On April 18 2016 05:56 rsoultin wrote: yeah if it's not obvious i think super/tw scumteam is highly likely. not sure on the third
tw not voting for survival doesn't make any sense to me. i can get just feeling like there's no hope i really can but not when the alternative wagon is someone that you say you're scumreading
way more likely super is simply scum with tw and that's why tw didn't vote him but was fine voting gb
personally if i'm the vig i'm always shooting super here...if he's the doc he's useless and at least then we have the information
pretty confident that gum rels jat palmar
are all town
still need to check up on the thing about sl, but basically it amounts to the last time i played in a game where he was scum he told people not to talk at night, too, but i seem to remember him talking at night a lot as town. i could be misremembering though
not sure what it is about ows but i'm hesitant to put him in my town list. maybe it's the response to tumble or maybe it's him being more vocal or maybe it's just general paranoia after down under when i derped on him all the way up to lylo
who knows about oneg. his comment toward super makes me feel a little better about him though
shape and fazers (obv) not really sure...kinda liked shape early for a couple posts, but the "you always vote for survival" thing to tw does make me twitch a little so he doesn't get a firm townread either...just this thing where he's so damn buss happy and i'm having a hard time seeing a world where tw is town here
I 100 percent disagree with super being scum with tumble. Had they both been scum it would have likely been more of an outright bus / : Think about it, if super was bussing tumble, why would he claim? Then tumble dies and hes put in the spotlight and likely dies after if he cant substantiate his blue claim.
This all happened before the gb debacle, (which was total luck if tumble outside of any plan). It is a terrible terrible move, would've been far better to just let things take their course and have the living scummer take cred.
Seriously, super may be scum, but he is 100 percent not scum with tumble because of the heat that claim brings down on him.
one word for you: roleblocker
even so, the bit about tumble calling for a vig onto super / : Also, unlike tumble, super considered tumble scummy and had no problems killing him and doing whatever it took to survive.
This scenario is explained best by tumble being red and super being green.
super- wanted tumble killed, did everything he could to kill him. Motive- It is worth any price to ensure that a scummer gets lynched
tumble- wanted super dead, but as soon it looked like a matter of one of them having to be scum, tumble dodged. Motive- it does not matter if super dies first, a 1 1 trade is never good for scum.
One acts as if the death of the other is worth any cost not only because it will exonerate him, but because for a townie it is absolutely worth it to die if it means a scummer dies too
The other is considering not how to lynch scum, but rather how to prolong his own life / :
see what I'm getting at?
i understand you, gum. i just don't see a point for a scum tw to not lynch a town super any more than i do for a town tw not to lynch a scumread super -shrugs- unless he's just decided to give up as scum, but that's not what the EoD looked like
and obv if super is rb that would explain why he'd be fine bussing and tw would be inclined to try to save him. i really just think they made a mistake
On April 18 2016 05:56 rsoultin wrote: yeah if it's not obvious i think super/tw scumteam is highly likely. not sure on the third
tw not voting for survival doesn't make any sense to me. i can get just feeling like there's no hope i really can but not when the alternative wagon is someone that you say you're scumreading
way more likely super is simply scum with tw and that's why tw didn't vote him but was fine voting gb
personally if i'm the vig i'm always shooting super here...if he's the doc he's useless and at least then we have the information
pretty confident that gum rels jat palmar
are all town
still need to check up on the thing about sl, but basically it amounts to the last time i played in a game where he was scum he told people not to talk at night, too, but i seem to remember him talking at night a lot as town. i could be misremembering though
not sure what it is about ows but i'm hesitant to put him in my town list. maybe it's the response to tumble or maybe it's him being more vocal or maybe it's just general paranoia after down under when i derped on him all the way up to lylo
who knows about oneg. his comment toward super makes me feel a little better about him though
shape and fazers (obv) not really sure...kinda liked shape early for a couple posts, but the "you always vote for survival" thing to tw does make me twitch a little so he doesn't get a firm townread either...just this thing where he's so damn buss happy and i'm having a hard time seeing a world where tw is town here
I 100 percent disagree with super being scum with tumble. Had they both been scum it would have likely been more of an outright bus / : Think about it, if super was bussing tumble, why would he claim? Then tumble dies and hes put in the spotlight and likely dies after if he cant substantiate his blue claim.
This all happened before the gb debacle, (which was total luck if tumble outside of any plan). It is a terrible terrible move, would've been far better to just let things take their course and have the living scummer take cred.
Seriously, super may be scum, but he is 100 percent not scum with tumble because of the heat that claim brings down on him.
I'm on board with this I think.
yeah the reason you're both probably wrong here is simple:
tw's play makes no sense from town. two lynches and the opposite is your scumread you vote your scumread 100% every single time unless you're an idiot. hell even if you're townreading him you should probably do that, but if not at the very least be pushing an opposite lynch
what you guys are saying is that scum couldn't have made a mistake and instead it's more likely that either tumble is doing things that almost never come from town AS town and not voting a scumread OR that he's not voting on town AS scum
i think it's actually really simple and scum just made a mistake here. could i be wrong? sure. i admit it. i really don't think so though, and it makes way more sense then the other two scenarios i just laid out for you
I just agreed with the sentiment that tw and super aren't mafia together, I thought.
On April 18 2016 05:56 rsoultin wrote: yeah if it's not obvious i think super/tw scumteam is highly likely. not sure on the third
tw not voting for survival doesn't make any sense to me. i can get just feeling like there's no hope i really can but not when the alternative wagon is someone that you say you're scumreading
way more likely super is simply scum with tw and that's why tw didn't vote him but was fine voting gb
personally if i'm the vig i'm always shooting super here...if he's the doc he's useless and at least then we have the information
pretty confident that gum rels jat palmar
are all town
still need to check up on the thing about sl, but basically it amounts to the last time i played in a game where he was scum he told people not to talk at night, too, but i seem to remember him talking at night a lot as town. i could be misremembering though
not sure what it is about ows but i'm hesitant to put him in my town list. maybe it's the response to tumble or maybe it's him being more vocal or maybe it's just general paranoia after down under when i derped on him all the way up to lylo
who knows about oneg. his comment toward super makes me feel a little better about him though
shape and fazers (obv) not really sure...kinda liked shape early for a couple posts, but the "you always vote for survival" thing to tw does make me twitch a little so he doesn't get a firm townread either...just this thing where he's so damn buss happy and i'm having a hard time seeing a world where tw is town here
I 100 percent disagree with super being scum with tumble. Had they both been scum it would have likely been more of an outright bus / : Think about it, if super was bussing tumble, why would he claim? Then tumble dies and hes put in the spotlight and likely dies after if he cant substantiate his blue claim.
This all happened before the gb debacle, (which was total luck if tumble outside of any plan). It is a terrible terrible move, would've been far better to just let things take their course and have the living scummer take cred.
Seriously, super may be scum, but he is 100 percent not scum with tumble because of the heat that claim brings down on him.
I'm on board with this I think.
yeah the reason you're both probably wrong here is simple:
tw's play makes no sense from town. two lynches and the opposite is your scumread you vote your scumread 100% every single time unless you're an idiot. hell even if you're townreading him you should probably do that, but if not at the very least be pushing an opposite lynch
what you guys are saying is that scum couldn't have made a mistake and instead it's more likely that either tumble is doing things that almost never come from town AS town and not voting a scumread OR that he's not voting on town AS scum
i think it's actually really simple and scum just made a mistake here. could i be wrong? sure. i admit it. i really don't think so though, and it makes way more sense then the other two scenarios i just laid out for you
read mah last post : P makes a better highlight of it.
Scum cant just play out things like a townie. They need to get more bang for thier buck as thier lives are move valuable.
Killing Gb, then super, is way better than just killing super. It was not an elaborate ploy to avoid the death of ether scummer.
and as I said, neither could have anticipated the gb fuck up, because super claimed before that happened.
Which means, if super is scum he made an uber shady claim(can you deny the heat hes got for it?) in order to keep living, thereby robbing his scum mate of a better position and hurting the scum team overall, just so that he could keep going.
tldr, it is more likely that tw and super are both town as opposed to both scum(though yeah, tw is probs scum). For reals Rsoul, your read doesn't really work ) : would require not only a fuck up from scum, but just really selfish shit play for no real reason.
i really fail to see the benefit of letting yourself be killed over town as scum, gum. i know i wouldn't. you can always try to talk your way out of a lynch d2 it's kinda retarded not to do it. i have seen scum players let themselves die over a roleblocker, and i have seen even stupider shit like when my own scummate pretended to be afk during her lynch so they didn't see that she didn't vote for her scum buddy, but then posting right after the flip which revealed she'd been there the whole time and basically confirmed my other scummate scum
of course it works. it works because players aren't perfect and because generally scum teams prefer to keep their roleblocker alive
more to the point, it's the most likely scenario here unless tw is having the worst town game of his life and just needs to be taught how to be honest + vote his scumread to save himself
^ i'm not trying to be mean here tumble, i'm really not. it's actually a compliment to think that you couldn't play this way as town. i really don't want to believe you're this bad. and if you are town...well...i'm not trying to insult you but it's super awful play lol >< one of the easiest things to do is be honest and vote for survival on a scum read
On April 18 2016 05:56 rsoultin wrote: yeah if it's not obvious i think super/tw scumteam is highly likely. not sure on the third
tw not voting for survival doesn't make any sense to me. i can get just feeling like there's no hope i really can but not when the alternative wagon is someone that you say you're scumreading
way more likely super is simply scum with tw and that's why tw didn't vote him but was fine voting gb
personally if i'm the vig i'm always shooting super here...if he's the doc he's useless and at least then we have the information
pretty confident that gum rels jat palmar
are all town
still need to check up on the thing about sl, but basically it amounts to the last time i played in a game where he was scum he told people not to talk at night, too, but i seem to remember him talking at night a lot as town. i could be misremembering though
not sure what it is about ows but i'm hesitant to put him in my town list. maybe it's the response to tumble or maybe it's him being more vocal or maybe it's just general paranoia after down under when i derped on him all the way up to lylo
who knows about oneg. his comment toward super makes me feel a little better about him though
shape and fazers (obv) not really sure...kinda liked shape early for a couple posts, but the "you always vote for survival" thing to tw does make me twitch a little so he doesn't get a firm townread either...just this thing where he's so damn buss happy and i'm having a hard time seeing a world where tw is town here
I 100 percent disagree with super being scum with tumble. Had they both been scum it would have likely been more of an outright bus / : Think about it, if super was bussing tumble, why would he claim? Then tumble dies and hes put in the spotlight and likely dies after if he cant substantiate his blue claim.
This all happened before the gb debacle, (which was total luck if tumble outside of any plan). It is a terrible terrible move, would've been far better to just let things take their course and have the living scummer take cred.
Seriously, super may be scum, but he is 100 percent not scum with tumble because of the heat that claim brings down on him.
I'm on board with this I think.
yeah the reason you're both probably wrong here is simple:
tw's play makes no sense from town. two lynches and the opposite is your scumread you vote your scumread 100% every single time unless you're an idiot. hell even if you're townreading him you should probably do that, but if not at the very least be pushing an opposite lynch
what you guys are saying is that scum couldn't have made a mistake and instead it's more likely that either tumble is doing things that almost never come from town AS town and not voting a scumread OR that he's not voting on town AS scum
i think it's actually really simple and scum just made a mistake here. could i be wrong? sure. i admit it. i really don't think so though, and it makes way more sense then the other two scenarios i just laid out for you
read mah last post : P makes a better highlight of it.
Scum cant just play out things like a townie. They need to get more bang for thier buck as thier lives are move valuable.
Killing Gb, then super, is way better than just killing super. It was not an elaborate ploy to avoid the death of ether scummer.
and as I said, neither could have anticipated the gb fuck up, because super claimed before that happened.
Which means, if super is scum he made an uber shady claim(can you deny the heat hes got for it?) in order to keep living, thereby robbing his scum mate of a better position and hurting the scum team overall, just so that he could keep going.
tldr, it is more likely that tw and super are both town as opposed to both scum(though yeah, tw is probs scum). For reals Rsoul, your read doesn't really work ) : would require not only a fuck up from scum, but just really selfish shit play for no real reason.
i really fail to see the benefit of letting yourself be killed over town as scum, gum. i know i wouldn't. you can always try to talk your way out of a lynch d2 it's kinda retarded not to do it. i have seen scum players let themselves die over a roleblocker, and i have seen even stupider shit like when my own scummate pretended to be afk during her lynch so they didn't see that she didn't vote for her scum buddy, but then posting right after the flip which revealed she'd been there the whole time and basically confirmed my other scummate scum
of course it works. it works because players aren't perfect and because generally scum teams prefer to keep their roleblocker alive
I think having your scummer in a good position in thread is far more important than keeping the Rb alive. Whats more, thier actions set it up so they were both likely to die, Super's claim did scum very few favours if they were both scum.
That said, it doesn't matter if we disagree on what scums priorities were. We have common ground on Tw, so we start there and see where it takes us / :
lol true ^^
just promise me that if vig shoots super and i'm not around...or if super ever flips and i'm not around...(obv if he flips town that's moot lol)...you won't rule out tw based on this reasoning
i'd be really fucking surprised if tumble were town this game
On April 18 2016 06:08 Tumblewood wrote: and if shape were bussing that's some really weak bussing 0 towncred to be extracted there
yeah i'd reaaaallly like to say that would actually stop him lol ><
that said it's not like i'm calling him scum for it, just not willing to put him up with my fairly certain towns, so it's pretty much a moot point
The scummy thing about it is that shape was completely oblivious to what happened in the thread. He doesn't feel the "towny vibes" and just because of that he ignores everything else that happens? Like superbia claiming a role etc?
yeah i hear ye. i think the reason the bussing in particular sticks in my head is i've seen him vote on the scum wagon (mine! lol) when he knows they won't be lynched just to be on the right wagon later. of course he could just be town voting on who he thinks is scum, and that can be true even while being oblivious...some people just go their own way...but yeah
which actually is a good point anyway
i can check your filter real quick but shape what was your read on gb?
You should read it right now. We have at least 3 people in super, SL and GB who are scummy and do not give the slightest fuck about this lynch. If you really want to go on and kill tumble for his fuckup then at least hear him out now.
also tumble would have for sure switched to save his own life.
that reliably gives him about 6-7 votes. So however you perceived his martyrdom, it was working out for him.
still get your point lol and still want one of my strong townreads to promise
On April 18 2016 05:56 rsoultin wrote: yeah if it's not obvious i think super/tw scumteam is highly likely. not sure on the third
tw not voting for survival doesn't make any sense to me. i can get just feeling like there's no hope i really can but not when the alternative wagon is someone that you say you're scumreading
way more likely super is simply scum with tw and that's why tw didn't vote him but was fine voting gb
personally if i'm the vig i'm always shooting super here...if he's the doc he's useless and at least then we have the information
pretty confident that gum rels jat palmar
are all town
still need to check up on the thing about sl, but basically it amounts to the last time i played in a game where he was scum he told people not to talk at night, too, but i seem to remember him talking at night a lot as town. i could be misremembering though
not sure what it is about ows but i'm hesitant to put him in my town list. maybe it's the response to tumble or maybe it's him being more vocal or maybe it's just general paranoia after down under when i derped on him all the way up to lylo
who knows about oneg. his comment toward super makes me feel a little better about him though
shape and fazers (obv) not really sure...kinda liked shape early for a couple posts, but the "you always vote for survival" thing to tw does make me twitch a little so he doesn't get a firm townread either...just this thing where he's so damn buss happy and i'm having a hard time seeing a world where tw is town here
I 100 percent disagree with super being scum with tumble. Had they both been scum it would have likely been more of an outright bus / : Think about it, if super was bussing tumble, why would he claim? Then tumble dies and hes put in the spotlight and likely dies after if he cant substantiate his blue claim.
This all happened before the gb debacle, (which was total luck if tumble outside of any plan). It is a terrible terrible move, would've been far better to just let things take their course and have the living scummer take cred.
Seriously, super may be scum, but he is 100 percent not scum with tumble because of the heat that claim brings down on him.
I'm on board with this I think.
yeah the reason you're both probably wrong here is simple:
tw's play makes no sense from town. two lynches and the opposite is your scumread you vote your scumread 100% every single time unless you're an idiot. hell even if you're townreading him you should probably do that, but if not at the very least be pushing an opposite lynch
what you guys are saying is that scum couldn't have made a mistake and instead it's more likely that either tumble is doing things that almost never come from town AS town and not voting a scumread OR that he's not voting on town AS scum
i think it's actually really simple and scum just made a mistake here. could i be wrong? sure. i admit it. i really don't think so though, and it makes way more sense then the other two scenarios i just laid out for you
read mah last post : P makes a better highlight of it.
Scum cant just play out things like a townie. They need to get more bang for thier buck as thier lives are move valuable.
Killing Gb, then super, is way better than just killing super. It was not an elaborate ploy to avoid the death of ether scummer.
and as I said, neither could have anticipated the gb fuck up, because super claimed before that happened.
Which means, if super is scum he made an uber shady claim(can you deny the heat hes got for it?) in order to keep living, thereby robbing his scum mate of a better position and hurting the scum team overall, just so that he could keep going.
tldr, it is more likely that tw and super are both town as opposed to both scum(though yeah, tw is probs scum). For reals Rsoul, your read doesn't really work ) : would require not only a fuck up from scum, but just really selfish shit play for no real reason.
i really fail to see the benefit of letting yourself be killed over town as scum, gum. i know i wouldn't. you can always try to talk your way out of a lynch d2 it's kinda retarded not to do it. i have seen scum players let themselves die over a roleblocker, and i have seen even stupider shit like when my own scummate pretended to be afk during her lynch so they didn't see that she didn't vote for her scum buddy, but then posting right after the flip which revealed she'd been there the whole time and basically confirmed my other scummate scum
of course it works. it works because players aren't perfect and because generally scum teams prefer to keep their roleblocker alive
I think having your scummer in a good position in thread is far more important than keeping the Rb alive. Whats more, thier actions set it up so they were both likely to die, Super's claim did scum very few favours if they were both scum.
That said, it doesn't matter if we disagree on what scums priorities were. We have common ground on Tw, so we start there and see where it takes us / :
lol true ^^
just promise me that if vig shoots super and i'm not around...or if super ever flips and i'm not around...(obv if he flips town that's moot lol)...you won't rule out tw based on this reasoning
i'd be really fucking surprised if tumble were town this game
On April 18 2016 06:50 Onegu wrote: Just got my son to sleep for his nap.
Why arent we talking more about the scumslip I found?
oh well i mean super's behavior in general is pretty suspect. if he's trying to convince scum not to rb/shoot him, then jat going LYNCH THIS GUY right after should have been like yes, help! the more people who suspect me the better
instead he gets mad at jat
you may be right about the scumslip but that reaction makes no sense anyway and yeah was why when i realized that tw never voted for super and double-checked his reads the THEORY was born ^^
On April 18 2016 07:03 gumshoe wrote: I think I know what happened here, scum chose not to roll block super as he announced he was shooting palmer, so that means super is probs town vig / : or the actual vig shot the same target (more likely supers vig, seriously)
o.0 um...if scum shot fazers scum is retarded
we should start looking for the stupidest players in the game immediately
okay unless we end up lynching super today, tumble, you have 48 hours to convince me not to lynch you or hope someone else is a better defense lawyer than you are
On April 18 2016 07:03 gumshoe wrote: I think I know what happened here, scum chose not to roll block super as he announced he was shooting palmer, so that means super is probs town vig / : or the actual vig shot the same target (more likely supers vig, seriously)
o.0 um...if scum shot fazers scum is retarded
we should start looking for the stupidest players in the game immediately
lol or a shape going for the #coolplayz of a lylo against two blues
On April 18 2016 07:09 rsoultin wrote: okay unless we end up lynching super today, tumble, you have 48 hours to convince me not to lynch you or hope someone else is a better defense lawyer than you are
I would prefer some genuine reads on other people over another "convsersation" between you 2 though.
sure
backatcha...you can start with my reads post pffffft like i'm not putting effort in asshole >>
yeah i'm actually just blatantly being lazy lol >< i'll be around later this evening though...maybe earlier if i get schoolwork done
will try to make some headway in my???s at that time so if you're still in thread i hope you'll help me by either answering questions or letting me bounce ideas off you ^^
On April 18 2016 18:40 sicklucker wrote: riveting activity guys! I love when im the only one posting for the first 36 hours of the day but im the bad guy when shit comes up for the last 12
Of course this has revamped alot of my reads but seeing as were already locked on I see no point to accusing someone before the flip just to fill thread.
There is a lot of point to it. We don't need to waste a whole day just because a lynch is decided. That's exactly what mafia wants.
oks
it is 2 of 3 men.
Onegu jas, or... rels...
these reads assume that tumble is town though, so thats why I'm waiting on the super flip
I town read jat assuming that tumble is town, as you kind of wanted to lead the lynch away from him.
Sick lucker is town as he did straight up bus his teammate otherwise and hes post lynch bragging seems scuicidal coming from scum.
Rsoul is probs town cause effort and I dont see onegu just dropping off his vote on her if thier scum mates.
obi was also straight up bussing his mate from an early point if hes scum.
tumble is probs town if super is scum based off supers claim (unless super is rb)
Onegu's still at the top of mah list, my case before the day start hasn't changed at all, I especially hate how he supposedly "forgot" about the deadline to post his reads.
if onegu is town, he knows hes a vig target, so that kind of fuck up is huge as he honestly believes hes amazing. So he didn't care enough about his reads to get them in.
If hes scum, he was waiting to see if he got shot by vig before he wanted to offer an information whatsoever. So yeah, reaaaaaly scummy to my sight.
Jas and rels I got nothing really on, Jas's switch onto tumble instead of gj seemed to come out of nowhere but he was pushing super earlier so thats a bit odd.
It's also notable that he pushed into me and tumble early but backed off pretty fast.
rels... not sure, hes been gone a while now / : almost as if none of this matters to him.
I don't hate the Onegu argument. You shouldn't give SL a pass for this though. He bussed before and he didn't really do much to get Super lynched day1. Day2 doesn't count - noone gets credit for pushing super today.
And never ever should you townread rsoultin for effort. Some food for thought: rsoul likes killing people who want to lynch her or her scummates and who can't be reasoned with. Palmar died in the night.
oh psht. i hardly ever have much say in the nks early game cause i'm too nice lol this is a stupid comment...not that i'm not happy to have palmar out of the game. his blind push on me over nothing was frustrating @.@
just say that townreading me is dumb cause people don't know how to read me and be done with it
though if super/tw both flip scum and y'all try to push me for tmi i may start kicking kittens
On April 19 2016 00:20 Superbia wrote: Just got home from work. I'm (probably) the doctor.
i'm (probably) going to lynch you anyway ^^
unless you can explain why a "doctor" gets mad at a player talking about lynching him when he retracts his claim, since the only town reason to do it is to try to get mafia not to shoot/rb him and players wanting to lynch him can only help with that
On April 19 2016 00:24 Superbia wrote: Gonna work on dinner soon and then csgo after that. Might be around later but probably not until tomorrow. And then I'm going to movies w/ gf. x;
Will try to sneak some time in between moments.
yeah even if you are doctor which i doubt, you're useless and will always be a question mark, and you can't even be assed to try to spew yourself town or help the town by giving reads for when you're dead ^^
if you're town here you should be ashamed of yourself. fortunately you're probably not so there's that lol ><
EPT
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