Newbie Student Mafia XX

On April 05 2016 08:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Hello friends! I'm Town and absolutely not Mafia. Let's hunt those evil doers down!

On April 05 2016 10:51 LightningStrike wrote:

Ugh why the vote? I know he got his color mixed and all that but he probably was just looking for a reaction.

On April 05 2016 08:53 LightningStrike wrote:
Yay I rolled town which I really wanted so I can change my play style. Let's find scum!

On April 05 2016 10:54 LightningStrike wrote:

How was that joke awkward? I don't see a lot of awkwardness in it.

On April 05 2016 10:58 LightningStrike wrote:

Idk I think he was trying to see people's reaction for using the wrong colors that's all.

On April 05 2016 12:22 Tumblewood wrote:

It seems it did work for gathering reactions, though, did it not?

On April 05 2016 16:14 boxerfred wrote:
Hey guys. Im town. Artanis thread entry sparks up discussion but he couldve done this without the color mix. I like TWs reaction and i dont like Standard GB yolo vote. Also Damdreds entry is useless banter without any use to it which doesnt feel like usual town damdred stuff.

On April 07 2016 04:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
GB you said that you didn't believe my intent was to gather reactions. What do you believe my intent was and why did you think it was scummy?

On April 07 2016 05:17 Damdred wrote:
Obvious discrediting by gb is a go.

Anyway art I've mentioned several other people in the thread at different points I could lynch besides yourself so nah.

Like ls could lynch him to sadly.

On April 07 2016 05:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I can actually buy that. I think you would as either alignment. I just think you would actually have some form of followup as town.

On April 07 2016 05:25 GlowingBear wrote:
For now, my preferred lynch is boxerfred.

His town meta is usually being AFK without a single contribution and his mafia meta is usually the guy who actually play.

But way more important than that, he pushes Damdred but drop that push to go against tumblewood. I don't think that progression makes much sense

On April 07 2016 06:33 LightningStrike wrote:

Idk he went ham on Tumblewood more than Damdred and was giving us his thoughts when he was here.

On April 05 2016 09:19 Kuragari42 wrote:
I read in a shaky voice?? You think I'm some weak coward or something?!?

"Kuragari42 looked at the note and begin reading it off in a voice full of confidence."

There.

On April 06 2016 13:21 DoYouHas wrote:
I think TW is likely scum.

His "damn, caught me" comment to Artanis' list caught my eye. Mafia are more likely to play off pressure (even fake pressure) as a joke instead of flatly denying.


This post doesn't do anything. It's made to look like it does something but it argues itself into nothing. Step 1: let's analyze Art's play. Step 2: GB's vote was a waste and we are reading into nothing.

##Vote: Tumblewood

This also makes me suspicious of Art, but that is unflipped association for now.

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@Damdred, I'm usually riding the same mental groove as you by now. I'm hoping you just aren't trying yet, because I disagree with you on LS, who seems pretty townie to me.
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@The rest of you. Get talking. We can do better than the standard heavy activity right before deadline and a lame 47 other hours. If I end up being the activity police here we are in trouble.

On April 06 2016 13:25 Gossemerr wrote:
Tumbleweed was literally responding to GlowingBear's question of Art's opening. I think you are tunneling pretty hard.

On April 06 2016 22:25 Race Bannon wrote:
Bulletpointing how town CHodge is if he is town is what I expect scum to do at this point.

On April 06 2016 23:12 Damdred wrote:
Obviously you will say because I know my own alignment.

What I mean is why should you be town read. And why is ch just a brownie gone bad instead of mafia playing great?

On April 08 2016 12:45 LightningStrike wrote:

Because I broke that meta in Cell Who Wants To Be a Millionaire.

On April 07 2016 01:20 Gossemerr wrote:
I'm getting a scummy vibe from Race Bannon. My reasoning:

1. Early posts are fluff, no real added value.

2. This post: He says CHodge is voting a townie (Himself), but CHodge made a clear post about why he was voting him - which is a town characteristic. Doesn't really offer a counter argument - instead responds by dodging the question. He then votes LS seemingly out of nowhere - I guess because his townie read on CHodge.


3. Then he does try to explain, which lacks confidence IMO. And on top of that he goes against his own advice of sheeping as a mafia trait and explains his LS vote as a good lynch based on others and not his own opinions.


So I think RB is a possible mafia which is best read I have thus far.
##Vote: Race Bannon

On April 07 2016 07:25 Tumblewood wrote:

Damn, looked back at that original BF read... I understand the read progression part, but "usually more useless as town" is not a reason for a read ever.
I feel a lot stronger about this than boxerfred. ##Vote GB

On April 07 2016 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town.
Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back:


Fidei, please shit townie rainbows if you're actually town.

GlowingBear, please explain your BF read and thought process.

On April 08 2016 16:34 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey GB, I'm on the Artanis wagon just as much as you are, but I'm struggling to see why he would lead shennanys onto me at the last minute. That urge to change something up is something I always get as town and that I never get as Mafia.

On April 09 2016 05:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I have reconsidered it. Then you came back and posted more excuses. I have gone over your filter twice already in the past.
There is a difference between going afk to play DotA 2 2 hours before deadline or having uni. One is much more of a conscious choice than the other.

On April 09 2016 05:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Early Day1 I thought you were aware of my intentions of getting the game started and played along, but then you having absolutely no followups whatsoever changed that. The few reads you threw out there in the last page were meh and this omgus narrative is, as you would put it, kinda boring.

On April 09 2016 06:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Because shit was hectic and my mind was going everywhere with all the lynches going on. I wanted to hear more from both you and RB and neither of you were there nor had a chance to be there, whereas Fidei did and elected not to. That drove me to want to lynch him.

On April 10 2016 02:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Okay guys, you know who we're not lynching today? Me. I'm going to make a long-ass post right the fuck now and you're all going to read it and realize how bad you were for ever even considering me as scum, after which I will slam dunk scumbear some more. If for whatever reason you don't want to lynch him we can also lynch scum bannon. To keep your interest in this post and read it all the way through, I have uploaded several entertaining images depicting emotions I expect these two fellows to have as they go through this post.

This post will contain narrative and self-meta. Deal with it.

You're mafia because you wanted people to shenanny to Fidei when you were scumreading both GB and RB!
First off, I have never* shenannied as mafia, whereas I have shenannied many times as town. I keep things simple as mafia, going for the safe plays over the fancy plays. I like to have control, not cause even more chaos like what happened. No one could've predicted what would happen at EoD and if any of the lead wagons were scum and Fidei is town, I could end up looking really bad and/or scum ends up getting lynched instead.


But GB brought up this point about how you could push him the day after if you're scum!
That is technically correct. However, it is also narrative. Another explanation is that I simply thought Fidei was the most likely to flip mafia given the fact that Fidei generally tryhards, finds out he's playing a game 2 hours before deadline and doesn't put in any effort to do anything and just starts playing dota. I found that very unlikely to come from town. Since then I have changed my opinion on him given what he's posted during the night.

Regardless, there is clear town motivation for my actions. I tried getting the person I felt was most likely to flip scum lynched. I no longer think he's the most likely person to flip scum, so I'm persuing GRB.



But why did you instantly go after GB and RB again? Clearly you're confident enough that they're scum, so why?
GB's return to the thread has been less than impressive. He's tunneling me much like he usually tunnels HF. None of his posts have followup. He said he played along with me in the start, but never followed up on it. He commented on a bunch of things people have been posting, but none of those had followups either. Calls me scum but doesn't actually substantiate it until I call him out on it and doesn't push the issue until he sees that it's gaining some momentum.

So how certain are you that GB is going to flip scum?
Roughly.. 80%? Probably around 60% for RB.

Okay, so say the EoD shenannies don't make you scum. You still did nothing on the first part of D1 leading up to deadline.
I have said in the pregame that I intend to spend less time on this game than before. I still pinged plenty of people and as many have put it, sparked discussion. Reads on DYH, Tumblewood, GB and Spikasaur that weren't posted as prolifically yet as I had as well as poking Damdred and RB. I say that given the amount of time I've put in the game I've done my fair share.

Regardless you misremembered things about EoD!
Shit was hectic and I have bad memory. I don't believe having poor memory is alignment indicative, especially when it's about things that can easily be checked. No reason to lie as either alignment.

So there's basically no good reason to scumread you whatsoever?
Yup, that's kinda what it comes down to. Y'all are jubjubs.



Can you tell us why GB and RB are scum again now?
GlowingBear, I've already mentioned a lot of reasons why he's scum. No followup on anything he's done, and lack of caring in general. He created a narrative in which the actions at EoD make sense for him as town and me as scum, when actually the scenario that would make the most sense is for me to be town as I led a lynch off of him onto someone else whom could be scum. The only townie with the information that that isn't true is Fidei himself, and the fact that GB created this narrative before considering any others suggests an agenda.

Race Bannon has contradicted himself time and time again. Firstly what Gossemerr pointed out about him believing that it was a mafia trait to hard townread CHodge only to do it himself, and his push on LS feels feigned. He doesn't dare to commit on GB because he doesn't want to scumread his scumbuddy. There are no good arguments not to vote on GB especially for him as he was on the table himself and he KNOWS he's town. The fact that he seems so disengaged on all the people that were up for lynch yesterday is concerning.

So who are we lynching?
Glowingbear today. Race Bannon tomorrow. Could be convinced of the other order as well.



*Exception being Imperial where I shenannied onto Palmar, but if I hadn't scum Marv would've likely gotten lynched. No such risk this game as proven by BF's flip.

On April 10 2016 07:12 Fidei86 wrote:

I've been on the TW wagon from the start, but isn't there a world where he's Mafia and Art isn't?

On April 10 2016 07:18 LightningStrike wrote:

Pretty much what I was thinking.

On April 10 2016 07:24 LightningStrike wrote:

Maybe RB if we follow the LS rule and how he ignored talking about you.

On April 10 2016 07:24 LightningStrike wrote:

Maybe RB if we follow the LS rule and how he ignored talking about you.

On April 10 2016 07:28 LightningStrike wrote:

If you are scum it's because you were doing more narratives than I remember you doing.

On April 10 2016 07:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Should we mention everyone you haven't talked about either?
You have mentioned your third scumread, Spikasaur, exactly once. You were even more certain on him than on TW yet never brought him up other than this one post.

On April 10 2016 07:43 Gossemerr wrote:


Why would Art push you so hard if you are town and he is mafia? You flip town basically makes Art look super scum and leads to next day lynch on himself. 1 town for 1 mafia is not a trade the scum team would be willing to take.

On April 10 2016 07:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

This suggests I was certain on you being scum. I wasn't. I'm still not certain, as you would probably know if you read my case just now. I was less certain back then, and Fidei did something I thought was very scum indicative, especially since he rolled scum the game before.

"Everyone knows playing DotA 2 hours before deadline after hearing you just ended up playing a game game when you rolled scum the game before isn't alignment indicative, especially knowing Fidei hates playing scum!"
Yeah that makes sense.

On April 10 2016 07:46 Fidei86 wrote:
I want to say that I think in a perfect world we would lynch one of the many lurkers or LS (because LS is a coin-flip and I hate coin-flips late in game). But I can see the sense in choosing between GB and Artanis, not least because LS pushing Racer has me all sorts of concerned. So, yeah. Sorry GB.

##Vote: GlowingBear

On April 10 2016 07:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

So because I didn't have a straight-up reason to read you as town I should've lynched you? I can't lynch half the town at once honeybunny.

On April 10 2016 07:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Why is RB town?

On April 10 2016 07:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Bleh the only thing I didn't like about TW was the setting up of it always being TvS. If we're both town and he's scum that is an easy thing to push. Just dunno if scum would be so open about it if it was their plan to begin with.

Hasn't TW been mislynched a bunch already?

On April 10 2016 07:55 Damdred wrote:
Cared enough even though he a being lynched to give a shitty last will.

Tone wise even if his push kinda sucks it does show some thought. Is all over the thread in some regards hands in everything etc. From my skin at least

On April 10 2016 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I think I'm better at reading you than at TW though. I kinda caught you in the last scumgame we played but then let go of it :/

On April 13 2016 08:09 Shapelog wrote:

Night 3

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A shadowy man came from a closet, he had a shot gun in his hands. He pointed it to Art.

"Take this you motherfucking, lieing piece of knob"

---

The body of Art. laid on the ground, blood pouring from the wounded chest. The stranger eyed everyone else, and slowly walked back towards the closet. His foot reached the door, as he turned around, with a piece of people in his hand. For the first time, the group got a good look at his face. The man was young, maybe mid twenties, and had a scar running from his cheek from the left side to his mouth.

"Fix the past, Raze the Curse." He said, dropping the piece of paper. As he step into the closet and shut it behind him. When the group went to open the closet, the man was gone.

The read the paper out loud:

"Good, One Traitor down, and a step into the Right Direction! HAHA!

but your road is still long, all 3 must die before i reveal my secret. Yet....I am a nice person, in a twisted manner. therefore i will give you a present. Information.

The man that just enter the room was me. Who is me you ask? You will never know, or if you do, then congratulations. Time is hard to keep up with, so I can not predict if we will ever meet formally. I hold the secert to this house, or at least i should. So the deal is,

you help me, and I help you live. Fail, and we all die except them. Succeed, and I make it worth more than what he is giving.

Signed -XHIOHS
"

Artains[Xp], Dung Glatt, the mafia goon, Has been lynched!

Also a warning to Race Bannon has been issued due to failing to vote.

Morning is in

On April 16 2016 11:23 CHodge wrote:
I actually feel pretty good about my play considering my work schedule. A few things to note about this game:

Town:
1. You need to be active and productive. Most of D1 for over half the townies was literally the most unproductive shit ever. No player ever should be able to do very basic analysis and be instantly town read for it; especially when said analysis comes late in the day.
2. Posting/High Post Count =/= being active. The goal for town is to not give Scum room to hide. Artanis got to hide because he was doing very minimal things. Race was just posting random shit and no one was bothering to check him. DYH was just high activity.
3. Openings are important. In my experience, ~75% of scum are "caught" in the first 10 posts. Race and Artanis could easily have been lynched for their openings (for very different reasons); Race's townreads were really, really bad. Artanis was posting but basically worthless; he should've been the D2 lynch. A player who is as skilled as he is who isn't really trying to work with anyone else to get productive posts/lynches is scum.
4. Finding town is just (if not more) important than finding scum. Everyone had me as town on D1. The D1 lynch was culminating in a fuckfest of votes on random players. If you can't find a "good lynch" or a high scum flip, just vote with the player who's you're strongest townread. It's far more likely that whoever that person wants to lynch is scum than a random decision.
5. Town leaders who aren't leading and providing direction should be lynched. From what I saw, all the discussion basically focused around Artanis; by this I mean who he talked about, focused on, etc. But he literally spent zero time actively trying to push an effective agenda.
6. In a 3v2 LYLO when votes are 4:1 especially early on and everybody is staying on, you're lynching town. The last lynch was really bad.

Scum:
This game was basically a cake walk. After killing me it was just basically riding the D1 vote. Plus, Artanis basically filled the town leader role for you. However, you need to watch your early reads on people. Early townreads aren't necessarily a bad play, but you need those reads to be effective and defendable. Part of the reason why you should townread people is to help support allies (like Artanis and DYH), to buddy/pocket town players (to throw them off), or to help push a scumread on a townie.

Everyone:
1. You should ALWAYS have a reason for why you're posting what you're posting. If you're town, you should be trying to move the game forward. If you're scum, you should be holding the game back (somehow). Before you hit the button to post, ask your self "Is this post helping me meet my win condition?" If the answer is no, then change what you're writing or delete it.
2. Figure out your role in the game. By this I mean, do you need to be a follower or a leader. A team with all chieftans and no Indians will lose because there's no direction as the team is being drawn in too many directions. A team with all Indians and no chieftans will lose because there's never a direction anywhere. FYI, just because you're VT doesn't mean you're an indian. Just because your a role doesn't mean you're a chieftan.

On April 18 2016 01:49 boxerfred wrote:
GB you suck hard