On March 31 2016 23:30 Rels wrote:Why ritoky is scum and will be lynched tomorrow1. His mindset on claims doesn't match with his playOK this is Koshi's point. It's the biggest him against ritoky. ritoky has stated that he dislikes claim centric gameplay, but a large majority of his posts are centered on claims. That actually starts with his very first one, since he opened the game with a plan to make all VT claim and form a confirmed VT circle. A few sample:
What he says he's doing:
Show nested quote +On March 28 2016 17:04 ritoky wrote:
reading this phase has made me kinda remember why i stopped playing on another forum i played on. and why i don't sign up for a lot of games with tons of PRs....cuz if you roll VT i feel like the game becomes less about reading people and a battle of wits and more about evaluating PRs and their claims and its kinda meh feeling.
What he's actually doing:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 24 2016 07:17 ritoky wrote:![[image loading]](http://assets.forddirect.fordvehicles.com/assets/2016_Ford_Expedition_J1/NGBS/Model_Image3/Model_Image3_136B520C-1AD6-4419-8794-C04F8794C04F.png)
On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours.
damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT.
On March 24 2016 10:16 ritoky wrote:
SL
vivax
supebia
damdred
lightningstrike
On March 25 2016 06:57 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 06:38 Rels wrote:
ritoky could you lay out exactly what town benefits you were going for with your plan ?
i spelled it out multiple times, but sure.
i am vt, i know nothing about the setup since it is closed. i have been in closed setups that are basically the same as a normal game and closed setups with 20 players, 19 of which are roles or mafia. i wanted to gauge the nature of how many PRs were in the game while locating all the VTs and narrowing down my potential mafia greatly.
so i angle shot using the name of the role, assuming all town roles are named the same thing and that mafia either didn't get fake role pms or were too careless to reference them and understand what i was doing before it was already too late. the goal was to utilize the picture of the expedition, have people understand it, realize expedition was also in their role pm, and start forming a coalition of townies who understood we were all town based on the understanding of the expedition. from there you have a large block of people who identify eachother as near lock town and there is a vast amount of control over the day phase because of it as well as a smaller pool of people for potentially mafia. it forces mafia into an awkward spot where they have to choose to not PR hunt and leave PRs alive thus costing them a great deal or leave this large block of semi-confirmed townies alive and concede a ton of day phase control. the mafia lose something large either way.
i think it is a pretty well devised plan, apparently i am alone.
On March 27 2016 15:49 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 11:20 sandroba wrote:
Rsoul, why is shooting you would be "a really bad idea"?
So far you claimed a role that you apparently don't know what it does, it can simply do nothing. Or another reason for not shoot you is because you are an extremelly valuable town asset, which I'm not seeing either.
This. Very much this. Your role is effectively useless without its counterpart which is someone you don't know and who could be of the opposite alignment? You don't know what your role is capable of; but it is a "really bad idea" to shoot you or lynch you? Also when your role is this convoluted to the point where even if you claimed it in the thread no one would really know what the hell it does and if you're a priority night kill; why don't you claim it when you're tied in votes and have to leave the thread?
That said I have slightly softened based on the content of the claim because it almost seems so wonky it might be true...but her play and the method of claim and everything about this stinks.....ugh I wanna conf bias so hard on this.
On March 28 2016 17:14 ritoky wrote:
i will be the first one to tell you rsoul that my execution of that plan was bad. the plan is good, execution bad. said it a bunch of times and have since moved on cuz if i bring it up people take that opportunity to call me an idiot and being called bad/trash/dumb gets old so i will just keep my disagreements on the matter to myself going forward.
i posted the picture -> people aren't grasping what i am doing because they scroll past the picture w/o thinking -> i make a post indicating the picture is a play -> that post was dumb and i shoulda just stayed quiet to let it develop -> the play then becomes a clusterfuck. basically it fucked up because i, as a player, am bad at staying quiet and on the sidelines when i am available to post. if that explanation doesn't reach you, that's on you cuz it is the truth.
outside of that, which i guess i can understand how my filter can be read as me utilizing my play to confirm myself rather than build something (altho i do tend to try and find ridiculous ways to confirm myself as town); no i don't understand how i can be read mafia. i have deep reads, not as much as i would like but that's due to the holiday primarily, have spent a lot of time attempting to drive the game forward or develop my reads (i mean a lot of this is at your expense so i guess you wouldn't view it as useful)....and i think some of what i have done and said i can't do as mafia....so yeah i think i am pretty blatantly town outside of the fact that i was spamming the word expedition and claiming VT and then a VT flipped as an expedition member.
On March 28 2016 17:48 ritoky wrote:
i am trying to evaluate if it is even worth lynching rsoul today.....supposedly she has an item that has a 50% chance of turning into an action or blowing up and being useless immediately upon night phase correct?
so the options are:
1 - town -> item -> potential useful information
2 - town -> nothing -> we are at the same place tomorrow
3 - mafia -> item -> net loss, will probably say no item or lie about usage to seem more town
4 - mafia -> nothing -> we are at the same place tomorrow
ugh that's a shitty EV imo
On March 30 2016 12:28 ritoky wrote:
i am still stuck on what the hell rsoul's plan was supposed to be.......i mean it is entirely possible she just lied about her role and how it works.....but what's her plan there.
if damdred is mafia with her -> gives explanation why damdred keeps living through phases, since "mafia is afraid to shoot the vest"
if damdred is town -> "i gave damdred a vest" -> "uhhh, no you didn't" -> "guess i was roleblocked guys!" -> get lynched
it is very confusing to me right now.
On March 31 2016 06:51 ritoky wrote:
is mass claim a terrible idea right here?
On March 31 2016 12:49 ritoky wrote:you're claiming a role in direct conflict with the OP and stated rules. if you live you need to explain. if i am alive and you do not, my vote will be on you and i will encourage every other vote to be on you too. we are lynching mafia and likely reducing kp (whether it is kp/faction or 2kptill2) so i am willing to postpone this discussion until tomorrow, but it will be happening next day phase.
On March 31 2016 20:43 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 20:40 Rels wrote:On March 31 2016 20:34 ritoky wrote:On March 31 2016 20:20 Rels wrote:On March 31 2016 19:26 ritoky wrote:
someone is smoking the good stuff
If you're town I hope you become extremely obvious town very soon 'cause I can't even imagine it right now.
Let's talk. What do you think of Damdred ?
.......do you not even read my filter? like seriously you say i don't do shit then you ask a question like this.
thinking anything of damdred is irrelevant. he has claimed he is notified of the result of his protections, which the rules say you aren't. he has said there's a reason. if he survives the night he needs to explain that reason otherwise i am voting on him. doctor claiming notifications when op says no notifications and surviving 2 nights essentially while claimed is a problem; but one that doesn't matter until tomorrow.
ofc i already said all of this if you read my filter, but hey i don't do anything.
You motherfucker are just repeating what you've already said. I don't care about your thoughts and his claim. You shouldn't only care about that since you said you were tired of centering the game around claims. You have a known soulread on Damdred. What does this soulread tells you about him ?
dunno, haven't read his filter. was going to, then he claimed so i didn't care and still don't because his game is now entirely claim centric. he's a claimed medic, if he dies he is town, if he doesn't he is mafia....pretty mafia 101, there's no particular value in evaluating his play
First, his plan is scum motivated because it has benefits and weakness: its benefit is the creation of a confirmed town circle, the weakness is that it helps scum to bluehunt.
Now scum is very likely to have access to fakeclaim, so there is actually no benefit since we cannot believe the results of the plan. Even if we were sure it was not the case, a smart scum could have realized very quickly what ritoky was doing and enter the plan, making it work for only the first few person to claim to become confirmed. Finally, even if smart scum didn't realize the plan before too late, they STILL could arguee the previous point to cast doubt on the confirmed status of the VT.
To summarize, the plan itself has benefits for scum mainly. This doesn't mean much for ritoky's alignment 'cause townies can push bad plan. But there is something that is super scum indicative.
ritoky played this plan not to discover VTs but to confirm himself town. He blew his plan very quickly, making comment on what he was doing along the way, making it obvious what he was going for. After that, the plan couldn't work; there is no town!motivation to do that. Absolutely none. The scum!motivation is to clearly show that he was really trying to solve the game via a smart plan, so he was town.
In particular, this post doesn't make any sense from a town perspective:
Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote:On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours.
damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT.
He posted this 1h30 after the picture. Bluehunting only helps scum. If ritoky was town and saw that his plan was not working, he would shut up about his resulsts and move on to something else, either abandonning his plan or hoping it would work later when more people saw the picture. Posting "Damdred is not VT" doesn't do anything to push town forward; it does the opposite.
3. His attitude, especially compared to previous games in which he was townritoky has only a few elaborate reads. He's not doing much to push the game forward. His only elaborate reads that doens't rely on claims are on LS, rsoul and me. It looks like he tryharded his push against rsoul and lost this motivation after that. Incidentally, townies should have the opposite reaction to 2-soon-to-be-3 scum death in a row.
This is a scummy attitude by itself, but it's even worst when you take meta into account. ritoky has coached me, so I can say without the shadow of a doubt that he is a very smart player that knows how to evaluate people smartly. For example, he has a very good read on me. I remember the nutcracker game in which he was killed N1; I was town but was super inactive D1. Some people wanted to lynch me. But ritoky was in control of the game, stating that my lynch (and a few others) were off-limit 'cause he wanted to have more infos on me. That is how ritoky plays as town. Proactively.
Same thing for Damdred. ritoky has a soulread on Damdred. It might not be as strong now as it used to be, due to Damdred improving his already-very-good scum play lately; but I'm sure ritoky never tried to not read Damdred in a game where he was town. This game ? I made a post on that subject there:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 31 2016 21:41 Rels wrote:ritoky's read progression on Damdred. Never did he give a single, real, non-claim-related read on him when Damdred is supposed to be one of ritoky's best read. And even if that was not the case, it doesn't match up with "I don't like claim centric stuff" he says he has.
Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 05:28 ritoky wrote:
damdred doesn't make the list cuz he is speshul
Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 07:35 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote:
Whatever this is pointless
Then am I mafia ritoky
you're blue red or black. not green. if you think i am mafia then i am inclined toward red or black.
Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 07:59 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2016 07:52 Damdred wrote:
That wasn't the question Ritoky the question is give your actual read on me.
My read on you is already in my filter so let's have it and give up on this red blue or black keep it simple town scum etc.
me giving a real read on you day 1 literally got me hard pocketed last game so i am going back to my old strat of night 1 earliest solid read on you
Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 16:09 ritoky wrote:
i need to read damdred's filter at some point
Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 12:28 ritoky wrote:
i am still stuck on what the hell rsoul's plan was supposed to be.......i mean it is entirely possible she just lied about her role and how it works.....but what's her plan there.
if damdred is mafia with her -> gives explanation why damdred keeps living through phases, since "mafia is afraid to shoot the vest"
if damdred is town -> "i gave damdred a vest" -> "uhhh, no you didn't" -> "guess i was roleblocked guys!" -> get lynched
it is very confusing to me right now.
Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 13:05 ritoky wrote:
ritoky - town
damdred - town cuz claim; only revisit if 3 nights later is still alive
sl - town cuz claim + diff play from when mafia + telling rsoul in thread "your best bet it to push rels" would have just posted that in qt
kurumi - town under the assumption shot rsoul
sandroba - town cuz claiming shot there only makes sense from onegu style mafia, sandro doesn't strike me as 1gu style
tumblewood - town cuz votes unless koshi is red
kinda my headspace
Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 20:43 ritoky wrote:On March 31 2016 20:40 Rels wrote:On March 31 2016 20:34 ritoky wrote:On March 31 2016 20:20 Rels wrote:On March 31 2016 19:26 ritoky wrote:
someone is smoking the good stuff
If you're town I hope you become extremely obvious town very soon 'cause I can't even imagine it right now.
Let's talk. What do you think of Damdred ?
.......do you not even read my filter? like seriously you say i don't do shit then you ask a question like this.
thinking anything of damdred is irrelevant. he has claimed he is notified of the result of his protections, which the rules say you aren't. he has said there's a reason. if he survives the night he needs to explain that reason otherwise i am voting on him. doctor claiming notifications when op says no notifications and surviving 2 nights essentially while claimed is a problem; but one that doesn't matter until tomorrow.
ofc i already said all of this if you read my filter, but hey i don't do anything.
You motherfucker are just repeating what you've already said. I don't care about your thoughts and his claim. You shouldn't only care about that since you said you were tired of centering the game around claims. You have a known soulread on Damdred. What does this soulread tells you about him ?
dunno, haven't read his filter. was going to, then he claimed so i didn't care and still don't because his game is now entirely claim centric. he's a claimed medic, if he dies he is town, if he doesn't he is mafia....pretty mafia 101, there's no particular value in evaluating his play
To repeat, ritoky got killed in nutcracker N1 because he was so active, proactive and most of all smartly questionning people and driving the thread. Same thing happened in millionaire: he was elected mayor because of his play D0. This is NOT how ritoky is playing this game. THis is way more similar to his passive play in Outlaws, when he just watched me get lynched D1. He would have lynched me D2 if he could in this current game.
To explain this change of heart, ritoky has had a few scummy excuses. Not gonna quote "normal" excuses which everyone make like "can't play tomorrow I'm traveling"; these are scum indicative because they try to explain why ritoky is playing bad for no reason.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 24 2016 15:55 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2016 13:03 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2016 13:02 LightningStrike wrote:On March 24 2016 12:58 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2016 12:56 LightningStrike wrote:
Am I your buddy Tina?
you're my town friend ^^ -curls up with- but prob not my buddy
I should be your buddy though O_o
well then maybe you should get on that lol ><
anywhooo...have class tomorrow and don't need to spam this thread up more than i already have
word to the wise, rit...get useful ^^ my itch to lynch you isn't going away
nah, i plan to stay at my current capacity. i carried and dumped too much effort into my last couple games and haven't spammed pictures or been a useless pile of shit in a while. gotta level that play and stick to my style of high variance. of course i say that today while i am emotionally stable, and i am prone to getting mad or sad and being a spamlord.
On March 28 2016 17:04 ritoky wrote:
reading this phase has made me kinda remember why i stopped playing on another forum i played on. and why i don't sign up for a lot of games with tons of PRs....cuz if you roll VT i feel like the game becomes less about reading people and a battle of wits and more about evaluating PRs and their claims and its kinda meh feeling.
On March 31 2016 20:43 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2016 20:40 Rels wrote:On March 31 2016 20:34 ritoky wrote:On March 31 2016 20:20 Rels wrote:On March 31 2016 19:26 ritoky wrote:
someone is smoking the good stuff
If you're town I hope you become extremely obvious town very soon 'cause I can't even imagine it right now.
Let's talk. What do you think of Damdred ?
.......do you not even read my filter? like seriously you say i don't do shit then you ask a question like this.
thinking anything of damdred is irrelevant. he has claimed he is notified of the result of his protections, which the rules say you aren't. he has said there's a reason. if he survives the night he needs to explain that reason otherwise i am voting on him. doctor claiming notifications when op says no notifications and surviving 2 nights essentially while claimed is a problem; but one that doesn't matter until tomorrow.
ofc i already said all of this if you read my filter, but hey i don't do anything.
You motherfucker are just repeating what you've already said. I don't care about your thoughts and his claim. You shouldn't only care about that since you said you were tired of centering the game around claims. You have a known soulread on Damdred. What does this soulread tells you about him ?
dunno, haven't read his filter. was going to, then he claimed so i didn't care and still don't because his game is now entirely claim centric. he's a claimed medic, if he dies he is town, if he doesn't he is mafia....pretty mafia 101, there's no particular value in evaluating his play
ritoky is scum. Lynch him as soon as there is no more claimed scum to lynch.
EPT
