TL Mafia LXXIV: Storm Mafia 3

On March 09 2016 08:14 Damdred wrote:
There are pros and cons, the players are more in control of when the day ends for example while there still being a hard deadline I believe in this case. Parts of it are scum favored like the no lynch if nobody cares.

On March 09 2016 08:54 Palmar wrote:

case in point: a partisan asshole in the wild.

On March 09 2016 09:02 Palmar wrote:

The question was "why is it bad?", not "why is it good?".

I'll happily discuss this in some other thread though, let's drop it here. If you dislike it for this particular setup that's fine, you are not required to play.

On March 09 2016 15:03 sandroba wrote:
Yo jat, just say screw it and sign up anyway, I want to play with you =P

On March 20 2016 07:49 marvellosity wrote:
it would be great if we could get 5ish more players.

Storm games are always great and well balanced, and Palmar considers them normal so there's nothing too crazy like alignment changes or stuff people feel uncomfortable about

basically pls join :>

On March 20 2016 09:10 marvellosity wrote:

you don't count as people

On March 23 2016 02:23 Palmar wrote:
Ok we're starting on Wednesday, Mar 23 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

On March 24 2016 12:39 rsoultin wrote:


@.@ gah okay now i really want to lynch you

On March 24 2016 12:48 LightningStrike wrote:

Since you are here what your thoughts on the game so far?

On March 24 2016 12:52 LightningStrike wrote:

How is he confirmed town?

On March 24 2016 13:06 sicklucker wrote:


he took a line from your playbook

On March 24 2016 22:28 LightningStrike wrote:

Meh they were very subtle well played on that.... Anyways any other thoughts atm?

On March 24 2016 23:43 Superbia wrote:


Nice. I like it.

On March 24 2016 23:45 Superbia wrote:


Why?

On March 24 2016 23:45 Superbia wrote:
Let me ask it this way JAT- who do you think is mafia?

On March 24 2016 23:47 Superbia wrote:


Which ones, specifically?

On March 24 2016 22:28 rsoultin wrote:


@.@

really? cause i can buy doing this just to be a dick to palmar but i don't buy in a million years that rit of all people thought that his play was good or that he was achieving anything with it

like seriously >< i can look up which post was like duh duh duh obv what he was doing before he even claimed what he was doing when half the game hadn't even posted yet, but it definitely caught my eye

like, i've seen vivax do this sort of play with...oneg maybe?...i think in assassination, and it still wasn't terribly solid but he at least was being subtle enough about it and then using it to inform his reads that it was obvious that he at least was town making a play, even if the reads he was getting were unreliable

but the way rit did it absolutely never ever achieves anything here. like literally scum wouldn't even need the vt role name or whatever to see it if they had two brain cells to rub together, and the fact that rit has reversed his story now to say that no he was seriously trying to form a town circle with that? i call bs -_-

so seriously, what the fuck are you seeing that i'm not, damdy?

(tbf i agree on koshi though lol >< him stumbling all over himself was hilarious <3)

also obv it was slam and there's another obv that i'm not going to feed him ^^

-pokes at rels- hihi

oh, i think koshi asked about the ls read? it's basically the haha you high? type attitude when ls first gets scumread lol >< and no just cause someone says they're gonna change their play doesn't mean that you just throw out everything you know about them @.@ how many times have i said i'm gonna try to stop spamming?

On March 24 2016 22:50 rsoultin wrote:
eh, fuck it, i don't respond to terrorists ^^

##vote ritoky

nh, super, dude, losing patience @.@ "reactive" obv means emotional posting and i have a hard time seeing how you wouldn't have an idea on koshi after you've been around this long

On March 24 2016 23:54 Superbia wrote:
Okay, maybe I need to await slam's explanation and evaluate from there. I'm still with ritoky as being town.

On March 24 2016 22:56 Superbia wrote:
I also have no idea how people are evaluating slam as being non-town.

On March 24 2016 23:00 Kurumi wrote:
Back to Slam. If he were Mafia and that was a Mafia shot, all I'd see now should be "LYNCH KURUMI" and it is not the case. So it means the shot was not used as a means to incriminate me or cast doubt, or leverage it in any way. While I was not the only one voting gumshoe, I was the person pushing the hardest since the very first post of mine. Is there a chance that Slam was bluffing/trolling/whatever and Mafia decided to use that to kill Shoe and let the responsibility for the kill just land on Slam? There's no one on Slam either, yet... So it seems that this kill went through without any group agenda, leading me to believe that it was Town KP, be it Slam or anyone else. It just lacks follow-up, both ways (against me and against Slam) have not been taken by anyone. I think Slam is town.

On March 25 2016 00:01 Superbia wrote:


Is it? Mafia loves to pile on easy townreads. At some point everyone will figure out their own meta and adapt. It's always good town play to be wary. My point was logical and valid, albeit possiblY irrelevant for Koshi's alignment. The fact remains that the meta-reads on Koshi so far CAN be called careless, and that fact increases the likelihood of mafia spewing.

I myself would like to see some pressure on RSO. I feel like what Ritoky has done has not been mafia indicative whatsoever. I personally care very little for the whole VT soft shenanigans and have paid little attention to that, but his mindset on the gumshoe incident lines up with my own.

On March 25 2016 00:11 Superbia wrote:


I don't have a solid town read on Koshi yet.


I'm going to assume from all of this that rso is super high in your town circle.

Am I scum going after her?

On March 25 2016 00:15 Damdred wrote:
I'm not giving a RS read yet because lynching her d1 isn't a good thing probably plus mafia will get tired of her spamming and shoot her anyway.

Lots of town reads so far its sort of surreal though super being bad towards me without any real reasoning is concerning to say the least.

On March 25 2016 00:19 Superbia wrote:


She completely ignored my posts (i.e. no read on me whatsoever) and scum-read/went after my 2 town-reads. I want pressure on her.

What are you getting from all of this? I am genuinely curious. You're at the moment pretty much defending her by questioning the push on her. Why? Do you think mafia is actively pursuing her? What does this mean for your read on her? Why do you believe that pushes on her need to be questioned? Why are these questions relevant to solving the game? Is it more important than letting it play out and collecting information that way?

On March 25 2016 00:31 Damdred wrote:


Lots is probably an exaggeration but

LS
Vivax
Super

koshi

Rit
Slam

Some of them are flimsy right now and built on gut rit and slam. Koshis is easily faked I think buy I think its enough for d1 pass. I'm decently sure about ls and vivax though, super has a few problems but is still solid.

And I want to town read you jat but we are in the dating stage

On March 25 2016 00:36 Shapelog wrote:

What?
You forgot about someone so scumlean them is totes the best way... Instead of looking at their posts and determining it form them?
Maybe you flesh this out, otherwise if not, please do so at your earliest convince.

On March 25 2016 00:52 Damdred wrote:
Lets not go down that line jat just because you do not like my reads foes not mean you have to act so sarcastically towards me. I will just ignore you if I have to.

As for slam some is gut and the way he was doing things earlier questions somewhat trying before he just went breadcrumbs everywhere made me think he's town. Less so now than before but yeah.

On March 25 2016 00:56 Rels wrote:
Slam apparently knew when his shot was going to land:

And posted 25 minutes before it happened:

So him no staying up to see what the guy he shot flipped is super weird.

On March 25 2016 01:24 Tubesock wrote:
Good morning.

Kurumi is my biggest scum read. Seems opportunistic with the Gumdrops push. Damdred was fishing (but not for roles) and it didn't seem Gums was saying Damdred was fishing for that, but Kurumi jumps his ass. Meanwhile Ritoky ACTUALLY fishes for roles yet all Kurumi says is "very vary of Ritoky". The rest of Kurumi's posts seem nitpicky.

Tumble and Shape are forgettable and blending.

I'm going to leave Koshi at null. I'm not liking his "play" but I did like his little outburst of emotion. Although, I find it hard to believe that can't be faked.

As far as town I think my strongest TR's are Superbia, Vivax just below Jat and Rels. Damdred with a town lean.

Ritoky probably is in fact VT.

Slam I think is probably town. I am having trouble seeing the point of breadcrumbing so much if he were mafia. Why not just shut up and blow someone up? I do want to hear his explanation.

On March 25 2016 01:45 sicklucker wrote:



koshi dumb tell confirmed? would not lynch

On March 25 2016 02:07 sicklucker wrote:


this was kinda what I ment by the dumbtell jat. Rit just posted gum was town. Then koshi started going full retard with dumbemotion that I felt as townie

On March 25 2016 02:23 sicklucker wrote:



u mad?

On March 25 2016 02:42 sicklucker wrote:
Im getting vibes that your mad about a town circle forming

On March 25 2016 02:57 Damdred wrote:
Not sure what you have disproven, the only game ice been wrong on ls was the game we were scum and was powering him through his cell.

Ritoky i am still 100% after d1, every time he's scum I'm on his ass made one bad call about him though which is why i said he's probably town.

I tunnel scum generally and don't tunnel at all most of the time. Do your little stabs have no real value here.

On March 25 2016 03:07 Alakaslam wrote:

Do that then because that's been proven so effective, JAT, and will secure a town win.

Fuck this bullshit, you butthurt idiots are so everywhere that I lose all motive to cooperate. No hate @ Superbia, Vivax, Kurumi, etc who convinced me the guy could very likely be scum, nooooooooo hate the shooter and policy lynch even though he
1. Breadcrumbed enough that you all knew it was me
2. Told people to think about what a gumshoe flip would tell them (but was clearly ignored)


No that's a policy lynch that will help us win because he will still be a destructive force in the game, because multi shot vigs are totally possible.

you are going to make not breaking the rules really damned hard.

On March 25 2016 03:15 Tumblewood wrote:
Trying to catch up from my phone, but you're making a new post for every two I read.
I think one of Kurumi and LS is scum, because they were the gumshoe wagon starters (I don't feel comfortable scumreading either of the other two) and he was the target for a mislynch.
Also, all of you scumreading Slam for that shot are idiots. He was wrong, but he's obvious town because of it.

On March 25 2016 03:19 Tumblewood wrote:

I haven't voted anyone. They're scum for pushing an easy mislynch.

On March 25 2016 03:27 Tumblewood wrote:

Townies push other townies, but for different reasons. Gumshoe posted really awkwardly (a la big ramble), and that paints a big target on his back that says, "Lynch me!" Townies look more at the people who aren't so obvious because the quality of the lynch actually matters to them.

On March 25 2016 03:39 Alakaslam wrote:

Cannot shoot after day1,
Suspected one of either Gumshoe or Kurumi,
Felt that Gumshoe was not adding useful talk and being distracted by my old meta.

Who is crying so hard?

"Slam shot wrong dude plynch him now"

Vindictive AND an asshole, I see. Take a higher road than I take in every way or not at all.

On March 25 2016 03:41 Alakaslam wrote:

NO IN FACT THEY WONT

LIKE I AM SO PROUD OF MY SHOT OR SOMETHING?

WHAT THE FUCK MAN. TELL ME NOT TO SIGN UP

GET
THE
HELL
OUT
WITH
YOUR
GUILT TRIP
BULLSHIT

NO

ACTUALLY IA M OUT. I don't come here to read this kind of shit and run my blood up.

On March 25 2016 03:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
There's no way roles are random, I swear the same people get blue roles everytime. It's usually people I want nowhere near a blue role too...

Dank day 1

On March 25 2016 03:49 Damdred wrote:
VayneAuthority
Kurumi
Stutters695
sandroba
Rels
Tictock
Tumblewood
Tubesock

Right now I think most of the scum is in this list so far, or at least people I would think about lynching today. Kurumi, VA and Rels are sort of fringe being off the list just because I think they seem like they could be useful if they are town down the road so far. Rels is pretty idk difficult right now he doesn't have a few of his town things he generally does going for him.

The others are an assortment of policy/low volume/failure to postings/no real smart things so far.

On March 25 2016 03:50 Koshi wrote:
Lynch Slam. I don't believe he had to shoot before the 24h mark. Why do it so fast?

LYNCH SLAM.

On March 25 2016 03:51 VayneAuthority wrote:


How likely does a "have to shoot day 1 vig" sound in a non experimental game to you just curious?

On March 25 2016 03:55 Damdred wrote:


Yeah I mentioned it earlier I think or at least thought it, he would be my #1 lynch right now.

Hes been playing some great town games lately, the last one I was in with him he dominated the game if not for a modkill they would of won easily. His past few games have been really good.

Now hes just....not here almost 24 hours into d1 I think hes a good lynch today.

On March 25 2016 03:58 Damdred wrote:
I am hoping its more two than one for sandroba tbh. Probably should just look elsewhere for the first 36 hours and decide then.

On March 25 2016 04:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
it's not too crazy to be scum lets be clear about that. If he truly follows the house of brown, chezinu is infamous for making super scummy ridiculous plays as scum.

On the other hand, i have little to no interest in lynching slam today but maybe later once i get a better feel of the roles in this game and people's sentiments.

On March 25 2016 04:08 Koshi wrote:
Your shot was superbad Slam and you should feel bad. But w.e. It happened.
We lost an obvious townie. ggwp.

Let's call slam town.


I'll update my list when I feel like. I don't feel like atm.

On March 25 2016 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:
JAT, Koshi, and Shape can I have your reads atm please?

On March 25 2016 04:28 LightningStrike wrote:

Why? Just curious.

On March 25 2016 05:54 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure I should make it to D4 or D5. Afk till then.

On March 25 2016 06:49 ritoky wrote:
because i don't think you have the stones to claim not town as mafia that early into the game and then do some weirdly bad rescindy stuff. i mean it is in my filter in a spoiler on a big reads post.

On March 25 2016 06:56 Kurumi wrote:


I would love to lynch Ritoky, but his play was so terrible I can't believe a scum would make it... Or am I being double fooled here, JAT?

On March 25 2016 06:57 ritoky wrote:


i spelled it out multiple times, but sure.

i am vt, i know nothing about the setup since it is closed. i have been in closed setups that are basically the same as a normal game and closed setups with 20 players, 19 of which are roles or mafia. i wanted to gauge the nature of how many PRs were in the game while locating all the VTs and narrowing down my potential mafia greatly.

so i angle shot using the name of the role, assuming all town roles are named the same thing and that mafia either didn't get fake role pms or were too careless to reference them and understand what i was doing before it was already too late. the goal was to utilize the picture of the expedition, have people understand it, realize expedition was also in their role pm, and start forming a coalition of townies who understood we were all town based on the understanding of the expedition. from there you have a large block of people who identify eachother as near lock town and there is a vast amount of control over the day phase because of it as well as a smaller pool of people for potentially mafia. it forces mafia into an awkward spot where they have to choose to not PR hunt and leave PRs alive thus costing them a great deal or leave this large block of semi-confirmed townies alive and concede a ton of day phase control. the mafia lose something large either way.

i think it is a pretty well devised plan, apparently i am alone.

On March 25 2016 07:03 ritoky wrote:
i mean very often i don't even read the fake claims in my QT, especially right away at the start of the game when there's a lot more shit to worry about as mafia than your list of fake claims. most players, myself included, from my experience only reference them when needed.

On March 25 2016 07:11 ritoky wrote:


agree to disagree. i will defend that plan as really good in and outside the game, and even if it gets me lynched. i agree with you my execution was bad, the picture was too unclear of communication, and i got antsy and should have held silent longer. i also think the plan was so poorly executed that it isn't devastating or even detrimental like you seem to think. if executed properly i think it is a massive town sided swing.

if you disagree on the EV i dunno, we just disagree about gameplay.

On March 25 2016 07:13 Rels wrote:


Why did you post these 1h30 after the picture ?

On March 25 2016 07:22 ritoky wrote:


who cares if 2 blues die if you have idk....8 semi-confirmed townies operating as a voting block.....do you seriously undervalue townies knowing with 95% certainty who eachother are that much...just absolutely mindblowing....

people are so opposed to making plays for terrible reasons and they are eeyores about it on top of it.

On March 25 2016 07:26 Tubesock wrote:
Ritoky is arguing why communism is such a great idea on paper.

On March 25 2016 07:39 Tubesock wrote:


Same same.

You earlier town read Sicklucker. Can you elaborate? Maybe Obi also. I guess in one of your last lists you had SL above Vivax who fell for town reads (you didn't like his reads?) and then Obi as mid tier town.

Anyway, taking away the blue hunting I think Ritoky is town. And I do believe him about his plan. This isn't to say I trust him, but he's not going to be on the D1 lynch list.

I like the Sandroba plynch.

##Vote: Sandroba

On March 25 2016 07:49 Tumblewood wrote:
Jat, do you believe that making plays that don't help town only comes from scum?

On March 25 2016 07:57 Shapelog wrote:

Wait hold on. I am going to use this 8 logic here because i am confused now.
+ Show Spoiler +
Eh it not that great when i look at it like this.

On March 25 2016 08:00 Superbia wrote:
JAT, what do you think of the people pushing on gumshoe pre-slam-shot. Scum in there?

On March 25 2016 08:01 Damdred wrote:
On the plus side the pool for the lynch today is still kinda small.

JAT what do you think of rels?

On March 25 2016 08:06 Kurumi wrote:


I only made one post on this, no idea why Shape brought it up, the thing that stroke me the most was that ritoky thought 8 players is huge, while it is not. BTW JAT, there is one thing I like about sandroba lynch: past experience with scum in Storm 1. RebirthOfLegend went MIA, I believe on Day 2, because we thought he'd be modkilled on the basis of lack of activity, but more seriously because of playing against wincon of either side, we lynched someone else. He lived on, even posted very fast after the lynch happened. He was the Mafia Poisoner. There is a world where sandroba is a red role and just wants to survive the D1, but I think sandroba has enough time to prove us wrong if he chooses to pop into the thread in like, even 12 hours.
I won't support the sandy lynch right now, I just wanted to say that there was a play concerning "afk" mafia in the first Storm Mafia and because of lack of activity requirements we need to keep an eye on that.

On March 25 2016 08:07 Shapelog wrote:

IIRC i didn't do the bolded. Tube questioned me about it and i said i would look back at your posts.

I thought the concept was good because it would theoretically make a good town circle if it worked. I didn't take into the account of what happens to the blue roles and how it would play out (I should of).

I think rik is town because he tried to make a play that would help town in his opinion. Why would scum put that much attention on themselves? to snag some blue roles? I admit the excuation was awful because of Calling Damdred blue/scum, thus giving away any benefits it might have.

Also if it was a mafia play, i think it would of been thought out more and he wouldn't out it. I feel like he hasn't really plan for a response to this mess, which would make since if he is town.

On March 25 2016 08:08 Superbia wrote:
All right, now that I have both your attention I want to continue the train of thought.

Everyone kind of agrees that gumshoe's post was somewhat scummy, and that it was an easy scum-push regardless of alignment. So I'm inclined to believe that -a- scum would pile on the push. Agreed?

On March 25 2016 08:17 Superbia wrote:
It is somewhat arbitrary JAT, but gumshoe flipping green is the most relevant info we have right now.

On March 25 2016 08:23 Superbia wrote:
Rso didn't care for the gumshoe wagon. Neither did JAT or Rels iirc.

On March 25 2016 08:32 Superbia wrote:
Also I'm going to make a wild calculated guess and say that one between Rels and JAT is 3rd party.

On March 25 2016 08:37 Superbia wrote:
I actually feel super good about my circles right now. Just don't have a straight up mafia I want to push. Like Tumblewood/Damdred would be okay-ish but I'd rather keep my vote on rso and see where that brings us?

Thoughts anyone?

On March 25 2016 08:42 Superbia wrote:


That's fine. Can we pretend we're both town for the rest of today and see where that brings us? May help me on your alignment.

On March 25 2016 09:22 Shapelog wrote:
When was the last time i got deep sleep? Tuesday? Jeez.

Anyways,

I still would lynch:
VA- Mellow yellow, need more out of him
Tumble/Rsoul- one of them. Want TUBMLE TO FUCKUONG RESPOND!@!!!!
Mr.Stutter - Just disappeared after asking me a question
OWS
Sandman as a Plynch

Still need to dive JAT, Kunimi, Someone i prob. forgetting.

On March 25 2016 16:33 sandroba wrote:
Read up till gumshoe died so far. It looks like slam shot him adn koshi somehow arrives at the conclusion it was ritoky. Kinda weird from koshi, but it seems like an honest mistake, not a fake dumb tell. Ritoky btw looks like is very likely townie, not really because of his vt gambit (which could be done by mafia if they had the roles early), but because of how much he believes his plan was the shit. As town we tend to think our dumb plan is so great imo =P.
Weird that slam didn't make any coments after the shot if it was him (which I'm inclined to believe). If I had to decide right here I'd say slam is scum.

On March 25 2016 21:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Just sandroba.
I've got a bunch of experience with sandroba and iirc he's completely useless as mafia - he posts very little and the posts he does make are easily recognized as illogical and bad. He is far and away stronger as town.

On March 25 2016 22:21 Kurumi wrote:


All that is in VA's filter is that he will be voting for rso and that he did not read much of the thread. He brought nothing of substance concerning rso, he said his vote would be be "half policy, half read". So no, he wasn't useful, he did not talk only about things important to him - his entire filter is just fluff like "oh man blues be blues everytime I play a game". He actively avoided talking about anything at all in any way and you believe that's better than talking? Bogus Vivax, bogus.
Why do you want to sheep sandroba? Why are you already agreeing that rso is a good lynch prior to having your own opinion?

On March 26 2016 00:51 sicklucker wrote:


I think the only people who would truly think someone is 3p is a mafia in an open setup. A town would just think they are mafia and asume there is no 3rd party. but a mafia would see dandred playing weird look at their qt and see hes not in said qt. Knowing dandreds not mafia that mafia would then know that said dandred is third party.

On March 25 2016 23:18 Tubesock wrote:
Rso, I'd liek to talk about Tumble.

His only real read is Vivax is town. Which I agree with. He also didn't like the pile on of Gumdrops and came out with 2 suspects for it, which I also agree one (well the one, Hi Kurumi!!!). He also thinks Slam is town, which I also agree with. His sin really is not putting out more reads but he has a few in there and I don't get the impression he's trying to be substantive.

So, why do you think he's scum?

Outside of Ritoky's "play" I think he's town. I don't think it's at all outside his mafia play to make a bold move like that, but I guess I think there are better people to lynch?

On March 26 2016 00:01 Damdred wrote:



I like this post, its a good post.

time to eat

On March 26 2016 00:28 rsoultin wrote:


this is not what tube said at all and i'm pretty sure you know that -_-

On March 26 2016 00:28 rsoultin wrote:


this is not what tube said at all and i'm pretty sure you know that -_-

On March 26 2016 04:45 sicklucker wrote:


we can probably let him get mod killed...

On March 26 2016 00:32 rsoultin wrote:


hyperbole much?

like, you're right, these reads came later cause he entered the thread later, which is why i questioned him on gum to begin with since gum was doing the same thing he's accusing you of doing, yet you're completely misrepresenting what he's scumreading you for which just makes me twitch ><

On March 26 2016 04:57 Damdred wrote:
I could lynch tube though he's on my list

On March 26 2016 04:30 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote tubesock

voting tubesock because rsoultin is the worst lynch I ever saw in my life. Not kidding. I am puking.

On March 26 2016 05:57 Rels wrote:

You quoted a post explaining how rsoul is scum and another one explaining why LS, who rsoul townreads, might be scum. Why should rsoul read these posts and be like "I was wrong rit could be town" ?

On March 26 2016 06:06 Shapelog wrote:
*math states the at least 1 to 2 people might be scum when using 4 player mafia team.

On March 26 2016 06:08 Rels wrote:
Caught up.
I don't want to lynch rsoultin.She's kinda underwhelming but she was also there talking about reads for a long time.
Tube on the other hand is a good lynch I think, I liked JAT and Kurumi's posts about him. Gonna filter him after that post to see if that changes my mind or not.
Still want to lynch ritoky too. For all the old reasons + he didn't do anything since. Like, it's really different from the town!ritoky I remember from two past games: I want to be a millionaire and ... nutcracker I think ? The one before outlaw. In those games, ritoky was challenging the thread with questions, and in nutcracker guiding the lynch towards someone scummy BUT while at the same time keeping the people he could read alive even if they were scummy. Like it showed a will to solve the game which is not there in this game; he did the plan and that is it.

Who I thnk is town in random order: Vivax, OWS, Kurumi, SL, Slam, JAT, Shape, Koshi, Tumble.
Who I'm OK lyncihng: tube, ritoky, Stutters, VA.
People I didn't list or I forgot are either null or slight lean one way or the other.

On March 26 2016 06:12 Rels wrote:

Stutters is actually the ideal person for a Slam shot. Hopefully he's dealt with by a vig.
You towread VA ?

On March 26 2016 06:12 Shapelog wrote:

I was just using a 4 player mafia team because a 5 player mafia team was just a tad bit harsh for the point i was making. Perhaps a 4 and 1/2 scum team should suffice no?

Pretty much. Though i think the scum team number should be roughly 4-5 since for m18 it was 4. idk how Mr.PAL-mar balances though.

On March 26 2016 06:19 Shapelog wrote:

Oh yeahhhhhhhhh, i forgot about that. :/
I was talking about this because you typed something about it. IF you are talking about the original post, i want to know what LS thinks about Tube or anyone for that matter that he finds sus.

On March 26 2016 06:25 Rels wrote:

The biggest thing for him being scum is this post. A lot of hours after its first reason to scumread Kurumi, tube is still stuck with the same reasonning. His scumread is not evolving with the thread.
Futhermore, there is also the fact that he is so focused on only a couple people. Plus the read switch on me. Plus the "I would have scumread gumshoe if Kurumi didn't jump on him" sentence with doens't make sense.

On March 26 2016 06:34 Superbia wrote:
RSO stop lurking right now.

On March 26 2016 06:37 Shapelog wrote:
Actually yeah That post from tube is a bit off. Thought i feel like rsoul is still mafia so i am sticking to my guns.

Idk about tube anymore tbh. Felt at first like a town tunneling onto someone but these points you are making Rels. I can't really deny it doesn't make much sense.

Still annoyed that wagons are not here.

On March 26 2016 06:40 sicklucker wrote:
I think I want to vote rstoulin even tho tube is also mafia just because I think its easy to kill tube tormorow and get two mafia if that makes any sense. But hum

On March 26 2016 06:43 Superbia wrote:


I don't even read tube in any particular way (i.e. I don't really have a read on him at all). Also wagon was formed rather quickly and I do not recall anyone feeling particularly strong about him at all during the course of the day. So feels like pile-on votes. But whatever. 20m in a 21 player game is not enough time to do anything. He will probably flip town and rso will probably have to be shot or checked during the night.

On March 26 2016 06:49 Superbia wrote:


What? It's great to figure out the game's flow.

On March 26 2016 06:47 Damdred wrote:
I'm here traffic was bad I voted tube.

JAT just don't get cold feat today: (

On March 26 2016 06:52 Superbia wrote:
I'm hoping for 6 flips.

On March 26 2016 07:05 sicklucker wrote:
Ya no im just really smart =]

On March 26 2016 07:08 Shapelog wrote:
Why are so many people saying they are going to flip?
All you doing is making mafia decided wither or not they want to WIFOM you or not.

On March 26 2016 07:09 Superbia wrote:
PR actions should not be discussed.

Though rso is a decent night KP target imo. I don't care if it's PR KP, mafia KP or 3rd party KP. Good shot either way.

On March 26 2016 07:12 Koshi wrote:
If you want to know who is mafia open my list post. Well at least we lynched a null read of mine.

On March 26 2016 07:12 sicklucker wrote:
Like i clearly didnt care if tube got lynched and thought he was scummy. I just came to the conclusion near the deadline that rstoul is probably stupid confident because SHE HAS 8 MAFIA BACKING HER UP AND LYNCH BAIT TO COMPETE WITH

like she was not even here for the deadline at least tubesock made it clear he could not make it

On March 26 2016 08:00 Damdred wrote:
Hmmmm why am I in parenthesis jat you can be insulting if need be

On March 26 2016 08:23 Koshi wrote:

I think my list is pretty good. But we will see. I am hoping I get flak later though. And I will defend myself minimally.

On March 26 2016 08:40 Damdred wrote:
Lol I was just poking a bit of fun q.q

Really though I do agree that I wasn't as involved as I should,of been.

Even though it night be worthwhile to kill Tina with how the wagons were I'm not sure exactly if she is scum considering how lax both wagons were and with people pushing one way or another especially with Tina up for lynch. That is total void depending on how she acts because she had a really good chance to be lynched.

Its also probable we need to lynch into,the afk no voters though just s we don't get into,the position later in game where we lose due to no votes. I hope we have another vig or bomber I think stutters is a good example.

I think I'm most secure still with jat and super as top towns I,need to reread. Really some of the non voters are surprising

On March 26 2016 10:25 Tictock wrote:
ok I made it to pg 20 before getting distracted again

On March 26 2016 23:44 sandroba wrote:
That's one way of looking at it. Another way is I wasn't here so I couldn't push it harder but I was on her, "top town by many" superbia was on her, "top town by many" jat was considering switching to her and no one had a real reason for lynching tube, but despite all of that she ended up not being lynched.

Also what do you make of the strong hint of I'm blue don't shoot me in her last post? Do you think that's likely a townie mentality at this juncture?

On March 26 2016 23:40 Vivax wrote:
the 4 people who didn't vote have to be shot if possible, preferably either TickTock or stutters. Don't claim if it you do it.

On March 27 2016 00:13 sandroba wrote:
no u.

On March 27 2016 00:20 sandroba wrote:

Yes, why do you ask?

On March 27 2016 00:37 Koshi wrote:

sandroba is calling the obvious townies mafia (rsoultin, Vivax) and focussing on making them look bad. Simply destroying town circles from forming.

Sandroba hasn't focussed on solving the game. Look in his filter and see that he is ignoring to give reads on 15 people in the game. Simply because he isn't involved enough in this game to give a fuck about that as mafia. Only gives information away.

Actually called ritoky 100% town and based a case on rsoultin for that. That reason alone is ridiculous and 100% mafia.

On March 27 2016 11:16 Koshi wrote:
explain the interactions between the engineers better. And try to give it all at once because the more you hold back the more I think you are mafia.

Just spill it all out. Only leave out what would be bad for mafia to know. but say EVERYTHING else.

You are stalling.

On March 27 2016 02:47 Damdred wrote:
Still no tina, stutters, Tt and others: (

Please help us vigilante and shoot smart... but I know you big will go big and shoot jat or SL and say you were going big.

On March 27 2016 03:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Tbh I'm kind of shocked that tube was actually lynched considering how horribly inactive I was. I think that tells us something about the scumteam in that they probably didn't care very much about either lynch, I.E. it's unlikely scum was up for lynch.

On March 27 2016 03:53 Damdred wrote:
Ows is a smart man

On March 27 2016 07:41 LightningStrike wrote:

I object the lynch Tina despite everything you think it was most likely town vs town day 1.

On March 27 2016 10:11 sandroba wrote:
His plan is too stupid to come from mafia, he seemed too proud of it to be mafia, him coming out and bragging about his plan after a townie just got shot is too balsy to be mafia, multiple posts from him I find thoughtfull and none sound fake to me.
What makes you so sure he is mafia? All I can read is that you think he could do that plan thing as mafia, which doesn't make him mafia at all. He is right that you are not considering anything else and is tunneled on this idea without adding any other value to the thread. You can't say he is mafia for having a scum read on you because I'm town and I do as well, calling it BS doesn't make it go away.
Suppose you are wrong about ritoky, who is mafia?
If you are town you should be in a unique position to analyse day 1 wagons, should maybe start with that?

On March 27 2016 11:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Like, I guess rso being up for lynch and not getting lynched was something?
But it still feels really weird because nobody ever really sheeps me and me getting my lynch despite not being around to ensure it is weird.

On March 27 2016 11:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I don't understand why I should think this. Elaborate?
I actually touched on this a bit earlier and said that both wagons being really close and me being busy at the time probably meant that both wagons were town.

On March 27 2016 11:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


The bolded seems slightly inaccurate.

On March 27 2016 11:36 rsoultin wrote:


Cause I really am a good town player but I would have understood if people shot me. I should be more active around Monday but I can't be sure.

On March 27 2016 11:40 rsoultin wrote:


I said I'd discuss what y'all want but this is stupid. Can't really play much till Monday so stop calling me useless. Was anything but funking useless when I was here so you can call me a liar if you want or just accept that I don't have the time to delve right now

On March 27 2016 11:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Vivax is starting to fall off a bit tbh.
Maybe he's scum.

On March 27 2016 11:40 sandroba wrote:

How likely you guys think it is that palmar introduces this kind of variance to the game for no particular reason?
I mean some person has to invent something give to the other who can use it the next phase and it has only 50% chance of working and you only know what it does after you use it, you don't even know if whoever invented it is town or not.

On March 20 2016 07:49 marvellosity wrote:
it would be great if we could get 5ish more players.

Storm games are always great and well balanced, and Palmar considers them normal so there's nothing too crazy like alignment changes or stuff people feel uncomfortable about

basically pls join :>

On March 27 2016 12:53 sicklucker wrote:
ok ya. I forgot slam was a vig. your both probably not viggies.

On March 27 2016 13:10 sandroba wrote:

I don't think I would claim my shot as SK. Especially considering there were no mafia kills, I would probably just be happy to leave people wondering why mafia shot stutters.
I don't think you should make it your job to throw doubt on me jat. I think already enough people are going to tinfoil about that regardless.

On March 27 2016 15:10 Alakaslam wrote:

You

Dude



That's all I have. No wait you didn't go far enough

"You are not helpful. You shoot town. You are a pain in every game you are in."

I see into your posts, you do not hide as well as the others do though better than rayn does.

On March 27 2016 15:18 Alakaslam wrote:

Anyone can pull this off but I remember emotional things with unfortunate clarity. I make associations on just about everything and study social interaction far more than anyone normally does due to my social inabilities; because I cannot sense context normally as most people do without thinking, I must study every nuance, every facial expression, every unspoken truth

And I have dealt with most scenarios multiple times

And when things look exactly the same, I question how they could not be actually the same thing

So

Save face but don't expect my reaction to change

On March 27 2016 20:00 Tictock wrote:


Finished reading up till EoD. This vote is really odd as a final count, both Rsoul and Tube voting Kuru and everyone piled on them... could be a TvT. I think one of Kuru or Rsoul is probably scum though.

Reads at this point:

VayneAuthority - Null - + Show Spoiler +
Kurumi - Scum lean - + Show Spoiler +
Stutters695 - Turns out was a blue...
Damdred - mild scum lean - + Show Spoiler +
sandroba - town - + Show Spoiler +
ObiWanShinobi - town lean -+ Show Spoiler +
Koshi - town - + Show Spoiler +
Rels - town lean - + Show Spoiler +
justanothertownie - town lean - + Show Spoiler +
ritoky - slight scum lean - + Show Spoiler +
sicklucker - Town lean - + Show Spoiler +
Alakaslam - Scum - + Show Spoiler +
Tumblewood - Null/slight town lean - + Show Spoiler +
Shapelog - Null - + Show Spoiler +
Vivax - Town - + Show Spoiler +
rsoultin - Scum lean - + Show Spoiler +
LightningStrike - scum lean - + Show Spoiler +
Superbia - Town - + Show Spoiler +

On March 27 2016 20:33 Kurumi wrote:

I crumbed it earlier, was on him since the very first post and had a big post on him before the deadline? Why would I NOT should Koshi? I like the idea of shooting lurkers, but given that we have too many of them I wanted to kill the guy who is not the most active nor the least, so the perfect scum spot.

On March 27 2016 20:37 Kurumi wrote:

I am not giving Mafia a single additional role action, not after RoL Poisoner fiasco in the first one. No chance. No chance in fucking hell. I am not waiting on Koshi, his time is up - he had entire D1 to get off his shitty list play and he didn't, he got active during the night being all cocky.

On March 27 2016 20:43 Kurumi wrote:

Are you certain of surviving any night ever? I wasn't. I am not. We lynched, I think Toad, based on his line saying that we'll see him tomorrow. He was scum. If that doesn't work for you, then why Koshi puts the most effort during the night, when nothing can be changed?

On March 26 2016 07:21 justanothertownie wrote:
List of usually competent people who really need to step up their game:

sandro
Koshi
ritoky
rsoultin
(damdred)

I will make it my mission to see to enforce this day2.

On March 28 2016 03:07 Koshi wrote:
Confirmed Town
+ Show Spoiler +
Likely Town
+ Show Spoiler +
Maybe town
+ Show Spoiler +
Not going to lynch Town
+ Show Spoiler +
Null
+ Show Spoiler +
Won't lynch right now Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +
Maybe Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +
Likely Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +
Confirmed Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +
Game is hard.

On March 28 2016 12:52 rsoultin wrote:
if you're certain on jat i'm gonna accept that (within reason) cause the way he was acting around the lynch was actually pretty off. same with sl >< though to be fair it wasn't off in a way that couldn't be town sl. like jat seemed to be sniping at everyone for preferring one lynch over another but didn't actually seem that invested in his own vote, and well sl being sl...i think both have to be left for now, though

On March 28 2016 15:00 sicklucker wrote:
but if koshis like a third party that cant be killed by kp only lynched or needs to be hit with more then one kp to die. He would claim medic save because thats his only option.

So thats one way to explain the second medic theory

On March 28 2016 18:23 Vivax wrote:
So I guess I'll bump up rso in the scumbook, but then I can't really explain to myself shapes and sandros votes on D1. Sandro did scummy stuff even though he isnt in the super apathetic scum meta I know of him and shape is just a different person than in every other game ive played with him, in which he was always town, so these two guys ive me a pause from fully accepting a rso scum world.

On March 28 2016 21:39 LightningStrike wrote:
I just woke up and sicklucker is full tunnel on me -_- Maybe paranoia because of last game? Tina been defending herself while talking to sicklucker and ritoky.
@JAT: Is it possible that Koshi could not have fire as town? Just curious because you played with him more than me.

On March 28 2016 21:53 Superbia wrote:
JAT what you think of Vivax?

On March 28 2016 21:51 LightningStrike wrote:

VA and Rels plus probably Koshi if JAT is right on him.
See my who I want to lynch post for VA and Rels.
Koshi I might sheep JAT one maybe but he my least comfortable lynch atm.

On March 28 2016 21:58 sandroba wrote:
I'm up for lynching koshi, vivax or rels instead of rsoul. I think I prefer koshi too.

@rsoul supposedly you did get an item today which you can use right? Maybe the effect is ultra pro town and you could pehaps "prove" yourself if the rng is your friend. '
Worth a shot I suppose, it's not like we lack scummy people to lynch.

On March 28 2016 22:08 Vivax wrote:
Superbia is 80% mafia cause he misinterepreted my joke post about shitty reads from claims which he wouldn't if he realized that the entire day I spent ranting about that way of forming reads.

He's probably trying to rescue rsoultin here by trying to find some shitty mislynch. The first post here (which is the later one) is the post he thinks contained my reads on ritoky and rsoultin when literally two posts before I said the stuff in the second post.





Which definitely isn't a townread but a reason to be hesitant to lynch them. A player like superbia is not this bad as town, never. He's one of the best towns around and this game he isn't. Easy scumread.

On March 28 2016 22:24 Vivax wrote:
100 % mafia

On March 28 2016 22:30 Vivax wrote:
I don't even see why I should answer this question spam, they're just a way of keeping me busy and give no useful information. If anyone else has useful questions they can be answered.But JAT and super are on the lynch list.

The important thing I gained from this is that Koshi is most likely town cause he pointed the finger at the right guys recently.

My reads obviously changed since D1 based on stuff that has been happening.
Of course I react aggressively to someone using bad and scummy reasoning to try to mislynch me, especially when it's so easy to display how superbia didn't even read up to two posts previous to that post before inventing a reason to paint me scummy.

On March 28 2016 22:38 Vivax wrote:
Im curious to see if you can answer that question, otherwise its a pretty pointless question to have a confident 5 man team or however many there are in a game with people like TT, Slam and a ton of people not playing to their usual metas like Shape and Koshi. But good thing Koshi is out of the way. I can't confidently name 5 people, for today I can only hope that rsoultin flips mafia and I'll know if scum had to pile up to save her yesterday.

On March 28 2016 22:43 Vivax wrote:


Rels is good as scum guess, VA is a crapshot, TT is good, Tumble I kinda townread for his daring read on Slam on D1 but it might be a shit read, Koshi depends on your alignment which I lean mafia on cause of you tried to find a quick reason to call me mafia which is proven to be a joke post.

I think rsoul/TT/All the vig claims/yourself/JAT/Rels/Shape/Koshi have done suspicious stuff in their own right, I don't know which combination it is until I have more information, but I feel good about lynching rsoultin cause she said I wasn't trying to solve the game when D1 I got townread precisely for that and she didn't try to figure out which mafias were pushing her, instead her pushers got townread and hesitant people scumread based on probably thread sentiment.

On March 28 2016 22:53 Vivax wrote:


Not everyone, Damdred also said at some point he believes I could be mafia but I felt it was justified to assume for my tendency to simply go afk for days as scum.

I pretty much scumread people who push scum on me for shitty reasons a lot of time, but only when I can see why those are shitty reasons. Rsoultins and superbias were shitty reasons.

On March 28 2016 23:08 Vivax wrote:
Well it's not a pile on when im third to vote of like 7 or 8 people and on top of it you just leave out the post where I explain why I actually scumread him. Thanks, gives me more confidence that you are mafia, just trying to throw at me whatever can stick and if it doesn't you go look for more ammunition that is just as bad as the previous one.

Here's why I voted tubesock. Try finding something more credible on your third attempt.

On March 28 2016 23:10 sandroba wrote:
you mention jat is town in every post damdred, it's a bit weird. no one isn't even going against jat wtf are you talking about?

On March 28 2016 23:16 Vivax wrote:


Well JAT would be fine if he didn't spend all his time just trying to sound witty and taunt me. He's not solving the game or creating information, just spamming it up.

On March 28 2016 23:18 LightningStrike wrote:
JAT to answer your question about Rels and VA:
VA is a meta borrowing from(gasp) Kush from Star Wars where I see some of his star wars posting atm and VA was scum there.
Rels: Okay he haven't done much stuff and usually tries to be the main voice at times and I not been feeling it this game and a good you had about the obs qt in Cell he forgot to give a read on me plus he would try harder to figure out my alignment.

On March 28 2016 23:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
alright I caught up on the thread im back. Really no reason to post a big post about 800+ posts so I will answer questions if there are any.

Specific things that triggered me -

1. voting yesterday. Was pretty dead tbh so trying to decide if that was possibly a town on town lynch or if it was just the holiday weekend.

2. I was thinking rels could be scum at some point then i started reading a bunch of posts of people i want nothing to do with thinking rels is scum which is weird. Potential separating maneuver? I do think Rels is a decent lynch still honestly his reads and paradigm of posting so far are meh.

3. Pretty sure Koshi is doing his play as bad as possible thing to stay alive. I would just assume whatever he says he means the opposite, would explain a lot of his posts/reads. No real point to respond to anything he says until its like day four.

4.This LS/rsoultin/etc circlejerk is still making me gag, please make it go away. Probably read like 20-25 posts reading through of them just sucking eachother off and saying that the other is town for zero reason and they dont want to lynch eachother. Exactly what the policy part of my vote was about.

my mafia atm - Rsoultin, Rels, Tictock, Alakaslam, ????

On March 28 2016 23:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I started agreeing with it and then kind of axed that idea when I started moving people around.
Tumble is probably my top scum along with Tt and I've got a few outliers that aren't concrete yet.

On March 29 2016 00:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I know, he did that earlier in the game with tumble where he accused him of being scum because of pregame stuff.
It's really starting to wear on me.

On March 29 2016 00:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Rso is one of the outliers I've mentioned so her getting lynched is, imo, not terrible.

Though I'm not sure what the case on koshi is? Can someone explain pls?