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Alright, the vig claim (which I'll believe) - I'll reconstruct.
##unvote
I'm concerned for GB, not only just as a solo vote, but if you look at his questions to Damdred in night phase, it appears to such like a combination of buddying and abdication of blame (he was a solo voter but tried to guilt Damdred for not realising the wagon wasn't hitting mafia).
Also look at whom he suggested - Koshi/gumshoe/LS. I am still somewhat leery with Koshi (pending re-read of his most recent posts - I'm not fully caught up), but he doesn't seem to be going anywhere with anything.
The biggest indicator of an associative read between GlowingBear and SL might be Day 1, look at how the SL read just DROPS from post 142 to 253 and after. And considering how SL pushed me and that GB didn't put me on his post-lynch suspicion list (recap: it was Koshi/LS/gumshoe), it is quite suspicious.
Post requoted:
On April 21 2016 02:11 GlowingBear wrote:
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Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts
He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because:
1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game
2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all.
Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective
On April 22 2016 03:04 GlowingBear wrote:
I know the case on SL isn't the strongest. Although I think his attitude was suspicious, I only wanted to keep developing discussion. I also like to push a target in a way everything is explained in details, whatever slignment he is, because I think mafia has a hard time covering all aspects of their stories. Regardless if a post is NAI or AI, a hard push will almost always reveal inconsistencies if the player's intention is made up
Some feedback on that would be nice.
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I also noticed one minor mistake in last night's reconstruct, so I'll re-colour with Tumbleweed in blue...
Shapelog I feel from pure voting is unlikely to be mafia, otherwise he was in the process of engineering a sick bus on sicklucker. IDK. I need to double check that read progression.
Vote Reconstruction v2
2124, approx 2h prior to EoD
On April 22 2016 05:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
LightningStrike (2) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
DoYouHas (2) - Koshi, Tumblewood
Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Koshi (1) - sicklucker
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
Not voted (5) - Shapelog, DoYouHas, Damdred, gumshoe, Fecalfeast
2244, approx 45m prior to EoD - sicklucker was the hammer
On April 22 2016 06:44 Hapahauli wrote:
Sicklucker (3) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog
LightningStrike (2) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
DoYouHas (2) - Koshi, Tumblewood
Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Koshi (1) - sicklucker
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (1) - Gumshoe
Not Voting (1) - DoYouHas
2315, or 15m to EoD - sickucker STILL the lynch with most votes
DISCLAIMER: I reconstructed from here on out with strikethroughs this vote from the voting thread - call me out if I've made a mistake.
Sicklucker (4) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe
Fecalfeast (3) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred
LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Koshi (1) - sicklucker
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (0) - Gumshoe
Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas
DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood
2316, or 14m to EoD - gumshoe effectively hammers FF
Fecalfeast (4) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe
Sicklucker (3) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe
LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Koshi (1) - sicklucker
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (0) - Gumshoe
Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas
DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood
2327, or 3m to EoD - Town pile on FF
Fecalfeast (6) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog
Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sicklucker
LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (0) - Gumshoe
Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas
Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast
DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood
Koshi (0) - sicklucker
Sicklucker (0) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe
2330 - End of Day 1
Fecalfeast (5) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog
Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sicklucker, Damdred
LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas
Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast
Koshi (1) - sicklucker, sicklucker
DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood
Sicklucker (0) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe
TicTock (0) - Gumshoe
So looking at this, I am a bit worried, I still have my phobias from Day 1 on Koshi but I got a WIFOM feeling from gumshoe's last posts. I think there's one mafia between Koshi/gumshoe based on the Fecalfeast wagon.
Fidei had been all over the shop with his reads, but I gotta re-read him.
From votes alone, Shapelog is looking better but I need to see whether shit is off between him and sicklucker. I know sicklucker commented jack all on him, it was all about me.
DYH - I will put questions to him in another post. He's just posted too little and we just need more informations from him.
Tictock, if mafia is a sleeper mafia...but I'm doubting it based on the quality of his posts. I'm doubting it at the moment. I'll re-read that filter that to be sure.
For now, it's one of in Koshi/gumshoe as mafia.
Fidei needs a review, Shapelog needs a review for filter.
There is one mafia somewhere in DYH/GlowingBear.
Tictock and LS I am thinking are town.
This is where I stand atm.
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If I absolutely had to pick a mafia between gumshoe and Koshi....right now? I'd say gumshoe.
One additional point from the votes against gumshoe is the 2315 mark - where gumshoe is the 4th vote when sicklucker is the lynch in a 3:3 tie (voting thread) by a 6 minute spread (Damdred switched to FF). A late vote like that indicates he could have been bussing sicklucker, and these posts don't help that position.
On April 22 2016 07:14 gumshoe wrote:
I kinda get the feel sl doesn't care about this game, normally when you have scum mates your kinda invested / : as you let down your team when you scrub it up.
Ff is the better choice methinks.
On one hand this is a bad reason to townread or eliminate SL from contention even ignoring SL's meta, which I'll make the assumption gumshoe didn't know.
Big list post he's nulling SL day 1. No interaction after SL's re-entry. Not much in the night phase....
If they are both town, then we have a real problem on our hands because that would mean Shapelog is playing really well or all the mafia voted off wagon.
And vig being an investigative role means we most likely do not have a DT as our second role. It's possible but not likely.
DYH - questions for you.
I'm reading your filter. Your latest reads:
On April 23 2016 07:28 DoYouHas wrote:
Shape - We'll be getting into this more today, but my original reasons for voting him are still good and he is likely scum.
Koshi - I want to say Koshi's active and aggressive style is town. But he jumped up and down on me for valid points against Shape. He jumped up and down on HtS for the null read of FF while ignoring things I thought pointed to her being town. I don't think we get into the EoD we had without at least 1 scum in the movers and shakers. (Koshi, HtS, Damd, and maybe TT) Koshi pushed the lynch of 2 town for sure and probably 3. He is attacking town, leading lynches on town and after being proven wrong on FF he still wants to off HtS instead of stepping back and reassessing. Thinking he could be scum.
HTS - She seems focused and productive. I like the way she pursued her scumreads on LS and TW early. She isn't getting mad at all the pressure thrown her way, trying to talk to people. Last time I caught her as scum she used her higher activity to spread suspicion on lots of the town and then letting others take up her ideas and run with them. She isn't doing that here. Only her EoD vote leaves doubt for me. According to NM HtS voting off her main targets to lynch someone scumming her is a big tell. I'm still going with my gut and thinking she is town.
Fid - I'm pretty familiar with Fid's scum game. I don't think this is it. Scum fid would be even less active than he has been here. He wouldn't be shying away from getting into it with LS like we are seeing here. The well-documented troubles that Fid has with LS would be a great excuse to fake activity without producing content. I also don't think we would see that drunk post from scum Fid.
SL - I'm putting off making a decision on him. I don't have strong feelings either way and he promised more activity today.
Damdred - Cautiously optimistic.
Gumshoe - Cautiously optimistic.
LS - dunno
TW, GB, TT havent gotten to yet
I see we're on the same page re: Koshi, prob Fidei.
Admittedly a point against you is that there was zero interaction between you and sicklucker, either way.
(1) Do you think Shape's voting patterns make him less likely mafia in your eyes? Or are you seeing something in those too that I might be not? (Anyone else?)
(2) We're going to need you to weigh in on GlowingBear and gumshoe.
I gotta AFK again. I'll finish thoroughly reading later today or tonight...
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EBWOP from #519,
That should have read to DYH
"I see we're on the same page with Koshi, prob not Fidei"
the filter re-reads are on my to-do list....
And LS, I'm going through your filter, you haven't really produced too much in the way of new reads or scumteam proposals.
Mind commenting on
(1) GlowingBear
(2) Koshi
(3) DYH
(4) Fidei
(5) gumshoe
With respect to voting patterns and/or generally reading them
I'm aware the associative shit might be hard so stick to the first two unless you want to crack it...
Now I really gotta roll. Really wish I wasn't so damned pressed for time these days.
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On April 24 2016 02:31 GlowingBear wrote:
HTS, since you're basing your reads mostly on VCA, why do you think there is mafia between me and DYH?
I'm trying to isolate those on the FF wagon, and those who were solo voters, and then using other (non-voting) criteria to eliminate or townread or whatever.
I'm of the working theory that of the two remaining mafia, there was one mafia that was on FF and one mafia that was a solo voter.
"Between you and DYH" implies that of the solo voters, you two are lookign like the most mafia to me, not that any interactions between you and DYH means one of you is mafia. Sorry for the confusion.
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On April 24 2016 04:17 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +2327, or 3m to EoD - Town pile on FF
Fecalfeast (6) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog
Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sicklucker
Sicklucker (1) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe
LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (0) - Gumshoe
Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas
Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast
DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood
Koshi (0) - sicklucker HTS, why did you say "town pile on FF"
I'm referring to the fact that most people on Fecalfaest are town, I was working with the theory that one person on that wagon is mafia, one was in the solo voters, and one was pushing my lynch (which was true in sicklucker).
It is collectively a town pile on.
Tictock, I missed your question. Re: LS, I continued reading his filter into how he kept pushing me and why. He also really believed in his case, and the manner in which he's been tunnelled and the fact no one is really step in makes me think our clash was town on town.
I know conversationally he's not a town leader type player though, so I am dealing with LS atm in the way I know how.
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On April 24 2016 04:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Day 2: gumshoe (2) - Tictock, gumshoe, KoshiTumblewood (1) - Half the Sky, Koshi, Tictock, gumshoeKoshi (1) - GlowingBear Shapelog (1) - Koshi Not voted (5) - Shapelog, Fidei86, DoYouHas, Tumblewood, LightningStrike At the current vote, gumshoe is slated to be lynched.
until deadline.
On April 24 2016 01:59 Half the Sky wrote:
##unvote
Just saying...
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On April 24 2016 02:54 Tictock wrote:
I'm at work so not gunna bother with quotes atm.
I really don't have a read on DYH so I glanced at his filter. I noticed he never really gave a read on SL till his list post at night and even then he basically just said he didn't want to make a read yet. Could very well be lurking mafia but I'd place him closer to a null read based on a few of his posts having decent thinking.
@HtS what made you change your mind on LS?
Idk about Shape, need to give a proper look at his filter (actually I'm not sure if I've even bothered to open his yet). On the one hand my gut read is leaning town but the quality of his posts feels a little lacking and are reminiscent of his play later on as scum in Storm. HtS's point about his vote on SL is decent, but I don't think it's as strong as she is making it out to be.
Think thats all for now.
I just read Shapelog's filter for testing the waters against an associative read between Shapelog and sicklucker. Going to be honest here, it looks pretty damn organic to me.
It's possible he's made a sick bus though, and one can argue if it was clear sicklucker was going to half ass the game Shapelog could try and buy the cred.
Doublechecking timestamps, Shapelog's first anti-sicklucker post comes in at 6h20 prior to EoD:
On April 22 2016 01:10 Shapelog wrote:SaltShaker Kinda debating putting him in the scum lean cat. (I did) I would expect him to do more after saying most people are going to wait to post (his 3rd post.) Also this post really doesn't give much if you look at it: Show nested quote +Dont want to lynch Ls hes so cute and trying hard
Ticktock is looking really strong
I do want to lynch koshi but hes probably town. Not sure I can do another koshi game
Gum probably town from what I know about him
FF was not even in the top 3 people for wasting posts early so im not sure why hes being attacked.
Hts seems over defensive but maybe thats just the koshi factor
wish I could read shapelogs posts but luckily he does not have one
I want to lynch gb a lil for this posts A lot of his town reads aren't really explained (TT) and just feels rushed in a way. He is kinda avoids a read on 3 people (talks about FF, but doesn't actually really gives a read, more so on the threads interaction on FF) (HTS statement was pretty none positional) (and I have really no clue what he means on mine lol) He also doesn't seem to go after anyone other than GB. And focuses on GB on his next post.
On April 22 2016 05:53 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 05:45 Damdred wrote:
I'm not sure why SL jeeps somehow avoiding people's lists, he's almost done the least amount in game and hasn't posted in forever.
Besides that I am curious how tumble has such a hard town read on gb in this situation? Agreed with SL. He doesn't seem really here much, and that last post from him wasn't great either.
I'm not seeing a problem there. If Shapelog is mafia, that is one sick bus.
On April 22 2016 06:28 Shapelog wrote:
Yeah this absent from him is pretty damming.
GB, I like his latest posts. And kinda fufilled some sus. form him.
TT, has posted more. Though there is something I need to check.
SL has done nothing really.
I also thought by now that Gum would show up and post by now.
On April 22 2016 06:41 Shapelog wrote:
##Vote: Sicklucker
My reasoning in my list + Still not being here
Might not stay, (as I am still looking at things) but is where my heart is.
I know people called his switch to Fecalfeast very questionable so there's the possibility of him moving OFF a scumbuddy but still that is quite risky as hell for him to commit the way he did....
On April 22 2016 07:10 Shapelog wrote:
Even though he did have sus. towards HTS. i do not understand why he thinks another vote without giving reasoning behind it. FF basically said "no show = vote" yet he is still looking at other lynches. It feels a bit opportunistic, and is really concerning if Sl gets lynched and flips scum. I feel like the first few posts was just him talking to talk, but now his person is getting lynched (other than LS, which by the time he posted the sky comment, was still before he went with damdred.)
On April 22 2016 07:24 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 07:21 Fecalfeast wrote:On April 22 2016 07:10 Shapelog wrote:Hmmm. I do not understand why FF was open to a HTS vote. On April 21 2016 07:10 Fecalfeast wrote:On April 21 2016 07:06 Damdred wrote:On April 21 2016 07:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
LS you're using so many posts just trying to discredit what people say about you rather than trying to find scum. And this is different than every other game how? Anyway I'm going to hedge on hts now until tommorow. It is bothering me sl is getting so little attention especially with his lack of try hard as s um lately. You're right, it's been a while I guess. I'll never pass up a chance to lynch SL, especially if he's being lazy  On April 22 2016 01:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
I would like to vote and lynch sicklucker if he doesn't come back. HTS you're giving me weird tone feels right now it feels like you're talking down to everyone but maybe that's just me having only been awake 10 minutes He hasn't come back. So logic says that SL should be his lynched for today. On April 22 2016 06:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
Pssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
##vote sicklucker
frig off damdred On April 22 2016 06:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
I would vote HTS Even though he did have sus. towards HTS. i do not understand why he thinks another vote without giving reasoning behind it. FF basically said "no show = vote" yet he is still looking at other lynches. It feels a bit opportunistic, and is really concerning if Sl gets lynched and flips scum. I feel like the first few posts was just him talking to talk, but now his person is getting lynched (other than LS, which by the time he posted the sky comment, was still before he went with damdred.) lol so saying that I'd vote SL if he doesn't show up means I am bound to doing that for the rest of the phase? I don't like the way HTS is addressing people and the tone with which I read her posts is different from the way I remember her posting as town. I don't understand why you voted for him, then about 30 mins later (IIRC) when a sky lynch talk happens, you say "i would vote HTS." It doesn't make sense to me.
Nothing seems off about this.
I get he's been underwhelming. But quite frankly a LOT of people have been. It's not a bad argument but I want to see a more robust argument before I lynch someone.
One of the "underwhelming" players is surely mafia.
Like if in these reads someone is seeing something scummy about what Shape has actually posted that I am simply not, let's discuss that.
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Voting gumshoe.
I'll be around in 1h30/2h or so if people want to bounce off ideas on other scumreads and I'll catch up with questions/the thread then.
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I'm here. Catching up now.
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On April 25 2016 05:15 DoYouHas wrote:
@HtS - Why don't you agree with me on Fid. What are you seeing in his play that is scummy that I am not? The only mark I have against him is that he drops off hard as scum and he hasn't posted much recently.
I was trying to figure out his general direction on who he's trying to lynch, besides his dropping off, I'm not clear on whether he's waiting to pick up on a lynch like SL or what....beginning of day 2, his approaches were all over the shop. If you look at page 2 of his filter he doesn't have a clear direction which makes me question whether he's a low activity mafia. Now I see he's trying to figure the game out but at the time I wasn't clear.
On the other hand, you also have Shapelog who hasn't posted hardly dick all this cycle either.
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(This post is mainly aimed at DYH and GB)
On April 25 2016 02:59 GlowingBear wrote:
You see, I have this pool of possible scum: HTS, Koshi and gumshoe. Gumshoe is basically for the hammer and for the martyring which looks bad imo. I'd expect him to fight his lynch with all his might if he was town. But he isn't. Still, I don't really know if he is scum. I'm really uncomfortable.
I still don't trust Koshi. But his explanation to me wasn't that bad. Still, I'd rather prefer his lunch than gunshoe's. I voted more to catch reactions, especially if he was Mafia - I was expecting that Mafia would jump on me for voting gumshoe out of the blue, but it didn't happen. It makes me very uneasy.
HTS posts looks convoluted to me. That assumption that there is certainly a Mafia between the underwhelming is very... Suspicious. Especially if DYH is in fact town. Plus, I remember she kinda defended SL when I first called him out? I'm not sure, but it felt she was trying to soft defend him.
I'm uncomfortable with DYH. His play in here looks very familiar to the last one where he was Mafia with Artanis.
So yes. This is where I'm at.
This post is poor and I'll explain why.
First paragraph first few sentences are obvious, everyone is concluding the same regarding his votes. However giving up versus not giving up is NAI, martyring is GENERALLY done more by town but that is a weak point in comparison to the rest of his gameplay.
The points on me are ignoring the rest of the way in which I'm evaluating people (never mind the fact now I've explained why my posts are deliberately long-winded)
(1) VCA
(2) associative reads with sicklucker (as in interactions)
(3) general thread activity and post to content ratio
(4) consistency of scumreads/read progression
When subtracting the postgame, we have 25 pages from this game and we're nearing the end of day 2. That is actually pretty horrible even in a post-restricted game - and ergo, it is VERY reasonable to conclude that is possible, even LIKELY that one mafia could be hiding in the thread. The reason I singled you and DYH out was that both of you had the least amount of content, the least going forward, were solo voters, and at the time I made that conclusion your probing was all over the place. (referring to the posts that discussed Koshi/gumshoe/LS but at that time you didn't present any further ideas on them.)
So no, my presenting the idea that a mafia (especially when a number of the low-volume posters were ALSO solo voters) has a lower presence somewhere in this game is just the OPPOSITE of scummy.
Also the point about defending SL (soft or hard) is completely false. If there was a specific post you wanted to point out, bring it up, I know I queried him, but I always had the door open to lynching him.
I also had a concern in post 517 that I'll bring up now again - and I think gumshoe even listed it in his case. Of course I got no feedback on it though.
On April 24 2016 01:58 Half the Sky wrote:The biggest indicator of an associative read between GlowingBear and SL might be Day 1, look at how the SL read just DROPS from post 142 to 253 and after. And considering how SL pushed me and that GB didn't put me on his post-lynch suspicion list (recap: it was Koshi/LS/gumshoe), it is quite suspicious. Post requoted: Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 02:11 GlowingBear wrote:
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Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts
He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because:
1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game
2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all.
Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 03:04 GlowingBear wrote:
I know the case on SL isn't the strongest. Although I think his attitude was suspicious, I only wanted to keep developing discussion. I also like to push a target in a way everything is explained in details, whatever slignment he is, because I think mafia has a hard time covering all aspects of their stories. Regardless if a post is NAI or AI, a hard push will almost always reveal inconsistencies if the player's intention is made up Some feedback on that would be nice.
DYH, you said you thought GB was town - what do you think about this plus the case that gumshoe posted?
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On April 25 2016 05:49 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 05:45 Half the Sky wrote:19/40 On April 25 2016 05:15 DoYouHas wrote:
@HtS - Why don't you agree with me on Fid. What are you seeing in his play that is scummy that I am not? The only mark I have against him is that he drops off hard as scum and he hasn't posted much recently. I was trying to figure out his general direction on who he's trying to lynch, besides his dropping off, I'm not clear on whether he's waiting to pick up on a lynch like SL or what....beginning of day 2, his approaches were all over the shop. If you look at page 2 of his filter he doesn't have a clear direction which makes me question whether he's a low activity mafia. Now I see he's trying to figure the game out but at the time I wasn't clear. On the other hand, you also have Shapelog who hasn't posted hardly dick all this cycle either. This is what is eating at me. I was convinced Shape was scum. The sl flip made that less likely. I don't want to drop him from my suspect list, especially since he hasn't said a word for a while, but I don't see him being scum with Koshi.
Lord this is a good point. I might have to start using a spreadsheet at this rate.
The main thing that troubles me about you tbh is you have said a lot about Shape and Koshi (and exclusively Shape most of the game), but little on some of the others save that one list post. If you are town and you are wrong on either one of them, you are effectively giving Tictock, GB, even LS (from your latest perspective) a free pass.
If you are mafia, you are doing a good job of just staying out of suspicion and keeping attention off the right people.
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There have been competing points on this.
To me
Points in Shapelog's favour
(1) Organic read on sicklucker (post 538)
(2) Voting
Points against Shapelog
(1) Koshi's argument that his posting doesn't "scream" town
On April 24 2016 05:14 Koshi wrote:
I have no real reasons to think he is mafia except for the fact he is not really town and there is no real townie anything coming from him. Which I had 2 games ago when he was town. And didn't have when he was mafia. He just looks town by game events when he is mafia. And is town by his posting when he is town.
anyway DOTA tiems
On April 24 2016 07:27 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +So what is the real reason you're voting Shape? Is that because he looks underwhelming or because of that bad meta?
Also, you said you're also voting Shape because people are pretty townie to you. So how am I "meh"? Why are you not willing to vote me? Isn't "meh" basically "underwhelming"?
Which means there are more underwhelming people in the game by your own standards. So why going against Shapelog, who actually posted a lot Day1?
By normal standards, I am kinda underwhelming this game based on my inactivity (and I'm inactive because I've been busy), DYH is also underwhelming. Why are you not talking about them? Why didn't you lynch SL who was pretty much underwhelming day1? Why did you pressured people asking them "why aren't you voting SL"? Well imo Shape is underwhelming and explained the meta read on him. The reason I say he looks ok this game is because he has the vote on sicklucker in his back pocket. But pure based on his posting I think he easily could be mafia.
I don't understand what the inconsistency is. I think Shape is not his townie self (and it has nothing to do with spamming and post restrictions), and I think it could indicate him being mafia in this game and just not being able to give a fuck. I don't know about this other game he is playing in but clearly he made a mistake signing up for this one or he cba to figure out this one. I don't know what the fuck you are doing. But my guts say that you can be like this as town, and for shape it is less likely. That's why my vote was on him.
All that being said. I have not the will to push anything in this game. I am now officially observing while being ingame.
To be fair, no one plays a "perfect" town game, but in the following post, Koshi seems to be making a meta (???) based argument. On this game alone, I feel the voting should give him a pass.
On April 25 2016 05:51 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 05:45 Half the Sky wrote:19/40 On April 25 2016 05:15 DoYouHas wrote:
@HtS - Why don't you agree with me on Fid. What are you seeing in his play that is scummy that I am not? The only mark I have against him is that he drops off hard as scum and he hasn't posted much recently. I was trying to figure out his general direction on who he's trying to lynch, besides his dropping off, I'm not clear on whether he's waiting to pick up on a lynch like SL or what....beginning of day 2, his approaches were all over the shop. If you look at page 2 of his filter he doesn't have a clear direction which makes me question whether he's a low activity mafia. Now I see he's trying to figure the game out but at the time I wasn't clear. On the other hand, you also have Shapelog who hasn't posted hardly dick all this cycle either. Do we think Shape's voting exhonerates him? If he were scum, if he'd managed to be on a wagon on scum that then got overtaken by a town wagon, I don't see why you'd then flip onto a town wagon at the last moment. That's just way too much weird play to make sense from a scum perspective. Unfortunately, that also means that DYH's play makes a lot more sense. So I'm at Town: LS, Shape, TW Confused about their voting right now: Koshi, gumshoe No particular reason to lynch: DYH Not scum as not pushing me???: HTS, TT ??? GB
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On April 25 2016 05:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Day 2: gumshoe (3) - Tictock, gumshoe, Tumblewood, GlowingBear, Half The Sky, Koshi, KoshiKoshi (2) - GlowingBear, DoYouHas, GlowingBear GlowingBear (2) - Koshi, gumshoe Shapelog (0) - KoshiTumblewood (0) - Half the Sky, Koshi, Tictock, gumshoeNot voted (3) - Shapelog, Fidei86, LightningStrike At the current vote, gumshoe is slated to be lynched.
until deadline.
On April 25 2016 05:45 GlowingBear wrote:
ROFL KOSHI why do you not vote people you think is Mafia? You are refusing to vote gumshoe eternally, yet you've just said he looks bad. There was only ONE thing that made you think he was town, but someone pointed out it didn't make the guy town and you agreed it's flimsy
Your play makes no sense in this game, you are a liability to town even if you're town
Yet another bad post.
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I'm stuck. I'm genuinely stuck between gumshoe/Koshi/GB. There's almost certainly one mafia between them, not certainly just their interactions, but I have reasons to scumread all of them. But I can't place them on the same team as each other.
gumshoe looks bad from the voting, the association between him and SL, the End of Day. But yet the points made on GB resonated with me though particularly the association on SL which I brought up way before. God I don't know.
Koshi looks bad from the voting, why day 1 he was focusing on one player and not another - re-read his filter, he brought up some of the lurkers but not Fidei/SL/Shape, day 2 he votes them. But re-reading day 2 I have more concrete reasons for how he's weighing one player against another (post 562 for instance), I know he prioritised Shape over GB but switched to GB . I was able to trace his reasoning (at least better than Damdred's lol) better as to why he was scumreading me. I thought he was bringing up DYH's name out of nowhere but then I saw his reasoning in page 2 of his filter as to why he was suspicious of DYH.
GB - solo wagon day 1, the case on him was good, the SL read dropped completely day 1. And I'm not digging his approach day 2. The points on myself were either false, baseless, or at best he's not reading the thread.
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On April 25 2016 06:46 Fidei86 wrote:
There are so many inactives at the f'ing deadline. It's confusing to me.
I've said before, it makes no sense to me for Koshi and Gumshoe to both come into the thread as the two leading wagons, and then both agree that the other is town and go after someone else. Unless they are both mafia? Am I crazy for this?
If this cycle's play is anything like day 1, it's possible we could have two town wagons, they decide town on town and then try and sort it out.
Shape and DYH are both scaring me.
Tictock said he'd be afk....most of his posts cycle 2 have been anti-Tumbleweed/anti-gumshoe, but it's not productive I think at this juncture to touch/reconsider Tictock UNLESS gumshoe flips green.
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EBWOP - I'm not saying the town on town is what's actually happened, but I'm just saying mafia on mafia isn't the only possibility. I have reasons though to think Koshi just might be town though, so it's making it hard as I just keep reading and re-reading.
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On April 25 2016 06:50 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 06:44 Half the Sky wrote:22/40 On April 25 2016 05:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Day 2: gumshoe (3) - Tictock, gumshoe, Tumblewood, GlowingBear, Half The Sky, Koshi, KoshiKoshi (2) - GlowingBear, DoYouHas, GlowingBear GlowingBear (2) - Koshi, gumshoe Shapelog (0) - KoshiTumblewood (0) - Half the Sky, Koshi, Tictock, gumshoeNot voted (3) - Shapelog, Fidei86, LightningStrike At the current vote, gumshoe is slated to be lynched.
until deadline. On April 25 2016 05:45 GlowingBear wrote:
ROFL KOSHI why do you not vote people you think is Mafia? You are refusing to vote gumshoe eternally, yet you've just said he looks bad. There was only ONE thing that made you think he was town, but someone pointed out it didn't make the guy town and you agreed it's flimsy
Your play makes no sense in this game, you are a liability to town even if you're town Yet another bad post. Yes? What is bad in that post? Care to debunk? Well, I won't be here and I gotta work. I'm okay with the leading wagons, but Koshi will definitely flip Máfia. If stupidity reigns in here, lynch me but please, pretty please, at least lynch Koshi after I die
Koshi has voted gumshoe at least twice, but he's had other reasons to vote other people which are clear in his filter (e.g. Shape)
The way you are framing this does not make him mafia and you are pushing it as if he was because of this.
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On April 25 2016 06:57 Fidei86 wrote:
Dani, how can Shape be mafia. What mafia gets onto a bussing wagon, then stays on it until AFTER another wagon has formed and is hitting town, to get onto the ML. That just makes no sense to me.
DYH though, I could dig. I'm going to re-read his filter again.
I posted the position based on my own posts that the voting and the organic SL read exonerated him. Not lynching Shape today.
It was Koshi that took the anti-Shape position. I just presented both points so you could decide for yourself or if you saw anything different. Just saying.
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