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On March 09 2016 03:55 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:You bastard! You ruined the secret! I don't know about Vivax's reasons, but mine don't have anything to do with connection theories. He's got one summary post and two safe townreads. It just seems like exactly the type of posts scum at his level would make, in terms of content and quantity.
We played with scum tumble, hell I was with him.
When he started out (when i was mafia with him), he had big posts, Wot's, reads etc. on day 1.
His last scum game (Team), he replaced in and gave semi-big reads. after the Mk on you and me i stop really reading that game.
His town game(Devil) featured him doing more or less what he is doing here.
So, from a meta point, he should be town.
BUT, meta is not great to read tumble. He has been able to make his scum game look more like his town game (team vs XIX) and he is a newbie. Plus going off of the norm is not really that great to read many people.
Unless I am missing something, but i highly doubt it.
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On March 09 2016 04:19 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2016 03:55 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On March 09 2016 03:49 Shapelog wrote:
Oh my bad if it is..... You bastard! You ruined the secret! I don't know about Vivax's reasons, but mine don't have anything to do with connection theories. He's got one summary post and two safe townreads. It just seems like exactly the type of posts scum at his level would make, in terms of content and quantity. We played with scum tumble, hell I was with him. When he started out (when i was mafia with him), he had big posts, Wot's, reads etc. on day 1. His last scum game (Team), he replaced in and gave semi-big reads. after the Mk on you and me i stop really reading that game. His town game(Devil) featured him doing more or less what he is doing here. So, from a meta point, he should be town. BUT, meta is not great to read tumble. He has been able to make his scum game look more like his town game (team vs XIX) and he is a newbie. Plus going off of the norm is not really that great to read many people. Unless I am missing something, but i highly doubt it.
His first post was big.
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On March 09 2016 04:21 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2016 04:19 Shapelog wrote:On March 09 2016 03:55 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On March 09 2016 03:49 Shapelog wrote:
Oh my bad if it is..... You bastard! You ruined the secret! I don't know about Vivax's reasons, but mine don't have anything to do with connection theories. He's got one summary post and two safe townreads. It just seems like exactly the type of posts scum at his level would make, in terms of content and quantity. We played with scum tumble, hell I was with him. When he started out (when i was mafia with him), he had big posts, Wot's, reads etc. on day 1. His last scum game (Team), he replaced in and gave semi-big reads. after the Mk on you and me i stop really reading that game. His town game(Devil) featured him doing more or less what he is doing here. So, from a meta point, he should be town. BUT, meta is not great to read tumble. He has been able to make his scum game look more like his town game (team vs XIX) and he is a newbie. Plus going off of the norm is not really that great to read many people. Unless I am missing something, but i highly doubt it. His first post was big.
Sure, but it is not that much of a summary. Lets look at his D1 play as scum in Newbie (his only D1 play as scum) vs. here.
On March 08 2016 15:15 Tumblewood wrote:I feel like Shape's been kinda backed into a corner by kush, or at least he feels that way. How it went down: Kush flashed his badge at Shapelog. It read, "Private Investigator: Kush Mountains". "What do you know about the mafia?" he inquired.Shape didn't have much to say; he'd only been there twenty minutes, and he'd only seen three other people in his time. He thought of the most informative thing he had to say, which wasShow nested quote +On March 08 2016 08:17 Shapelog wrote:On March 08 2016 08:13 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
What does your science tell you so far, Shape? A few things, Vivax reported in yet has not done much. A course this is 15 mins into the game. And I have a experiment about the Time kushs will live in this game compared to their ban time. At every vote count, I shall note how long this subject lasts until if one VC kills him. Then time the time it takes for his ban to run out. It is a very scientific research i assure you. It wasn't much, and they both knew it. Kush followed up with some leading questions.Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 08:39 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Shape it's just that you said that he would most likely do that as scum. He didn't do that. So logically wouldn't that make him most likely town? Of course, there was no other way for Shape to answer but in the affirmative. They both knew that anyone could be a killer, and there was no sense in thinking someone good-willed from just one clue.Basically, Shape made an observation on virtually the only (little) information he had, and kush drew the conclusion from it and coerced him into making his own conclusion, which was "that's not enough" and labeled backtracking. It's not concerning to me.
On January 27 2016 11:30 Tumblewood wrote:Read over the thread, and these are my reads so far: Town: (none yet) Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien Scum: Shapelog My reasoning on Shapelog:Shapelog has acted generally like a newbie scum player all game. He started the game off with about five jokes and no content. Given that this is day 1, that's not too important. I'm not sure how to feel on the weird read toward nooniansong, because it doesn't necessarily feel scummy or townie, just poorly informed. But the posts that really strike me are: Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 06:41 Shapelog wrote:On January 27 2016 06:39 Onegu wrote:
But serious Shape trying to meta read kush(nooninsong) before he even posts is weird as fuck. I am not trying to read him lol. I am just saying there is something he does and as the day(s) goes on I will look for it, if it is absent, I will comment on it. Unless your scum team kills me, in which case i can just use it later on  . and Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 07:48 _MexicanAlien wrote:
So first shapelog suggests talking about blue roles, then he lists the reason for each blue role to not need help.
Very good reasons.
Even with tumble changing meta, do you think these are the same alignment?
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I will admit though. the use of [i] format that much is quite sus. Making everything into a "quote" is like the scummest thing you can do.
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On March 09 2016 03:35 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
koshi i don't get it.
yamato didn't have a case to push on that subject.
vivax's read of shape disagreed with geript's read of shape. So yamato was asking if that made geript read vivax in a certain way.
Why was he asking geript that?
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On March 09 2016 04:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2016 03:35 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
koshi i don't get it.
yamato didn't have a case to push on that subject.
vivax's read of shape disagreed with geript's read of shape. So yamato was asking if that made geript read vivax in a certain way. Why was he asking geript that?
to get a read of geript or to benefit from geript's insight?
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On March 09 2016 04:28 Shapelog wrote:
I will admit though. the use of [i] format that much is quite sus. Making everything into a "quote" is like the scummest thing you can do.
the italics were because he was doing a noir flavor thing
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On March 09 2016 04:34 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2016 04:28 Shapelog wrote:
I will admit though. the use of format that much is quite sus. Making everything into a "quote" is like the scummest thing you can do. the italics were because he was doing a noir flavor thing
Shapelog Stared at Kush, obviously angry with the fact that he missed his joke. Kush had a tendency with that. Hell not even last week, Shapelog made a joke about posting the conversion about The Cow (A notorious criminal) in the thread. Kush, Angry beyond the stars, took it too literary and ended up in the slammers. Now here we are again, in a never ending tunnel of misinterpretations and sadness.
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f5ing waiting for geripts replies.
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On March 09 2016 04:31 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2016 04:30 Koshi wrote:On March 09 2016 03:35 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
koshi i don't get it.
yamato didn't have a case to push on that subject.
vivax's read of shape disagreed with geript's read of shape. So yamato was asking if that made geript read vivax in a certain way. Why was he asking geript that? to get a read of geript or to benefit from geript's insight?
At some point I believe somebody should try to convince his townreads on his scumreads. In that quote the second paragraph yamato again flips his read on geript for no reason at all or for sure tries to annoy him calling him mafia.
yamato reads geript as town
yamato makes a good point on Vivax
yamato asks geripts read on Vivax while calling geript mafia because he looks like a teenager etcetc.
Doesn't make much sense to me.
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And it's not a good point on Vivax btw. It's a really ambitious read that could be true.
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On March 08 2016 16:18 geript wrote:He might be town. Unlike Slam.
This is cute and such old meta. Go read Saitamaofonepunch and catch up for the chupazic way.
And check that game where I was exactly like this and Marv lynches me and rayn goes apeshit because he thinks I was purposely trying to break my meta instead of busy with tutoring
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On March 08 2016 14:24 geript wrote:
Skimmed through. Stopped to eat. Shape's biggest explanation of a non-read is really fucking odd. I'll figure that shit out later. Slam isn't trolling. He's not trolling all wrong too. There's a distinct lack of Slam town fun. So just lynch him and after that idk.
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On March 08 2016 16:25 yamato77 wrote:
Also, I don't understand how geript wants to lynch slam for what he's posted, nor would I give Shapelog a pass for being a noob. Shapelog's posts aren't bad necessarily, but they don't give off a newb vibe. They seem comfortable.
Vivax is the much more notable poster in the first few pages IMO and it's odd that all geript has to say about it is that he's a dick. All of that said, I don't really have a scumread on geript, I just disagree with him, as I expected to.
Kush being overly aggressive is whatever. Mild townread.
Tumble's first post is creative at least. If he's a new player I wouldn't expect that sort of effort as mafia but that's a highly conditional read.
You've just played with my newer style more recently.
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On March 09 2016 02:07 Koshi wrote:Sadly I already made something and I don't want to delete it because it is pure brilliance. And because I was a bit mean to Rels last game and his VE read when I entered the thread. Therefore I will correct his yamato read and explain it. + Show Spoiler +On March 08 2016 16:16 yamato77 wrote:
I want to lynch Vivax.
Unsurprisingly. On March 08 2016 16:25 yamato77 wrote:
Also, I don't understand how geript wants to lynch slam for what he's posted, nor would I give Shapelog a pass for being a noob. Shapelog's posts aren't bad necessarily, but they don't give off a newb vibe. They seem comfortable.
Vivax is the much more notable poster in the first few pages IMO and it's odd that all geript has to say about it is that he's a dick. All of that said, I don't really have a scumread on geript, I just disagree with him, as I expected to.
Kush being overly aggressive is whatever. Mild townread.
Tumble's first post is creative at least. If he's a new player I wouldn't expect that sort of effort as mafia but that's a highly conditional read. . 1) The geript read + how he involves alakaslam,shape and Vivax. It just doesn't do it for me. Why is geript mafia for wanting to lynch alakslam? Why is geript mafia for thinking shape is newb town? Why is geript mafia for saying Vivax is a dick? geript explained his Shape read pretty clearly. I don't understand where yamato his confusion comes from. I also don't understand why yamato adds his own opinion of Shape in his geript segment, but fails to explain why it makes geript mafia. The entire paragraph just doesn't make sense from town perspective who is figuring out geript. Because Yamato isn't figuring out geript at all, he is correcting/doubting things geript said and then implies geript is wrong and therefore mafia. Or at least that is how this entire segment feels like. Because he doesn't really conclude anything on geript in the end. It's an open ending that we can fill in. 2) I don't see the connection between his opening post about lynching Vivax and the follow up in the geript segment. It could be that yamato his opening post is stating/complaining about the fact Vivax is offtopic as fuck. He confronts Vivax about that later again but without trying to solve the game or do anything. It's so meek. What is this read? + Show Spoiler +Vivax is the much more notable poster in the first few pages IMO and it's odd that all geript has to say about it is that he's a dick. All of that said, I don't really have a scumread on geript, I just disagree with him, as I expected to. 3) I get the feeling that the Kush read and the Tumble read are "correct" reads mafia gives. Simple structured reads based on TMI but throwaway. Mafia yamato knows these 2 are town and then finds a reason to call them town. It is the same for the Shape read within the geript read btw. These reads feel like coming from mafia. Or really good town being in the zone but then I wonder what the fuck the geript/vivax vomitting was all about.
I think town yamato would have approached this entirely different, a town yamato would be able to express and structure himself a lot clearer in his first read post. Figure out players individually and not inappropriate mix in geript in every read. Yamato his reads just don't seem to be coming from a townie trying to solve the game. I feel it is a mafia giving reads through discrediting somebody else his reads. I can't explain it. Just doesn't look town. ##vote Yamatosome tinfoil: I was wondering why yamato is so focussed on geript. It doesn't feel natural yamato starts his read post by reading geript giving reads on 3 other people. Discrediting geript? Scumbuddies? Tilting geript? I don't know. Might have something to do with Slam but maybe completely not.
I clearly said geript wasn't mafia for what I was pointing out you imbecile.
You wrote more about my reads than I did. You're reaching. This post is horrid.
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On March 08 2016 15:15 Tumblewood wrote:I feel like Shape's been kinda backed into a corner by kush, or at least he feels that way. How it went down: Kush flashed his badge at Shapelog. It read, "Private Investigator: Kush Mountains". "What do you know about the mafia?" he inquired.Shape didn't have much to say; he'd only been there twenty minutes, and he'd only seen three other people in his time. He thought of the most informative thing he had to say, which wasShow nested quote +On March 08 2016 08:17 Shapelog wrote:On March 08 2016 08:13 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
What does your science tell you so far, Shape? A few things, Vivax reported in yet has not done much. A course this is 15 mins into the game. And I have a experiment about the Time kushs will live in this game compared to their ban time. At every vote count, I shall note how long this subject lasts until if one VC kills him. Then time the time it takes for his ban to run out. It is a very scientific research i assure you. It wasn't much, and they both knew it. Kush followed up with some leading questions.Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 08:39 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Shape it's just that you said that he would most likely do that as scum. He didn't do that. So logically wouldn't that make him most likely town? Of course, there was no other way for Shape to answer but in the affirmative. They both knew that anyone could be a killer, and there was no sense in thinking someone good-willed from just one clue.Basically, Shape made an observation on virtually the only (little) information he had, and kush drew the conclusion from it and coerced him into making his own conclusion, which was "that's not enough" and labeled backtracking. It's not concerning to me.
This is 100% the case and everyone who was open to knowing this already did
*clap*
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So that still works.
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On March 09 2016 02:11 Koshi wrote:
I just need yamato or somebody else to tell me why yamato feels the need to explain a Vivax, Shape and slam read through geript who he doesn't even scumread.
So I can interact with geript about his reads.
See how I got him to comment more on all of them?
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On March 09 2016 02:44 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2016 02:33 Shapelog wrote:On March 09 2016 02:20 Koshiusis wrote:
Anyway mafia is within this:
yamato77
Vobby
Alakaslam
Rels
very maybe geript but not really. Other than Yamato and Slam (understand where you got these) and Geript(because it seems like you are not sure). May I ask why you place Rels and Vobby here? rels looks town but I want to be cautious. Vivax hasn't done anything townie, he could easily be mafia. And he could be very easily be mafia with yamato. Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 16:46 yamato77 wrote:On March 08 2016 16:36 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2016 16:29 yamato77 wrote:On March 08 2016 16:27 Vivax wrote:
most interesting thing so far is surely shape mentioning my post and following disappearance without any intent of giving it weight in reading me, so it just looks like he put it there just to put something out there in an urge to look active.
otherwise theres not much worth mentioning, except that im less lazy than my new meta d1 standard. Considering this is the only post with any sort of substance you've had, I find it hard to believe you've sunk your standards of play lower than this. I disagree. His posting does not look nervous like he feels pressure. This post does, though, which is funny. for estimated 6 months jat has been bugging me about me intentionally making my D1 shittastic, not my fault if you dont follow whats happening on the forum and in qts So I'm just supposed to take that at face value? No thank you. No one gets metagame passes just because they want to be lazy as mafia. On March 08 2016 16:36 geript wrote:On March 08 2016 16:25 yamato77 wrote:
Also, I don't understand how geript wants to lynch slam for what he's posted, nor would I give Shapelog a pass for being a noob. Shapelog's posts aren't bad necessarily, but they don't give off a newb vibe. They seem comfortable. Not giving Shape a pass for being a noob. Besides, people never understand how I read Slam or most anyone. But I'm always right. I would've figured you would've learned by now.
You clearly did give him a pass, but that's not really relevant, I don't actually think he's mafia. But Vivax apparently does, what do you think about that?The false bravado in the accuracy of your reads does nothing to make you more trustworthy in my eyes. "No one understands my reads!" is the mafia equivalent of a teenager yelling at their parents because they don't have the latest iPhone. The bolded is only explainable if yamato is figuring out geript by asking him about his scumbuddy Vivax. Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 16:29 yamato77 wrote:On March 08 2016 16:27 Vivax wrote:
most interesting thing so far is surely shape mentioning my post and following disappearance without any intent of giving it weight in reading me, so it just looks like he put it there just to put something out there in an urge to look active.
otherwise theres not much worth mentioning, except that im less lazy than my new meta d1 standard. Considering this is the only post with any sort of substance you've had, I find it hard to believe you've sunk your standards of play lower than this. I disagree. His posting does not look nervous like he feels pressure. This post does, though, which is funny. The above is a good post by yamato (if Vviax is mafia) but for this reason I can see it be scum on scum. Not that yamato is not a good player and capable of making such a read town on mafia. But I don't know. yamato/Vivax.. I need to see more of those 2.
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I guess I'm ignoring Koshi the rest of this game.
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On March 08 2016 17:12 geript wrote:
So basically when Slam is town, he has no clue what he's doing. He tries to have fun while doing something. He tries to play for his fun and others. He tries to get in on jokes. When he breaks to make a serious point, his thoughts meander. It's like he's posting high and there's the roundabout thought hidden between the jokes. When he's mafia, he tries to mimic that shit entirely. But instead of getting the meandering around, it's broken up separately. He focuses mostly on doing on thing at a time instead of just letting him his thoughts lead him wherever his mind goes.
So therefore between him not trolling (aka playing to have fun) and not trolling wrong (consistency between points of posts), he's scum.
This used to be true. Read the smurf game.
Trying to catch up and really tired of dealing with this shit in multiple games now, thought I had created this hill... has it really been that long?
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