill before you (mainly Palmar/Etellex/sandro) but I see 0 reason to townread you.

On May 07 2016 02:03 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


ever win one of those starcraft tournaments?

On May 07 2016 02:13 Killing wrote:


I sure have. Want an autograph?

On May 07 2016 02:16 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:

Talk about?

On May 06 2016 23:53 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Scumlist 2.0

3) Fazers
4) Etellex
5) Sandroba
6) JAT
9) Palmar

On May 07 2016 02:23 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:

Boring and probably pretty wrong.

I townread you, so you should townread me back. I think that's how it's supposed to work.

On May 07 2016 02:28 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


I was just kidding of course. You are welcome back anytime. Please, come back and read my weekly blog. Also, I am hosting/playing in a game that you should join.

On May 07 2016 02:31 justanothertownie wrote:

Interesting in what way?

On May 07 2016 02:32 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
if he's town i mean...
scumslip.

On May 07 2016 02:35 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


No. But as your buddy you have my full attention. So isn't there some question you can ask to help you figure out my alignment?

On May 06 2016 20:14 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


Uh Oh. The towniness..

On May 06 2016 23:53 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Scumlist 2.0

3) Fazers
4) Etellex
5) Sandroba
6) JAT
9) Palmar

On May 07 2016 00:31 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:

it's like, if your scumteam consists of lynchbait, it's probably wrong, because those people look scummy even when they're town.

On May 07 2016 00:22 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


does it concern you that all your scumreads are very low activity?

On May 07 2016 02:26 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Scumlist 2.1
changelog: removed Fazers because I liked his explanation on why he kept his vote on mig

Etellex
Sandroba
JAT (mostly because he plays a good scum game and he hasn't proven himself town yet)
Palmar

On May 07 2016 02:47 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
@shapelog.
in regards to palmar, I changed my mind.
Why? I realized that thinking Killing was scummy actualyl wasn't a result of insight. It was just a very obvious place to go. So it's not townie that Palmar went there.

criticizing jat for doing something I was doing: Um, well not exactly because I had JAT in my possibly scumlist, but kinda. I was trying to goad JAT into mindmelding with me but it didn't really work. I wanted him to say something like "yeah bro, but who else?!"
So that push on JAT wasn't about seeing if he was scummy, rather it was about seeing if he was townie.

On May 07 2016 02:51 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
jat i didn't say those shouldn't be your scumreads. it was more like "do our scumreads worry you? cause they worry me"

On May 07 2016 02:53 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


maybe goading is the wrong word. Maybe the angle I was pushing at there was not effective. But it should be understandable that I was trying to get inside JAT's head. And I was trying to see if it looked like the inside of my own head.

On May 07 2016 02:58 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


My reads are a best guess. I've POEd into that group of people. Maybe I towned someone like Alakaslam prematurely. I don't really have a strong belief that anyone is scum.

I think my list looks too easy. That means it's unlikely but it's still possible. Some games are just easy.

On May 07 2016 03:02 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
I am looking at the game in two different ways here.
One is based on townreads/scumreads. That has produced that list
One is based on the assumption that reads don't count for shit. That has made me skeptical about that list. Because if your picks are the picks that people are statistically the most wrong about, that makes you more likely to be wrong.

On May 07 2016 03:07 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Remember that newbie you rolled scum in. That is me strongly believing something. You see the difference right?

On May 07 2016 03:13 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


well you can't rely on the second approach alone, but it helps you second guess your reads.

Is this helping you get a read on me?

On May 07 2016 03:15 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
just because i vote early doesn't mean im super sure. i think he's the best lynch right now is all.

On May 07 2016 03:15 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
why would voting early necessarily mean I should be super sure?

On May 07 2016 03:20 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:

lack of activity makes him a good plynch
the nk on marv, especially after palmar townread him
nothing townie in what he's saying

On May 07 2016 03:53 Killing wrote:
I thought by default people don't like palmar

On May 07 2016 03:35 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
that seems too risky for alakaslam if palmar is scum.

he gains nothing due to his low influence.
he risks a lot due to the probability that palmar will be lynched.

On May 07 2016 05:19 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


palmar only talks to marv lol.

On May 07 2016 05:32 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
shapelog, will you vote palmar with us though?

On May 07 2016 05:45 sandroba wrote:
So far on page 24 people I like as town are Killing and kush for sure. I kinda cheated ytd and read pages around ~38 too and I know marv claimed vet and there is no real reason I see to doubt it so there are these 3. People I particulartly don't like so far are shape, fazer and ricey. Mostly null on everyone else so far.

On May 06 2016 18:46 Palmar wrote:
you being a pain in the ass makes you less likely to be scum and more likely to be arbitarily punched in the face jat.

pls relax. it's weekend coming, I'm still stuck at unusually worky work things (imagine... having to actually work at work), and I haven't read this game.

On May 07 2016 03:45 Palmar wrote:

not the point though, I know lynching me is a lot of fun, and I hate the fact that I can't be here to do the townie defense.

Like it won't be a satisfying lynch.

On May 06 2016 18:34 Palmar wrote:

As I said, I have been very much afk. I have barely read any people. I opened Etellex's filter yesterday because he seemded to be the alternative to the tubesock lynch.

What I'm currently, roughly, working with is something like this:

Townie
Marv. The shot claim can be instantly counterclaimed if there are blues that contradict the veteran claim. Thus he's got to be town.
Maybe town
JAT. I had him as my biggest townread early on day 1, mostly because he had a lot of activity and didn't sound off. But now he wants to kill me for making jokes that he didn't get, which is meh.
Mig, mostly for tryharding, I haven't gone back and actually read the case on tubesock, or his actual filter but still, sounds like he wants to do things.
Etellex, mostly for just not really sounding like mafia
null
kush. I don't know if his weird fascination with lynching me is just an excuse to actually do things.
Shapelog, not read his filter, just noticed that his preferred way of talking about things this game seems to be to randomly troll whatever conversation is going on. no idea if this is the correct impression or if it actually means anything.

On May 07 2016 00:38 Palmar wrote:
Here's another thing. I think we have to kill sandroba today if he doesn't start doing shit. Given the fact that there was no vigilante shot tonight (unless he was roleblocked?) there is a huge chance we're going to have to spend lynches cleaning up trash.

Sandroba/DrP are very much in the trash category.

On May 07 2016 06:03 sandroba wrote:

What tipped me off was your entrance post. The other game I mostly ignored your posting because you were doing lenghy posts with a lot of fluf, but this game I'm reading them more carefully. So far you have a ton of useless posts with jokes, lists, useless commentary which I find quite similar to the game we played together wich you were scum. I'm gonna look into you town meta next to see what it looks like before I give my final veredict.

On May 08 2016 02:06 sandroba wrote:
Unfortunatelly won't be able to catch up today so I'll leave my vote on marv's wagon. I did a quick scam on palmar's filter and see no reason not to lynch him, so there is that aswell. Hope you guys get it right.
##vote Palmar

On May 07 2016 05:58 sandroba wrote:
Hmm Mig raises a good point about JAT/ricey and JAT in general, but appears instead goes after tube. I see that he is the one who started the whole tube ordeal, and although in hindsight it's easy to disagree with it I don't think he is mafia the way he went about it. He seemed to be one of the few really trying to find a lynch late into day 1, while most others seemed like they didn't care. JAT and Palmar I see both gave excuses as to not being a presence in the thread, but it wouldn't suprise me if at least one of them was mafia. I would honestly clump marv together here but luckly the vet event saved me the trouble of having to think about it.
My town so far mig kush marv killing. I'm kinda starting to come around on ricey. He does sound a bit townie in some of his posts.

On May 07 2016 06:03 sandroba wrote:

What tipped me off was your entrance post. The other game I mostly ignored your posting because you were doing lenghy posts with a lot of fluf, but this game I'm reading them more carefully. So far you have a ton of useless posts with jokes, lists, useless commentary which I find quite similar to the game we played together wich you were scum. I'm gonna look into you town meta next to see what it looks like before I give my final veredict.

On May 08 2016 02:08 sandroba wrote:
Also it looks like people that I am suspicious of are voting on the counter wagon so my vote feels even better.
@killing I think you are town and you should prob move your vote. Etellex dude looks like lynch bait.

On May 08 2016 04:40 Mig wrote:
I dont mind lynching sandroba. Someone can tell me if I am wrong but from my memory sand was always way more hardcore as town and didnt really like being mafia. I mean replacing in doing nothing then making the excuse that he forgot he was in the game feels like such bs. Who replaces and forgets in the span of less than a day.

Palmar if the correct lynch is sandroba why are you voting killing?

On May 08 2016 05:00 Alakaslam wrote:
Stay the course. Too often when I feel this way I am right.


You fools remind me why I troll.

##Vote: Etellex

On May 08 2016 05:02 Alakaslam wrote:
What's funny is a lot of people seem to agree with me but now they are sheeping the bandwagon on a strong player they don't recognize as having "done anything" when he actually has.

"What has he done slam?"

Oh STFU and get out. If I told you you would say that it didn't answer your question.

On May 08 2016 05:12 Rels wrote:
Day 2 Votecount

Palmar (6): marvellosity, nnn_thekushmountains, justanothertownie, Mig, sandroba, RiceyKins
Etellex (3): RiceyKins, Fazers, Killing, Alakaslam
Killing (1): Palmar

Not Voting (2): Etellex, Shapelog

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Day 2 ends Saturday, May 07 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .
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On May 08 2016 03:09 Etellex wrote:


Right now nothing I say holds water because of all the suspicion on me, so first I want to establish that I am in fact not scum before doing anything crazy. As for Kush, I do now think he's town.

What is an interesting possibility is that Palmer actually is scum and when he is revealed it will appear obvious that I am, despite being town. I don't know why someone would go through all that trouble to kill someone who's going to get lynched anyways so I don't think this is 100% the case but in case he does turn out to be mafia I want to have this on record.

On May 08 2016 05:38 RiceyKins wrote:
yeah from what I gathered from it that's what he meant Shape.

On May 08 2016 05:43 Palmar wrote:
I'm sorry guys, I had less time to play this game and apparently I would have needed a lot of time to play on day 2.

good luck

changing to sandroba because it seems like that lynch might be my only possible saving wagon.

##vote sandroba

Now, I don't mean to be selfish or anything, but I'd love it if sandroba was died instead of me. That'd be fantastic. I just think I'm more fun to keep around.

On May 08 2016 05:50 RiceyKins wrote:


hm? I thought Etellex just meant that because Palmar has been buddying him somewhat that if Palmar flipped scum it would seem like it would implicate him further and he didn't understand why he would bother doing it considering an Etellex lynch was possible anyway. I could be wrong but I think that's what he was saying.

On May 08 2016 05:51 Mig wrote:
Back, we sticking on this palmar death train to jumping to the kill sandroba express?

On May 08 2016 05:52 Palmar wrote:
Feel the urge to last minute voteswitch guys, it's literally NEVER a bad idea to do so

On May 08 2016 05:55 Alakaslam wrote:

Which toon?

On May 08 2016 05:57 Palmar wrote:
all this hate for me.

anyway, this is the genuine sorry post.

I basically got pulled into doing a lot of overtime at work. I wasn't meant to be part of this project we're doing but I got pulled in and I'm literally working 12+ hours a day here. I'm currently at work, just taking a break. I figured it'd be ok because sometimes I'm not that active, but I guess with the situation on day 2 I kinda needed to be more active than I have been.

So yeah, good luck.

On May 08 2016 06:08 RiceyKins wrote:
three cheers for Marv <3

On May 08 2016 04:56 Shapelog wrote:
I have a question.

Sands vote right? Reasoning bold and +

His read on me.

Does anyone else feel weird about this? Somethings feels off to me in this, yet I cannot firmly say what it is.

It is like he has a stronger read on me than palmar. It could just be him voting for realistic wagon, and like he says later:

BUt then, if you look back at the reasoning (the big quoted post) He was comeing about on Ricey, still sus. on fazer, and Town on Killing. Interpet what you want on Rice, but he makes it sound that he finds townie things in his latest posts.

So, wouldn't that mean only 1 person he is sus. of is voting the counter wagon as well?

On May 08 2016 07:34 Alakaslam wrote:


We all now must recognize townmarv is in that picture.

We must very humbly ask whether there is any merit to lynching Etellex? Let it be done as Marv would say, whether yea or nay

On May 11 2016 01:32 Alakaslam wrote:

I already said Etellex kush or I am baffled

On May 11 2016 05:29 justanothertownie wrote:
nah, his ego is large enough as is.

On May 11 2016 05:55 justanothertownie wrote:
Call me biased but I prefered gumshoes JAT facts.

On May 11 2016 06:02 Mig wrote:
I gotta be like 99% confirmed town at this point unless I decided to bus both my teammates and then try to battle it out solo against everyone. Which I am way too lazy as mafia to ever do.

On May 11 2016 06:03 Mig wrote:
Assuming they survive the night cop should just claim and at least eliminate one possibility

On May 05 2016 06:00 Rels wrote:
Day 1 Final Votecount

Tubesock (4): marvellosity, Alakaslam, Mig, Alakaslam, Etellex
Etellex (4): Alakaslam, Tubesock, justanothertownie, nnn_thekushmountains, Shapelog, RiceyKins
DrParnassus (1): RiceyKins, Tubesock
RiceyKins (1): Killing
Mig (1): Fazers
Palmar (0): nnn_thekushmountains
nnn_thekushmountains (0): Alakaslam
Fazers (0): nnn_thekushmountains

Not Voting (2): DrParnassus (sand), Palmar

On May 08 2016 06:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Final Day 2 Votecount

Palmar (6): marvellosity, nnn_thekushmountains, justanothertownie, Mig, sandroba, RiceyKins, Shapelog
Etellex (3): RiceyKins, Fazers, Killing, Alakaslam
Sandroba (2): Palmar, Shapelog
Killing (1):Palmar, Etellex