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On April 24 2016 01:42 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 01:37 justanothertownie wrote:On April 24 2016 01:34 sicklucker wrote:
Jat in your mind whats the percentage of rels flipping mafia? I have no idea. Until now I just prayed I wouldn't have to deal with this. And I still do. If he is mafia this will be really hard to win. ya thats not townie. When your in lylo in a final five I expect people to have some clue of who someones partners can be before you lynch someone
sl just parking his vote on super with that much momentum IS townie, if hes scum hes just forfieted his power to save his rb in case of a swing (which almost always happens)
If he was scum he would have parked it on someone else, if he was really desperate he could have put it on onegu (assuming onegu is his partner in this case) who he was already pushing. Would have been better than forfeiting his rb, and its not like onegu was looking any better than super, he would have also gotten just as much cred for lynching scum, just would not have been rb.
Yeah I think this makes sense, if sl is scum, onegu is in every way a better vote, hes even a better bus.
So why super? It is totally unoptimal.
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On April 24 2016 01:47 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 01:42 sicklucker wrote:On April 24 2016 01:37 justanothertownie wrote:On April 24 2016 01:34 sicklucker wrote:
Jat in your mind whats the percentage of rels flipping mafia? I have no idea. Until now I just prayed I wouldn't have to deal with this. And I still do. If he is mafia this will be really hard to win. ya thats not townie. When your in lylo in a final five I expect people to have some clue of who someones partners can be before you lynch someone On the contrary - it is really towny. Of course I will consider it if I am alive.
I agree / : cluelessnes here is townie.
Jat is in a strong position if hes scum, to win he just has to push hard. Being indecisive is one of the only ways he can lose here.
For all my Jat bashing I will never doubt this dudes alignment, his interactions with super regarding palmer are not scum on scum. The end.
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On April 24 2016 02:15 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 02:11 sicklucker wrote:
Jat might be town but I dont think him telling super were not voting palmar on a weekend makes him town. Thats just sucking up to and being afraid of palmar if hes scum. I know they have played quite a few games and the metas there. I mean its town points but its not an absolute.
If a scum jat saw the playerlist he would probably go I need to be get palmar on my side. Not saying this makes him scum what so ever but it is a feasible scenerio. Him saying that to super could also be his frustration of super pushing someone he shouldnt be pushing. So ... much ... bullshit. If I was scum mislynching Palmar day1 would be the greatest thing ever. I just let super try it and see how it goes. I don't even have to implicate myself. And I CERTAINLY do not need to get Palmar on my side since I alread was his biggest townread at that point. Which is a very strong argument for me to be town btw. I may play a decent scumgame but I don't think I can fool Palmar this hard. I was the biggest townread of both nightkills. You KNOW that I shoot people who want to lynch me. Don't forget that.
yeah dis
palmer was not doing so hot day 1, he was not some force to be reckoned with. I even thought he was scum, jat jumping in front of plamer like that killed any chance for a mislynch and then he spent the rest of the day pushing super...his rb...
also I want to clarify a point here as I might be confusing people in regards to how important I think the rb is.
I think the rb is great and I definitely think it's worth claiming to keep rb alive, just not when it might result in a scum lynch, as a claimed rb is living on borrowed time, so sacrificing another scummer to save him is awful.
In any other case rb should do everything to keep himself alive possible and if his team can help thats nice as well.
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On April 24 2016 03:21 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 03:13 sicklucker wrote:
ok we can stop fighting about who is more confirmed town now. but you of all people can understand my nit picking when all game you put doubt on me afking voting the mafia power role when he was in danger when everyone who voted him at any point in the game flipped town (aka no bus). In the very very unlikely chance were in final 3 trying to lynch each other we can get back at it.
Onegu if your scum you need to stop pushing this pathetic gumdrop world so the games challenging and fun Dude posting more as scum is one of the easier metas to break and he is only making shit up. Like I am not the only one to see this Shape saw it right before he died. Obi is starting to see it.
Shape who I was trying to save... Your death would have been way better for town regardless, I would have not pushed for you if I was scum and you were tow . Because if you flip Green I look terrible. If I was scum all I had to do was chill yesterday, not argue with you until my chest started to hurt.
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Onegu scumsies.
Exhibit a) Onegu is a terrible sheep
Knowing now what we do, we can put together a convincing portrait of how scum felt about super
There are two factors to supers day 1. One: Hes rb, so if he can be saved, he should be. Two: He wont be able to play really, so if it comes down to it its gotta be a bus, standard really but theres a bit more impetus to keep him alive.
Onegu fits this archetype pretty perfectly.
Why are we killing subpurbia? But I think I can sheep you today. Yeah going to sheep palmar.
He just sort of jumps on him at the tale end of the day (13:07, we see him post last around 13:54, roughly 1 hour before lynch), but didnt even wind up voting for super then, he stayed on rsoul even though he claimed he would sheep palmer… he never even acknowledged supers claim or adressed why he blatantly lied about sheeping.
Then after the gb flip, once it’s clear to scum that there's little chance to save super(for reasons that should be obvius), they start distancing themselves as far as fuck.
But this is a genuine scumslip. He tries to correct himself in the next post when he realized what he did but yeah scumslip.
(onegu day after lynch)
So yeah, day 1 onegu straight up said he would vote super and then… didnt… and never addresed why he changed his mind.
Exhibit b) not even onegu is this bads.
Onegus scum reads included -rsoul(town) fazzers(town) Obi (town) and me, oh and of course super doesnt count because as weve shown, his scum read of him arrives past the point of relevancy.
It’s not that his reads are wrong thats scummy (+ Show Spoiler +heavens knows jats hella town
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Rels is scum
As we said, scum did want to save super day 1, but they had to balance that against the fact that super didnt really wanna save super day 1.
I’m going to compare the lines that rels had concerning super, vs the ones he had vs tumble
I don't understand your thinking there, 1st post is scummy and NAI at the same time ?
At the time of this post, sl, obi and rsoul are all already voting super, so him pressuring him around now is the sweet spot for a buss honestly.
Superbia's spamming spree is awful. The 1-line posts with random reads and no reasonning. Very different from what I expect from town!Superbia.
Jumping on the easy wagon too. Superbia might be scum
What do you make of the fact that Palmar was lynched D1 as town recently for playing like that ?
Superbia for being so his spree of posting reads with no explanation and not pushing anything. I think town!Superbia is more focused than that, like he was in his Palmar post actually, but the reasonning in his Palmar post is bad.
What changed with Superbia ?
Superbia is also likely to be scum, I don't believe in that "too scummy to be scum" thing rsoul and gumshoe has bought up. He made only 1 post that was more than 1 line, and that post was bad.
Comparitively this is what he had on tumble
gumshoe 90% of your big post on tumble is narrative that doesn't prove anything. The last bit is good though. If Tumble is scum, it is because he focused all his energy on rsoultin and almost none on anyone else, after Palmar started to push her.
For this first post he doesnt even agree with most of what I’ve been saying / :
Tumble for entering the thread late with a non believable excuse and being obsessed with rsoul, which would be the perfect lynch for mafia.
The excuse bit is nothing that doesn't pertain to super as well.
Almost every post of Tumble is focused on rsoul. It is after Palmar started his "lynch rsoul" thing, so there is the possibility that Tumble is scum jumping on that lynch. He also has a lot of reasons to scumread her.
Noted above, "rsoul townreads Rels even though she disagrees with him".
Of course alot of his reasons are focused on 1 person and of course they aren't that good. That kinda happens day 1 as theres not that much info out there so you tend to focus on your best bet which usually isnt that great because again, theres not much info out there.
So the post in bold doesn't actually exist. So Tumble is claiming a reason that cannot be true. It's impossible for a townie to make up a reason for what he has done things.
Blatantly wrong, townies can 100 percent make shit up and be wrong, I do that all the time. Mistakes are a symptom of the players skill, not his alignment.
In general I think it’s kind of clear that his arguments about super seemed to indicate scum (shitty posting, not really pushing anything)
Whereas his arguments against tumble indicated derp (shit excuse, dumb mistakes)
At the very least I don't think ether case is better than the other, yet hes certain which one he wants to pursue, never once voting super even when he was his only real scum read (before tumble).
right after the flip, he distanced himself almost immediately.
Scum”
Rels, like Onegu, had compelling reasons to vote super, but never did.
Also like Onegu he immediately distances himself from super for the rest of the game because scum know he's dead for sure, which is something I have missed till now, supers scum mates know for sure hes dead cause they already know how everything will play out, so right immediately after day 1 its buss buss city.
As for association between onegu and rels, obviously nothing rels says about onegu means anything because hes onegu, but heres some jems from onegu to rels
also rels is in this game? Dont remember anything from him…
Really need to look into obi and rels also. Guess tumble also since rsoul thought he was scum. JAS also since he is the lead wagon.
Das it.
Even though rels has also been calling for his head all game, even though rels also meta read him like me (which according to onegu means hes scum)-
Also people saying they can meta read me are scum. Gumshoe. Rels, Rsoultin.
-Onegu still cant be assed to push him.
alright thats all I got for now, gotta go bais.
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On April 24 2016 05:17 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 04:43 gumshoe wrote:Onegu scumsies. Exhibit a) Onegu is a terrible sheep Knowing now what we do, we can put together a convincing portrait of how scum felt about super There are two factors to supers day 1. One: Hes rb, so if he can be saved, he should be. Two: He wont be able to play really, so if it comes down to it its gotta be a bus, standard really but theres a bit more impetus to keep him alive. Onegu fits this archetype pretty perfectly. Why are we killing subpurbia? But I think I can sheep you today. Yeah going to sheep palmar. He just sort of jumps on him at the tale end of the day (13:07, we see him post last around 13:54, roughly 1 hour before lynch), but didnt even wind up voting for super then, he stayed on rsoul even though he claimed he would sheep palmer… he never even acknowledged supers claim or adressed why he blatantly lied about sheeping. Then after the gb flip, once it’s clear to scum that there's little chance to save super(for reasons that should be obvius), they start distancing themselves as far as fuck. But this is a genuine scumslip. He tries to correct himself in the next post when he realized what he did but yeah scumslip. (onegu day after lynch) So yeah, day 1 onegu straight up said he would vote super and then… didnt… and never addresed why he changed his mind. Exhibit b) not even onegu is this bads. Onegus scum reads included -rsoul(town) fazzers(town) Obi (town) and me, oh and of course super doesnt count because as weve shown, his scum read of him arrives past the point of relevancy. It’s not that his reads are wrong thats scummy ( + Show Spoiler +heavens knows jats hella town ) its that he never doubts himself, at all. Notice after obi is proven town, I get really quite and sheepish for a while? Thats me recalibrating, thats what happens when townies realize they were totally wrong. Onegu doesnt have that, hes not trying to solve the game, hes just pushing the same reads hes had since day 1 because he knows thats exactly what people expect of him. Dude, I posted I was sick and taking medicine or I would have sheeped palmar. He wanted to lynch Rsoul and I did too so we voted her, I wasnt around to change it. Second I never doubt myself. And I what you are saying doesnt make me scum at all. And how the hell does my sub read arrive after the point of relevancy it arrived night 1. And I never wavered on him I stayed on him the entire time because he scumslipped. And I dont fucking understand how you can blame me for my day one vote when you werent voting him either and even town reading him and put your vote on tumble.
I was wrong XD but I didnt know that : P you did.
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On April 24 2016 05:19 Onegu wrote:
Your sub read arrived after mine so I dont understand how you can say this with a straight face.
of course I can, I was wrong 100 percent day 1. Thats what townies do, make mistakes, learn from thier mistakes evolve and improve.
Thats not what your doing, your stagnating, waddling in the muck, pursuing reads that have made no sense since day 1 and you haven't been given any reason to buy into.
If your town, you literally just made some random scum reads at the start of the game, saw them flip green one by one, yet kept pushing them. So yeah, I can easily accuse you with a straight face. Doing that right now.
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On April 24 2016 05:21 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 05:19 gumshoe wrote:On April 24 2016 05:17 Onegu wrote:On April 24 2016 04:43 gumshoe wrote:Onegu scumsies. Exhibit a) Onegu is a terrible sheep Knowing now what we do, we can put together a convincing portrait of how scum felt about super There are two factors to supers day 1. One: Hes rb, so if he can be saved, he should be. Two: He wont be able to play really, so if it comes down to it its gotta be a bus, standard really but theres a bit more impetus to keep him alive. Onegu fits this archetype pretty perfectly. Why are we killing subpurbia? But I think I can sheep you today. Yeah going to sheep palmar. He just sort of jumps on him at the tale end of the day (13:07, we see him post last around 13:54, roughly 1 hour before lynch), but didnt even wind up voting for super then, he stayed on rsoul even though he claimed he would sheep palmer… he never even acknowledged supers claim or adressed why he blatantly lied about sheeping. Then after the gb flip, once it’s clear to scum that there's little chance to save super(for reasons that should be obvius), they start distancing themselves as far as fuck. But this is a genuine scumslip. He tries to correct himself in the next post when he realized what he did but yeah scumslip. (onegu day after lynch) So yeah, day 1 onegu straight up said he would vote super and then… didnt… and never addresed why he changed his mind. Exhibit b) not even onegu is this bads. Onegus scum reads included -rsoul(town) fazzers(town) Obi (town) and me, oh and of course super doesnt count because as weve shown, his scum read of him arrives past the point of relevancy. It’s not that his reads are wrong thats scummy ( + Show Spoiler +heavens knows jats hella town ) its that he never doubts himself, at all. Notice after obi is proven town, I get really quite and sheepish for a while? Thats me recalibrating, thats what happens when townies realize they were totally wrong. Onegu doesnt have that, hes not trying to solve the game, hes just pushing the same reads hes had since day 1 because he knows thats exactly what people expect of him. Dude, I posted I was sick and taking medicine or I would have sheeped palmar. He wanted to lynch Rsoul and I did too so we voted her, I wasnt around to change it. Second I never doubt myself. And I what you are saying doesnt make me scum at all. And how the hell does my sub read arrive after the point of relevancy it arrived night 1. And I never wavered on him I stayed on him the entire time because he scumslipped. And I dont fucking understand how you can blame me for my day one vote when you werent voting him either and even town reading him and put your vote on tumble. I was wrong XD but I didnt know that : P you did. I knew what?
that super was scum for sure? because you were scum?
townies fuck up because they dont have 100 percent info
scum dont, because they do.
How is this concept wierd to you?
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On April 24 2016 05:35 justanothertownie wrote:
Like SL and Rels both attacked me in the most moronic way possible for not ruling out that super could be real and I explained multiple times that scum was in full bus mode since day1.
And you just realize that now? And you have the nerve to yell at me all day?
Ok, gumshoe. Ok.
God I'm such an ass here I am calling jat bad, and yet I used his case against rels as a bads example, when it turns out rels was possibly scum all along
way ahead of you : P
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On April 24 2016 05:37 justanothertownie wrote:
Note that the only time tumble seems to be interested in playing this game is when he is about to be lynched btw.
I dont know about that, pg 104 to 107 seems pretty good from him.
Also onegu I just realized who do you think I'm scum with?
Tumble who I pushed all day 1 and night 1?
Sl Who I pushed all day 2 and night 2?
Rels? Who I am pushing now?
Jat who you think is confirmed town?
Is it you XD what does your gut say?
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On April 24 2016 06:02 Onegu wrote:
You mean the people, other than maybe tumble day 1 and that wasnt likely, that were never having a chance to be lynched?
No reasons to start pushing them a million posts then.
Face it, your floundering, I dont fit any scum team because I'm not scum.
The end.
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On April 18 2016 05:04 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 04:52 gumshoe wrote:
Onegu,
can I get your reads on the following players
licker
obi
fazzers
palmer. Yeah I am still reading and what not. Give me a bit.
lies. you had two hours.
more than enough time.
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On April 24 2016 06:33 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2016 06:23 gumshoe wrote:On April 24 2016 06:02 Onegu wrote:
You mean the people, other than maybe tumble day 1 and that wasnt likely, that were never having a chance to be lynched? No reasons to start pushing them a million posts then. Face it, your floundering, I dont fit any scum team because I'm not scum. The end. No you could be scum with any of them and I will look into all of them. And thats how you play mafia. As either alignment you make cases on people and try to win. So yeah pushing people who arent being lynched is out of the mafia playbook. You post alot and pushing people doesnt make you town. You making shit up to fit your reads that makes you scum.
mafia coordinate as a team and scum dont buss unless a ) thier team mates are onegu or b) they have no choice.
Coordinated mislynches are always the best play.
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On April 24 2016 06:52 Onegu wrote:
5 min until deadline
Nice try
check the time stamps bitch.
April 17 2016 15:00 PDT flip
Yeah I am still reading and what not. Give me a bit.
you acknowledging my questions April 17 2016 13:04 PDT
2 hours liar.
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yeah, i made that post cause I figured I was dead anyways 100 percent because of that fucking slip (meant to pm)
figured it was worth a shot XD but yeah, was pretty obs,
rels, I scum read you mostly because I figured tumble was town from his day 1. You were mostly just process of elimination / :
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