I am starting to understand your thought process though. I disagree with your conclusion but it makes sense.
I think this is the closest jat has come this game to agreeing with anyone this game and hes still telling me im wrong XD
still, i'll take it as a good sign. I am an optimist.
no this is probably why hes scum. hes trying to pocket you. the jat I know would never agree with your crazy theorys and probably bring you to tears for making the posts you made.
he didnt agree he still thinks im wrong probs XD
he would destroy you and eat your babies
you know Sick, just want you to know regardless of your alignment, I am rather enjoying you this game : D you is a good guy (even though your a bad guy XD)
pssst ise got a secret for you >> sl is totes my town-bro this game
psshhhh there are no town bros, only slightly less suspicious players.
pssst you're my town-bro too ^^ ise not afraid to be wrong! \o/
circle of townie wonderness: gum,jat,sl prooooobably rels but i do want to poke back through his filter cause he can scum it up with the best of them lol, we'll call him an honorable mention
welp, I'm off for tonight, feel free to realize how right I am at any time while I'm gone : D(said/thought/hoped every town player ever as they signed off)
So I have alot of stuff saved up for eon, but if it’s just going to just get ignored theres no real point to the effort is there / : so I’m writing this preamble to hopefully soften the crowd : D
if I am actively involved in a game and I make it past the first few nights I am going to start putting stuff together. I think in large webs based around core evidence. The problem is you are all very clever people and you find the one or two holes in what I say and assume that those exceptions are in fact the case and subsequently dismiss them in favour of your own reads. Reads that if I felt like doing so, I could pick apart like cotton.
This is simply because most arguments in mafia come with a free set of holes / : the only reason they continue to stand is because people cant be bothered disproving all of them / :
I said my interactions make it very unlikely for me to be mafia. That does not equal "I called him mafia so I can't be mafia
Heres a post from jat in regards to rels pushing him, at this point jats getting pretty angry. He seems to think that saying my “interactions make it unlikely that were mafia together” is way different from “I cant be mafia with him cause I called him mafia” but rels knows jat and is aware that hes not a hyperbolic player ala ritoky (who would be screaming confirmed for days in jats position after the super flip) which means rels may very well consider an understated claim from him to be equivalent. Is rels right or wrong to do this? Thats besides the point, to qoute jat himself
I don't care. I don't think you can townread GB yet. But I think it is entirely possible that gumshoe believes he can.
Is it really that hard to see rels believing this as town? Jat seems to think that rels could not possibly do this as green and I think thats his biggest fuck up yet
If you are town you are being a fucking idiot because things like this are mafia basics and yet you obviously fail to grasp anything this game. The more you do this the more I think you are just trying to rile me up and to undermine my standing in this town.
Jat feels rels is bieng an idiot, he knows rels is intelligent, therefore rels is scum.
There are so very many problems with this logic, but lets start simple, jat is a very smart and eloquent person, to him, alot of what we say probably comes off as idiotic because of just that. He has rarely agreed with anyone this game about anything as he is rather confident / : as he should be, he is quite good. Yet that gives him a poor perspective on whats too dumb a move for someone to make.
Also there's the fact that this is a terrible move regardless, which means no matter what alignment he is rels is being stupid, therefore stupidity has no bearing on rels alignment as jat seems to think. There is no reason to attack jat here as all rels has to do if hes scum is look townie. Antagonising townie numero uno may do that indirectly, but it also aggros him thereby making the whole move derp. Only real reason to do it is if rels actually think jats scum based off feel and is using shit reasoning to justify that feel read / : thereby pissing off jat and robbing him of his objectivity. Which sorta makes rels town.
The point I am trying to make here is that I think Jat is a fantastic player, but here he is being a fucking idiot.
I can find shit like this on everyone here and i’m sure they could come up with a million reasons why I’m wrong about them being wrong and we can go back and forth like that forever.
Look, I don't want us to stop finding flaws in one another's arguments, thats mafia, what I want is for us to stop rewarding ourselves for finding those flaws with the instant dismissal of the cases to which those flaws belong. All so that we can get back to proving why were right and everyone else is wrong.
So when I post what may be my last big wall of text ,which is going to be as logical and streamlined and clear as I can possibly make it ,and you find all the potential outs for each and every point, dont just walk away satisfied, ask yourself how effective those outs actually are, how likely is it that they are the rule and not the exception? Das all I ask yo / :
On April 21 2016 00:36 gumshoe wrote: So I have alot of stuff saved up for eon, but if it’s just going to just get ignored theres no real point to the effort is there / : so I’m writing this preamble to hopefully soften the crowd : D
if I am actively involved in a game and I make it past the first few nights I am going to start putting stuff together. I think in large webs based around core evidence. The problem is you are all very clever people and you find the one or two holes in what I say and assume that those exceptions are in fact the case and subsequently dismiss them in favour of your own reads. Reads that if I felt like doing so, I could pick apart like cotton.
This is simply because most arguments in mafia come with a free set of holes / : the only reason they continue to stand is because people cant be bothered disproving all of them / :
I said my interactions make it very unlikely for me to be mafia. That does not equal "I called him mafia so I can't be mafia
Heres a post from jat in regards to rels pushing him, at this point jats getting pretty angry. He seems to think that saying my “interactions make it unlikely that were mafia together” is way different from “I cant be mafia with him cause I called him mafia” but rels knows jat and is aware that hes not a hyperbolic player ala ritoky (who would be screaming confirmed for days in jats position after the super flip) which means rels may very well consider an understated claim from him to be equivalent. Is rels right or wrong to do this? Thats besides the point, to qoute jat himself
I don't care. I don't think you can townread GB yet. But I think it is entirely possible that gumshoe believes he can.
Is it really that hard to see rels believing this as town? Jat seems to think that rels could not possibly do this as green and I think thats his biggest fuck up yet
If you are town you are being a fucking idiot because things like this are mafia basics and yet you obviously fail to grasp anything this game. The more you do this the more I think you are just trying to rile me up and to undermine my standing in this town.
Jat feels rels is bieng an idiot, he knows rels is intelligent, therefore rels is scum.
There are so very many problems with this logic, but lets start simple, jat is a very smart and eloquent person, to him, alot of what we say probably comes off as idiotic because of just that. He has rarely agreed with anyone this game about anything as he is rather confident / : as he should be, he is quite good. Yet that gives him a poor perspective on whats too dumb a move for someone to make.
Also there's the fact that this is a terrible move regardless, which means no matter what alignment he is rels is being stupid, therefore stupidity has no bearing on rels alignment as jat seems to think. There is no reason to attack jat here as all rels has to do if hes scum is look townie. Antagonising townie numero uno may do that indirectly, but it also aggros him thereby making the whole move derp. Only real reason to do it is if rels actually think jats scum based off feel and is using shit reasoning to justify that feel read / : thereby pissing off jat and robbing him of his objectivity. Which sorta makes rels town.
The point I am trying to make here is that I think Jat is a fantastic player, but here he is being a fucking idiot.
I can find shit like this on everyone here and i’m sure they could come up with a million reasons why I’m wrong about them being wrong and we can go back and forth like that forever.
Look, I don't want us to stop finding flaws in one another's arguments, thats mafia, what I want is for us to stop rewarding ourselves for finding those flaws with the instant dismissal of the cases to which those flaws belong. All so that we can get back to proving why were right and everyone else is wrong.
So when I post what may be my last big wall of text ,which is going to be as logical and streamlined and clear as I can possibly make it ,and you find all the potential outs for each and every point, dont just walk away satisfied, ask yourself how effective those outs actually are, how likely is it that they are the rule and not the exception? Das all I ask yo / :
Can you tell me what's the point of this post? Because I don't see it. You want me to townread rels or what?
I feel like your very good at finding flaws in theories but bad at evaluating their likely hood.
What I am going to be saying at e.o.n has alternative explanations, but those explanations are highly unlikely, what I am worried about is this- I post a huge wall of change and people ethier ignore it or find a possible alternative explanations to it's key points that are huge stretches but serve as more than enough for them to just move on / :
The point of this post is to ask people to read my eon posts objectively. Fully prepared to discard many of thier reads if they cant honestly consider the alternatives, to the facts I will base my case around, to be likely.
To this end I am using you as a sacrificial goat to demonstrate that even the best players can be wrong : P which is exactly how I am viewing this town atm. but no I am not asking you to town read rels, I am simply showing that your reasoning for scum reading him earlier was bad and fueled by emotion/outrage.
On April 21 2016 00:43 Rels wrote: lol rsoul I forgot you were writting everything in spanish early on. Apparently it was too hard to keep up ^^
>> lol god it takes me like 4x as long to do it that way >> i prob should have given how much i spammed this game but...okay you want the honest truth? part of why i dropped it (apart from frustration at palmar lol ><) was it was so damn slow that me capping my spamming wasn't really helpful lol >< part was laziness \o/
Lucky you. I might have policy lynched you for it.
-shrugs- doubt it lol no one would have followed that policy lynch unless they had reasons of their own ^^
@gum you know, you could have just tldr'd it to say: i'm frustrated that y'all are dismissing my reads
please don't confuse not agreeing with your reasons as dismissing your reads. i will admit that when i see a case built mostly around narrative (and yes, yours fall in that category) i'm predisposed to kinda just skim them. but that doesn't mean that i don't go
gum thinks obi and sl are scum. i don't agree with his reasons, but i'm pretty sure gum is town so maybe he's seeing something i'm not? and then go back and look at obi and sl again and come to my own conclusion
i'm sorry if that's not as satisfying as going WOW great case SHEEPLE NOW! but i mean, if i don't find your arguments compelling i simply don't :/ people often don't find mine compelling so at least we're in good company lol
It's fine im not actually angry XD just worried. Think of it from my view, I think sl and obi are scum, regardless of wether I am right or wrong, everyone currently disagrees. I dont know what docs thinking (nor would I ask him to divulge XD) so from my view, I may very well be about to die and theres no one to else really pushing my reads
So yeah, I am doing whatever I can to ask town to me lend me their ear for what could be mah last thang / : cause if I didnt do that I would feel like I did not do everything I possibly could to win (within the rules XD)
On April 21 2016 00:36 gumshoe wrote: So I have alot of stuff saved up for eon, but if it’s just going to just get ignored theres no real point to the effort is there / : so I’m writing this preamble to hopefully soften the crowd : D
if I am actively involved in a game and I make it past the first few nights I am going to start putting stuff together. I think in large webs based around core evidence. The problem is you are all very clever people and you find the one or two holes in what I say and assume that those exceptions are in fact the case and subsequently dismiss them in favour of your own reads. Reads that if I felt like doing so, I could pick apart like cotton.
This is simply because most arguments in mafia come with a free set of holes / : the only reason they continue to stand is because people cant be bothered disproving all of them / :
I said my interactions make it very unlikely for me to be mafia. That does not equal "I called him mafia so I can't be mafia
Heres a post from jat in regards to rels pushing him, at this point jats getting pretty angry. He seems to think that saying my “interactions make it unlikely that were mafia together” is way different from “I cant be mafia with him cause I called him mafia” but rels knows jat and is aware that hes not a hyperbolic player ala ritoky (who would be screaming confirmed for days in jats position after the super flip) which means rels may very well consider an understated claim from him to be equivalent. Is rels right or wrong to do this? Thats besides the point, to qoute jat himself
I don't care. I don't think you can townread GB yet. But I think it is entirely possible that gumshoe believes he can.
Is it really that hard to see rels believing this as town? Jat seems to think that rels could not possibly do this as green and I think thats his biggest fuck up yet
If you are town you are being a fucking idiot because things like this are mafia basics and yet you obviously fail to grasp anything this game. The more you do this the more I think you are just trying to rile me up and to undermine my standing in this town.
Jat feels rels is bieng an idiot, he knows rels is intelligent, therefore rels is scum.
There are so very many problems with this logic, but lets start simple, jat is a very smart and eloquent person, to him, alot of what we say probably comes off as idiotic because of just that. He has rarely agreed with anyone this game about anything as he is rather confident / : as he should be, he is quite good. Yet that gives him a poor perspective on whats too dumb a move for someone to make.
Also there's the fact that this is a terrible move regardless, which means no matter what alignment he is rels is being stupid, therefore stupidity has no bearing on rels alignment as jat seems to think. There is no reason to attack jat here as all rels has to do if hes scum is look townie. Antagonising townie numero uno may do that indirectly, but it also aggros him thereby making the whole move derp. Only real reason to do it is if rels actually think jats scum based off feel and is using shit reasoning to justify that feel read / : thereby pissing off jat and robbing him of his objectivity. Which sorta makes rels town.
The point I am trying to make here is that I think Jat is a fantastic player, but here he is being a fucking idiot.
I can find shit like this on everyone here and i’m sure they could come up with a million reasons why I’m wrong about them being wrong and we can go back and forth like that forever.
Look, I don't want us to stop finding flaws in one another's arguments, thats mafia, what I want is for us to stop rewarding ourselves for finding those flaws with the instant dismissal of the cases to which those flaws belong. All so that we can get back to proving why were right and everyone else is wrong.
So when I post what may be my last big wall of text ,which is going to be as logical and streamlined and clear as I can possibly make it ,and you find all the potential outs for each and every point, dont just walk away satisfied, ask yourself how effective those outs actually are, how likely is it that they are the rule and not the exception? Das all I ask yo / :
Can you tell me what's the point of this post? Because I don't see it. You want me to townread rels or what?
I feel like your very good at finding flaws in theories but bad at evaluating their likely hood.
What I am going to be saying at e.o.n has alternative explanations, but those explanations are highly unlikely, what I am worried about is this- I post a huge wall of change and people ethier ignore it or find a possible alternative explanations to it's key points that are huge stretches but serve as more than enough for them to just move on / :
The point of this post is to ask people to read my eon posts objectively. Fully prepared to discard many of thier reads if they cant honestly consider the alternatives, to the facts I will base my case around, to be likely.
To this end I am using you as a sacrificial goat to demonstrate that even the best players can be wrong : P which is exactly how I am viewing this town atm. but no I am not asking you to town read rels, I am simply showing that your reasoning for scum reading him earlier was bad and fueled by emotion/outrage.
Be honest, you also wrote it to have the opportunity to call JAT a "fucking idiot". ^^ Seriously, sry if you feel everybody is not listening to you. But if several players tell you why they disagree with your conclusions, maybe you are right nonetheless, maybe you didn't explain properly ... or maybe there is something wrong with your conclusions. And ofc I will read your eon posts if I survive, as everyone should. Doesn't mean I promise to agree with it though.
again, I am not upset XD you all are great and I am having a ton of fun regardless. I just needed to do something dramatic cause yeah : P from where I stand the situation calls for it.
Why tumble is town and super is not a potato. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scum Role claim works only on day1. Afterward they have no excuse for not claiming a specific role and if they do, they get ccd.
The only scenario where role claim does not work day 1 is against another scum. Jat put it best.
He can never claim vig. He would have to explain not being roleblocked and would be cced immediately unless they happen to rb the real vig (which is pretty unlikely).
If a Scum claims to get another scum killed, he gets ccd next day and dies. Why? Cause scum never cc a claim in this setup (unless lylo) as they would at most kill 1 townie then die once that townie flips green.
It would go down like this : super claims, tumble flips scum, day2 super is still live, he claims whatever then gets ccd and because scum never cc in this setup he dies too. End result is 2 successful lynches for town. Scum has bought themselves 1 role block with this devastating loss, that's it.
Alternative play is this. Just let the lynch happen and let Survivor claim cred. One rb is not worth 2 succesful lynches for town in a row.
This play by super is objectively bad, my overall argument is that scum are dunces, not utter potatoes. potatoes=incapable of seeing more than 1 move ahead ie- killing your mate with a move that kills yourself right after.
dunces= capable of not accounting for certain outcomes that would be clear to others=not realizing that a palmer shot would never look like the vig kill
Now, lets try to frame this so that I am as clear as possible.
April 16 2016 13:39 PDT at this time the tumble lynch starts to pick up speed. The vote is split between him and super 3 3
April 16 2016 14:23 PDT roughly 45 minutes later, super shows up and is active in thread -
-until his claim at April 16 2016 14:55 PDT
There is a little over half an hour between the vote shaping up and superbia becoming active, and superbia effectively killing tumble
... Wow this is actually calling me TMI town.
(side note, we can see in this post he really didnt care about tumble dying. )
The gb post of doom that got gb killed happened at April 16 2016 14:57 PDT That means that at the time of claiming(two minutes before the first real whisper of gbs doom), super was killing tumble plain and simple.
weve proven how idiotic it is to claim in order to kill your bud in this setup(even if your rb) and weve shown that super did exactly that. So why would that happen if supers scum?
1: supers is an idiot- not true, even if he isnt omega vet mark 5 super is a perfectly capable player clearly efficient enough to grasp setup basics, if nothing else, so this reason flies out the window. Also if we regularly expect these kinds of logic fuck ups we cant actually determine whats scummy and whats just derp XD.
2: super was rushed -ahhhh but now we see the power of time stamps! We can place both super and tumble in the thread at the cruical period of the day for at least 30 minutes (and if they were scum, they probably had more time to talk before that) to think that after that much time(probs more) they would conclude that super claiming was the best way to react to the situation is the the most outlandish assertion in this entire game so far(and thats coming from me)
lets frame this one last time so that tumble accusers have an idea of what they are actually saying happened.
Imagine two lawyers are having breakfest hours before the start of a big trial. They go over some of their files, they consider their arguments, they talk about the weather and ask about one another's families, and then finally after exhausting all conversation they ask for the bill. Then as theyre about to leave the pleasant flower adorned diner ONE DRAWS 2 PISTOLS AND SHOOTS THE OTHER IN THE FUCKING FACE WHILE ALSO PLACING THE OTHER BARREL IN HIS MOUTH AND PULLING THE TRIGGER RIGHT AFTER.
THAT is what alot of you are saying happened. If you guys lynch tumble this game, you are every bit as dumb as you seem to think they were on that fateful day 1.
So yeah, even if you don't agree with any of my subsequent points, this is the one that will make me cry if you disregard ) : you guys dont want to make me cry right?
E.o.N post 2 Title- Thing super said to his scum qt during night 1 - This could totes work! (it totes doesnt work)
So this is the bit that really framed my view of the game.
I realized pretty fast (after a bit of derp) that the scum team had tried to set super up with a vig claim, or at least a chance at one, because there was no reason for scum to shoot palmer unless they knew for sure super wasnt going to(this all stems from the super palmer shot claim you're all familiar with by now I’m sure), also the whole cc=death for scum rule doesnt apply as super is already in that shitty position so may as well get some ammunition(kek vig joke) to argue it out.
That's what I thought at the time of my vote of super day 2 and I am more sure thats what happened now.
Jat brought up a bunch of reasoning why I was possibly wrong (rb, super lying ect), but he was mostly just nitpicking because that's what jat does best / :
Also his nitpicking is especially irelevant now as it turns out super was scum(suprah). So the claim was almost certainly a component in their shot.
So, regardless of how dumb or whatever this plan was, any plan has a chance to work and considering supers position what did he have to lose?
So the night ends and fazzers is clearly the vig shot, but heres the thing, scum never want to just waltz in and confirm that.
Regardless of who the vig ,shoots provided hes not rbd, there are three ways for scum to react to the flips.
1: push their version of events before seeing how town reacts-risky, no need to explain why.
2: Wait and see how the town views things- hands down the best move.
3: Kill it in it’s crib- even if it’s completely obvious that your plan wont work, why go out of your way to slay your teammate? Maybe the townies will view it differently / : it’s not like you get points for pointing out the obvius. The worst choice
Except you do! The people who take option 3 are probally town / : as if they are scum they are making the snap decision to react in the worst way.
From April 17 2016 15:02 PDT To April 17 2016 15:03 PDT
Three people in roughly the span of a minute said the vig shot was on fazzers.
These people are all town. True, it’s obvius to scum what happened because thier scum and they know, but scum often have to make the tricky distinction between whats obvious to them and what's obvious to town.
Basically? The safest and most effective move her to wait for towns response. These three players did not do that, therefore I crossed them off my list / :
There were three people who reacted strangely to the shot
Me, (cause I am an idiot)
Obi who reacted with bland puzzlement
Hrm.
Then said nothing more about it
And sl who seemed to find the shot surprising
it was a terrible vig shot fazzers was my top town. new players are so easy to read sign…
Sl is also the only one who seems to consider the shot could have been on palmer
whoever vigged palmar/faz who was on the super wagon needs to check their head
And the only one other than me on the same page about the
also supers mafia team clearly shot palmar hoping the vig shot was someone they could argue was the nk so super could claim vig. Its aparently obvious and people have already pointed that out.
But when the sad mafai team saw fazzers was the vig shot and not someone like me they were sad pandas and gave up
tldr super is the only one other than me who assumes the vig theory as fact.
On April 21 2016 07:07 gumshoe wrote: noooo rsoul T_T farewell
btw I have another fat case aside from those 2 but the second was pretty unedited and you dont want to know what the third looks like.
so lets keep things simple.
tumble is town because of the day 1 vote.
Maybe. Your point about supers fakeclaim killing them both is not bad actually.
Yeah, it would have been a huge misplay and I think supers actions this game demonstrate a good understanding of how claims work in this setup, not the opposite.
And to imagine 2 -3 players In a qt talking for half an hour min and concluding THAT was the best play is bonkers. On the other hand, if tumble is town what super did makes perfect sense.
Also jats right, we need vig to claim because after another mislynch scum can cc again as we'll be in Lylo.
4 of the 5 people who voted super are confirmed town from my pov.
Fazers/palmar/gb all voted him and all flipped town. I know im town so...
whoever vigged palmar/faz who was on the super wagon needs to check their head
On April 20 2016 06:41 sicklucker wrote: also supers mafia team clearly shot palmar hoping the vig shot was someone they could argue was the nk so super could claim vig. Its aparently obvious and people have already pointed that out.
But when the sad mafai team saw fazzers was the vig shot and not someone like me they were sad pandas and gave up
super is scum because he was the only person other than me to take the fakevig theory seriously of his own accord (read my convos with rels jat and rsoul regarding the theory, they all reacted with reasonable skepticism.)
In the first post he seems to think it's possible that palmer was vigged (which lines up with scum trying to claim vig shot at that point in the game)
and then suddenly right before super is lynched sl, without any of my reasoning ,or prior indication thats this is what he was thinking, parroted my theory as fact(second post) before even I knew for sure, having the gall even to claim it was super obvious.
(it was not, read my convos with rels jat and rsoul regarding the theory, they all reacted with reasonable skepticism even though they thought super was scum.)
also this whole "gar guys your so stupid" has happened before.
lol 3 towns voted super nevermind...
this is the closest sl comes to reading fazzers during night, knowing full well that he was a target.
Then he has the hutspa to post this after fazzers dies.
t was a terrible vig shot fazzers was my top town. new players are so easy to read sign...
once again, sl reveals that he knew the truth all along just didnt bother divulging it when it was relevant / : so heres a question, if sl knew super was scum and thought my theory was right, which he seems pretty certain of
like your just going to have to trust me. hes not the doctor
why didn't he ever tell obi to stop asking for the doc to cc? Whats more why didnt he scum read obi for doing supers work for him(super clearly wanted dock outed)?
The answer to that is licker was too busy doing his own blue hunting to reprimand obi's / :
Only thing we can be sure of is me and rstoulin are not the vig lolz
Jat might be vig tho he got really mad when I said fazzers was ez town
On April 21 2016 07:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I guess I should claim now. I'm vigi.
I shot fazers on night 1.
In hindsight I don't think it was a fantastic shot - I just went for the guy playing like lynchbait and got rid of him. I didn't really want us constantly talking about him considering we gave him things to work with and he didn't seem to want to do anything. I waited for a few hours after he showed up in the thread to do something - I tried telling him what he was doing wrong but he just kind of left after that, so I sent the action in. I guess I could have shot super instead but, you know, PR claim. I'd rather not be the guy that goes for a hero play and takes out the doctor claim on night 1.
I was kinda frustrated that I missed even though I had mafia early but there's nothing to be done about it now. /shrug Sorry for missing.
Very nice.
Btw. any cc happens right the fuck now or this guy is forever confirmed town.
you would be wrong to do so / : think about it, scum just need 1 mislynch, then were in lylo.
That means that if we kill obis opposite today, and obis scum, he has not just forced a mislynch, but also set it up so that his scum mate (wherever they are) can claim doc.
On April 21 2016 07:49 justanothertownie wrote: Cool. So I am almost definitely lynching into this pool today: JAS/Tumble/Onegu/SL Only have to find out which one I want to live the least later.
were never lynching tumble / : I wish onegu would do something to mod kill himself cause I think hes town T_T.
On April 21 2016 07:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I guess I should claim now. I'm vigi.
I shot fazers on night 1.
In hindsight I don't think it was a fantastic shot - I just went for the guy playing like lynchbait and got rid of him. I didn't really want us constantly talking about him considering we gave him things to work with and he didn't seem to want to do anything. I waited for a few hours after he showed up in the thread to do something - I tried telling him what he was doing wrong but he just kind of left after that, so I sent the action in. I guess I could have shot super instead but, you know, PR claim. I'd rather not be the guy that goes for a hero play and takes out the doctor claim on night 1.
I was kinda frustrated that I missed even though I had mafia early but there's nothing to be done about it now. /shrug Sorry for missing.
Very nice.
Btw. any cc happens right the fuck now or this guy is forever confirmed town.
you would be wrong to do so / : think about it, scum just need 1 mislynch, then were in lylo.
That means that if we kill obis opposite today, and obis scum, he has not just forced a mislynch, but also set it up so that his scum mate (wherever they are) can claim doc.
wat
It is easy. If Obi is fake (which I very much doubt) then the real vig has to counterclaim immediately because now we can still lynch both of them if we are wrong at first. I will not believe any later counterclaims.
Im saying that this a viable move (what obis doing) from scum as it puts us into lylo if we lynch a counter claimer / : at which point even though he dies, his scum mate can doc claim
also note, if obi and sl are scum together sl cannot claim for obvious reasons, so only obi can make this move.
On April 21 2016 07:49 justanothertownie wrote: Cool. So I am almost definitely lynching into this pool today: JAS/Tumble/Onegu/SL Only have to find out which one I want to live the least later.
were never lynching tumble / : I wish onegu would do something to mod kill himself cause I think hes town T_T.
Why would you think that? (The Onegu part - I understand your tumble read)
Too scuicidal, no idea why hes pushing me (he didnt even in vanilla where I thought he was scum for days) could be scum, but im thinking town. Also I think he actually believes his reads derpy as they are / : I dont get that from scumgu
On April 21 2016 07:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I guess I should claim now. I'm vigi.
I shot fazers on night 1.
In hindsight I don't think it was a fantastic shot - I just went for the guy playing like lynchbait and got rid of him. I didn't really want us constantly talking about him considering we gave him things to work with and he didn't seem to want to do anything. I waited for a few hours after he showed up in the thread to do something - I tried telling him what he was doing wrong but he just kind of left after that, so I sent the action in. I guess I could have shot super instead but, you know, PR claim. I'd rather not be the guy that goes for a hero play and takes out the doctor claim on night 1.
I was kinda frustrated that I missed even though I had mafia early but there's nothing to be done about it now. /shrug Sorry for missing.
Very nice.
Btw. any cc happens right the fuck now or this guy is forever confirmed town.
you would be wrong to do so / : think about it, scum just need 1 mislynch, then were in lylo.
That means that if we kill obis opposite today, and obis scum, he has not just forced a mislynch, but also set it up so that his scum mate (wherever they are) can claim doc.
wat
It is easy. If Obi is fake (which I very much doubt) then the real vig has to counterclaim immediately because now we can still lynch both of them if we are wrong at first. I will not believe any later counterclaims.
Im saying that this a viable move (what obis doing) from scum as it puts us into lylo if we lynch a counter claimer / : at which point even though he dies, his scum mate can doc claim
also note, if obi and sl are scum together sl cannot claim for obvious reasons, so only obi can make this move.
So what? It is still a really bad play to do this as mafia. First of all it is not guaranteed that we lynch the wrong vig. Second of all even if we do we still end up in LYLO and if someone claims medic there then the real one ccs and it is a 50/50 decision even without reads and everyone else is confirmed town. Those are really really good odds.
more so it gives scum the option to claim medic. They dont have to / :
On April 21 2016 07:49 justanothertownie wrote: Cool. So I am almost definitely lynching into this pool today: JAS/Tumble/Onegu/SL Only have to find out which one I want to live the least later.
were never lynching tumble / : I wish onegu would do something to mod kill himself cause I think hes town T_T.
Why would you think that? (The Onegu part - I understand your tumble read)
Too scuicidal, no idea why hes pushing me (he didnt even in vanilla where I thought he was scum for days) could be scum, but im thinking town. Also I think he actually believes his reads derpy as they are / : I dont get that from scumgu
Sorry, but that isn't very convincing.
I know, scumgu is definitely the scariest part of this game atm.
On April 21 2016 07:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I guess I should claim now. I'm vigi.
I shot fazers on night 1.
In hindsight I don't think it was a fantastic shot - I just went for the guy playing like lynchbait and got rid of him. I didn't really want us constantly talking about him considering we gave him things to work with and he didn't seem to want to do anything. I waited for a few hours after he showed up in the thread to do something - I tried telling him what he was doing wrong but he just kind of left after that, so I sent the action in. I guess I could have shot super instead but, you know, PR claim. I'd rather not be the guy that goes for a hero play and takes out the doctor claim on night 1.
I was kinda frustrated that I missed even though I had mafia early but there's nothing to be done about it now. /shrug Sorry for missing.
Very nice.
Btw. any cc happens right the fuck now or this guy is forever confirmed town.
you would be wrong to do so / : think about it, scum just need 1 mislynch, then were in lylo.
That means that if we kill obis opposite today, and obis scum, he has not just forced a mislynch, but also set it up so that his scum mate (wherever they are) can claim doc.
wat
It is easy. If Obi is fake (which I very much doubt) then the real vig has to counterclaim immediately because now we can still lynch both of them if we are wrong at first. I will not believe any later counterclaims.
Im saying that this a viable move (what obis doing) from scum as it puts us into lylo if we lynch a counter claimer / : at which point even though he dies, his scum mate can doc claim
also note, if obi and sl are scum together sl cannot claim for obvious reasons, so only obi can make this move.
So what? It is still a really bad play to do this as mafia. First of all it is not guaranteed that we lynch the wrong vig. Second of all even if we do we still end up in LYLO and if someone claims medic there then the real one ccs and it is a 50/50 decision even without reads and everyone else is confirmed town. Those are really really good odds.
more so it gives scum the option to claim medic. They dont have to / :
Yeah, so? I don't understand where your problem is.
I may not have a problem / : if theres no cc I'll obs have to let it go.
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