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Meh. I'm VT too. =/ Should've lynched TW..[/QUOT [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvRGDynDytU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvRGDynDytU[/url] | ||
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would've really liked to see tumble flip but what can ya do. Palmer not switching was awful, sick lucker coming in for the reprimand... blegh, onegu is probably scum as he did exactly this in the last game we played (he sat his vote on someone who didn't matter) not sure what to make of supers claim / : best to let him sort himself out. | ||
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On April 17 2016 08:20 sicklucker wrote: why dont I count? I literally just played as his scum partner and called him out for his lazyness . As like the first person to do it in this game Specifically he was trying to get rels off tumble by referencing other scummers. You were voting super, which he, who considers you scummy, should see as an endorsement for voting tumble. Super was not actually scummy in my opinion. And gb was town / : | ||
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can I get your reads on the following players licker obi fazzers palmer. | ||
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On April 18 2016 05:12 Tumblewood wrote: when superbia was the counterwagon i thought i would for sure be lynched at some point when gb was the counterwagon it became apparent that maybe i wouldn't be lynched so lets see if I can parse this out. You were certain that even if superbia did get lynched, he would flip town thereby incriminating you / : even though you were sure he was scum... superbia is also scum but i don't know why i'm just trusting everybody else what changed to make you go from that read to- when superbia was the counterwagon i thought i would for sure be lynched at some point when did you start thinking super would flip town thereby ensuring your death? If he had flipped scum, you would be completely in the clear, instead you swapped onto a total nobody along with the rest of town in a scenario that conveniently said nothing about your alignment. Whats more, even though you thought superbia was scum you never actually wanted to lynch him, you wanted the vig shot to take care of him pls vig shoot superbia tonight A vig shot would have kept your hands squeaky / : tldr, you are unwilling to risk your life to pursue your scum reads. You would rather lynch a total nobody than risk yourself killing someone you think is actually scum. sooooo yeah... sorta scummy. | ||
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On April 18 2016 05:58 Tumblewood wrote: you're conflating "can dig as scum" with an actual scumread i made it clear that that was a total sheep and not a hard read + Show Spoiler + oh but what an opportunistic read oh but what an opportunistic read thanks mang : D I dont even have to make arguments against you anymore XD. | ||
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On April 18 2016 05:56 rsoultin wrote: yeah if it's not obvious i think super/tw scumteam is highly likely. not sure on the third tw not voting for survival doesn't make any sense to me. i can get just feeling like there's no hope i really can but not when the alternative wagon is someone that you say you're scumreading way more likely super is simply scum with tw and that's why tw didn't vote him but was fine voting gb personally if i'm the vig i'm always shooting super here...if he's the doc he's useless and at least then we have the information pretty confident that gum rels jat palmar are all town still need to check up on the thing about sl, but basically it amounts to the last time i played in a game where he was scum he told people not to talk at night, too, but i seem to remember him talking at night a lot as town. i could be misremembering though not sure what it is about ows but i'm hesitant to put him in my town list. maybe it's the response to tumble or maybe it's him being more vocal or maybe it's just general paranoia after down under when i derped on him all the way up to lylo who knows about oneg. his comment toward super makes me feel a little better about him though shape and fazers (obv) not really sure...kinda liked shape early for a couple posts, but the "you always vote for survival" thing to tw does make me twitch a little so he doesn't get a firm townread either...just this thing where he's so damn buss happy and i'm having a hard time seeing a world where tw is town here I 100 percent disagree with super being scum with tumble. Had they both been scum it would have likely been more of an outright bus / : Think about it, if super was bussing tumble, why would he claim? Then tumble dies and hes put in the spotlight and likely dies after if he cant substantiate his blue claim. This all happened before the gb debacle, (which was total luck if tumble outside of any plan). It is a terrible terrible move, would've been far better to just let things take their course and have the living scummer take cred. Seriously, super may be scum, but he is 100 percent not scum with tumble because of the heat that claim brings down on him. | ||
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On April 18 2016 06:14 Tumblewood wrote: where did the gb read come from though there was no scumread at all until 5 minutes before deadline dude popped up five seconds before deadline after zero activity and voted with a shitty excuse. It was like throwing a limp rabbit into a wolf pen. | ||
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even so, the bit about tumble calling for a vig onto super / : Also, unlike tumble, super considered tumble scummy and had no problems killing him and doing whatever it took to survive. This scenario is explained best by tumble being red and super being green. super- wanted tumble killed, did everything he could to kill him. Motive- It is worth any price to ensure that a scummer gets lynched tumble- wanted super dead, but as soon it looked like a matter of one of them having to be scum, tumble dodged. Motive- it does not matter if super dies first, a 1 1 trade is never good for scum. One acts as if the death of the other is worth any cost not only because it will exonerate him, but because for a townie it is absolutely worth it to die if it means a scummer dies too The other is considering not how to lynch scum, but rather how to prolong his own life / : see what I'm getting at? | ||
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On April 18 2016 06:24 rsoultin wrote: yeah the reason you're both probably wrong here is simple: tw's play makes no sense from town. two lynches and the opposite is your scumread you vote your scumread 100% every single time unless you're an idiot. hell even if you're townreading him you should probably do that, but if not at the very least be pushing an opposite lynch what you guys are saying is that scum couldn't have made a mistake and instead it's more likely that either tumble is doing things that almost never come from town AS town and not voting a scumread OR that he's not voting on town AS scum i think it's actually really simple and scum just made a mistake here. could i be wrong? sure. i admit it. i really don't think so though, and it makes way more sense then the other two scenarios i just laid out for you read mah last post : P makes a better highlight of it. Scum cant just play out things like a townie. They need to get more bang for thier buck as thier lives are move valuable. Killing Gb, then super, is way better than just killing super. It was not an elaborate ploy to avoid the death of ether scummer. and as I said, neither could have anticipated the gb fuck up, because super claimed before that happened. Which means, if super is scum he made an uber shady claim(can you deny the heat hes got for it?) in order to keep living, thereby robbing his scum mate of a better position and hurting the scum team overall, just so that he could keep going. tldr, it is more likely that tw and super are both town as opposed to both scum(though yeah, tw is probs scum). For reals Rsoul, your read doesn't really work ) : would require not only a fuck up from scum, but just really selfish shit play for no real reason. | ||
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On April 18 2016 06:35 JustAnotherScummer wrote: I called a protoss player that today Doing gods work I see. | ||
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On April 18 2016 06:39 rsoultin wrote: i really fail to see the benefit of letting yourself be killed over town as scum, gum. i know i wouldn't. you can always try to talk your way out of a lynch d2 it's kinda retarded not to do it. i have seen scum players let themselves die over a roleblocker, and i have seen even stupider shit like when my own scummate pretended to be afk during her lynch so they didn't see that she didn't vote for her scum buddy, but then posting right after the flip which revealed she'd been there the whole time and basically confirmed my other scummate scum of course it works. it works because players aren't perfect and because generally scum teams prefer to keep their roleblocker alive I think having your scummer in a good position in thread is far more important than keeping the Rb alive. Whats more, thier actions set it up so they were both likely to die, Super's claim did scum very few favours if they were both scum. That said, it doesn't matter if we disagree on what scums priorities were. We have common ground on Tw, so we start there and see where it takes us / : | ||
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i really fail to see the benefit of letting yourself be killed over town as scum, gum Last thing, if tumble was scum I dont think he was letting himself die, his antics were winning people over. Obiwanshinobi, sicklucker, fazers palmer gb were all pretty much down to vote superbia. and jat too was sympathetic. You should read it right now. We have at least 3 people in super, SL and GB who are scummy and do not give the slightest fuck about this lynch. If you really want to go on and kill tumble for his fuckup then at least hear him out now. also tumble would have for sure switched to save his own life. that reliably gives him about 6-7 votes. So however you perceived his martyrdom, it was working out for him. | ||
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On April 18 2016 06:45 rsoultin wrote: lol true ^^ just promise me that if vig shoots super and i'm not around...or if super ever flips and i'm not around...(obv if he flips town that's moot lol)...you won't rule out tw based on this reasoning i'd be really fucking surprised if tumble were town this game promise : P | ||
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On April 18 2016 06:50 Onegu wrote: Just got my son to sleep for his nap. Why arent we talking more about the scumslip I found? reads plox Onegu, can I get your reads on the following players licker obi fazzers palmer. | ||
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On April 18 2016 06:55 Onegu wrote: Working on it geez... What part of just got son down for his nap did you not understand? DONT CARE, GET DEM READS INTO MAH BELLY. | ||
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Two big scum reads right now on top of tumble, 1: Onegu Onegu as town is in fact capable of rational thought(shocker right?) these quotes are from full metal mafia, which was I feel a decent example of town Onegu at play. I will speed read but I dont really have anything other than the person who said it didnt look like I was scum from my entrance looked really weird. I and remember it came from someone I had actually played with multiple times before and that actually mad no sense to me. As to why he would say something like that about me. Yeah then this is scums preferred lynch. Look for people that were completely null the whole game on me then were like fuck it we just lynch onegu and then peaced out. Answer me this does my flip give you a better way to read people based on how the previous person was playing? seems pretty palatable. This is from his last readable scum game (vanilla mafia) So I am debating on if I want to try this game or just troll... I mean I "tried and played" in that newbie with marv, but then he went and rolled scum and my effort was just wasted because I was trying because I promised him. But he already put more effort this game than in the entirety of that game so he is likely town here so maybe I should just not count that newbie game and actually try this game too. But LAZY... Hrmm choices. Ok one game of dota then Ill decide. So Troll it is. Thank you for making my choice for me. <3. in that game he pretty much just parked his vote uselessley onto vivax for two days, he didnt start trying until he came under fire at which point his posts became pretty coherent This post makes absolutely no sense. First do you really think with the 5 minutes in which BH came in people were going to switch. And lets say there were last second switch onto me. Why is ritoky going to look terrible. Everyone knows voting analysis is terrible day one. And once I flip town what are you dumbasses going to do? You arent going to lynch ritoky you are going to be like everyone is terrible and we should have lynched slam yesterday we are going to lynch him today. Ritoky is scott free. Every point here is bad. What looks worse is you giving me a town read but then saying you would vote me but then not. Ritoky also voting because someone says so then once the mislynch is secured he moves onto another townie because it makes him not on a town play during the flip. Gumshoe pointing this out and trying to make him look better bothers me alot. Blazinghand gets the same thing as Ritoky. Why try to shennanie on me. Because BH knows if there is shennanies from a player like slam onto another town player means that slam is the focus for most of day 2. It is a win win. Out of the 2 though I would say ritoky is the more suspicious of the 2. And would lynch him first. basically, we can distinguish town onegu from scum onegu by noticing when he starts to care. If it's scum onegu, he wont bother until hes under fire (or possibly his mates) if it's town onegu, hell start to care of his own accord and he will probally offer at least one sensible post before day 1 ends. Now look at some of his posts from last cycle Tell sexy Lexy <3 chocolate To bad you are still scum... Also gumshoe is scum. He tried to meta read me some weird ass way he is trying to buddy me because he knows how awesome I am. This She forgot me in her list post. Means she is scum 100000000% Also people saying they can meta read me are scum. Gumshoe. Rels, Rsoultin. THere is your team. Thank you well played onegu. I am playing the game... Dont you see it.... I signed up made posts, made a vote, made some reads... Onegu literally did not care in the slightest about yesterdays lynch. He parked his vote uselessly just like he did in vanilla and he will probably do so again later if he doesn't come under fire. So yeah, do not let that happen, Onegu needs to die asap. (Bonus, onegu has not posted reads before the night ends, indicates hes not really scared of dying and not getting to share his final words) second is Palmar. --------------------------------------------------------------------- His whole "I might even explain why at some point but who knows" stick alienates and belittles the rest of town and establishes a trend of him expecting us to follow him for no real reason. Then theres the flawed logic behind palmar accusing Rsoul for not thinking hes scum. TMI Mafia. (in response to) k gonna be honest here i really think that palmar's dickishness actually makes him town here but...i'd really hate to let him stomp all over me only for him to turn out to be scum, so if y'all wanna lynch him to put him out of my misery, i won't stop you Seriously Palmar, are you saying that every player is obliged to think their accusers are scum? Because thats a great way to lose every single game. My personal favourite is how he goes from I have no opinion on any of them. ,in response to me asking for a read on tumble (among others), to I don't really think tumblewood will flip scum but I neither know what the case against him is not do I have a particularly strong defense for him. I just don't think the few posts I've read sound like a mafia with absolutely no inbetween -_-.which is amazing, because the whole reason he wanted to lynch Super was because super said this Actually GB is meh too. So maybe rso is okay. (palmars response) This is a complete bullshit reason for thinking something. Superbia is now also a lynch candidate. So lets get this straight, palmar wanted to kill super because he used bullshit reasoning (palmars bread and butter atm), to disregard his bullshit case against Rsoul (Seriously, he has still not made an actual case on her) while he himself disregarded a wagon because of self admittedly bullshit reasoning? Please tell me how this Actually GB is meh too. So maybe rso is okay. is any worse than this I just don't think the few posts I've read sound like a mafia Most damning though, is this shit hard claim, now. If he reaaaaaaly thought super was lying, he could have flat out kept trying to lynch him, that would have been understandable if somewhat short sighted but to fucking ask for his role so that mafia could reliably neuter him????????Heres the thing, if palmar is a townie and is asking because he thinks super is scum, it does not matter what super says, as he will just tell the most convenient fucking lie. So asking for a hard claim accomplishes nothing for town. Yet if it's scum Palmar asking Super for his role, his reasoning makes perfect sense. it's an intense moment, super clearly thinks hes going to die (or he wouldn't have claimed otherwise) maybe palmar can get a roll out of him. Palmar probably didn't even care about town thinking he was scummy for it cause wed already given him a blank check for that shit. Town Palmer may troll, but this is not trolling. It is aggressively negligible play and if we intend to write it off as eccentricity then we are flat out insulting him as a player and encouraging him to play like this again. Not to mention throwing away the gam / : oblig | ||
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